Why does pragmatic keep making new slots with max win limits discussion?

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I never said it was from of their streamers once...... :)

Might be a mixup then :)

That being said, I felt the disappointment of the guy in that video. He didn't seem to know the bonus would stop at 5000x. To have that amount of spins left with such a multiplier anyone would be, even if you know the cap! Someone telling me otherwise is lying, full stop.
 
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Might be a mixup then :)

That being said, I felt the disappointment of the guy in that video. He didn't seem to know the bonus would stop at 5000x. To have that amount of spins left with such a multiplier anyone would be, even if you know the cap! Someone telling me otherwise is lying, full stop.

Yep that guy must have been totally gutted... It is a shame that pragmatic rep has decided to not take part in this discussion thread or shed any light on why they are capping their most recent slots?!
 

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Yep that guy must have been totally gutted... It is a shame that pragmatic rep has decided to not take part in this discussion thread or shed any light on why they are capping their most recent slots?!

They should atleast program it a little less obvious when you're going to hit the cap. It just leaves a bad taste like this. I'm pretty sure there's players who're going to hit the cap of a game and then never play their slots again because of how it's setup.
 

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They should atleast program it a little less obvious when you're going to hit the cap. It just leaves a bad taste like this. I'm pretty sure there's players who're going to hit the cap of a game and then never play their slots again because of how it's setup.

Yep I agree. I mean I know it states in big letters win upto 5000X on this in the splash screen. But people might not think that is a max win cap either. So the wording is pretty vague...
 

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Are you talking about this win? @DreamRJ
What I find weird is that they get wheels with only 20x and 25x on it :S It's like they are playing a broken version.
Someone else ever seen this wheel?


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Then there's this guy who also seems to play a broken Pragmatic slot, I have never seen this many wilds suddenly pop in.
I looked up other "big wins" on youtube and none of them come close to this number of wilds.

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Pragmatic Play are as dodgy as they were when they were TopGame. Rosh is clearly fake. He clearly gets paid by them to promote their slots. They used his 500k win in advertising on facebook, then quickly removed it when called out on it. They refuse to answer a yes or no question about it in the other thread. If it was legit then why remove it & why not say so? Pretty much every game they release are clones of others.
TopGame removed symbols from the reel strips making it impossible to hit jackpots, which were paid for by players. I've no doubt PP are just as bad, just in different ways.
Playing their games is akin to finding the closest drain and throwing your money down it.
 

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Pragmatic Play are as dodgy as they were when they were TopGame. Rosh is clearly fake. He clearly gets paid by them to promote their slots. They used his 500k win in advertising on facebook, then quickly removed it when called out on it. They refuse to answer a yes or no question about it in the other thread. If it was legit then why remove it & why not say so? Pretty much every game they release are clones of others.
TopGame removed symbols from the reel strips making it impossible to hit jackpots, which were paid for by players. I've no doubt PP are just as bad, just in different ways.
Playing their games is akin to finding the closest drain and throwing your money down it.

TBH I quite like many of their games, and I've had some decent hits on them over the years (nothing major though), although I steer clear of the crazy volatile ones.

They have an aesthetic very much of their own which I find appealing, and often have decent music too.

As for Roshtein, everyone knows he plays with funded accounts so it's all just funny money basically.
 

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I like prags too... and i actually feel more comfortable playing a game with a relatively sane top prize in the region of 5000x.... its at least reasonably within the odds to hit the damn thing! And I have hit the cap on one of their 1000x games.

Look at the San Quentin 150000x - its what 1 in ten billion?
 

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I like prags too... and i actually feel more comfortable playing a game with a relatively sane top prize in the region of 5000x.... its at least reasonably within the odds to hit the damn thing! And I have hit the cap on one of their 1000x games.

Look at the San Quentin 150000x - its what 1 in ten billion?

