$lotland - well what do you know

[Slotmachine]

How's this for a nightmare (no screenshot though)

Played "Heavy Metal" slot for several hours. On two occasions I forgot to bet on a particular history line (a line with locked symbols with an optional bet). And guess what - on one occasion I got the $ $ $ which would have paid $320. And on the second occasion....JACKPOT! 777 777 777.
Right there on the line that I did not bet on. Running at $51381.00

Random? My ass. They never would have hit had I bet on those lines. I had bet on two $ $ .. symbols and two 777 777 symbols dozens of times that night on the history lines.

OK, so maybe it's a coincidence, it's within the realm of possibility. But what are the odds of a jackpot combination? Royals go at 44000 to 1 against or something like that, let's assume the slot jackpot is the same. What are the odds of me hitting 2/3 locked jackpot symbols like 30 times, and then forgetting to place a bet once, and then hitting the jackpot?

Of course, slotland games are weighted, I know that. They admit that even their video pokers don't deliver royals naturally, but in a jackpot-weighted manner. But it truly stinks that they give you the jackpot symbols on zero-bet lines.
Perhaps better to take the money and run. VH

 

[sw2003]

Don't get too worked up about this! We all know that had you bet that line, the jackpot would have never come. They are just playing games with you!
I wouldn't lose any sleep on it!

How's this for a nightmare (no screenshot though)

Played "Heavy Metal" slot for several hours. On two occasions I forgot to bet on a particular history line (a line with locked symbols with an optional bet). And guess what - on one occasion I got the $ $ $ which would have paid $320. And on the second occasion....JACKPOT! 777 777 777.
Right there on the line that I did not bet on. Running at $51381.00

Random? My ass. They never would have hit had I bet on those lines. I had bet on two $ $ .. symbols and two 777 777 symbols dozens of times that night on the history lines.

OK, so maybe it's a coincidence, it's within the realm of possibility. But what are the odds of a jackpot combination? Royals go at 44000 to 1 against or something like that, let's assume the slot jackpot is the same. What are the odds of me hitting 2/3 locked jackpot symbols like 30 times, and then forgetting to place a bet once, and then hitting the jackpot?

Of course, slotland games are weighted, I know that. They admit that even their video pokers don't deliver royals naturally, but in a jackpot-weighted manner. But it truly stinks that they give you the jackpot symbols on zero-bet lines.
Perhaps better to take the money and run. VH

 

[m249a]

It's ok, I would have been pretty pissed too......In fact I think I would have launched my cpu tower down the steps and then jumped on it a few times.................Its for the best you don't have a screen shot anyway. It would just piss you off every time you looked at it.

 

[thetest32]

Don't worry - I remember having a chat with a representative of theirs (Ray St. John - marketing) who admitted that the machines give a jackpot in situations like that (I.E. where you forget to bet). Guess it's to make you think 'if only I had bet on that line...' and the lose loads.

But yeah... don't worry!

B.

 

[caruso]

Anyone insane enough to be patronizing, or considering patronizing, this rogue outfit should have a little read of this thread:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/slotland-fraudulent-video-poker-games.5371/?t=5371

Aside from the disgraceful matters raised above, this is the single WORST casino on the net in terms of game payback. I would advocate Warren Cloud casinos before this place - based on the rationale that a casino that MIGHT pay but with a few quality games is infinitely better than a casino that WILL pay but with zero-return games. The former gamble is the better one.

Stay away from Slotland.

 

[dominique]

On two occasions I forgot to bet on a particular history line (a line with locked symbols with an optional bet).

All slots are like that. They all tease you. "I almost won" is the most common thing slots players say. It's what slots are all about - an emotional roller coaster.

Most slots with progressives, if you don't bet all lines and the winning combo comes up, you get zilch.

The only advice one needs to play slots in the most rational manner possible is to always bet the maximum lines. If you can't afford it, choose a lower denomination slot.

 

[GrandMaster]

All slots are like that. They all tease you. "I almost won" is the most common thing slots players say.

A fair slot machine will give you lot more near misses than hits, that's just simple mathematics. The claim is the Slotland's software is programmed to give you the jackpot on the lines you did not bet on, if true, this is dishonest behaviour.

