Do you ever feel like you know a slot isn't going to pay?

WillPower505

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People claim slots are random, they have no memory blah blah... but do you ever feel like you know a slot isn't going to pay?

For example I play a lot of playngo slots. I have like 5 main games I play. One of them is phoenix reborn. I've found that if I don't get a decent win / see bonus symbols (teased) / or see a lot of phoenix's show up. Then I know that session is setup to not payout. I've played that game so many times that there's usually two outcomes to this scenario...

Outcome 1: I start with $100 bet 0.60 a spin. Get to around $80 If the above conditions are met, I know I'm not going to have a profitable session with this game and if I keep playing the first outcome is usually ill get a bonus when it drops to around $60-70, the bonus will pay anywhere from 1x(yea) to 30xish. Just enough to get me just below where I started. This process repeats itself a few times till I get below half my bankroll, then it will just completely die out and just take my money.

Outcome 2: It just doesn't bonus at all and teases me all the way to $0.

Outcome 2 is the worst, and I've literally went into that game with $250 betting $1 a spin KNOWING I was in a bad session and I never hit a bonus the entire time. I literally sat there and watched my money burn because I had to see it for myself to believe it. I checked the RTP on the slot in the network files and it said its 96% but I've never seen a slot go 250 spins, not give a bonus, or give me a win over 10x the entire time. I've had sessions like this happen multiple times. Its usually after you hit a big win on their games.

I've went through outcome 2 so many times but I want to believe slots truly are random, but the amount of times I've seen that happen is just makes me believe otherwise.

This is why I feel like slot providers like playngo are tracking play or at the very least money in vs money out. You might win $300 on one of their slots, but if you keep playing them you'll put $350 back before you have a shot at another big win.

I wish slottracker wasn't a POS and actually worked for me so I could track these sessions, but I have a feeling I'm not the only one who thinks playngo is shady.

Now there is a flip side to this, There's times when you can tell a slot wants to payout. With playngo if you hit a bonus within your first 30 spins and it's more than 50x, chances are it will keep paying. There is a caveat though... the game will usually boost your bankroll anywhere from 80x to BIG wins 1000x+ before it switches back to outcome 1 or 2. If you start noticing the slot go dead, get out and move to a different provider, at that point their tracking system wants that money back. Sometimes you can get lucky and jump to other playngo games and maybe land on a profitable session, but I think at the end of the day/week they kind of 'update' the tracking on their games and if you try and go back to the game you won big on, it will not pay at all.

I went on a rant, but I want to summarize by asking you... do you feel like you know when a slot isn't going to pay?
 

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Easiest way is to look at the provider and the casino you are playing at. for example Red tiger at Coral
is probably not a brilliant idea.
 

WillPower505

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Yea I thought about that, honestly It might be the casino. They are a bitcoin casino (fortune jack) they don't display RTP, but im the US so it's my best chance to play decent games and they paid me out every time without issues, but they seem kind of shady in other ways. If there was a way a casino could alter slot RTP based on money won, I think this is the type of shady casino that would do it.
 

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Can we just have a permanent "are slots REALLY random?" thread pinned to the top of the forum so we don't get a new one every week?
 

WillPower505

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Can we just have a permanent "are slots REALLY random?" thread pinned to the top of the forum so we don't get a new one every week?
If we didn't have at least "are slots REALLY random?" thread a week, where else would these wannabe forum comedians practice their new material?
 

Halvor

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If we didn't have at least "are slots REALLY random?" thread a week, where else would these wannabe forum comedians practice their new material?
Would be great if all these experts with all the proof in the world of rigged games would prove it to the rest of us.

PS. Still waiting for your reply from last time
 

WillPower505

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Would be great if all these experts with all the proof in the world of rigged games would prove it to the rest of us.

PS. Still waiting for your reply from last time
Then keep waiting, was told not to expose anything or I could risk being banned from the provider.
 

