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More MGS cheating

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Nifty29, Jan 3, 2010.

    Jan 3, 2010
  1. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    PAID CASINO SHILL
    Location:
    Turn right, then right. then right again
    HI Gang

    I thought I would have a pop at the $20k weekender today as I do every week.....and look at the leaderboard.

    Looks like one guy is gonna collect over $8k from 2 accounts....he also has "Jopae1" who is currently 40th.

    So, this person gets 15 chances and I get 5. How is that fair?

    I wish someone from MGS would come out and categorically state if this is allowed. Ive always understood it isnt, so if something had changed it hasnt been well publicized.

    Its bad enough with the freerolls for $50 etc, but these tourneys are expensive and its hard to win anything if someone else has triple the chances to win.
     
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  2. Jan 3, 2010
  3. De Beuker

    De Beuker Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Production
    Location:
    Netherlands
    Funny also is how these cheaters always seem to end in the top places, huh?
    I mean, if I had 50 chances, I would concider myself VERY lucky if ONE of them resulted in a place with the first 10.
    This dude grabs place 1 and 2...
    Just like the other dude did at Nedplay, and even more at Jackpot Factory..
    Some kind of relationship between these 2?
     
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  4. Jan 3, 2010
  5. bryand

    bryand Beach Bum

    Occupation:
    Legal
    Location:
    Just Across the Hudson River
    I've played these tourneys and the probability of someone placing first and second has to be close to zero. Other screen shots show the same thing happening. Its time for MG to publicly address this ongoing issue.
     
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  6. Jan 3, 2010
  7. bernynhel

    bernynhel Dormant account PABnononaccred PABnoaccred

    Occupation:
    Loafer
    Location:
    Los Angeles
    :confused:
    Used to be if you were assigned a tourney alias at one MG site, it was picked up and recognized if you wanted to enter tournaments at other MG sites. They just changed all of that so even among casinos belonging to the same group, you have to choose a new, unique alias for each MG casino if you're entering a tournament at a site for the first time.

    I have a MG tourney alias I've had for years that worked platform-wide up until a few months ago, now alluvasudden I've got a half a dozen. It still works at all of the casinos that prompted me for a tourney name before the changes took effect, and the new names were created lately at sites when I was no longer prompted for an existing name but, instead, was prompted to create a new alias for each site. :confused:
     
  8. Jan 3, 2010
  9. RobWin

    RobWin closed account

    Occupation:
    Who knows?
    Location:
    A Vault!
    Whatever you do bro, just don't hold your breath waiting on that one to happen..;)
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    ____
     
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  10. Jan 3, 2010
  11. Peter-Jan

    Peter-Jan Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Customer Development, PlayersBay.com
    Location:
    Europe
    My thoughts exactly.

    Although I think someone has found a loophole in their system rather than that they are 'favoring' certain accounts, as I assume they wouldn't be so stupid to use similar account names if they did.
     
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  12. Jan 3, 2010
  13. Roanan

    Roanan Banned User - abusive flamming - misogynist

    Occupation:
    Geek
    Location:
    Langley, BC...in Canada, eh?
    Although Jackpot Capital has chosen to completely ignore the fact that this is happening on their site and have refused to answer any emails, I do know for a fact that Microgaming themselves ARE actively investigating this issue right across the board. (I have been asked not to reveal the private discussions I have been having with their representatives)
    The Christmas season is the main reason for the perceived delays but things will be sorted out from the top down.
     
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  14. Jan 3, 2010
  15. RobWin

    RobWin closed account

    Occupation:
    Who knows?
    Location:
    A Vault!
    Jackpot Capital is an RTG software, did you mean "All Jackpots" casino?
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  16. Jan 3, 2010
  17. NeuroPR

    NeuroPR Dormant account webmeister

    Occupation:
    Web Authoring, Design, Search engine optimization
    Location:
    Greece
    Probably he means jackpot factory group...
     
  18. Jan 3, 2010
  19. Roanan

    Roanan Banned User - abusive flamming - misogynist

    Occupation:
    Geek
    Location:
    Langley, BC...in Canada, eh?
    Yes, I did mean the Jackpot Factory group.

    The CM rep, and their support have blatantly refused to respond to this issue.

    I haven't been monitoring them as I don't have an account, and although they are 'accredited', their complete silence on this issue guarantees that I never will.
     
  20. Jan 3, 2010
  21. bernynhel

    bernynhel Dormant account PABnononaccred PABnoaccred

    Occupation:
    Loafer
    Location:
    Los Angeles
    Maybe I should have posted a tad differently: To think that MG didn't know exactly what they were doing, after all these years of site-wide "playername" recognition, by requiring tourney entrants to register a new and unique "playername" for each casino upon entering a tournament at all sites where entrants had not previously played in a tourney, is, to say the least, a little naive.

    Check it out:

    Whereby lonely little Jopae used to pay $X to win a tournament, he must now pay $X x (whatever it takes NOW to win the same tourney cuz a bunch a other players got hip TOO just they weren't a bunch a dumb-asses, like Jopae and, when so prompted, chose dis-similar "playernames" so as not to give up so much game as evident by the existence of this thread). But don't think they're not there just like Jopae1, Jopae2, and if Jopae3, 4 & 5 weren't enough to get to the top, Jopae5...jopae99.999, if necessary, depending on the purse, which by the way, is the same whether 50 or 5,000 entrants, as far as MG is concerned.