 

[dominique]

Somehow I think there are not a lot of slots players posting in this thread.

I am sure Slotland did not have a built in sensor that said - "aha, he didn't bet the extra line. Let's put a perfect score on it". That is baloney and I would like to see anyone prove it.

The line where the jackpot appears - in almost all multi line or feature slots everywhere - is an extra bet. If you don't bet it, you don't get it.

That is why I said before, and I have told people over and over, if you play slots pick a denomination machine where you can afford to always bet on all lines. If you don't make the maximum bet you will see yourself missing the big one some day.

Slotland has slots that are a bit different and more challenging - that is why they have such a loyal following despite the HTML software being unpopular because it is slow. They have features that are different from all others out there and some need you to actually pay attention and make decisions. Some are actually quite ingenious.

I think Slotland will be around as the classic it is for many years to come. Microgaming slots are really pretty much all the same - with different graphics and sounds. Crypto has some with interesting features. Iglobal has some quirky and unique features. Playtech doesn't turn me on with their slots. I'll play Slotland over Playtech anytime.

 

[Petunia]

vesihiisi: A nightmare indeed!!

I'd be upset too! Prolly do what m249a suggested, and then ... erm,
go back and play some more.

I have to admid, I like playing slots, but only on a 'retard' day, where I don't feel like thinking, or doing much.

Better game next time?

 

[virtualted]

I agree with dominique 100%. Sometimes when you look at the progressive jackpots when they become too large it is not that they are over due, or that he casino has them set to never hit. Sometimes the jackpot combination gets hit, but with out maximum coins in, it does not reset. I have one slot that has been hit twice without full coins in, so the jackpot keeps growing, but it does not mean it is over due.
Ted
www.thevirtualcasino.com

 

[dominique]

By the way, someone just won the Slotland Jackpot earlier this month - on the 13th or thereabouts.

A very lucky student, and one of the youngest online winners to date, has won a progressive jackpot, worth $111,652 at Slotland.com.

Miss Kannonbell (her username), a 20-year-old student from North America, has managed an out of this world experience when her planets lined up (literally). The machine she was playing on at the time was called Magic, which is a five-line slot, and one of nine machines that participate in the Slotland.com progressive jackpot.

 

[jpm]

Well this certainly won't hurt the casino, since they are raking in the money from their video SLOT machines that they intentionally mislabel as video poker machines.

 

[GrandMaster]

By the way, someone just won the Slotland Jackpot earlier this month - on the 13th or thereabouts.

I am not disputing that people win the jckpot occasionally. I repeat my question. Is benroles' statement true, does Slotland deliberately give you the jackpot symbols on the lines you did not bet on?

 

[dominique]

I would like to see proof of that. I simply don't believe it - what is the point? To make you feel bad?

Slots are designed to be an emotional roller coaster anyway. They don't need any help in that.

 

[caruso]

This is a matter of trivial importance in comparison to the matter of deception and false advertising this casino practices. Slots are already "rigged"; what does it matter that they may be "double rigged"?

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Click on "card games" and read the first five lines. This matter was brought up some time ago, and NOTHING has been altered. Affiliate pressure would quickly replace this flagrant deception with more appropriate, accurate wording, explaining that the JOB game is a SLOT.

So in case anyone wonders why affiliate pressure is so conspicuously absent, check this out:

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25% of the drop - deposits, not losses. That's a pretty spectacular affy deal. $250 for every $1000 deposited.

This is one cash-cow that isn't going to be subjected to any affiliate molestation any time soon. As such, bereft of any assistance, players really should ALL take it upon themselves to boycott CHEATING casinos like this until they change their ways and their practice of flagrantly deceiptpful advertising.

Stay away from Slotland.

 

[trade]

not so random...

I would like to see proof of that. I simply don't believe it - what is the point? To make you feel bad?

Slots are designed to be an emotional roller coaster anyway. They don't need any help in that.

The answer is yes, it is deliberate. Ray (one of the owners) and Robert have acknowledged that a jackpot "win" (not) can and do show up on lines not bet on. If you ask them directly, you will find out it is no secret, but it is obviously very deceiving to newbees- I fell for it once upon a time.

 

[dominique]

a jackpot "win" (not) can and do show up on lines not bet on.

