Madame Destiny Megaways - Do Retriggers During Free Spins Exist?

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I just wanted to reach out to the community and ask if anyone here has actually gotten 1 or more retriggers during
a regular bonus round on Madame Destiny Megaways by Pragmatic.

I'm not talking about when the game goes ape-shit when landing the max-win (5000X) sequence and getting a 25X multiplier with 12 free spins
(which I've never won) and starts retriggering like crazy... I'm talking about landing an average combination bonus with like 3X with 10 free spins or something to that effect.

I'm curious as hell because I probably have well over 200 real money bonus rounds under my belt and the game has never retriggered.. not even once during a bonus round.

Pragmatic games act and play very strange compared to other provider's slot... They do some wacky stuff.
 
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Yes retriggers exist but rare, for example I bought over 1000 bonuses on fruitparty on many casino’s and only hit 10 times 5000 x madame destiny megaways is one of the worst games I think!
 

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I just wanted to reach out to the community and ask if anyone here has actually gotten 1 or more retriggers during
a regular bonus round on Madame Destiny Megaways by Pragmatic.

I'm not talking about when the game goes ape-shit when landing the max-win (5000X) sequence and getting a 25X multiplier with 12 free spins
(which I've never won) and starts retriggering like crazy... I'm talking about landing an average combination bonus with like 3X with 10 free spins or something to that effect.

I'm curious as hell because I probably have well over 200 real money bonus rounds under my belt and the game has never retriggered.. not even once during a bonus round.

Pragmatic games act and play very strange compared to other provider's slot... They do some wacky stuff.
I have the same experience.
The only time i have ever seen a retrigger is from those videos of it paying the max win of 5000x.
And wouldnt you know it, all retriggers are 10-12 spins and 20x-x25 for the multiplier.
I mean what are the odds, just like you i have never gotten the 20x or 25x multiplier and for these videos it just keeps 'randomly' getting that multiplier several times in a row.

But its weird, comparing these two videos (mute to avoid braindamage from the idiots screaming) i get the feeling that maybe retriggers in the bonus can only give 20-25x for the multi and 10-12 for the spins.
The second video does not even show any other options on the wheel for the retriggers, first one does for some reason.
I timestamped the second video where the first retrigger happens, and their wheel only shows those options. 20-25x 10-12 spins.



 

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I have the same experience.
The only time i have ever seen a retrigger is from those videos of it paying the max win of 5000x.
And wouldnt you know it, all retriggers are 10-12 spins and 20x-x25 for the multiplier.
I mean what are the odds, just like you i have never gotten the 20x or 25x multiplier and for these videos it just keeps 'randomly' getting that multiplier several times in a row.

But its weird, comparing these two videos (mute to avoid braindamage from the idiots screaming) i get the feeling that maybe retriggers in the bonus can only give 20-25x for the multi and 10-12 for the spins.
The second video does not even show any other options on the wheel for the retriggers, first one does for some reason.
I timestamped the second video where the first retrigger happens, and their wheel only shows those options. 20-25x 10-12 spins.



Yes, I've seen both videos before. There's no way this slot behaves in a random fashion if it keeps on awarding re-triggers ONLY in a max-win bonus and not award any in a "regular" feature.

I like this game a lot.. I like the theme, music and potential but I'm having a difficult time understanding how this game is truly random if I can't be awarded a retrigger like, ever.

@Kroffe if you're thought process is accurate about only getting 10-12 with a 20x-25x from an actual retrigger, surely it would state such a thing in their help file? Something doesn't add up completely with the mechanics.

@Pragmatic Play Official
Could you please shed some light on this?
 

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Yes, I've seen both videos before. There's no way this slot behaves in a random fashion if it keeps on awarding re-triggers ONLY in a max-win bonus and not award any in a "regular" feature.

I like this game a lot.. I like the theme, music and potential but I'm having a difficult time understanding how this game is truly random if I can't be awarded a retrigger like, ever.

@Kroffe if you're thought process is accurate about only getting 10-12 with a 20x-25x from an actual retrigger, surely it would state such a thing in their help file? Something doesn't add up completely with the mechanics.