    So instead of profiting $X on any given tournament, MG and MG operators new and improved profit is $X x (all the Jopae1s to Jopae99.999s in the system who got hip TOO) + (higher fees from their licensees when they can point to exponentially growing tournament revenue + exponentially expansion of player tournament participation across all MG sites)

    "Cheaters"? :lolup: You mean MGs "top" tournament customers, don't you? Microgaming's silence on this some sort of oversight? Jackpot City refuses to respond to angry queries? DUH!

    The moment Microgaming ever does comment on this they will become instant, (poof!), liars and fatmouths. Again. And if you think an operator is going to respond before MG, :)lolup: not even gonna apologize for a second lolup, here) when all they ever do is hide behind the platform - privilege included in the license fee), then I got a lil bridge in Brooklyn that I think you really, really might want to have a look at.
     
    Last edited: Jan 3, 2010
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  22. Jan 3, 2010
  23. silcnlayc

    silcnlayc Just one more spin pleez! CAG MM PABnonaccred PABaccred

    Occupation:
    IT Director of Operations
    Location:
    Left Hungary
    Maybe Dogboy001 would have an insight as to why this is happening since he is in the know on all these casinos tech wise??

    .
     
  24. Jan 3, 2010
  25. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount.

    Occupation:
    Bum
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    What if these are just simply house players put into place so that MGS only has to pay out as little as possible?

    This would explain why the same people get #1 and #2 quite often.

    Unless they've figured out a way to cheat the system themselves.
     
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  26. Jan 3, 2010
  27. DogBoy001

    DogBoy001 Senior Member webmeister

    Occupation:
    Managing Director
    Location:
    Great Southern Land
    Sorry, have to bite my tongue on this one, as I do on numerous non-RTG threads.
    Yes, I'm aware of the system functionality of numerous software providers, but this knowledge was acquired while working with them at a previous company, and as such I will not disclose any information.

    Woooof
     
  28. Jan 3, 2010
  29. bernynhel

    bernynhel Dormant account PABnononaccred PABnoaccred

    Occupation:
    Loafer
    Location:
    Los Angeles
    :lolup::lolup::lolup::lolup::lolup::lolup::lolup: x infinity

    Oh, gee, I never thought of that. Hmmmmmm.....let's see now...Microgaming goes through all this trouble of enabling players to register unlimited tournament playernames whereby they can increase volume and profits exponentially for themselves and their operators, or, go through the exact, same trouble and expense, PLUS PAY A WHOLE ARMY OF NEW EMPLOYEES HIRED TO SPEND THOUSANDS OF HOURS PLAYING IN THEIR OWN TOURNAMENTS X (INFINITE FICTICIOUS PLAYERNAMES) JUST TO REDUCE THE COSTS OF OFFERING TOURNAMENTS.

    You're absolutely right, winbig!

    How stupid of me.

    Disregard my previous post.

    Now click your heels together three times and repeat after me...
     
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  30. Jan 3, 2010
  31. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount.

    Occupation:
    Bum
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    Who said that these house players had to be human?

    They created the software, they can create a bot to play, just the same. Except that the software is programmed to give these bots a 1243% RTP in these tournaments :rolleyes:

    [/conspiracy theory]
     
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  32. Jan 3, 2010
  33. silcnlayc

    silcnlayc Just one more spin pleez! CAG MM PABnonaccred PABaccred

    Occupation:
    IT Director of Operations
    Location:
    Left Hungary
    Understood...
     
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  34. Jan 3, 2010
  35. bernynhel

    bernynhel Dormant account PABnononaccred PABnoaccred

    Occupation:
    Loafer
    Location:
    Los Angeles
    vs increased profits??? C'mon!!! And so how do you explain that, in addition to the creation of an army of in-house bots :rolleyes:, they have also enabled players to register practically unlimited numbers of tournament "playernames" or aliases which could result in continue and rebuy purchase increases by exactly the same (number of new "playername" additions) x (rebuy and/or continue offers)? And don't say, "The creation of the in-house bot army inadvertantly caused the regular-player-multiple-'playername'-bug"! You're better than that.

    Prosecution rests.
     
    Last edited: Jan 3, 2010
  36. Jan 4, 2010
  37. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    PAID CASINO SHILL
    Location:
    Turn right, then right. then right again
    Yes its clear that if MGS does anything about this issue it is going to cost them a lot of money.......and I cant see them jumping at that can you??

    I wonder if maybe that is why they have allowed a new alias at every casino, to enable those with a large bankroll to part with more of their hard-earned to almost 'buy' a decent prize.

    I have to also agree that its pretty amazing that the same player can win both first and second prize, but I guess if they have had dozens of rebuys then anything is possible.

    As someone else said, I suggest we dont hold our collective breaths.

    Roanan has got some wheels in motion in regards to freerolls, but they are a different animal and cost the casino practically nothing compared to the 20k weekender.
     
  38. Jan 4, 2010
  39. Mavin1

    Mavin1 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Caregiver/homemaker
    Location:
    Arizona
    I think what MG should be doing to make the tournaments a bit more fair to all playing them is limit a player to one entry per tournament and not be allowed to enter the same tournaments at sister casinos, so they can't monopolize the top spots.
    JMO.
     

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