Of course it does!

It does so on every slot out there!

Caruso, I haven't had a check from Slotland in months. Stop with your accusations and insinuations - you understand nothing of the affiliate business. I happen to like Slotland. I also like Webcam and Omnii and Inetbet and will defend them when you attack them. And likely a few others. Some of these I don't even advertise, like inetbet.

You guys don't understand slots. You need to learn some before you level attacks at them.

I generally stay out of BJ attacks - while I play well, I do not understand all the statistical stuff. You should do the same when you don't understand something.

 

[Petunia]

Hell knows no fury...... Like a gambler scorned!

 

[DeMango]

I'm sorry but I must be missing something here. Slots pay out what 90-95%? We have a slot mislabled on purpose as Video Poker, therefore misrepresenting the payout by 5-10% I'm sitting here as I type, in the bowels of the Four Queens(downtown Vegas). I see them wall to wall playing slots and not doing too well. You are quite right Dominique I (we) do not understand slots. But I understand the thievery that goes on here. Sorry.....

 

[jyde]

When I played at Slotland it was always Spacejacks - once or twice I would have won the jackpot if *only* I had bet all three hands A friend of mine who I introduced to Slotland *would* have won the jackpot the very first time he played there...if only he had bet all three hands

 

[dominique]

Yep.

Like I always tell everyone who is off to playing any slots anyplace - always bet the max. If you cannot bet the max, choose a lower denomination slot.

It is the only "strategy" one has to know to play slots.

 

[jyde]

Yep.

Like I always tell everyone who is off to playing any slots anyplace - always bet the max. If you cannot bet the max, choose a lower denomination slot.

It is the only "strategy" one has to know to play slots.

Well - we were playing Spacejack - the cardgame

 

[Macgyver]

Well - we were playing Spacejack - the cardgame

I'd be willing to bet that Spacejack isn't a "true" cardgame, just like Video Poker in Slotland isn't a true Video Poker game.

 

[dominique]

I am quite sure everything at Slotland is a Slot game. That is why it is called Slotland. It only carries slots. At least that I what I would assume.

 

[jpm]

I am quite sure everything at Slotland is a Slot game. That is why it is called Slotland. It only carries slots. At least that I what I would assume.

Yes, that's what you'd assume UNTIL you read their description of their 'video poker' machines that state that they play just like the vegas machines of the same name. Unless you dig way down into the fine print of the website, you believe you're playing a VP machine. Its misleading an unnecessary. They could simply rename it to Jacks or Better Video SLOTS if they weren't trying to deceive players.

 

[dominique]

I never assumed anything other than it operating on a slot priciple. Same for slot that is similair to BJ which they have had a long time. But I agree, a change of the name to Jacks or Better Video Poker Slot or something like that is a good idea since obviously some people make wrong assumptions.

 

[paul02085]

Slotland

I am positive that they do have it set up so that jackpots hit on unbet lines. Its just to keep people playing and losing more money because they "came so close" to hitting the jackpot. In fact i am almost positive that some of the regulatory bodies in the US have specific rules that prevent casinos from setting up their machines to constantly "come close" to paying off jackpots or big wins for that very reason.
Obviously noone is going to make online casinos do this which is probably why the head guys have no problem admitting this is the case.

 

[dominique]

The "almost win" is what gives slotplayers the thrill.
It lets the adrenalin flow as you are in momentary suspense. This then gets counteracted by released endorphins.

I read an article once on the physical effects of gambling and this alternating release of adrenalin - endorphins is what makes the attraction. Slots players like the almost hits - they are part of why one plays.

Slots are played predominantly by women - altough I hear lately more and more males play too. Slots are kind of the opposite of poker - emotions are flying high and the "almost win" is needed to make it so.

Some people like slots, some don't. They are a sort of a high. I like them when I am in the mood for them - but usually I play BJ. I do intersperse slots though, they cut the boredom I get invariably with BJ.

Slots without "almost wins" would be worthless and boring and no one would play them.

