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Lottomart SOW/ advanced verification. Pending withdrawal

Do any of the AML experts on here want a job? It’s clear that our qualified team and legal advisors are not doing good enough. 🙄

@demas2 I’m clearly not proud of the situation but if you get through our process in 6 days you’ve done well. We’ve made a ton of improvements and I’m hoping that’s the new normal, but it was much longer as others have stated. We are working to improve it.

Have a great evening everyone.
Please let me work as a live chat representative - I will even do it for free just for a weekend.

It will be funny, but I do have to provide you fair warning that you will probably lose customers, but the truspilot reviews will be epic
 
Please let me work as a live chat representative - I will even do it for free just for a weekend.

It will be funny, but I do have to provide you fair warning that you will probably lose customers, but the truspilot reviews will be epic
Sounds like when I get involved!
 
When did you turn into a grumpy old man ;)

I remember you being chilled and fun with a sense of humour :)
I still try to be! I was referring more to my lack of live chat skills, I turn into jelly if I get more than one at a time. :)
 
Please let me work as a live chat representative - I will even do it for free just for a weekend.

It will be funny, but I do have to provide you fair warning that you will probably lose customers, but the truspilot reviews will be epic
I would message a few people in here that have showbiz personalities and throw them a large bonus with a 1x wagering requirement
This evening will do :P
 
What the hell is going on, my friend uses a company called Matchbook (sports betting)for the last 7/8 month, they also asked him for a enhanced verification yesterday, send through documents 11pm last night, just now hes been fully verified, he was not able to deposit or place any bets until verification complete, now ok though. He had also requested a withdrawal prior and got it at 2AM, 3 hours after providing documents for verification

Am i wrong to do be even more frustrated now? I am on the 6th day waiting today from Lottomart, this is no where near normal & i hope you guys don’t take this as spam but I am concerned am being scammed of nearly £2.000. Do people have to beg for their money at lottomart? I have found quite few posts of people waiting months, i hope this is not the case..
 
I know it is frustrating for you. But I know you will not get scammed out of your money. Lottomart are an upstanding operator and are licensed by the UKGC, as well as having a very active rep on the forum here on Casinomeister.

Due to the nature of UKGC regulations, some checks can take longer than initially anticipated.
 
What the hell is going on, my friend uses a company called Matchbook (sports betting)for the last 7/8 month, they also asked him for a enhanced verification yesterday, send through documents 11pm last night, just now hes been fully verified, he was not able to deposit or place any bets until verification complete, now ok though. He had also requested a withdrawal prior and got it at 2AM, 3 hours after providing documents for verification

Am i wrong to do be even more frustrated now? I am on the 6th day waiting today from Lottomart, this is no where near normal & i hope you guys don’t take this as spam but I am concerned am being scammed of nearly £2.000. Do people have to beg for their money at lottomart? I have found quite few posts of people waiting months, i hope this is not the case..
I wouldn't compare other cases as each case is different. There can be complications which slow things down, there are different levels of checks etc. Rest assured the team are on the case with your review and I will continue to keep you updated via direct message.
 
Am i wrong to do be even more frustrated now? I am on the 6th day waiting today from Lottomart, this is no where near normal & i hope you guys don’t take this as spam but I am concerned am being scammed of nearly £2.000. Do people have to beg for their money at lottomart?
you dont have to beg, common.

As for your friend. We don't know the details. Every review is different as every customer is different. Some verifications are straight forward, some aren't.

I know Mark, I know Lottomart. It's a good outfit but they have a backlog. I fully understand that is frustrating, we were once in a same position where all of a sudden the backlog got up to 5 weeks!
 
you dont have to beg, common.

As for your friend. We don't know the details. Every review is different as every customer is different. Some verifications are straight forward, some aren't.

I know Mark, I know Lottomart. It's a good outfit but they have a backlog. I fully understand that is frustrating, we were once in a same position where all of a sudden the backlog got up to 5 weeks!
This is the downsides of using a relatively small company i guess. In my experience over 20 casinos/bookmakers i havent waited more than 24 hours for either a verification or withdrawal
 
Merry Christmas y’all, i just received both my withdrawals.