@Pragmatic Play Official
Could you please shed some light on this?
Im just guessing from what i have seen and my own (rather small) number of spins on the game.
But from what ive seen its the same on other PP slots aswell, take Hot fiesta as example.
The videos ive seen of that hitting the max win, they have always gotten the max number of spins for the bonus, and it just keeps spitting out the wilds, but only x5 wilds.
the x2&x3 wilds are suddenly nowhere to be seen, and max win is usually reached long before the bonus is over.

For games that supposedly are random, these max win bonuses behave very strange.
 

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Im just guessing from what i have seen and my own (rather small) number of spins on the game.
But from what ive seen its the same on other PP slots aswell, take Hot fiesta as example.
The videos ive seen of that hitting the max win, they have always gotten the max number of spins for the bonus, and it just keeps spitting out the wilds, but only x5 wilds.
the x2&x3 wilds are suddenly nowhere to be seen, and max win is usually reached long before the bonus is over.

For games that supposedly are random, these max win bonuses behave very strange.
Yup. I'm just using my favorite slot as an example but have seen what you're talking about on max-win slot videos from other Pragmatic slots from streamers on YouTube.

I really don't want this thread to be pushed under a rug. If I'm spending my money spinning a Pragmatic slot and purchasing the features, I need to know more about this strange behavior as a consumer and why the slots at times don't feel very random at all.

Hopefully Pragmatic Play can address the concerns. In the meantime I'm still hoping someone here can tell us if they actually have been awarded a retrigger on Madame Destiny Megaways from a "normal" free spins/multiplier feature.
 
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Yes, I've seen both videos before. There's no way this slot behaves in a random fashion if it keeps on awarding re-triggers ONLY in a max-win bonus and not award any in a "regular" feature.

I like this game a lot.. I like the theme, music and potential but I'm having a difficult time understanding how this game is truly random if I can't be awarded a retrigger like, ever.

@Kroffe if you're thought process is accurate about only getting 10-12 with a 20x-25x from an actual retrigger, surely it would state such a thing in their help file? Something doesn't add up completely with the mechanics.

@Pragmatic Play Official
Could you please shed some light on this?
But it doesnt make the game any less random from what I understand
If you spin and it dips into the pool of results, that result can be determined from the point of hitting spin, and what you see play out, is merely the eye-candy representation of said result
I'm sure @trancemonkey (or @Halvor )can explain it better
 

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But it doesnt make the game any less random from what I understand
If you spin and it dips into the pool of results, that result can be determined from the point of hitting spin, and what you see play out, is merely the eye-candy representation of said result
I'm sure @trancemonkey (or @Halvor )can explain it better

Yes, I understand eye candy to showcase a predetermined outcome of a pool of results.

It still doesn't explain why the slots from Pragmatic Play behave so friggin' wonky.
More specifically.. why Madame Destiny Megaways doesn't award retriggers during "normal" bonus rounds.

Actually, the whole max-win predetermination thing with Pragmatic Play is very suspicious ?

Maybe Trace Monkey & Halvor know more about the mechanics with Pragmatic games.

Ultimately I hope Pragmatic themselves shed more light.
 

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But it doesnt make the game any less random from what I understand
If you spin and it dips into the pool of results, that result can be determined from the point of hitting spin, and what you see play out, is merely the eye-candy representation of said result
I'm sure @trancemonkey (or @Halvor )can explain it better
I wasnt trying to imply its not random.
It sort of looks like the game makes a check when you land the bonus, Max win YES/NO.
And for that 1 in a million bonus when that check comes back 'YES' , you will get retriggers, max multipliers etc until max win is reached.

That said, retriggers should still of course be possible for bonuses that do no hit the max win if the bonuses are randomly generated.
 
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It sort of looks like the game makes a check when you land the bonus, Max win YES/NO.
And for that 1 in a million bonus when that check comes back 'YES'

Not to mention how average schmucks like us never get those max-win, "1 in a million" bonus rounds when we land the bonus but streamers that are playing Pragmatic Play games and recording them happen to land them like they were as common as a cold. ?
 

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Not to mention why average schmucks like us never getting those max-win 1 in a million bonus rounds when we land the bonus but streamers that are playing Pragmatic Play games and recording them happen to land them like they were as common as a cold. ?
I think that just comes down to them playing several hours each day doing a shit ton of bonus buys.
Not really feasible for normal people since we dont play using monopoly money. =)
 

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I think that just comes down to them playing several hours each day doing a shit ton of bonus buys.
Not really feasible for normal people since we dont play using monopoly money. =)
Eh.. maybe.

