NetEnt has joined the the group of providers offering different RTP settings

[Harry_BKK]

Left is logged out, right after log-in.

 

[Slottery]

Always said the rewards where massively overrated.
That’s frankly a piss take.
Can’t you play at L and L? I get 10% back of losses.

Out of option, it's impossible to win as they run all their games with highest RTP available

 

[pinnit2014]

Left is logged out, right after log-in.

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Makes it simple then; only play when you’re logged in to keep the old weekend booster

 

[Lemon]

This is a strange one because I got a mate of mine to join VS a few weeks back and his weekend booster was this supposed new one, where you can cash out at any time. I didn't know what he was talking about until he sent me a pic. I just assumed it was different because he was doing bonus wagering or something. Mine's still the old one - up to £300 a day.

What in the name of fuck is this 'Save to your Vault' horseshit? How are they supposed to retain some of your winnings? Do they just pinch a few pence off your wins in-play from time to time? I'm fucking gobsmacked.

 

[CasinoNinja]

Been this for months as far as I know, after they removed the booster rewards from the wheels maybe?

 

[colinsunderland]

I struggle to understand how L&L can give 10% of losses back, if the house edge is roughly 5.5%, then payment fees etc, how can they give 10% back without making a loss?
I understand how a 100% bonus is different as most people bust out, but the 10% is cash and withdrawable.

 

[CasinoNinja]

And yes, they take 0.5% of your winnings, you can see that when you are winning something and not the entire winnings is added to your balance

 

[Harry_BKK]

And yes, they take 0.5% of your winnings, you can see that when you are winning something and not the entire winnings is added to your balance

Is that legal, would be my first question? Especially, without informing you properly before you start to play. Because they do not credit you the full win which is rightly yours. What part of their T&Cs, regulations or laws covers that????

I am truly gobsmacked TBH. This is the biggest pile of horseshite I have ever seen in over 2 decades of playing online.

 

[Lemon]

And yes, they take 0.5% of your winnings, you can see that when you are winning something and not the entire winnings is added to your balance

Well fuck me. I'm stunned. How come mine is still the old one though? I'm UK-based...
Also, the Bandit still has the old one too (as I'm sure do many other players...). Maybe if you joined before the change, they have to keep it like that, but new members have this other pile of shit instead?

 

[Playford7]

This is a strange one because I got a mate of mine to join VS a few weeks back and his weekend booster was this supposed new one, where you can cash out at any time. I didn't know what he was talking about until he sent me a pic. I just assumed it was different because he was doing bonus wagering or something. Mine's still the old one - up to £300 a day.

What in the name of fuck is this 'Save to your Vault' horseshit? How are they supposed to retain some of your winnings? Do they just pinch a few pence off your wins in-play from time to time? I'm fucking gobsmacked.

Tell it as it is! Love anything like that

 

[Harry_BKK]

I struggle to understand how L&L can give 10% of losses back, if the house edge is roughly 5.5%, then payment fees etc, how can they give 10% back without making a loss?
I understand how a 100% bonus is different as most people bust out, but the 10% is cash and withdrawable.

You calculate that wrongly. Let's say you deposited 100 and wagered 1,000 with that. At 4% house edge that is 40 for the casino. They give you 10 as cashback, still got 30 in revenue.

 

[Playford7]

I struggle to understand how L&L can give 10% of losses back, if the house edge is roughly 5.5%, then payment fees etc, how can they give 10% back without making a loss?
I understand how a 100% bonus is different as most people bust out, but the 10% is cash and withdrawable.

I got a ton withdrawal the other nite off it playing that explosito ex something 2.
It’s water free also. Can’t fault it.

 

[Playford7]

You calculate that wrongly. Let's say you deposited 100 and wagered 1,000 with that. At 4% that is 40 for the casino. They give you 10 as cashback, still got 30 in revenue.

It’s not on your wagering, only deposited amount harry. If you withdraw also it’s cancelled.

 

[Harry_BKK]

It’s not on your wagering, only deposited amount harry. If you withdraw also it’s cancelled.

Yes, I understand. I was responding to Colin's post how a 4% house-edge can be OK for a 10% cashback.

 

[colinsunderland]

You calculate that wrongly. Let's say you deposited 100 and wagered 1,000 with that. At 4% house edge that is 40 for the casino. They give you 10 as cashback, still got 30 in revenue.

Yes, I posted quickly as making tea Still, you have casinos crying poverty due to the tiny profit they make, but you get some who give loads back, like when Novibet gave me £41 cash after a £50 deposit/loss.

 

[Playford7]

Yes, I understand. I was responding to Colin's post how a 4% house-edge can be OK for a 10% cashback.

No problemo

 

[bowki]

So Netent offers now different RTPs, Unibet runs some of them on 98% as a promotion, VS took the first chance to lower the RTP where possible and don't informed anyone about it. And as a bonus they silently got rid of the Weekend Booster, but not for everyone.

Maybe we should have different threads for these important changes?

 

[dunover]

They can try to sweet-talk all they want about being fair and keeping their reputation.
They have already slithered down the greedy abyss from wich there is no return.