 

[mitch]

I also get bored with Bj. However I like to win not gamble. I make $2000-2500 a month playing internet Bj spending about 16 hours a month playing. The idea that I should lose ***$ a month playing internet slots to reduce my boredom levels just does not appeal to me.
Guess I will have to stay bored

 

[caruso]

I know little of the ins and outs of the affy business, but I am blessed with literacy. From your own affiliate website, I learned that Slotland pay their affiliates 25% of DEPOSITS.

And you haven't had a cheque in months.

But you have a bunch of happy Slotland players.

Okey dokey.

In exactly which part of the affiliate business does my "lack of knowledge" cause me to trip me up, in any of the above? I would appear to be calling it correctly.

When cheating players get picked up on it's hell, fire and brimstone. But cheating casinos are allowed to go on and on cheating. This matter was publically aired in that other thread a LONG time ago, and it's an absolute DISGRACE. Slotland should have done something the moment they got caught out - yet they've still changed nothing, months down the road. Apparently, it's perfectly acceptable for them to go on cheating players. And of course, 25% affiliate slice of gross deposits is nothing to do with the latter fact.

In the face of this ramapant industry corruption, is it really so surprising to that players cheat? Rather than shaking heads, wagging fingers and patting yourselves of your backs when you catch some poor sucker like whatsisname in the Bellerock thread, look to your side of the street. That is where the problem lies. Cheating casinos like Slotland mean cheating players. You can't have it both ways. While casinos cheat players, players will gladly return the favour.

Stay away from Slotland.

 

[snuf419]

Well said Caruso

Might offend somebody but this is just my opinion, I think $lotland is really a piece of garbage. I mean let alone their customer support or even fairness of the games, the 'software' is totally obsolete and it wasn't even 'okay' for its age to begin with. Look at how the graphics and stuff loads....ill!!

Really have trouble understanding why people still play there when they can easily download and install a 1mb casino OR play elsewhere that offer no-download games that require the same hardware requirements: like Cherry or something.

 

[Stanford]

I know little of the ins and outs of the affy business, but I am blessed with literacy. From your own affiliate website, I learned that Slotland pay their affiliates 25% of DEPOSITS.

And you haven't had a cheque in months.

But you have a bunch of happy Slotland players.

Okey dokey.

In exactly which part of the affiliate business does my "lack of knowledge" cause me to trip me up, in any of the above? I would appear to be calling it correctly.
When cheating players get picked up on it's hell, fire and brimstone. But cheating casinos are allowed to go on and on cheating. This matter was publically aired in that other thread a LONG time ago, and it's an absolute DISGRACE. Slotland should have done something the moment they got caught out - yet they've still changed nothing, months down the road. Apparently, it's perfectly acceptable for them to go on cheating players. And of course, 25% affiliate slice of gross deposits is nothing to do with the latter fact.

...Stay away from Slotland.

I may be an affilliate myself soon. If I get off my duff and get my site running, but you are correct in that unfair gaming practices don't always get resovled.

I think that what happens now is that casinos simply wait and let the offending reports drift off the site. An example is that row with Megan at Fortune Lounge over the neteller bonus. They are applying to the smallest bonus first to forfit the biggest bonus in contradiction to their own Ts&Cs.

There are some of us that have been around a long time. I still think a players union that set real standards of fairness is long overdue. We need a way to catalouge unresolved complaints that show up and then fade away. I would be willing to work on such a project with long term players if there is an interest. We would need to develope standards of fair play that we could apply regardless of affiliation. And while I think the Union would be synergistic with the watchdog sites, I suspect we would have differences in endorsement, less differences in bad boy listings and more differences in warnings.

Stanford

 

[sw2003]

their description of their 'video poker' machines that state that they play just like the vegas machines of the same name.

What is wrong with that statement? You always come out a loser when you gamble which is exactly what the vegas machines do!

 

[DeMango]

There is NOTHING wrong with that statement! Some machines pay out MORE than 100% Go ahead, open mouth insert hoof.

 

[KasinoKing]

I only played $lotland once - 3 years ago.
At the time it was the biggest pile of pooh since those dinosaur droppings in Jurassic Park!
I haven't been back since, but I would imagine it's probably just grown into a bigger, smellier pile of pooh!