But the max-win result bonuses on Madame Destiny Megaways from streamings doing it live weren't from loads of buys. They just happened to land it from one or two while recording. I've went through hundreds of bonus rounds and not even a sniff of a retrigger let alone a max-win feature lol.
 

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Seems all the pragmatic games give mental multipliers when max win incoming. Look at Gates of Olynpus, never seen a big multiplier, yet when max win coming it keep dropping 500/250x multipliers like sweets even if a few miss. How can that be random, never see one then 10 arrive in a single bonus.
Same with buffalo King megaways, drops buffalo's and loads of connecting mutilouer to pay like 20,000x then rounds it down to 5,000x
Could it be they just have a hot mode like Terminator 2?
 

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Still searching for someone who has had a retrigger during a normal bonus round on Madame Destiny Megaways.

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Help file states when entering the wheel spin in bonus, it awards a *random* combination. It's not so random though when the game
decides that you'll be getting max-win.

Also it states that it can retrigger during free spins but so far, nobody has had it happen to them yet.
 
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Im just guessing from what i have seen and my own (rather small) number of spins on the game.
But from what ive seen its the same on other PP slots aswell, take Hot fiesta as example.
The videos ive seen of that hitting the max win, they have always gotten the max number of spins for the bonus, and it just keeps spitting out the wilds, but only x5 wilds.
the x2&x3 wilds are suddenly nowhere to be seen, and max win is usually reached long before the bonus is over.

For games that supposedly are random, these max win bonuses behave very strange.

Thats because these sort of games, as discussed many times before are almost certainly scripted like jammin jars etc.

Don't make them any less random, as the whole result was still picked randomly.
 

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Hey Guys,

Since the question of the meaning of the "Bonus" switch is also not yet clarified, I took a closer look at the slot.

When you buy a bonus the server sends the following response:
tw=10.00&fsmul=1&balance=99,632.00&fsmax=8&index=28&balance_cash=99,632.00&purtr=1&balance_bonus=0.00&na=s&fswin=0.00&puri=0&bl=0&stime=1629735760161&fs=1&sh=8&iaw=fs~8~10~5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,8,8,8,8,8,8,8,8,10,10,10,10,10,10,12,12,12,12,12,12;mul~5~10~2,3,5,8,10,15,20,25,2,3,5,8,10,15,20,25,2,3,5,8,10,15,2,3,5,8,10,15&fsres=0.00&st=rect&c=0.10&psym=1~10.00~6,16,17&sw=6&sver=5&g=...
tw = spinCycleWin: 10.00, fsmul = freeSpinCurrentMultiplier: 1, fsmax = freeSpinMaxNumber: 8, fs~8~ = freeSpins: 8, mul~5~ = multiplier: 5

I have tried 10 bonuses and all of them went according to this scheme, unfortunately I have not met any retrigger with which I could say whether it is also predefined, or the sum fsmax is then increased. According to this, the number of freespins as well as the multi are already fixed before the lucky wheel spin, but hopefully a random result from the PP server.

Yes retriggers exist but rare, for example I bought over 1000 bonuses on fruitparty on many casino’s and only hit 10 times 5000 x madame destiny megaways is one of the worst games I think!
In my opinion you are very lucky if you hit 10x max win with 1000 Bonus Buys... When you open the slot, more data about the RTP is transmitted :
gameInfo={rtps:{ante:"96.67",purchase:"96.67",regular:"96.56"},props:{max_rnd_sim:"1",max_rnd_hr:"1071429",max_rnd_win:"5000"}}
Bonus Buys and Spins with Bonus Featuer have a RTP like 96.67 just normal Spins like 96.56 same is written in the help file.
But the important Detail here is "max_rnd_hr" = 1.071.429 Spins for "max_rnd_win" = 5000x
Let's take an average of 300 spins per bonus 1.071.429 Spins / 300 = 3571,42 Bonus Buys for max win... :eek::rolleyes:


Here I found another video with a retrigger but without max Win. Please be careful with the sound, he likes to shout ?
 
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