More MGS cheating

[Nifty29]

Yup 4 of a kind is right....there is something fishy about these MG tourneys. Its amazing how many times you see the same names in the top 10 where all the money is. I know there are only about 600 players each week, but you would expect a decent spread wouldnt ya??

Im floored by that GP story Did you really send money to the reps to get your cashouts quick?? Wow. You know, it says something about the professionalism of the casino staff and management that they would allow you to do that. I couldnt see Pat at 32Red or Enzo at 3Dice allowing their employees to take cash from players as appreciation for 'favors to come'. Along with you 'winning' those 'random' draws.....its no wonder they are rogue these days, as that in itself if disgraceful behaviour. Imagine all the players out there thinking they really had a chance! (none of it is your fault of course....I doubt any of us would have said 'no')

DogBoy a friend of this forum won't even talk

In fairness to the mutt man.....I think its a case of 'cant' rather than 'wont'. Considering he reveals everything he can under normal circumstances (which is more than RTG or MG or Rival themselves do) Im certain he would tell if he was able.

 

[4 of a kind]

Im floored by that GP story Did you really send money to the reps to get your cashouts quick?? Wow. You know, it says something about the professionalism of the casino staff and management that they would allow you to do that.

Yes I did... Things have changed since then, but I would still bet if you made the right connections today online money still buys favors. Sort of like walking into a 4 star overbooked restaurant without reservations. Take care of the right person and your dining ahead of the line with a window and water view...

 

[pmhcfc]

What if these are just simply house players put into place so that MGS only has to pay out as little as possible?

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Well, if it's good enough for a certain other casino then it'll be good enough for MG.

 

[Mavin1]

I myself have played in many tournaments over the years, but have never once paid for it. I will only play the freebie tourney and then forget it. Don't even know why I bother doing that.
My reasoning is that no matter what casino platform I have entered tourneys, right off there are these few players that have a gazillion points on games you know are pretty much impossible to make a fraction of a gazillion. So I knew the whole thing was already set against the real player and I feel that with all tourney's, either you are already defeated before you enter or you have to be willing and able to buy your way to the top prize and having done that I can't help but wonder what was this persons motive if they have bought the prize?
But here is a vary recognized form of "Cheating" as you say, by casinos and yet people think it can't be possible for there to be line win payout cuts by these very same casinos, kind of contradictory don't you think.

 

[bernynhel]

Nothing what so ever at all to do with how much of a high roller I use to be. How else would you expect me to explain this particular incident that actually took place without details in an attempt to point out what could be done online. I certainly never made a single post attempting to impress anyone here ever about my finances, past or present. Why would you want to take my point out of context and suggest I have a need to blow my own horn? I'm a little to old for that childish nonsense. I would have to assume based on your ridicules comment you are not. Judging by your post above it might appear that your more concerned about a topic of this type.

Most people here are capable of grasping a serious point when presented with true hard facts of what could actually be done online. It has become obvious with this tournament format that it's not a fair game.

Unfortunately it's the posters like yourself, regardless how many times something is brought to your attention that just seem to never catch on. Instead you would prefer to carry on about it day after day trying to figure out how it's being done. You of all posters should know by now that nothing will be addressed. Maybe when it comes to these topics you should spend your posting time warning players and pointing out to them to avoid playing tournaments. Similar to warning players about rogue casinos.

Maybe it's time you recognize and respect the power that comes with possessing anonymity in cyberspace, especially when it comes to gambling, and proceed with much more caution then you believe is necessary.

I'm clowning you. Not mad at you. LOL

That said, I thought I had warned players, in multiple, previous posts, when I explained that the relatively, recent change in MG's tournament registration process, implemented only weeks ago after years of site-wide single "playername" recognition, promotes players registering multiple "playernames". Yet, as is evident by subsequent posts, some continue to post as if I hadn't.

