MG Practice Mode - BUSTED!!

vinylweatherman

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For the following experiment, you need TWO computers.


Computer A - Sign into Practice Play
Spin slot till free spins triggered
Exit casino without taking spins.

Now move to computer B

Log in to SAME CASINO, SAME ACCOUNT & select Practice Play.
Go to same slot.
Play bonus round NOT!!!! - It AINT THERE!!!!!!!!!!!

Go back to computer A (having logged off computer B)

Log into casino and check slot
Bonus round BACK AGAIN!!!!!!!!

Things to note,
Your practice balance will be different between different computers, and the Practice play DOES HAVE PLAYCHECK, but it is different, so must be "local" to each computer.

During spins, if internet is disconnected during practice play the slot stalls (reels keep spinning), so it at least uses the server to play, rather than the local PC (like other software).

How can this be? Does practice play have an account generated for each PC used? Wouldn't that stuff the server full of crap?
Is play & game state only stored locally, and only the RNG is taken from the server?
Does lots of practice play fill your PC with crap (the playcheck data)?
 

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How can this be? Does practice play have an account generated for each PC used?
Wouldn't that stuff the server full of crap?
Is play & game state only stored locally, and only the RNG is taken from the server?
Does lots of practice play fill your PC with crap (the playcheck data)?
1. Sounds like it.
2. Yes.
3. Sounds like it.
4. Yes.

As MG seem to think it's OK to use up vast amounts of your disk space with dozens and dozens of games you don't want, I don't think they would have any reservations about creating masses of data files too. Especially as a years worth of this data would likely take up far less room than say the code for just one slot.

Interesting discovery - I presume that in Real Money mode the bonus round does still appear on both PC's?

KK
 

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Surely the same would apply to real play then? The only difference is an account number. It's a bit worrying that the state of the game is stored locally though, if that's the case?

What if you log onto the flash casino after playing on the download? :eek2:

Someone needs to try this on real play at .9p a spin or summat...
 

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Surely the same would apply to real play then? The only difference is an account number. It's a bit worrying that the state of the game is stored locally though, if that's the case?
It is common for softwares to do things locally for practice mode, and use an external server for real mode. For example, Cryptologic states "When playing for real money these numbers are generated by InterCasino's UNIX gaming server. When playing in practice mode, these numbers will be generated by your computer's Windows random number generator." Playtech allows you to play in practice mode while completely offline and disconnected from the external server.
 

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It is common for softwares to do things locally for practice mode, and use an external server for real mode. For example, Cryptologic states "When playing for real money these numbers are generated by InterCasino's UNIX gaming server. When playing in practice mode, these numbers will be generated by your computer's Windows random number generator." Playtech allows you to play in practice mode while completely offline and disconnected from the external server.
I understand that, but what VW is saying is that the RNG still comes from the server - whereas some of the information is stored locally. It's either one or the other with the rest, which would lead you to believe there's a combination of the two in real play too.
 

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In real mode the free spins will appear on another computer if I recall correct, just try flipping between flash casino and the install. I wouldnt be surprised if the free-play has higher payout aswell, just to get you into real play mode.
 

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The state of your free play account (balance, pending free spins, etc) is stored locally on your computer. The state of your real money account is stored on the server. What's the problem?
 

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How exactly does this make them "busted"? Unless you think that by using the windows RNG this changes the house edge?
 

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Hmm that only means that the status of a game is saved on your computer. Why would someone wanted to stop free game spins to go on another computer to resume it ?
 

vinylweatherman

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Hmm that only means that the status of a game is saved on your computer. Why would someone wanted to stop free game spins to go on another computer to resume it ?
One wouldn't, but MG claim that practice play and real play are IDENTICAL, however if there are differences in the way games and results are generated, then it is possible for there to be a difference.

Incidentally, Flash Thunderstruck, for example, is NOT the same game as Download Thunderstruck. This can be proved by the 0.09c free spin experiment in real mode. This MAY explain why some players believe the Flash versions of certain slots is somehow different in feel, well they ARE different games! The paytables may be the same, but the game engine is different.


Homework - Does Flash Thunderstruck have the same reelbands as the download version?
 

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One wouldn't, but MG claim that practice play and real play are IDENTICAL, however if there are differences in the way games and results are generated, then it is possible for there to be a difference.
Being the conspiracy nut I am, would this mean that you might be implying that things are not as they seem... ;>
 

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Incidentally, Flash Thunderstruck, for example, is NOT the same game as Download Thunderstruck. Homework - Does Flash Thunderstruck have the same reelbands as the download version?
Yes they are.

What is the difference? I don't think I have played either.
The Flash version uses much crisper graphics and slightly different sounds. Its much better IMO.
 

vinylweatherman

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Being the conspiracy nut I am, would this mean that you might be implying that things are not as they seem... ;>
This is EXACTLY why I posted this, an effort to liven up a dull end of weekend after all the 777 fun:D
I just found it really odd that some observations seem at odds with the version MG and operators are peddling to us.

Incidentally, I got my first "Wheel of Cash" in bloody AGES at Casino Action, clearly absolutely NOTHING to do with Munchkin Monday being more like Munchkins Revenge after the kicking I gave this slot over the weekend:D

I DID request my fat cheque from Neteller BEFORE playing yesterday, so I still get to keep the 7000:p No matter what the temptation, this 7K is trapped in the ether & I can't go on the chase with it.
 

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I have always thought that play money mode it uses the random generator on the computer while money its generated on the casino server end.
 

vinylweatherman

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Well, make that an even BIGGER Bastard today. After Munchkins Revenge, I went over the Jackpot Factory VIP Lounge, and after a mediocre start got 2x four Aces and 1x 2,3,4 with A,2,3,4 on DBL DBL Bonus 4-UP, had another bad spell and then proceeded to give Munchkins ANOTHER B****y good hiding for over 5 Grand. Ended up over 10K, but noticed someone had suddenly eaten all the cream biscuits, so hit the cashout button.

So, 7000 in the ether & 10,700 for tomorrow in Neteller:p:p:p

That must make me an even BIGGER BASTARD:)
 

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Well, make that an even BIGGER Bastard today. After Munchkins Revenge, I went over the Jackpot Factory VIP Lounge, and after a mediocre start got 2x four Aces and 1x 2,3,4 with A,2,3,4 on DBL DBL Bonus 4-UP, had another bad spell and then proceeded to give Munchkins ANOTHER B****y good hiding for over 5 Grand. Ended up over 10K, but noticed someone had suddenly eaten all the cream biscuits, so hit the cashout button.

So, 7000 in the ether & 10,700 for tomorrow in Neteller:p:p:p

That must make me an even BIGGER BASTARD:)
Beats emptying the fruities, I bet... :D

Congrats...
 

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