$lotland - well what do you know

dominique

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I never assumed anything other than it operating on a slot priciple. Same for slot that is similair to BJ which they have had a long time. But I agree, a change of the name to Jacks or Better Video Poker Slot or something like that is a good idea since obviously some people make wrong assumptions.
 

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I am positive that they do have it set up so that jackpots hit on unbet lines. Its just to keep people playing and losing more money because they "came so close" to hitting the jackpot. In fact i am almost positive that some of the regulatory bodies in the US have specific rules that prevent casinos from setting up their machines to constantly "come close" to paying off jackpots or big wins for that very reason.
Obviously noone is going to make online casinos do this which is probably why the head guys have no problem admitting this is the case.
 

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The "almost win" is what gives slotplayers the thrill.
It lets the adrenalin flow as you are in momentary suspense. This then gets counteracted by released endorphins.

I read an article once on the physical effects of gambling and this alternating release of adrenalin - endorphins is what makes the attraction. Slots players like the almost hits - they are part of why one plays.

Slots are played predominantly by women - altough I hear lately more and more males play too. Slots are kind of the opposite of poker - emotions are flying high and the "almost win" is needed to make it so.

Some people like slots, some don't. They are a sort of a high. I like them when I am in the mood for them - but usually I play BJ. I do intersperse slots though, they cut the boredom I get invariably with BJ.

Slots without "almost wins" would be worthless and boring and no one would play them.
 

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I also get bored with Bj. However I like to win not gamble. I make $2000-2500 a month playing internet Bj spending about 16 hours a month playing. The idea that I should lose ***$ a month playing internet slots to reduce my boredom levels just does not appeal to me.
Guess I will have to stay bored
 

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I know little of the ins and outs of the affy business, but I am blessed with literacy. From your own affiliate website, I learned that Slotland pay their affiliates 25% of DEPOSITS.

And you haven't had a cheque in months.

But you have a bunch of happy Slotland players.

Okey dokey.

In exactly which part of the affiliate business does my "lack of knowledge" cause me to trip me up, in any of the above? I would appear to be calling it correctly.

When cheating players get picked up on it's hell, fire and brimstone. But cheating casinos are allowed to go on and on cheating. This matter was publically aired in that other thread a LONG time ago, and it's an absolute DISGRACE. Slotland should have done something the moment they got caught out - yet they've still changed nothing, months down the road. Apparently, it's perfectly acceptable for them to go on cheating players. And of course, 25% affiliate slice of gross deposits is nothing to do with the latter fact.

In the face of this ramapant industry corruption, is it really so surprising to that players cheat? Rather than shaking heads, wagging fingers and patting yourselves of your backs when you catch some poor sucker like whatsisname in the Bellerock thread, look to your side of the street. That is where the problem lies. Cheating casinos like Slotland mean cheating players. You can't have it both ways. While casinos cheat players, players will gladly return the favour.

Stay away from Slotland.
 

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Well said Caruso

Might offend somebody but this is just my opinion, I think $lotland is really a piece of garbage. I mean let alone their customer support or even fairness of the games, the 'software' is totally obsolete and it wasn't even 'okay' for its age to begin with. Look at how the graphics and stuff loads....ill!!

Really have trouble understanding why people still play there when they can easily download and install a 1mb casino OR play elsewhere that offer no-download games that require the same hardware requirements: like Cherry or something.
 

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caruso said:
I know little of the ins and outs of the affy business, but I am blessed with literacy. From your own affiliate website, I learned that Slotland pay their affiliates 25% of DEPOSITS.

And you haven't had a cheque in months.

But you have a bunch of happy Slotland players.

Okey dokey.

In exactly which part of the affiliate business does my "lack of knowledge" cause me to trip me up, in any of the above? I would appear to be calling it correctly.
When cheating players get picked up on it's hell, fire and brimstone. But cheating casinos are allowed to go on and on cheating. This matter was publically aired in that other thread a LONG time ago, and it's an absolute DISGRACE. Slotland should have done something the moment they got caught out - yet they've still changed nothing, months down the road. Apparently, it's perfectly acceptable for them to go on cheating players. And of course, 25% affiliate slice of gross deposits is nothing to do with the latter fact.

...Stay away from Slotland.

I may be an affilliate myself soon. If I get off my duff and get my site running, but you are correct in that unfair gaming practices don't always get resovled.

I think that what happens now is that casinos simply wait and let the offending reports drift off the site. An example is that row with Megan at Fortune Lounge over the neteller bonus. They are applying to the smallest bonus first to forfit the biggest bonus in contradiction to their own Ts&Cs.