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Some will say its random, others will say its variance, some will even say its a bit of both

Some will ask for proof, some will mock, others will scoff

Some may sigh, some may cry, others may simply use these " :rolleyes: "

However, stand tall, stay strong my friend as we, the "slots ARE rigged" (well post 2017 anyway :p) will prevail, when, I could not tell you but I sure as hell hope I'm still around lol :oops:

Not a "told you so" person but saving my one time to use one for this malarkey :eek:
 

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if you play same game long time,for sure you know if game have chance to land bonus,
 
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Just to be curious (sorry, didn't get until end to first post but don't think this part is explained) what you think would be benefit of provider to target individual players gameplay to make sure they lose (what huge majority does as long TRTP is under 100%) instead just let these slots run to be near of your TRTP? These RTP:s are anyway audited and you can't really make these "fixed games" where some people are doomed to lose and make games RTP to be much lower than it's TRTP?

If your slot XYZ have real RTP 94.32% from last month, wold that make much difference that some people (in that theory it would be most of people as if these slots are programmed to make sure you are doomed and winning impossible, it would give huge affect to all players, or are there only small group of chosen ones, maybe only these who decided to believe it?) would lose much more than others? If you anyway can't make your slots run different RTP all the time what stated, you don't make any more money if you choose not to let some particular people ever win, would that be compensated to others and let them win before then getting them to same loop?

That sounds cool story bro, but still, where's the benefit for making so complicated illegal system where all casinos and providers would be in huge breach of license terms and not making any money out of it as still that game return that same amount to back overall.

If once getting some good theory to answer this, then i'm happy to move to next part. So far haven't really get anything you could keep as theory around this, if you make X amount of profit, why in earth you make these illegal tricks to follow some pre-programmed patterns on every player even you would get same result just by letting slot run random as it's planned to do?

Ps. I never yet have won 1000X from any slot, so if it's disappointment that you don't get many in row, maybe consider to withdraw your winnings after that 1000X and if believe provider have memory and is really interesting to get your money and give it to somebody else, just change provider and if they all work together...... it's bit complicated like relationship status in facebook.
 
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neon claws

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I think the idea is that you can have a "doomed" session and just "know" you can't win, therefore it's rigged because you never had a chance.

We've all felt like this of course, but of course making the startling prediction of "I'm not going to win this session" and it coming true is going to happen the vast majority of the time, no psychic powers required.

People in these threads always underestimate two things: how frantically your brain attempts to create patterns from randomness and what a terrible idea it would be for a slot company to actually code in predictable patterns.
 

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I think the idea is that you can have a "doomed" session and just "know" you can't win, therefore it's rigged because you never had a chance.

We've all felt like this of course, but of course making the startling prediction of "I'm not going to win this session" and it coming true is going to happen the vast majority of the time, no psychic powers required.

People in these threads always underestimate two things: how frantically your brain attempts to create patterns from randomness and what a terrible idea it would be for a slot company to actually code in predictable patterns.
If you can predict that you're going to lose for sure, you wouldn't for real play these rounds or would some be ready to lose their money just that they can say "i knew it"

Slots are interesting things, we look some spinning symbols hours and hours etc... of course you notice loads of things happening, then as human likes to solve things and find answers, it's natural to try to solve it and also when things go like you thought, that belief is stronger. As these slots run negative RTP, these loosing sessions happen, with these days volatilities, it can be very fast ride to balance zero.
 

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Simple solutions, 50 spins max. You win you win, you lose at least it's not rinsing the whole balance! I need to do that myself, particularly on Book of Dead. Stubbornness normally leads to a balance rinse
 

Halvor

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Then keep waiting, was told not to expose anything or I could risk being banned from the provider.
I'm also happy to have a nda drafted, give me the go ahead and I'll have it ready in hours :) If you are correct I'm fine with letting max and casinomeister know how you schooled me and the rest of the industry.

If you are wrong I guess there's no banning risk and we're all happy with me exposing the bullshit?
 

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