More MGS cheating

[Nifty29]

HI Gang

I thought I would have a pop at the $20k weekender today as I do every week.....and look at the leaderboard.

Looks like one guy is gonna collect over $8k from 2 accounts....he also has "Jopae1" who is currently 40th.

So, this person gets 15 chances and I get 5. How is that fair?

I wish someone from MGS would come out and categorically state if this is allowed. Ive always understood it isnt, so if something had changed it hasnt been well publicized.

Its bad enough with the freerolls for $50 etc, but these tourneys are expensive and its hard to win anything if someone else has triple the chances to win.

 

[De Beuker]

Funny also is how these cheaters always seem to end in the top places, huh?
I mean, if I had 50 chances, I would concider myself VERY lucky if ONE of them resulted in a place with the first 10.
This dude grabs place 1 and 2...
Just like the other dude did at Nedplay, and even more at Jackpot Factory..
Some kind of relationship between these 2?

 

[bryand]

I've played these tourneys and the probability of someone placing first and second has to be close to zero. Other screen shots show the same thing happening. Its time for MG to publicly address this ongoing issue.

 

[bernynhel]

HI Gang

I thought I would have a pop at the $20k weekender today as I do every week.....and look at the leaderboard.

Looks like one guy is gonna collect over $8k from 2 accounts....he also has "Jopae1" who is currently 40th.

So, this person gets 15 chances and I get 5. How is that fair?

I wish someone from MGS would come out and categorically state if this is allowed. Ive always understood it isnt, so if something had changed it hasnt been well publicized.

Its bad enough with the freerolls for $50 etc, but these tourneys are expensive and its hard to win anything if someone else has triple the chances to win.

Used to be if you were assigned a tourney alias at one MG site, it was picked up and recognized if you wanted to enter tournaments at other MG sites. They just changed all of that so even among casinos belonging to the same group, you have to choose a new, unique alias for each MG casino if you're entering a tournament at a site for the first time.

I have a MG tourney alias I've had for years that worked platform-wide up until a few months ago, now alluvasudden I've got a half a dozen. It still works at all of the casinos that prompted me for a tourney name before the changes took effect, and the new names were created lately at sites when I was no longer prompted for an existing name but, instead, was prompted to create a new alias for each site.

 

[RobWin]

I've played these tourneys and the probability of someone placing first and second has to be close to zero. Other screen shots show the same thing happening. Its time for MG to publicly address this ongoing issue.

Whatever you do bro, just don't hold your breath waiting on that one to happen..
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[Peter-Jan]

I've played these tourneys and the probability of someone placing first and second has to be close to zero. Other screen shots show the same thing happening. Its time for MG to publicly address this ongoing issue.

My thoughts exactly.

Although I think someone has found a loophole in their system rather than that they are 'favoring' certain accounts, as I assume they wouldn't be so stupid to use similar account names if they did.

 

[Roanan]

Although Jackpot Capital has chosen to completely ignore the fact that this is happening on their site and have refused to answer any emails, I do know for a fact that Microgaming themselves ARE actively investigating this issue right across the board. (I have been asked not to reveal the private discussions I have been having with their representatives)
The Christmas season is the main reason for the perceived delays but things will be sorted out from the top down.

 

[RobWin]

Although Jackpot Capital has chosen to completely ignore the fact that this is happening on their site and have refused to answer any emails, I do know for a fact that Microgaming themselves ARE actively investigating this issue right across the board. (I have been asked not to reveal the private discussions I have been having with their representatives)
The Christmas season is the main reason for the perceived delays but things will be sorted out from the top down.

Jackpot Capital is an RTG software, did you mean "All Jackpots" casino?
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[est129]

Probably he means jackpot factory group...

 

[Roanan]

Jackpot Capital is an RTG software, did you mean "All Jackpots" casino?
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Probably he means jackpot factory group...

Yes, I did mean the Jackpot Factory group.