Its "only" 1:1.833.333.333 :D
 

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They cap the win at 5000x, but the slots are still insanely expensive to play, and take forever to bonus. No idea how they do it, but every time i try one of their games i walk away having lost 150-200x without getting the feature. Big ass bonanza has only 2100x max win, but pays and plays like it's 5 times as much potential as it really has.

It feels like their goal was to be more expensive to play than Novomatic slots on a bad day, and so far they have managed that with every single new game. I used to play the socialtournaments as well, so i have done tens of thousands of spins on their slots.
 

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There are quite few slots on Pragmatic's books with very sensible variance, generally their older releases, look for the ones that have 2 1/2 or 3 of the lightning strike symbols for volatility.
 

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There are quite few slots on Pragmatic's books with very sensible variance, generally their older releases, look for the ones that have 2 1/2 or 3 of the lightning strike symbols for volatility.
Yes, i have had nice sessions on some older pragmatic slots, over 2 years ago. Their variance rating makes no sense anymore either, everything is 4,5/5 or 5/5, regardless of the max win potential. Surely a 180000x max win slot would be higher variance than a 5000x max win slot, but they are both rated at 5/5.
 

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Not necessarily, you can make a volatile game with a relatively modest top prize, a good example would be something like PnG's Multifruit81 which has a top prize of under 2000x stake, but is surprisingly volatile as PnG stacked a lot of the RTP into bigger prizes in the several hundred times stake range. (For the record I quite like Multifruit81, but that's about as volatile as I will play, and you need to be aware of the maths behind the game before getting involved with it.)

I agree that if you're prepared to take high volatility style risks it makes sense to play for high volatility style rewards, I don't really understand the thinking behind making crazy volatile games that have fairly small top prizes, as you're running the risk of a high volatility nightmare session, without the upside of crazy win potential.

Pragmatic seem to have gone down a strange route with their highly volatile games that have smallish top prizes, their argument would (presumably) be that there's a better chance of getting wins in the 1000-5000x stake range (or whatever it is on the game in question), but it's still going to be a very small chance overall, to my mind it'd make more sense to just play something like DOA2, Jammin' Jars, San Quentin etc.
 
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I really like Christmas Carols Megaways which is classed as high variance, a £20 deposit can go on for hours on low stakes. It seems to me all the high variance pragmatics just never pay massive X wins but hold the balance quite well. Whereas other providers with HV you rarely get wins but when you do they are decent, like DOA.
 

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I highlighted the wheel spin at VS bit because you're playing at a casino that will gimp the RTPs of the slots you're playing right under your nose and not tell you about it, but you're complaining about Pragmatic employing entirely transparent and clearly explained max win caps on their slots.

Here's Gates of Olympus at VS:

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And here it is at Unibet:

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The 5000x max win cap is absolutely not the thing I'd be bothered about in this scenario.
Completely agree on that one. IMO, max cap is not a problem at all.

The problem is the screenshot above with different RTP settings, especially when operator change it without any notice. It's a massive difference between 96% and 94% RTP.
 

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On the RTP issue, the UKGC would do well to make it an obligation on the licence holder to make clear on launching a game whether or not the RTP has changed in the last six months (and include a link explaining the effect). And providers should be obliged to show the RTP while loading.

Unrelated to win caps, which are only frustrating if you get one of those bonuses where it could theoretically continue to substantially more. But clearly those rounds are coded to get the blood pumping .
 

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On the RTP issue, the UKGC would do well to make it an obligation on the licence holder to make clear on launching a game whether or not the RTP has changed in the last six months (and include a link explaining the effect). And providers should be obliged to show the RTP while loading.

Unrelated to win caps, which are only frustrating if you get one of those bonuses where it could theoretically continue to substantially more. But clearly those rounds are coded to get the blood pumping .
All providers should be forced to do it as blueprint does it.
List the rtp in the paytable.
I can see no benefit at all using external pages like png and microgaming does.
Almost like it was made so casinos can make 'mistakes' and show the 96% helpfile for a 94% game.
 
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