There are some of us that have been around a long time. I still think a players union that set real standards of fairness is long overdue. We need a way to catalouge unresolved complaints that show up and then fade away. I would be willing to work on such a project with long term players if there is an interest. We would need to develope standards of fair play that we could apply regardless of affiliation. And while I think the Union would be synergistic with the watchdog sites, I suspect we would have differences in endorsement, less differences in bad boy listings and more differences in warnings.

Stanford
 

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their description of their 'video poker' machines that state that they play just like the vegas machines of the same name.

What is wrong with that statement? You always come out a loser when you gamble which is exactly what the vegas machines do!
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There is NOTHING wrong with that statement! Some machines pay out MORE than 100% Go ahead, open mouth insert hoof.
 

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I only played $lotland once - 3 years ago.
At the time it was the biggest pile of pooh since those dinosaur droppings in Jurassic Park!
I haven't been back since, but I would imagine it's probably just grown into a bigger, smellier pile of pooh! :eek:

Stanford said:
I may be an affilliate myself soon. If I get off my duff and get my site running, but you are correct in that unfair gaming practices don't always get resovled.
I think that what happens now is that casinos simply wait and let the offending reports drift off the site. An example is that row with Megan at Fortune Lounge over the neteller bonus. They are applying to the smallest bonus first to forfit the biggest bonus in contradiction to their own Ts&Cs.
There are some of us that have been around a long time. I still think a players union that set real standards of fairness is long overdue. We need a way to catalouge unresolved complaints that show up and then fade away. I would be willing to work on such a project with long term players if there is an interest. We would need to develope standards of fair play that we could apply regardless of affiliation. And while I think the Union would be synergistic with the watchdog sites, I suspect we would have differences in endorsement, less differences in bad boy listings and more differences in warnings.

Nice idea - hope it works out.
I personally haven't had ANY problems since I stopped using RTG and started reading ALL the T&C's before playing anywhere - but others have, and some do need the sort of help you are offering.
Good on ya mate! :thumbsup:
 

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KasinoKing said:
I only played $lotland once - 3 years ago.
At the time it was the biggest pile of pooh since those dinosaur droppings in Jurassic Park!

Precisely the same experience for me too. I saw some positive comments on various message boards a year ago so i deposited and could not believe my eyes. I thought time travel was impossible but just from seeing the graphics, i swear i had gone back 5-10 years. Horrible looking games; slow and static.

Payout was horrible too. I must have lost my $100 deposit and the bonus in about 15 minutes. I am sure that they pay winners quickly but that wouldn't surprise me since so many people must go away as losers.
 

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sw2003 said:
What is wrong with that statement? You always come out a loser when you gamble which is exactly what the vegas machines do!
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No. Video poker is a game involving both luck and skill. The strategy assumes that any set of initial 5 cards have the same probability, and that after the discard, the probability of drawing any combination of the remaining cards is the same. If a machine does not play like this, it should not be called video poker. I think it is clear that Slotland's "video poker" is not true video poker.

The payout of the machine can be calculated, for full pay jacks or better it should be 99.54% and not anything less. I am happy to play a machine that pays out 99.54%, but not one that pays 95%.

Unlike caruso, I don't consider all slot machines rigged.
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describes how slot machines work or ought to work. The Wizard designed several online slots, so he should know. I will accept anything that works according to these principles as fair. I still would not play it because of the low return, but that's another issue. The main point is that the outcome should only depend on the RNG, not on whether you bet maximum coins or whether you bet on a particular line. If the probability of 3 jackpot symbols on a line is 1 in a million when you have maximum coins on that line, but 1 in 1000 when you did not bet maximum coins, it is dishonest. It could mislead the player into thinking that the return of the machine is much higher than it really is, maybe that it is even over 100%, and induce him to bet more by covering all lines with maximum coins.
 

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I agree. Slotlands games remind me of back when Pong and Space Invaders were big video games. Is mind boggling that people like them.
 

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I don't mean to imply that "rigging" the slots, tampering with the mechanism, isn't a serious issue. My angle was simply that since slots are already "rigged" insofar as the combinations are not achieved by a random spin, additional tampering is just more of the same. That is clearly incorrect. If they ARE tampering with the mechanism to manufacture hits on non-bet lines, it's a very serious matter and noone should think otherwise. However, it's going to impossible to prove and it DILUTES the far more serious issue of the the deception they practise on their customers with the flagrantly false claim to deal a genuine JOB game. This is by FAR the more serious issue as far as I can see, because the dollar value is far greater and affects far more players. Only slot players would be affected by this "hits on non-bet lines" business, whereas many, many additional video poker players, seeing that gargantuan jackpot coupled with the "you may try your luck at the Jacks Or Better, the classic video poker game...our pay table for this game is the highest and most generous in the industry" statement are going to lose a lot of money through this disgraceful deception.