The CM rep, and their support have blatantly refused to respond to this issue.

I haven't been monitoring them as I don't have an account, and although they are 'accredited', their complete silence on this issue guarantees that I never will.

 

[bernynhel]

Maybe I should have posted a tad differently: To think that MG didn't know exactly what they were doing, after all these years of site-wide "playername" recognition, by requiring tourney entrants to register a new and unique "playername" for each casino upon entering a tournament at all sites where entrants had not previously played in a tourney, is, to say the least, a little naive.

Check it out:

Whereby lonely little Jopae used to pay $X to win a tournament, he must now pay $X x (whatever it takes NOW to win the same tourney cuz a bunch a other players got hip TOO just they weren't a bunch a dumb-asses, like Jopae and, when so prompted, chose dis-similar "playernames" so as not to give up so much game as evident by the existence of this thread). But don't think they're not there just like Jopae1, Jopae2, and if Jopae3, 4 & 5 weren't enough to get to the top, Jopae5...jopae99.999, if necessary, depending on the purse, which by the way, is the same whether 50 or 5,000 entrants, as far as MG is concerned.

So instead of profiting $X on any given tournament, MG and MG operators new and improved profit is $X x (all the Jopae1s to Jopae99.999s in the system who got hip TOO) + (higher fees from their licensees when they can point to exponentially growing tournament revenue + exponentially expansion of player tournament participation across all MG sites)

Funny also is how these cheaters always seem to end in the top places, huh?...

"Cheaters"? You mean MGs "top" tournament customers, don't you? Microgaming's silence on this some sort of oversight? Jackpot City refuses to respond to angry queries? DUH!

The moment Microgaming ever does comment on this they will become instant, (poof!), liars and fatmouths. Again. And if you think an operator is going to respond before MG, lolup: not even gonna apologize for a second lolup, here) when all they ever do is hide behind the platform - privilege included in the license fee), then I got a lil bridge in Brooklyn that I think you really, really might want to have a look at.

 

[silcnlayc]

Maybe Dogboy001 would have an insight as to why this is happening since he is in the know on all these casinos tech wise??

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[winbig]

What if these are just simply house players put into place so that MGS only has to pay out as little as possible?

This would explain why the same people get #1 and #2 quite often.

Unless they've figured out a way to cheat the system themselves.

 

[DogBoy001]

Maybe Dogboy001 would have an insight as to why this is happening since he is in the know on all these casinos tech wise??

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Sorry, have to bite my tongue on this one, as I do on numerous non-RTG threads.
Yes, I'm aware of the system functionality of numerous software providers, but this knowledge was acquired while working with them at a previous company, and as such I will not disclose any information.

Woooof

 

[bernynhel]

What if these are just simply house players put into place so that MGS only has to pay out as little as possible?

This would explain why the same people get #1 and #2 quite often.

Unless they've figured out a way to cheat the system themselves.

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Oh, gee, I never thought of that. Hmmmmmm.....let's see now...Microgaming goes through all this trouble of enabling players to register unlimited tournament playernames whereby they can increase volume and profits exponentially for themselves and their operators, or, go through the exact, same trouble and expense, PLUS PAY A WHOLE ARMY OF NEW EMPLOYEES HIRED TO SPEND THOUSANDS OF HOURS PLAYING IN THEIR OWN TOURNAMENTS X (INFINITE FICTICIOUS PLAYERNAMES) JUST TO REDUCE THE COSTS OF OFFERING TOURNAMENTS.

You're absolutely right, winbig!

How stupid of me.

Disregard my previous post.

Now click your heels together three times and repeat after me...

 

[winbig]

Oh, gee, I never thought of that. Hmmmmmm.....let's see now...Microgaming goes through all this trouble of enabling players to register unlimited tournament playernames whereby they can increase volume and profits exponentially for themselves and their operators, or, go through the exact, same trouble and expense, PLUS PAY A WHOLE ARMY OF NEW EMPLOYEES HIRED TO SPEND THOUSANDS OF HOURS PLAYING IN THEIR OWN TOURNAMENTS X (INFINITE FICTICIOUS PLAYERNAMES) JUST TO REDUCE THE COSTS OF OFFERING TOURNAMENTS.