Big thanks to @Mark_Lottomart for his help.

But my views still remain the same , the wait time is way too long, people should have access to withdrawals, and while a review starts & cant withdraw then they shouldn’t be able to deposit & wager.

Thanks
 
Merry Christmas y’all, i just received both my withdrawals.

Big thanks to @Mark_Lottomart for his help.

But my views still remain the same , the wait time is way too long, people should have access to withdrawals, and while a review starts & cant withdraw then they shouldn’t be able to deposit & wager.

Thanks
Thanks for the update and apologies again for the delay.
 
Merry Christmas y’all, i just received both my withdrawals.

Big thanks to @Mark_Lottomart for his help.

But my views still remain the same , the wait time is way too long, people should have access to withdrawals, and while a review starts & cant withdraw then they shouldn’t be able to deposit & wager.

Thanks
God I must be the most patient of people as 6 days doesn't seem that much an extended period of time to me.

Sometimes politeness gets you somewhere quicker opposed to slating, just saying. I don't necessarily disagree with some of your views, I just don't get agitated over the smaller things in life :)

Now spend your winnings wisely x
 
I know Mark, I know Lottomart. It's a good outfit but they have a backlog. I fully understand that is frustrating, we were once in a same position where all of a sudden the backlog got up to 5 weeks!
It is good, just not as good as ABC (in my humble opinion)

Without Mark being here, they would be in a poorer state
 
Merry Christmas y’all, i just received both my withdrawals.

Big thanks to @Mark_Lottomart for his help.

But my views still remain the same , the wait time is way too long, people should have access to withdrawals, and while a review starts & cant withdraw then they shouldn’t be able to deposit & wager.

Thanks
I understand your frustrations mate, but in the UK 6 days (including 2 of them being over a weekend) isn't the worst for verification. It's not the fastest, but we have seen a lot longer from other providers.

Good to see you got your money (which was always going to happen provided that your documents were ok)
 
He was already verified wasn’t he? Had made several deposits and withdrawals previously.

I think that’s what was annoying him the most.

This ‘enhanced’ verification is new to me despite playing for years at fully licenced uk casinos. Never had it once. So presumably it’s a lottomart thing and not a UKGC enforced procedure?

What exactly is the deal with this and why the need to comb thru people’s bank statements and wage slips when other places don’t? I don’t get it at all.

I remember in another thread somewhere I posted a video of ITV racing’s Matt Chapman interviewing a guy from the UKGC and specifically remember him saying that they are not asking bookmakers to do such things. So why are some doing it and some not?? The video is definitely in here somewhere.

Could Mark explain this? So we can all understand? Why is his casino carrying out these seemingly over zealous checks and others aren’t? I’m curious. Because it’s no wonder there is a back log when the fine tooth comb comes out for everybody after they’ve recycled a few deposits and withdrawals?

Unfortunately this will be putting people off, either signing up or continuing to play there.

Could we have some clarification?
 
He was already verified wasn’t he? Had made several deposits and withdrawals previously.

I think that’s what was annoying him the most.

This ‘enhanced’ verification is new to me despite playing for years at fully licenced uk casinos. Never had it once. So presumably it’s a lottomart thing and not a UKGC enforced procedure?

What exactly is the deal with this and why the need to comb thru people’s bank statements and wage slips when other places don’t? I don’t get it at all.

I remember in another thread somewhere I posted a video of ITV racing’s Matt Chapman interviewing a guy from the UKGC and specifically remember him saying that they are not asking bookmakers to do such things. So why are some doing it and some not?? The video is definitely in here somewhere.

Could Mark explain this? So we can all understand? Why is his casino carrying out these seemingly over zealous checks and others aren’t? I’m curious. Because it’s no wonder there is a back log when the fine tooth comb comes out for everybody after they’ve recycled a few deposits and withdrawals?