 

[bernynhel]

I myself have played in many tournaments over the years, but have never once paid for it. I will only play the freebie tourney and then forget it. Don't even know why I bother doing that.
My reasoning is that no matter what casino platform I have entered tourneys, right off there are these few players that have a gazillion points on games you know are pretty much impossible to make a fraction of a gazillion. So I knew the whole thing was already set against the real player and I feel that with all tourney's, either you are already defeated before you enter or you have to be willing and able to buy your way to the top prize and having done that I can't help but wonder what was this persons motive if they have bought the prize?
But here is a vary recognized form of "Cheating" as you say, by casinos and yet people think it can't be possible for there to be line win payout cuts by these very same casinos, kind of contradictory don't you think.

Well, even before the MG changes I mentioned previously, the number of rebuys and continues offered, often numbering 500 and more, have always been displayed and should have made it obvious to "freerollers" how futile their chances were to register and win without a purchase. This same fact should have, also, made it obvious that these tournaments were being offered for profit. That certain players have often prevailed in these tournaments, repeatedly, merely points to those player's willingness to take up the casinos offers, repeatedly, at a rate far higher than players who have not prevailed. With the recent advent of multiple "playernames" these same players may now prevail in multiple places in the "money" to whatever point the market will bear.

 

[Mavin1]

Well, even before the MG changes I mentioned previously, the number of rebuys and continues offered, often numbering 500 and more, have always been displayed and should have made it obvious to "freerollers" how futile their chances were to register and win without a purchase. This same fact should have, also, made it obvious that these tournaments were being offered for profit. That certain players have often prevailed in these tournaments, repeatedly, merely points to those player's willingness to take up the casinos offers, repeatedly, at a rate far higher than players who have not prevailed. With the recent advent of multiple "playernames" these same players may now prevail in multiple places in the "money" to whatever point the market will bear.

Nothing like a Mega-Monopoly!

 

[vinylweatherman]

Well, even before the MG changes I mentioned previously, the number of rebuys and continues offered, often numbering 500 and more, have always been displayed and should have made it obvious to "freerollers" how futile their chances were to register and win without a purchase. This same fact should have, also, made it obvious that these tournaments were being offered for profit. That certain players have often prevailed in these tournaments, repeatedly, merely points to those player's willingness to take up the casinos offers, repeatedly, at a rate far higher than players who have not prevailed. With the recent advent of multiple "playernames" these same players may now prevail in multiple places in the "money" to whatever point the market will bear.

This is the CRUCIAL point. Feeling about this seems to show this point may have been reached, with an almost unanimous feeling that merely doing what MGS have now allowed is cheating. Where players are choosing similar playernames, they make it so VERY OBVIOUS what is happening, for which we should be THANKING them. Now that the effect this change has had is being seen (a minority of players being able to monopolise the high paying positions by throwing money at the event), it will convince the majority of players that they have little chance of being in the money unless they also use similar tactics. They may decide to give up instead, and the growth in tournament revenue will go into reverse, because those players currently monopolising the prizes will continue to do so, but it will cost them less because of FEWER recreational players prepared to take a punt with their single alias.
This may eventually make MGS see sense, and return to the one alias across the network rule.

 

[De Beuker]

Ok, so the fact that someone plays the same tourney with multiple aliases can be explained because he playes the same tourney at different casino's.
The 20.000 weekender is ofcourse a network wide tourney, didn't think of that, sorry.
But I still find it very odd that the same player ends in first AND second place.
Ofcourse, it is possible, but very unlikely!
Its in fact very similar to what happened at Nedplay, and that was definately fraud, because those 30+ aliases have been removed.
That player also won each and every tourney with insane high scores.
I still believe there's more to this.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Ok, so the fact that someone plays the same tourney with multiple aliases can be explained because he playes the same tourney at different casino's.
The 20.000 weekender is ofcourse a network wide tourney, didn't think of that, sorry.
But I still find it very odd that the same player ends in first AND second place.
Ofcourse, it is possible, but very unlikely!
Its in fact very similar to what happened at Nedplay, and that was definately fraud, because those 30+ aliases have been removed.
That player also won each and every tourney with insane high scores.I still believe there's more to this.

This is a bigger worry, if they have found some way to GUARANTEE winning a tournament, then there is a big problem. The most obvious cheat would be "unlimited continues" where players were supposed to have only a fixed number. being able to circumvent the continues counter in the software would enable a cheat to buy their way to a guaranteed first price, and with limited outlay. Unlimited rebuys using multiple aliases would give many attempts, but could NEVER guarantee that one or more of these attempts would land them the top placings. Although they could effectively buy their way to the top by taking a very large number of rebuys, it would very likely cost them more than the prize money they were winning, hence no MOTIVE to cheat in this manner.