I may be an affilliate myself soon. If I get off my duff and get my site running, but you are correct in that unfair gaming practices don't always get resovled.
I think that what happens now is that casinos simply wait and let the offending reports drift off the site. An example is that row with Megan at Fortune Lounge over the neteller bonus. They are applying to the smallest bonus first to forfit the biggest bonus in contradiction to their own Ts&Cs.
There are some of us that have been around a long time. I still think a players union that set real standards of fairness is long overdue. We need a way to catalouge unresolved complaints that show up and then fade away. I would be willing to work on such a project with long term players if there is an interest. We would need to develope standards of fair play that we could apply regardless of affiliation. And while I think the Union would be synergistic with the watchdog sites, I suspect we would have differences in endorsement, less differences in bad boy listings and more differences in warnings.

Nice idea - hope it works out.
I personally haven't had ANY problems since I stopped using RTG and started reading ALL the T&C's before playing anywhere - but others have, and some do need the sort of help you are offering.
Good on ya mate!

 

[DealerBusts]

I only played $lotland once - 3 years ago.
At the time it was the biggest pile of pooh since those dinosaur droppings in Jurassic Park!

Precisely the same experience for me too. I saw some positive comments on various message boards a year ago so i deposited and could not believe my eyes. I thought time travel was impossible but just from seeing the graphics, i swear i had gone back 5-10 years. Horrible looking games; slow and static.

Payout was horrible too. I must have lost my $100 deposit and the bonus in about 15 minutes. I am sure that they pay winners quickly but that wouldn't surprise me since so many people must go away as losers.

 

[GrandMaster]

What is wrong with that statement? You always come out a loser when you gamble which is exactly what the vegas machines do!

No. Video poker is a game involving both luck and skill. The strategy assumes that any set of initial 5 cards have the same probability, and that after the discard, the probability of drawing any combination of the remaining cards is the same. If a machine does not play like this, it should not be called video poker. I think it is clear that Slotland's "video poker" is not true video poker.

The payout of the machine can be calculated, for full pay jacks or better it should be 99.54% and not anything less. I am happy to play a machine that pays out 99.54%, but not one that pays 95%.

Unlike caruso, I don't consider all slot machines rigged.

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describes how slot machines work or ought to work. The Wizard designed several online slots, so he should know. I will accept anything that works according to these principles as fair. I still would not play it because of the low return, but that's another issue. The main point is that the outcome should only depend on the RNG, not on whether you bet maximum coins or whether you bet on a particular line. If the probability of 3 jackpot symbols on a line is 1 in a million when you have maximum coins on that line, but 1 in 1000 when you did not bet maximum coins, it is dishonest. It could mislead the player into thinking that the return of the machine is much higher than it really is, maybe that it is even over 100%, and induce him to bet more by covering all lines with maximum coins.

 

[paul02085]

I agree. Slotlands games remind me of back when Pong and Space Invaders were big video games. Is mind boggling that people like them.

 

[caruso]

I don't mean to imply that "rigging" the slots, tampering with the mechanism, isn't a serious issue. My angle was simply that since slots are already "rigged" insofar as the combinations are not achieved by a random spin, additional tampering is just more of the same. That is clearly incorrect. If they ARE tampering with the mechanism to manufacture hits on non-bet lines, it's a very serious matter and noone should think otherwise. However, it's going to impossible to prove and it DILUTES the far more serious issue of the the deception they practise on their customers with the flagrantly false claim to deal a genuine JOB game. This is by FAR the more serious issue as far as I can see, because the dollar value is far greater and affects far more players. Only slot players would be affected by this "hits on non-bet lines" business, whereas many, many additional video poker players, seeing that gargantuan jackpot coupled with the "you may try your luck at the Jacks Or Better, the classic video poker game...our pay table for this game is the highest and most generous in the industry" statement are going to lose a lot of money through this disgraceful deception.

Be in no doubt that Slotland can afford to pay their affiliates 25% of gross deposits because of this deception. THIS is the issue that needs addressing.

Slotland, who are prominent sponsors of Casinomeister, who have commented on issues raised in the recent past in the forum here and who have been MADE AWARE OF THIS ISSUE BY BRYAN, are totally silent and have changed NOTHING. Apparently this level of deceipt and false-advertising - which would have serious implications in the real world - is acceptable to them.