Unfortunately this will be putting people off, either signing up or continuing to play there.

Could we have some clarification?
Hey!

All UK regulated entities are expected to do enhanced due dilligence (EDD) for players once their play reaches a certain level or if certain flags are raised. There is no clear guidance on when this needs to be done and each operator will have their own risk thresholds of when it happens. There are many examples of operators who have had a financial penalty imposed for not carrying out these checks.

What the checks entail will vary between operator and also vary based on the player themselves. Some EDD checks can be done without bothering the player (our preferred approach) but often it's neccessary for us to obtain further reassurances from the player. Sometimes this is a conversation, sometimes documents are needed. Quite (possibly too) often, an agent will ask for documents as it's the most robust method (and often easier for us) but can be a pain for the player. We're trying to get better at only requesting what is needed.

We have a backlog currently which I am pleased to say is getting shorter. We've grown the team responsible for the checks and we will continue to grow the team as needed. More importantly however we're also investing in technology (some internal, some third party) to manage this process better.

A player review can take 30 minutes. If someone has one bank, one card, their wages are paid into the same account - brilliant. Nothing to worry about. However if a player is an accountant at a pie shop and a mystery £5,000 is transferred to their account the moment before they deposit, we need to ask further questions. Many players do not have one account, they use multiple cards and the process of identifying the source of funds (our main objective) can be cumbersome for all involved.

An additional challenge is the timing of these things. Let's say player A hits a threshold and we determine docs are needed. He provides them at 6pm. They won't be picked up on our side until the next morning. We may check the docs and at midday we realise he's only sent one page and not the whole document. We ask for another version which the player doesn't see until he finishes work at 6pm again. This process can take 2/3 days if there is back and forward through no fault of ours. We actually have due dilligence teams working in the evening to try and combat this.

As a last note, during this process we also try to review the player from a safer gambling point of view. The previous poster mentioned he had a call asking about declined payments. I assume this was because we were concerned about them from a player protection point of view. In addition, in most cases once we have satisfied our source of wealth question, players will end up with a customised loss limit since we become aware of their actual salary.

I can't go into too much detail for obvious reason but I hope the above helps.

Mark
 
All UK regulated entities are expected to do enhanced due dilligence (EDD) for players once their play reaches a certain level or if certain flags are raised. There is no clear guidance on when this needs to be done and each operator will have their own risk thresholds of when it happens. There are many examples of operators who have had a financial penalty imposed for not carrying out these checks.
And herein lies the issue. It almost feels like entrapment by the UKGC. No wonder situations occur like the ones in this thread.
 
And herein lies the issue. It almost feels like entrapment by the UKGC. No wonder situations occur like the ones in this thread.
I have to say that I can understand why their is no clear guidance. Firstly if it was public knowledge that you have to complete extra checks when (insert criteria) then players would simply stop before that point to avoid the checks. Also, the levels need to be set by an operator at a level which suits their business.

If you're a business who attracts high rollers, you may do more due dilligence on account opening and therefore won't need to do it at a later stage. A business that only has customers who spend £50 a month on average, may want to do the due dilligence at a later stage? If the GC said "You must check x when a customer has deposited y" then it wouldn't neccessarily work as a one-size-fits-all approach.
 
He was already verified wasn’t he? Had made several deposits and withdrawals previously.

I think that’s what was annoying him the most.

This ‘enhanced’ verification is new to me despite playing for years at fully licenced uk casinos. Never had it once. So presumably it’s a lottomart thing and not a UKGC enforced procedure?

What exactly is the deal with this and why the need to comb thru people’s bank statements and wage slips when other places don’t? I don’t get it at all.

I remember in another thread somewhere I posted a video of ITV racing’s Matt Chapman interviewing a guy from the UKGC and specifically remember him saying that they are not asking bookmakers to do such things. So why are some doing it and some not?? The video is definitely in here somewhere.