You're absolutely right, winbig!

How stupid of me.

Disregard my previous post.

Who said that these house players had to be human?

They created the software, they can create a bot to play, just the same. Except that the software is programmed to give these bots a 1243% RTP in these tournaments

[/conspiracy theory]

 

[silcnlayc]

DogBoy001: Sorry, have to bite my tongue on this one, as I do on numerous non-RTG threads.
Yes, I'm aware of the system functionality of numerous software providers, but this knowledge was acquired while working with them at a previous company, and as such I will not disclose any information.

Woooof

Understood...

 

[bernynhel]

Who said that these house players had to be human?

They created the software, they can create a bot to play, just the same. Except that the software is programmed to give these bots a 1243% RTP in these tournaments

[/conspiracy theory]

vs increased profits??? C'mon!!! And so how do you explain that, in addition to the creation of an army of in-house bots , they have also enabled players to register practically unlimited numbers of tournament "playernames" or aliases which could result in continue and rebuy purchase increases by exactly the same (number of new "playername" additions) x (rebuy and/or continue offers)? And don't say, "The creation of the in-house bot army inadvertantly caused the regular-player-multiple-'playername'-bug"! You're better than that.

Sorry, have to bite my tongue on this one, as I do on numerous non-RTG threads.
Yes, I'm aware of the system functionality of numerous software providers, but this knowledge was acquired while working with them at a previous company, and as such I will not disclose any information.

Woooof

Prosecution rests.

 

[Nifty29]

Yes its clear that if MGS does anything about this issue it is going to cost them a lot of money.......and I cant see them jumping at that can you??

I wonder if maybe that is why they have allowed a new alias at every casino, to enable those with a large bankroll to part with more of their hard-earned to almost 'buy' a decent prize.

I have to also agree that its pretty amazing that the same player can win both first and second prize, but I guess if they have had dozens of rebuys then anything is possible.

As someone else said, I suggest we dont hold our collective breaths.

Roanan has got some wheels in motion in regards to freerolls, but they are a different animal and cost the casino practically nothing compared to the 20k weekender.

 

[Mavin1]

I think what MG should be doing to make the tournaments a bit more fair to all playing them is limit a player to one entry per tournament and not be allowed to enter the same tournaments at sister casinos, so they can't monopolize the top spots.
JMO.

 

[4 of a kind]

I can't believe this thread... Another of the many similar past ones with obvious proof of something is rigged.

Why would anyone even consider being part of this obvious tournament bullshit? Don't you have enough problems just trying to get a fair game straight up?

DogBoy a friend of this forum won't even talk. Do you really expect someone else that actually knows exactly what's going on like the Fairy Godmother to fly out of cyberspace, and tell all you tournament players to stop playing cause it's rigged and you're getting screwed. Not once has anyone come forward in the past. Do you think these people wherever they are, are saying "Oh No!! there's a negative thread on casinomiester, they must have noticed something". Isn't it also obvious what is said here pretty much only means something to us the members.

Please give this shit a break and start recognizing what you're dealing with.

How many of these threads have to be posted before anyone catches on?


Just an additional note here I was a high roller years ago at Golden Palace when they were flying high and before they were considered rogue. (Before UIGEA) Once a week during the weekdays to promote deposits, they offered a random free $1,000.00 dollar cash prize every hour for like 5 hours in a row, with no attachments. (you could actually cash it out if you wanted) The player picked had to be playing and was supposed to be a random pick. I would call and of course was well known with all the reps. their, and always was given two 1k alleged random wins each time it was offered. This bullshit random crap ran once a week for 5 weeks in a row. That's right I won 10 times. In addition whenever I had a cash out which was usually large, I always sent the reps their after receiving my payment which if I recall correctly was in Canada a $500.00 western union (to their personal name) to expedite my payouts. I was the ultimate customer and they loved me. To bad they stopped excepting USA players and went rogue.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

 

[silcnlayc]

4 of a kindut that in your pipe and smoke it.