I would very much like to hear what the Slotland rep, Hannah, has to say on this matter.

 

[dominique]

Not that is is any of your business, Caruso, but gamesandcasino has been under reconstruction since it was hacked and much was destroyed and I have not done any advertising in months.

Re. happy players: Have had them at Slotland for years. And there is a very popular free version of Slotland. Contrary to your limited views, not everything surrounding affiliates has something to do with money.

Re, Jurassic park: Good. I call it classic.

Caruso - I have gotten so tired of your agression that I will not answer to your posts anymore. I will post in the same thread if I have something to say, but I will not engage with you anymore. Thankfully you are not around at B2G or WOL anymore.

Hannah would be very foolish to post in a thread where you post.

 

[sw2003]

I agree. Slotlands games remind me of back when Pong and Space Invaders were big video games. Is mind boggling that people like them.

People like Pong and Space Invaders because they were state of the art video games then. There were nothing better at the time. Without them, there would be no Xbox, no Playstation, no GameCube, no PC games ... blah blah ....

What I don't understand is why you mention Space Invaders and Pong in the same sentence as Slotland? What is the connection?

 

[dominique]

Slotland has the original game software - HTML coding.

It is slower and not as polished, but it can do some very interesting things that modern things cannot or do not do.

Slotland Slots have unique features that get triggered by certain combinations that make the individual slots completely unique.

They can be played on all platforms, and there are several that cannot play at any of the modern casinos.

I think there is an age group that prefers HTML games also - Slotland has a small cult following.

 

[sw2003]

Slotland has the original game software - HTML coding.

It is slower and not as polished, but it can do some very interesting things that modern things cannot or do not do.

Slotland Slots have unique features that get triggered by certain combinations that make the individual slots completely unique.

They can be played on all platforms, and there are several that cannot play at any of the modern casinos.

I think there is an age group that prefers HTML games also - Slotland has a small cult following.

Very strange choice of word there! I wouldn't call anything HTML not modern since it has been around for less than a decade.

 

[dominique]

Yeah, I guess.

But in programming things become dinosaurs very quickly.

There are very few HTML games around anymore. In the casino world, it's Slotland, a couple of Iglobal casinos have the option, a couple of rogues do, and one group that I have no idea who runs them.

I get frequently get mail from people looking for HTML games because they are the only thing that will work on their platforms. The casinos I recommend then are Slotland and Iglobal. I play both of these myself.

 

[sw2003]

Yeah, I guess.

I get frequently get mail from people looking for HTML games because they are the only thing that will work on their platforms. The casinos I recommend then are Slotland and Iglobal. I play both of these myself.

Those people are called Mac users!

 

[jetset]

QUOTE Not that is is any of your business, Caruso, but gamesandcasino has been under reconstruction since it was hacked and much was destroyed and I have not done any advertising in months.UNQUOTE

This is interesting in the light of Lanidar's post elsewhere here regarding his forum being destroyed. Was there any apparent reason/suspects and was your forum attacked as well Dominique?

 

[Slotster!]

There's a lot of machines in Las Vegas that have a payout schedule as follows:

First coin: All the BAR wins
Second Coin: The SEVEN wins or SYMBOL wins
Third Coin: All the wins, plus a (small) progressive

It's not at all unusual to see the progressive win, or some of the smaller seven wins spin in when only playing one coin, in fact it happens regularly in my experience.

These machines are often themed to the casino in which they're placed, but they pretty much play exactly the same. (Roman Rewards in Ceasars, Monte Carlo slots in the Monte Carlo, Ballys WILD PARTY etc etc)... I always just assumed this is what they did and part of the 'fun' of playing slot machines, never really saw it as a rip off as such.

 

[The Dude]

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Please note that all games share the same mechanism which determines the jackpot win. Thus, with card games, the probability of hitting the jackpot combination is not natural but controlled by this shared random mechanism in the same way as slot machines' wins.

I'm relooking at this and I don't see where the casino is at fault with this statement. It's pretty obvious that all games are "Slots". Perhaps it's the term "cardgames" that sould be addressed since I believe it's an issue of symantics. Cardgames = appearance of cards vs description of play.