Could Mark explain this? So we can all understand? Why is his casino carrying out these seemingly over zealous checks and others aren’t? I’m curious. Because it’s no wonder there is a back log when the fine tooth comb comes out for everybody after they’ve recycled a few deposits and withdrawals?

Unfortunately this will be putting people off, either signing up or continuing to play there.

Could we have some clarification?
Ive had to do EDD a few times mate - sometimes more than once with the same company, especially after a big win or if certain thresholds have been hit.

I try to keep it really simple now - only deposit from my main account that my salary goes into - once or twice ive been asked to provide further infromation on my savings (e.g. copies of my investments/premium bonds etc.) - its a pain but I often find that if you send everything that is requested and the documents are readable then they usually get processed quickly - its when there are multiple income transacations etc. it becomes a bit harder
 
Just to add to this as awell, the EDD does not just apply to online casinos. I tend to find online casinos always get called out, but I have also had to go through the process at most major UK bricks and mortar casinos (Grosvenor, Aspers, Napoleons and Genting) but there process is a bit quicker (basically take docs into casino, they check them and say no problems
 
100% Agree. If a casino cannot verify source of funds or youre going through the process for a withdrawal. Then how can the same casino accept deposits with the same cash? Protecting the player? Yeah ok...

Glad to hear you have been paid out.

Fortunately, Mark was on hand to help. I dread to think what goes on for those customers of Lottomart who do not use this forum.

All the best - enjoy your winnings.
 
100% Agree. If a casino cannot verify source of funds or youre going through the process for a withdrawal. Then how can the same casino accept deposits with the same cash? Protecting the player? Yeah ok...

Glad to hear you have been paid out.

Fortunately, Mark was on hand to help. I dread to think what goes on for those customers of Lottomart who do not use this forum.

All the best - enjoy your winnings.
Fortunately Mark is not just looking after individuals on here and in fact I didn’t do hardly anything to assist this case. I have confidence in the team and try not to get involved for individual queries unless there is a serious problem. If you’d bother to read previous posts you’d understand we are aware of the issues and making improvements.

Have a great evening.
 
Fortunately Mark is not just looking after individuals on here and in fact I didn’t do hardly anything to assist this case. I have confidence in the team and try not to get involved for individual queries unless there is a serious problem. If you’d bother to read previous posts you’d understand we are aware of the issues and making improvements.

Have a great evening.
Mark,

Your tone is awful for somebody who works in customer service.

There have been several valid points raised through the course of this thread, but you've only responded to the easier ones, shall we say.

I'm not sure why you take everything personally to heart. Like you say yourself, you've done hardly anything to assist this case - so why get your back up?

I am glad to hear you are aware of the issues and are making improvements, hopefully less posts about the Lottomart KYC/SOW/EDD process.

For the record, are you able to answer my previous query?

If a customer is unable to withdraw until you verify their source of funds, why are you still taking deposits from the same customers, using the same funds?
 
Mark,

Your tone is awful for somebody who works in customer service.

There have been several valid points raised through the course of this thread, but you've only responded to the easier ones, shall we say.

I'm not sure why you take everything personally to heart. Like you say yourself, you've done hardly anything to assist this case - so why get your back up?

I am glad to hear you are aware of the issues and are making improvements, hopefully less posts about the Lottomart KYC/SOW/EDD process.

For the record, are you able to answer my previous query?

If a customer is unable to withdraw until you verify their source of funds, why are you still taking deposits from the same customers, using the same funds?
Yawn. I don’t really have much interest in your opinion of my tone. I also don’t work in customer service. My team do a much better job than me.

I don’t have any incentive to answer detailed questions about our internal processes on here and yes I answer those that are less likely to cause controversy. If that’s a problem for you I can only apologise. All I will say is that I am happy that we are acting in accordance with the regulations.

I’m starting to wonder why any rep would bother to comment at all on here just to be lambasted.
 
Simple solution. You request documents. Withdrawls allowed. Deposits not allowed till completed. Problem solved

Wow! This is such a great idea and completely within the regulations and provides the best customer journey. Thanks for your input.
 