Be in no doubt that Slotland can afford to pay their affiliates 25% of gross deposits because of this deception. THIS is the issue that needs addressing.

Slotland, who are prominent sponsors of Casinomeister, who have commented on issues raised in the recent past in the forum here and who have been MADE AWARE OF THIS ISSUE BY BRYAN, are totally silent and have changed NOTHING. Apparently this level of deceipt and false-advertising - which would have serious implications in the real world - is acceptable to them.

I would very much like to hear what the Slotland rep, Hannah, has to say on this matter.
 

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Not that is is any of your business, Caruso, but gamesandcasino has been under reconstruction since it was hacked and much was destroyed and I have not done any advertising in months.

Re. happy players: Have had them at Slotland for years. And there is a very popular free version of Slotland. Contrary to your limited views, not everything surrounding affiliates has something to do with money.

Re, Jurassic park: Good. I call it classic.

Caruso - I have gotten so tired of your agression that I will not answer to your posts anymore. I will post in the same thread if I have something to say, but I will not engage with you anymore. Thankfully you are not around at B2G or WOL anymore.

Hannah would be very foolish to post in a thread where you post.
 

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paul02085 said:
I agree. Slotlands games remind me of back when Pong and Space Invaders were big video games. Is mind boggling that people like them.

People like Pong and Space Invaders because they were state of the art video games then. There were nothing better at the time. Without them, there would be no Xbox, no Playstation, no GameCube, no PC games ... blah blah ....

What I don't understand is why you mention Space Invaders and Pong in the same sentence as Slotland? What is the connection? :confused:
 

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Slotland has the original game software - HTML coding.

It is slower and not as polished, but it can do some very interesting things that modern things cannot or do not do.

Slotland Slots have unique features that get triggered by certain combinations that make the individual slots completely unique.

They can be played on all platforms, and there are several that cannot play at any of the modern casinos.

I think there is an age group that prefers HTML games also - Slotland has a small cult following.
 

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dominique said:
Slotland has the original game software - HTML coding.

It is slower and not as polished, but it can do some very interesting things that modern things cannot or do not do.

Slotland Slots have unique features that get triggered by certain combinations that make the individual slots completely unique.

They can be played on all platforms, and there are several that cannot play at any of the modern casinos.

I think there is an age group that prefers HTML games also - Slotland has a small cult following.

Very strange choice of word there! I wouldn't call anything HTML not modern since it has been around for less than a decade.
 

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Yeah, I guess.

But in programming things become dinosaurs very quickly.

There are very few HTML games around anymore. In the casino world, it's Slotland, a couple of Iglobal casinos have the option, a couple of rogues do, and one group that I have no idea who runs them.

I get frequently get mail from people looking for HTML games because they are the only thing that will work on their platforms. The casinos I recommend then are Slotland and Iglobal. I play both of these myself.
 

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dominique said:
Yeah, I guess.

I get frequently get mail from people looking for HTML games because they are the only thing that will work on their platforms. The casinos I recommend then are Slotland and Iglobal. I play both of these myself.

Those people are called Mac users! :lolup:
 

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QUOTE Not that is is any of your business, Caruso, but gamesandcasino has been under reconstruction since it was hacked and much was destroyed and I have not done any advertising in months.UNQUOTE

This is interesting in the light of Lanidar's post elsewhere here regarding his forum being destroyed. Was there any apparent reason/suspects and was your forum attacked as well Dominique?
 

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There's a lot of machines in Las Vegas that have a payout schedule as follows:

First coin: All the BAR wins
Second Coin: The SEVEN wins or SYMBOL wins
Third Coin: All the wins, plus a (small) progressive

It's not at all unusual to see the progressive win, or some of the smaller seven wins spin in when only playing one coin, in fact it happens regularly in my experience.

These machines are often themed to the casino in which they're placed, but they pretty much play exactly the same. (Roman Rewards in Ceasars, Monte Carlo slots in the Monte Carlo, Ballys WILD PARTY etc etc)... I always just assumed this is what they did and part of the 'fun' of playing slot machines, never really saw it as a rip off as such.
 

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Please note that all games share the same mechanism which determines the jackpot win. Thus, with card games, the probability of hitting the jackpot combination is not natural but controlled by this shared random mechanism in the same way as slot machines' wins.