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Netent are simply, like any credible business, producing that which their customers demand. This shift by casinos toward lower RTP slots is simply a reflection of the times i.e. high taxation, very low margins and the high cost of attracting players via bonuses and affiliates. Before the word 'affiliates' is jumped upon, they are the most cost-effective and efficient way of getting new players especially compared to media advertising and Google clicks. Without them, many casinos would not offer bonuses at all or simply fold.

 

[Kroffe]

Netent are simply, like any credible business, producing that which their customers demand. This shift by casinos toward lower RTP slots is simply a reflection of the times i.e. high taxation, very low margins and the high cost of attracting players via bonuses and affiliates. Before the word 'affiliates' is jumped upon, they are the most cost-effective and efficient way of getting new player especially compared to media advertising and Google clicks.

You think a casino not offering PnG, Netent, red tiger, pragmatic etc would get alot of players?
Providers choose to offer the lower versions, they dont have to.

 

[DreamRJ]

But majority of casinos now no longer do that many promos and when they do send the odd promo email or spend money marketing on a new promo via affiliates, it is usually really bad ones like deposit X for a 10% or 25% match bonus or 10 spins on a 10p slot with what ever WR that particular casino has in place!

It is a sad state of affairs though that casinos cut cut cut, and stop running promos, remove loyalty programs and still then have to resort to reducing the RTP's of the slots they have available. I mean I totally understand casinos need to make money, but they still have a duty to look after their loyal players, keep fleecing them time and time again by more and more each time and turn just drives players away.

Eventually every casino will be the same with no promos, reduced RTP, More strict rules, delaying withdraws etc etc.... Soon there will be no casinos we can switch too when the casino we play at decides to follow suit.

I really do miss the good old days of 5 years ago, when pretty much every casino valued us as customers and we got inundated with emails and promos pretty much daily. Those days have gone. Just a total shame.

 

[Playford7]

Only casinos I’ve had the odd match offer this month have been the white hat lot.
I’m expecting a ban tbh as withdrew a fair amount from small deposits.
The so called big hitters I’ve not even had a 40% match offer from.
Not even 10 free on starburst.
Is this due to taxation and the like or the fact they don’t want to be encouraging slot play in light of the pandemic?

 

[geordiecolin]

wow, loyalty well rewarded at Videoslots then

So from the list posted earlier

- weekend booster - we keep some of your money and give it back later
- battles - you have to wager a lot for and get 5 x 10p spins if you're lucky
- free spins - ? I never had those when I was playing there, must be a new thing
- fortune wheels - which you have to wager a fortune for, especially level 20-21
- wager free - not unique nowadays

Not only are the battle game values reduced to mostly 10p unless its for a share of £500 or a 30/60 battle ticket but the chances of gaining a position has at the very least 60% less than a few years ago.
Very often we would see 300-400 play in some battles each day. Now it can be up to about 2500 playing. On average the numbers playing has at the very least doubled.
Completing a battle with 140% rtp will not guarrantee you even 5 spins these days where as 100% used to at least guarantee you a few spins.
But Videoslots must have concluded that they can get away with it because they continue to grow

 

[Playford7]

Not only are the battle game values reduced to mostly 10p unless its for a share of £500 or a 30/60 battle ticket but the chances of gaining a position has at the very least 60% less than a few years ago.
Very often we would see 300-400 play in some battles each day. Now it can be up to about 2500 playing. On average the numbers playing has at the very least doubled.
Completing a battle with 140% rtp these days will not guarrantee you even 5 spins these days where as 100% used to more at least guarantee you a few spins.
But Videoslots must have concluded that they can get away with it because they continue to grow

Them 10p battles are a insult.
Never played at VS much as thought the rewards where massively overrated, when I did and qualified for the battles 5 free on some 10p game was a joke after the amount spent and wagered.
Don’t get me wrong great casino in terms of paying you, but the rewards are meh and the RTP issue makes them personally massively overrated.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Not only are the battle game values reduced to mostly 10p unless its for a share of £500 or a 30/60 battle ticket but the chances of gaining a position has at the very least 60% less than a few years ago.
Very often we would see 300-400 play in some battles each day. Now it can be up to about 2500 playing. On average the numbers playing has at the very least doubled.
Completing a battle with 140% rtp these days will not guarrantee you even 5 spins these days where as 100% used to more at least guarantee you a few spins.
But Videoslots must have concluded that they can get away with it because they continue to grow

They continue to grow, and that pretty fast as it seems.

I posted this earlier. Compared by the number of spins and amounts wagered on some of the most popular games, e.g. BOD, Bonanza etc.... they are in the top spot and have about double than the next casino in the ranking. Huge difference, surprised me that it was that much more.

Getting 5FS from a battle which then pay f*** all most of the time feels like winning the lottery nowadays.

 

[geordiecolin]

Them 10p battles are a insult.
Never played at VS much as thought the rewards where massively overrated, when I did and qualified for the battles 5 free on some 10p game was a joke after the amount spent and wagered.
Don’t get me wrong great casino in terms of paying you, but the rewards are meh and the RTP issue makes them personally massively overrated.

Over the past few years they have gone from being the gold standard of the casino world to being just another trusted site. It is only due to loyalty that I stick with them but these constant stealth changes make me want a divorce