Wow! This is such a great idea and completely within the regulations and provides the best customer journey. Thanks for your input.
I'm usually on team SYPlayer95 but I have personally enjoyed reading through the last few pages of this thread solely due to your responses. I love when you and Jan come with a bit of bite.
 
Mark,

Your tone is awful for somebody who works in customer service.

There have been several valid points raised through the course of this thread, but you've only responded to the easier ones, shall we say.

I'm not sure why you take everything personally to heart. Like you say yourself, you've done hardly anything to assist this case - so why get your back up?

I am glad to hear you are aware of the issues and are making improvements, hopefully less posts about the Lottomart KYC/SOW/EDD process.

For the record, are you able to answer my previous query?

If a customer is unable to withdraw until you verify their source of funds, why are you still taking deposits from the same customers, using the same funds?
What was so awful about his tone? Read it twice and it comes across as polite to me
Wow! This is such a great idea and completely within the regulations and provides the best customer journey. Thanks for your input.

Rise above it :)
 
I have to say that I can understand why their is no clear guidance. Firstly if it was public knowledge that you have to complete extra checks when (insert criteria) then players would simply stop before that point to avoid the checks. Also, the levels need to be set by an operator at a level which suits their business.
This makes no sense though. As an operator are you happy gambling with multi million pound fines if you interpret something incorrectly? The UKGC sure are happy to pounce on what they can it seems.

Also whether or not an arbitrary limit is publicised, it’s still a limit that money launderers and problem gamblers will hit fairly quickly. I don’t see how the UKGC prescribing a limit, and publicising that limit, would change anything.
 
This makes no sense though. As an operator are you happy gambling with multi million pound fines if you interpret something incorrectly? The UKGC sure are happy to pounce on what they can it seems.

Also whether or not an arbitrary limit is publicised, it’s still a limit that money launderers and problem gamblers will hit fairly quickly. I don’t see how the UKGC prescribing a limit, and publicising that limit, would change anything.
Its kind of strange how the EDD limits work - on some sites I have been hit with EDD after depositing £1k - with another provider I have deposited/withdrawn circa £50k in the last year and never been asked to go through EDD

I would be interested to know if there is a preset amount, or if it is more of a casinos interpretation/their own decided limits

@L&L-Jan @Mark_Lottomart without revealing too much information around internal processes, would you be able to say if EDD is triggered by a set amount/risk profiling by UKGC or is it more of an internal control measure that your repective brands implement, as it does appear to be triggered at different levels (understand completley if you can't answer)
 
I’ve now had the discomfort of having read through this entire thread. From what I see there were some slowdowns in Lottomart’s processes which was openly declared and apologised for by the rep more than once. In response to his several candid, informative and restrained responses he gets things like this fired at him as if he was some low-life clip-joint operator caught with his pants down:

... most of the time people do send back what requested from them as they want to get paid ASAP. ...

You have no clue if this is true or not. In fact it seldom is true: for instance in our PAB work players can take days, weeks or longer to answer the simplest questions when it was them that came to us in the first place and we’re trying to help them get their money (or whatever). Speculations like this ought to be prefaced with “I would think” and ended with “but I really have no clue and am only guessing”.

I respectfully suggest that you show a little respect for the rep’s willingness to be here to help. Harassing them endlessly because you want something faster than you are getting it is not an option. As the rep himself has said, why should he (or any other rep) be here if all they’re going to get is shit and abuse from impatient, rude and ill-informed players? Simple, they won’t, and then you’ll have no reps here to help.

The reps don’t have to be here, they volunteer their time to do so because it helps players like you and in doing that it helps their business. Please remember that in your future dealings with the reps here at Casinomeister.

… This ‘enhanced’ verification is new to me despite playing for years at fully licenced uk casinos. Never had it once. So presumably it’s a lottomart thing and not a UKGC enforced procedure? ...