In addition to our slot machines, we offer four great card games:

You may try your luck at the Jacks Or Better, the classic video poker game. Our pay table for this game is the highest and most generous in the industry; you do not need to place a maximum bet to get a bonus pay out on the Royal Flush (although a maximum bet with a Royal Flush WILL win the jackpot!).

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Maybe instead of yelling CROOKS! THIEVES!! someone can offer a serious suggestion on rewording their descriptions.

Also on the fact that a player witnessed a jackpot combination on a line not played, well that's why they call it gambling. This has happened at Micro casinos as well. It was brought up in conversation not too long ago about a poster that had a winning combo on Lots o'loot, but had only played one line. Shit happens. It happened to me on a lesser extent while playing Fruits Fiesta; I had bet only $.25 (my last quarter) and had three sevens pop up on the top row. Boy, was I pissed! Since then I always bet max lines at everything.

And again Caruso, don't confuse me as an affiliate - and I don't feel it's necessary to start making your caustic postings again. You were warned in the past about this sort of behaviour. Please refrain from these sort of posts.

Further:

Rather than shaking heads, wagging fingers and patting yourselves of your backs when you catch some poor sucker like whatsisname in the Bellerock thread, look to your side of the street. That is where the problem lies. Cheating casinos like Slotland mean cheating players. You can't have it both ways. While casinos cheat players, players will gladly return the favour.

I'm the one, alongside Bellerock and Neteller, who busted this player out, so I am assuming this comment is directed at me.

There is no comparison to this issue with Slotland and the case of cynowoo who deliberatly tried to cheat. He blatantly lied to me and the rest of the Casinomeister community with his BS Bellerock attack here in the forum (amongst others). He had falsified government issued IDs and tried to pass them off as real. That is fraud, and a criminal offense in most jurisdictions. Slotland is guilty of perhaps having some ambiguous statements on their website - which is strictly subjective. They may be guilty of providing unclear ad-copy, but that's about all I'm afraid.

Finally, I don't see the "intent" to deceive any one here - and I don't think anyone is being deceived in the first place. I agree that the ad-copy could be revised since there are a number of well-read players that feel that it should. But I don't see this as being a crucifiable offense.

 

[Vesuvio]

I'm relooking at this and I don't see where the casino is at fault with this statement. It's pretty obvious that all games are "Slots". Perhaps it's the term "cardgames" that sould be addressed since I believe it's an issue of symantics. Cardgames = appearance of cards vs description of play.


Maybe instead of yelling CROOKS! THIEVES!! someone can offer a serious suggestion on rewording their descriptions.

I don't think it's obvious that all the games are slots. Yes, the casino specialises in slots, but it also seems to have video poker which will attract a different type of player. The name of the casino isn't enough - VegasSlot, for instance, is an MG casino with games other than slots.

Their comments on having the best paytable and being 'classic video poker' seem to be attempts to deceive (you'd have to be very charitable to attribute them just to ignorance on the part of whoever wrote them).

As has been suggested many times on this thread and previous ones all they need to do to satisfy most people is change the name of the game to something like 'Jacks or Better Slot Machine'. If they also remove the incorrect description of the game then that would be a bonus.

They could have easily made these changes any time in the last few months that these complaints have been made on this and other message boards. The fact they haven't creates the impression that they are indeed out to trick players.

 

[dominique]

Quote Not that is is any of your business, Caruso, but gamesandcasino has been under reconstruction since it was hacked and much was destroyed and I have not done any advertising in months.UNQUOTE

This is interesting in the light of Lanidar's post elsewhere here regarding his forum being destroyed. Was there any apparent reason/suspects and was your forum attacked as well Dominique?

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Jetset, I know who did it and just have no recourse as they are in India. It is unrelated to Lanidar's problem, but there are quite a few of these type of things happening to casino websites these days. I was flabberghasted in Vegas how many people told me they had been hacked also when I told my story there.

BTW I do not run a forum.

They could have easily made these changes any time in the last few months that these complaints have been made on this and other message boards. The fact they haven't creates the impression that they are indeed out to trick players.

I talked to Slotland about this and it will be mentioned at the next board meeting. I don't see it as essential though as they make no secret of the nature of the games and because everyone knows that Slotland is all about slots and all the games run on the same jackpot and mechanism.