 

[bernynhel]

This is the CRUCIAL point. Feeling about this seems to show this point may have been reached, with an almost unanimous feeling that merely doing what MGS have now allowed is cheating. Where players are choosing similar playernames, they make it so VERY OBVIOUS what is happening, for which we should be THANKING them. Now that the effect this change has had is being seen (a minority of players being able to monopolise the high paying positions by throwing money at the event), it will convince the majority of players that they have little chance of being in the money unless they also use similar tactics. They may decide to give up instead, and the growth in tournament revenue will go into reverse, because those players currently monopolising the prizes will continue to do so, but it will cost them less because of FEWER recreational players prepared to take a punt with their single alias.
This may eventually make MGS see sense, and return to the one alias across the network rule.

All very possible scenarios. But does anyone really think that MG is going to change anything as long as their profits, and operator's profits are growing as a result of enabling players to have multiple "playernames" or to even agree that any of it is cheating, at all, and not just good business? The only changes I've noticed in the last couple of months are more tournaments at more MG sites with more entrants with higher winning scores. I doubt that MG enacted these changes because they thought they were enabling anything other than an increased bottom line, let alone, cheating even when they knew, by designl, exactly how and from where the extra revenue must originate.

Perhaps the only thing MG didn't anticipate was that so many players would bother to disguise their multple entries with so many dis-similar "playernames" and that more would have done as Jopae1 - Jopae??? had done and just register at additional sites by sticking on ascending numeric suffixes, the more I think about it, despite my earlier post to the contrary.

 

[vinylweatherman]

All very possible scenarios. But does anyone really think that MG is going to change anything as long as their profits, and operator's profits are growing as a result of enabling players to have multiple "playernames" or to even agree that any of it is cheating, at all, and not just good business? The only changes I've noticed in the last couple of months are more tournaments at more MG sites with more entrants with higher winning scores. I doubt that MG enacted these changes because they thought they were enabling anything other than an increased bottom line, let alone, cheating even when they knew, by designl, exactly how and from where the extra revenue must originate.

Perhaps the only thing MG didn't anticipate was that so many players would bother to disguise their multple entries with so many dis-similar "playernames" and that more would have done as Jopae1 - Jopae??? had done and just register at additional sites by sticking on ascending numeric suffixes, the more I think about it, despite my earlier post to the contrary.

With NEW US players being blocked, and existing ones suffering "death by 1000 cuts", the obvious conclusion to be drawn from increasing tournament participation is that players are now entering the same tournament from a number of casinos. This will result in higher scores overall, simply by chance, since more "samples" will lead to a clearer "curve", with more of the rarer results (very high scores) present.

The fact that some players are VERY OBVIOUSLY playing with very large numbers of aliases will put off players who usually play these "for a bit of fun", but can't afford the entry fees for more than one alias. These "fun" players now have far less chance of getting the top prize with one run, because other players are having many attempts.

The weekender is one where multiple aliases is a distinct advantage, because only 5 rebuys are allowed per individual alias, and only one PRIZE is allowed per alias.

Take the situation where you get a half decent score, but are not sure it is good enough to use the continues. Before, you had to make a decision, rebuy and lose the score, or continue. Now you can keep the score, and switch to a different casino and try to better it. If you can't, you don't lose your original attempt, and can therefore still continue from it. If you get several good starts, you can get several prizes, which when added up may make you better off than had only your highest score been awarded a prize.

The deafening silence from Jackpot Factory and MGS is because this is NOT cheating as far as they are concerned, it was PLANNED, and the change was initially made to suit the Grand Slam, since it would enable players to be granted (or compete for) more than one seat. Initially, it was claimed this was ONLY for the Grand Slam, and we would go back to one alias over the network afterwards. This, however, never happened, and all those extra aliases remain with these players, and players who have yet to register an alias in any MGS casino will automatically get a new one, rather than being forced to use their original network wide one.