I don’t doubt that you are an experienced player and are well familiar with the circumstances surrounding your level of play. That does not make you a casino expert with detailed insight into the circumstances surrounding cases that have little or nothing in common with your experience. The reps are here to help and they have every reason to be pissed off when that offer to help turns into a 3rd rate grilling by someone who has little or no actual knowledge of issues at hand. EDD is a thing whether you’re familiar with it or not; automatically assuming that it is something invented by this casino to mess with players is disrespectful and uncalled for.

By all means, feel free to ask for insight into the issues in play, you’ll find that if you’re polite about it the rep will likely be in a position to enlighten you, as this rep has done several times throughout the course of this discussion.

… Your tone is awful for somebody who works in customer service.

There have been several valid points raised through the course of this thread, but you've only responded to the easier ones, shall we say. ...

I’m not sure where you got the idea that this rep or any other is a fair target for your attacks but you are mistaken in that. Your respect toward this rep or any other is required and not optional: if you can’t be respectful then take it somewhere else. Openly and routinely disrespecting the reps is not welcome and will not be tolerated.

As to your accusations against this rep: not only are you quite wrong — the rep answered pretty much every question asked of him, and politely in spite of the provocations — but you appear to think that this is a game of “smack a rep” which you are free to play. See above: respect the reps or shove off.

I could repeat a bunch of what the rep has already said but what’s the point? Enhanced Due Diligence is a thing and is here to stay, thanks to the UKGC rules. Yes it takes time — sometime months if things are going badly — and nobody likes it, obviously. Railing against the rep and telling him “how it is” is not going to change anything and has proven more than once in this thread to be little more than an opportunity for the dogmatically misinformed to embarrass themselves.

- Max
 
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… would you be able to say if EDD is triggered by a set amount/risk profiling by UKGC or is it more of an internal control measure that your repective brands implement, as it does appear to be triggered at different levels (understand completley if you can't answer)
Mark has already answered that question in some detail, see post #119.

- Max
 
Its kind of strange how the EDD limits work - on some sites I have been hit with EDD after depositing £1k - with another provider I have deposited/withdrawn circa £50k in the last year and never been asked to go through EDD

I would be interested to know if there is a preset amount, or if it is more of a casinos interpretation/their own decided limits

@L&L-Jan @Mark_Lottomart without revealing too much information around internal processes, would you be able to say if EDD is triggered by a set amount/risk profiling by UKGC or is it more of an internal control measure that your repective brands implement, as it does appear to be triggered at different levels (understand completley if you can't answer)
Only deposit thresholds we use mate. For responsible gaming team I recently finished a risk calculator, but that wont result in edd request. Will just expose those we need to protect.
 
… I don’t doubt that you are an experienced player and are well familiar with the circumstances surrounding your level of play. That does not make you a casino expert with detailed insight into the circumstances surrounding cases that have little or nothing in common with your experience. The reps are here to help and they have every reason to be pissed off when that offer to help turns into a 3rd rate grilling by someone who has little or no actual knowledge of issues at hand. EDD is a thing whether you’re familiar with it or not; automatically assuming that it is something invented by this casino to mess with players is disrespectful and uncalled for.

By all means, feel free to ask for insight into the issues in play, you’ll find that if you’re polite about it the rep will likely be in a position to enlighten you, as this rep has done several times throughout the course of this discussion. ...
Erm regarding ur points about my posts???

I was never disrespectful at all, I was merely pointing out that despite playing thru huge sums of money over the last 8 years at the casinos I have played at I had never experienced anything like the experiences that numerous threads about lottomart have highlighted.

At no point did I say I was a casino expert, certainly running one! But I’ve had plenty of experiences playing at them!!

And it has been made clear by both mark and Jan that the operators do set their limits and thresholds of when these intrusive checks take place. So again I must of been extremely lucky to avoid them have I not??

I asked mark to confirm a few things which he did because presumably he could see thad I wasn’t hounding him or insulting him I was curious about how these things come about.

That is all. Jeez
 
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