I would rather hug you but I wouldn't want you to think it was personal...oke: , oh what the devill, consider yourself hugged!

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[bernynhel]

I think what MG should be doing to make the tournaments a bit more fair to all playing...

Exactly what they wont do. They just changed the registration process to make multiple entries for each player possible a couple of months ago so why would they change it back? They now have each player able to enter for as many aliases registered and potentially buyinig continues and/or rebuys for each alias?

Why would anyone even consider being part of this obvious tournament bullsh...Just an additional note here I was a high roller years ago at Golden Palace when they were flying high and before they were considered rogue. (Before UIGEA)...

Yeah! They were the shiznit back in the day, huh! Remember when they bid on that chick's forehead to tattoo their logo on? They won the auction for $10k on eBay and the chick went through with it? Isn't that what rogued 'em? Or was it all B.S. and I was too high to know any better? LOL Golden Palace and Grand Online. I hit a Js or Better rf @ $5 and 10 minutes later in the same session another rf @ $25 at GP and one week to the day later another $25 rf on Js or Better at GOL I really miss that shit! Back then both sites had a max payout of $3k or $4k/week so I was a happy camper for a while there at $8k/week! Those were the days boyeee!!! You got that right!

Still. I don't see why you gotta bust a grape over what anyone else wants to post. Nobody's trying to tell you to stifle alla your hot air. Specially when you wanna use the very thread your whining about the existence of as an opportunity to let everyone know what a high roller you used to be. We'd a let you do that without all the negativity.

But thanks for the "smoke"! What else you got for my "pipe"?

 

[bernynhel]

Yes its clear that if MGS does anything about this issue it is going to cost them a lot of money.......and I cant see them jumping at that can you??...I wonder if maybe that is why they have allowed a new alias at every casino, to enable those with a large bankroll to part with more of their hard-earned to almost 'buy' a decent prize...I have to also agree that its pretty amazing that the same player can win both first and second prize, but I guess if they have had dozens of rebuys then anything is possible...

The only part of this I find amazing is that they let Jopae register multiple "playernames" and all of em are Jopae, thus, spilling the beans so blatantly. lol

 

[4 of a kind]

Still. I don't see why you gotta bust a grape over what anyone else wants to post. Nobody's trying to tell you to stifle alla your hot air. Specially when you wanna use the very thread your whining about the existence of as an opportunity to let everyone know what a high roller you used to be. We'd a let you do that without all the negativity

Nothing what so ever at all to do with how much of a high roller I use to be. How else would you expect me to explain this particular incident that actually took place without details in an attempt to point out what could be done online. I certainly never made a single post attempting to impress anyone here ever about my finances, past or present. Why would you want to take my point out of context and suggest I have a need to blow my own horn? I'm a little to old for that childish nonsense. I would have to assume based on your ridicules comment you are not. Judging by your post above it might appear that your more concerned about a topic of this type.

Most people here are capable of grasping a serious point when presented with true hard facts of what could actually be done online. It has become obvious with this tournament format that it's not a fair game.

Unfortunately it's the posters like yourself, regardless how many times something is brought to your attention that just seem to never catch on. Instead you would prefer to carry on about it day after day trying to figure out how it's being done. You of all posters should know by now that nothing will be addressed. Maybe when it comes to these topics you should spend your posting time warning players and pointing out to them to avoid playing tournaments. Similar to warning players about rogue casinos.

Maybe it's time you recognize and respect the power that comes with possessing anonymity in cyberspace, especially when it comes to gambling, and proceed with much more caution then you believe is necessary.