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Question Play 'n GO controversial RTP settings

Discussion in 'Slots Discussion' started by slots-guide, Feb 16, 2018.

    Feb 16, 2018
  1. slots-guide

    slots-guide Banned User

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    I am just wondering why nobody is talking about this major controversy? Or did I miss a thread somewhere else?

    If it hasn't been brought up yet then I'm talking about the fact their slots have 4 or 5 different RTP values at different casinos. Take Book of Dead for example:

    Leo Vegas / Redbet / Green and loads more casinos "The RTP is 96.21%."

    Cruise / Sloty and a fair few casinos "The RTP is 94.25%."

    Cashmio / Rizk / GUTS and all the MTST (and the Direx NV group) group and more = the RTP has been removed from their help files, rumour has it there is an 89% RTP version of PnG slots and these MT Secure casinos seem to play terribly compared to ones stating the higher RTP. They used to run the 94% version before switching to the hidden RTP versions. One has to assume they are taking the lowest version?

    This also applies to UK players who also are forced to the Curacao servers for their (MTST) Play n Go slots (you can check this in the address the games load under). And considering the UKGC rules regarding transparency of RTP listings and also taking into account Cashmio on one part of their website stated 96.21% when they were in fact using the 94.25% version... this all seems a liittle fishy to me.

    Perhaps an expert like @dunover or @Casinomeister can confirm a few things? (Feel free to merge or delete if this is old news).
     
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2018
  2. Feb 16, 2018
  3. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    Yes, this has come up before and I contacted Petter at PNG who confirmed the PNG slots can be operator-set for various markets, unlike most developers except RTG. This is OK as long as the game has the correct RTP stated in its rules, which they should have as PNG set them up this way.

    P.S. You're right and that is BANG OUT OF ORDER! I've just checked Rizk for example and usually you press the '?' on PNG slots for the info which will have RTP % at the bottom and this appears to have been cut out or truncated. Naughty, naughty, very very naughty! :mad:

    Go to my page here:
    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    Which has all the 'factory' RTP figures (maximum) for PNG slots. Then compare this figure with your casino, if they are not concealing it.
     
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  4. Feb 16, 2018
  5. bebo67

    bebo67 Meister Member MM PABnonaccred

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    I e-mailed Play N Go about this maybe a month ago? I also went to Dan and made him aware of the changes, he said he was going to contact them. I don't know what the hell is going on with them ( playngo) , but since they got rid of flash its been a noticeable discrepancy in plays.
     
  6. Feb 16, 2018
  7. bebo67

    bebo67 Meister Member MM PABnonaccred

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    I was told the same when they replied back, but seriously, its so many dead spins in a row and then maybe a dollar over bet amount, then repeat.
     
  8. Feb 16, 2018
  9. BillyBonanza

    BillyBonanza Experienced Member webby

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    I looked at slotsmillion ? and it doesnt seem to be listed either
     
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  10. Feb 16, 2018
  11. slots-guide

    slots-guide Banned User

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    Thanks Dunover. Well I guess even if it has been mentioned before it doesn't do any harm to highlight it again for anyone who missed the discussion before. Definitely avoid playing anywhere the PnG slots are not showing the default (higher) RTP's.
     
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  12. Feb 16, 2018
  13. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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  14. Feb 16, 2018
  15. bebo67

    bebo67 Meister Member MM PABnonaccred

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    I just checked Gemix @ VS and Crazy Vegas. VS has it set at 96.75rtp, and Crazy Vegas doesnt show, but oddly enough, I have a better play at Crazy Vegas. :confused:
     
  16. Feb 18, 2018
  17. trancemonkey

    trancemonkey Meister Member

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    If they are not displaying the RTP to the players then they are in breach of the UKGC guidelines and you should report the fact to the rep here. If they fail to correct this I would report them to the UKGC.
     
  18. Feb 18, 2018
  19. colinsunderland

    colinsunderland Experienced Member MM webmeister

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    I was just going to post that before I got to the end of the thread. :)
     
  20. Feb 18, 2018
  21. colinsunderland

    colinsunderland Experienced Member MM webmeister

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    I just checked it on Rizk and its in the help files as 96.21?
     
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  22. Feb 18, 2018
  23. brianmon

    brianmon Meister Member webby mm4

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    Well, show me a Microgaming paytable or help file, or anything else which is 'attached; to the game, which shows the RTP.
    Even though it was reported to the UKGC, almost 2 years ago
     
  24. Feb 18, 2018
  25. trancemonkey

    trancemonkey Meister Member

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    The RTS (Remote Technical Standards) requirement 3C of the Remote gambling and software technical standards June 2017 states:

    RTS requirement 3C For each virtual event, game (including bingo), or lottery, information that may reasonably be expected to enable the customer to make an informed decision about his or her chances of winning must be easily available before the customer commits to gamble. Information must include: i. a description of the way the game works and the way in which winners are determined and prizes allocated ii. house edge (or margin) iii. the return to player (RTP) percentage or iv. the probability (likelihood) of winning events occurring.

    I've just checked Immortal Romance on @TradaCasino and i can't find any of this information anywhere, so i've PM'd them and asked for it :)
     
  26. Feb 18, 2018
  27. Captain Rizk

    Captain Rizk Accredited Casino Representative

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    Many providers offer a range of RTP's for their games (take IGT for example) as a matter of course we take the highest available RTP's. In fact as a matter of policy we aim not to add ANY games to the Rizk site with an RTP lower than 95%.

    The help files are provided as part of the games solution by the Game provider, I will check all the help files from PnG this week and if the RTP is missing then i will speak to PnG and ensure that it is available.
     
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  28. Feb 18, 2018
  29. budskap

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    Trada links to this in the bonus terms:

    You must register/login in order to see the link.
     
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  30. Feb 18, 2018
  31. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    I have reviewed many PNG games and the RTP is always in the info under the '?' button. It wasn't when I checked. I would imagine Rizk would have the factory RTP anyway.
     
  32. Feb 18, 2018
  33. Captain Rizk

    Captain Rizk Accredited Casino Representative

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    Which slot in particular Dunover? I can find the RTP in the help files of the ones that i have checked - they do have a pretty big back catalogue so if you can narrow it down for me, that would help
     
  34. Feb 18, 2018
  35. SlotGrinder

    SlotGrinder Senior Member

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    Even with rtp in small numbers in the info it's still a disgusting practise . These games are a "well known brand" effectively so it's like buying a familiar product and actually receiving an inferior product . And the worst of it is most people would never know since they'd assume the game was the same as they had experienced at other casinos . Like buyin jaffa cakes from poundland and later realising you only get 10 in a pack rather than 12 (wasn't there a thread about this somewhere haha)
     
  36. Feb 18, 2018
  37. smart_croatia

    smart_croatia Full Member

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    yesterday on twitch someone sad that PNG (casino) that operates under Curacao license can set rtp under 90%, he even ask live chat and got confirmation weird... i forgot name of the casino
     
  38. Feb 18, 2018
  39. orion

    orion Experienced Member PABnonaccred

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    Thank you Captain.
    So far, if memory serves, I read here on CM forum about this "offer" of different ranges of RTPs with the following providers:
    - RTG
    - Play'n'Go
    - ITG

    Is it possible to know which other providers are offering their games this way ?
     

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