I'm relooking at this and I don't see where the casino is at fault with this statement. It's pretty obvious that all games are "Slots". Perhaps it's the term "cardgames" that sould be addressed since I believe it's an issue of symantics. Cardgames = appearance of cards vs description of play.

In addition to our slot machines, we offer four great card games:

You may try your luck at the Jacks Or Better, the classic video poker game. Our pay table for this game is the highest and most generous in the industry; you do not need to place a maximum bet to get a bonus pay out on the Royal Flush (although a maximum bet with a Royal Flush WILL win the jackpot!).
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Maybe instead of yelling CROOKS! THIEVES!! someone can offer a serious suggestion on rewording their descriptions.

Also on the fact that a player witnessed a jackpot combination on a line not played, well that's why they call it gambling. This has happened at Micro casinos as well. It was brought up in conversation not too long ago about a poster that had a winning combo on Lots o'loot, but had only played one line. Shit happens. It happened to me on a lesser extent while playing Fruits Fiesta; I had bet only $.25 (my last quarter) and had three sevens pop up on the top row. Boy, was I pissed! Since then I always bet max lines at everything.

And again Caruso, don't confuse me as an affiliate - and I don't feel it's necessary to start making your caustic postings again. You were warned in the past about this sort of behaviour. Please refrain from these sort of posts.

Further:

caruso said:
Rather than shaking heads, wagging fingers and patting yourselves of your backs when you catch some poor sucker like whatsisname in the Bellerock thread, look to your side of the street. That is where the problem lies. Cheating casinos like Slotland mean cheating players. You can't have it both ways. While casinos cheat players, players will gladly return the favour.

I'm the one, alongside Bellerock and Neteller, who busted this player out, so I am assuming this comment is directed at me.

There is no comparison to this issue with Slotland and the case of cynowoo who deliberatly tried to cheat. He blatantly lied to me and the rest of the Casinomeister community with his BS Bellerock attack here in the forum (amongst others). He had falsified government issued IDs and tried to pass them off as real. That is fraud, and a criminal offense in most jurisdictions. Slotland is guilty of perhaps having some ambiguous statements on their website - which is strictly subjective. They may be guilty of providing unclear ad-copy, but that's about all I'm afraid.

Finally, I don't see the "intent" to deceive any one here - and I don't think anyone is being deceived in the first place. I agree that the ad-copy could be revised since there are a number of well-read players that feel that it should. But I don't see this as being a crucifiable offense.
 
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casinomeister said:
I'm relooking at this and I don't see where the casino is at fault with this statement. It's pretty obvious that all games are "Slots". Perhaps it's the term "cardgames" that sould be addressed since I believe it's an issue of symantics. Cardgames = appearance of cards vs description of play.


Maybe instead of yelling CROOKS! THIEVES!! someone can offer a serious suggestion on rewording their descriptions.

I don't think it's obvious that all the games are slots. Yes, the casino specialises in slots, but it also seems to have video poker which will attract a different type of player. The name of the casino isn't enough - VegasSlot, for instance, is an MG casino with games other than slots.

Their comments on having the best paytable and being 'classic video poker' seem to be attempts to deceive (you'd have to be very charitable to attribute them just to ignorance on the part of whoever wrote them).

As has been suggested many times on this thread and previous ones all they need to do to satisfy most people is change the name of the game to something like 'Jacks or Better Slot Machine'. If they also remove the incorrect description of the game then that would be a bonus.

They could have easily made these changes any time in the last few months that these complaints have been made on this and other message boards. The fact they haven't creates the impression that they are indeed out to trick players.
 

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Quote Not that is is any of your business, Caruso, but gamesandcasino has been under reconstruction since it was hacked and much was destroyed and I have not done any advertising in months.UNQUOTE

This is interesting in the light of Lanidar's post elsewhere here regarding his forum being destroyed. Was there any apparent reason/suspects and was your forum attacked as well Dominique?
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Jetset, I know who did it and just have no recourse as they are in India. It is unrelated to Lanidar's problem, but there are quite a few of these type of things happening to casino websites these days. I was flabberghasted in Vegas how many people told me they had been hacked also when I told my story there.

BTW I do not run a forum.

They could have easily made these changes any time in the last few months that these complaints have been made on this and other message boards. The fact they haven't creates the impression that they are indeed out to trick players.

I talked to Slotland about this and it will be mentioned at the next board meeting. I don't see it as essential though as they make no secret of the nature of the games and because everyone knows that Slotland is all about slots and all the games run on the same jackpot and mechanism.
 
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