legality of proving your ID to casinos

[noneofyou]

I've recently come back to online casinos after being gone for over a year. It seems being required to fax in copies of your credit card and drivers license has become standard practice. I'm not sure this really gives you any more security than the old system. Secondly, I wonder if it is legal.

Personally, I am having trouble getting a particular casino to accept my copies -- they say they can't read the fax, despite my using photographic paper to make my copies with (very high quality). And i don't have a scanner to scan copies -- copy centers refuse to scan them for me as they say it is illegal to make such copies of your CCs and DL. I wonder if the casinos are participating in what is actually an illegal practice? Does anyone know? Or is this why most of them aren't on the mainland, so they can get away with this?

 

[The Dude]

In my opinion, scanning and faxing cc's a such is archaeic and stupid, and I beleive at this moment many casinos are reviewing their policies that require this. This is why everyone should be using a trusted and high profile 3rd party ecash provider such as Neteller. If you make a deposit by Neteller the winnings should go straight back to your account.

In a perfect world, this is what should be happening. I've rarely used a credit card at an online casino, and I have never had to provide a copy of it to anyone.

But then some casinos have certain requirements that they are bound to by law. Any casino in licensed in Australia will require you to send in a copy of your ID and a utility bill. I have no idea what scan centers are thinking when they tell you it's illegal to copy a drivers license or passport (they are probably paranoid) I always carry a photocopy of my passport with me when I travel in case by bags get stolen (like what happened to me in London this past January). Try proving who you are to the US Embassy in a foreign country without an ID

 

[chucho]

Even when using neteller many casinos such as most Playtech casinos require that you send your ID. And RTG will require your ID and a fax form even if you use neteller. Of course they do not tell you that and reverse the cashin in the hopes that you will lose it all. It is just another way to avoid paying players. Neteller is preety tight, so if you use neteller, that should be enough for the casino right there!

 

[Clayman]

they say they can't read the fax ... And i don't have a scanner to scan copies

If you or a friend have a digital camera, you can take a picture of the piece of paper or ID and load it into the computer as a picture file. Then just crop it to size and attach to an e-mail. One time pain in the neck, permanent improvement.

 

[m249a]

Clayman offers sound advice. I took a pic of my ID & CC and emailed them to playercenter. They accepted them. I think most places will as well. Of course they might say thats not a "fax" or "scan" but then the red flags should go up.

 

[daneish]

faxing credit cards & driver's license info to an online casino!

i haven't found an online casino that i would feel comfortable with, some fees are exhorbitant for deposits and withdrawls, i would open an account tomorrow if i could find an honest one with quick payouts and a low or no fees on deposits and withdrawls, let me know if anyone has a reliable one.
getting back to the topic, i would not fax my credit card number or my driver's license number to any online casino, a credit card number is easily verifiable and a driver's license has absolutely nothing to do with an online casino, i don't have a passport and don't leave the u.s.a., a driver's license is totally irrelevant and i would not do it, nor should anyone else. when i win in horse racing or at a casino, i have to produce the driver's license because they want i.d., a credit card number is submitted by the online casino, they can get all the info they need from the credit card issuer, there is no need for a driver's license when someone is out of the country, if they insist, go somewhere else and find one that will open an account without a driver's license, i'm not sending my driver's license number out of the u.s.a.

 

[jpm]

Well good luck finding a casino online that is willing to pay you without getting some proof of your ID first. Probably not going to happen. I felt the same way (and still do) about giving them a copy of photo ID, but the casino will just hold your money until you finally give it to them. There are some who may pay you a couple of hundred without ID, but once you pass the threshold, they'll insist upon it.

As for fees, you should not be paying fees for deposits or withdrawls. Stay away from any casino that is charging you like this. Some want to charge for mailing or fedexing a check, for that reason I recommend Neteller. Excellent 3rd party payment system and they send withdrawls to the bank account of my choice in 2 - 3 business days.

Check out the casinomeister's list of recommended casinos. That's a good place to start.

 

[kavaman]

Well this is new

I guess it is related to this discussion..... Casinorewards group of microgaming casinos is now requiring a screenshot of neteller account! + the normal id + utilitybill to send out payments.....
Isnt this going a bit too far? Many people dont even know how to take screenshots+your neteller information is yours, not any casinos, thats what i think.

-kavaman

 

[jpm]

Thanks for letting us know this! That is outrageous. There is no need for them to have this information, none whatsoever. I have asked neteller about this type of demand and they agree, its none of their business. If they ask for it, send a written complaint to neteller about it.

I guess it is related to this discussion..... Casinorewards group of microgaming casinos is now requiring a screenshot of neteller account! + the normal id + utilitybill to send out payments.....
Isnt this going a bit too far? Many people dont even know how to take screenshots+your neteller information is yours, not any casinos, thats what i think.

-kavaman

 

[hhcfreebie]

I guess it is related to this discussion..... Casinorewards group of microgaming casinos is now requiring a screenshot of neteller account! + the normal id + utilitybill to send out payments.....
Isnt this going a bit too far? Many people dont even know how to take screenshots+your neteller information is yours, not any casinos, thats what i think.

When I first signed up with a FL casinos months ago, they asked me for Neteller screen shot+Bank statement (which fund Neteller)+photo ID.
Last month when I signed up with diamond casino (supported by FL), they didn't ask me any ID at all. I think FL group has changed for the better.
Giant vegas (RTG) asked me for my last 4 digits of social security number! As you know the las 4 digits of SSN is often used when the banks want to confirm your identity. Asking for SSN is truely outrageous.
Goldkey casino (used to be IGM, now RTG) would ask for ID no matter which method you used to deposit, once you win more than $200. Right now I am waiting for a cashin for over a month. I've send them my documents twice. Hopefully they would do the right thing in the end.
Golden palace (playtech) would ask 2 recent utility bills (must be within 30 days) and a photo ID. I had to scanned a new utility bill for my first cashin. Fortunately, I've never experienced any other trouble with them after the documents are acceptd.

 

[DOHC]

It seems they will do anything to keep your money. What is their excuse? I mean, it is reasonable to ask for an id if they want to verify the info you submitted is not fake, an a copy of the card to verify is not stolen, but this is just unbelievable!!!!!!

 

[Bruno712]

The legality as I know it

It is illegal to reproduce a facsimile of any legal form of identification issued by a state or federal agency. To do so is punishable by a fine of no more than $10,000 a sentence of not more than five years or both. That being said, it is also a crime to copy a dollar bill, kiss your wife in public in my city or back out of a driveway.

 

[jpm]

Reproduce a facsimile? Would that mean copying a copy?

 

[Clayman]

it is also a crime to ... kiss your wife in public in my city

Kiss somebody else's wife then

 

[sw2003]

It is illegal to reproduce a facsimile of any legal form of identification issued by a state or federal agency. To do so is punishable by a fine of no more than $10,000 a sentence of not more than five years or both. That being said, it is also a crime to copy a dollar bill, kiss your wife in public in my city or back out of a driveway.

Come on, if you lose the document, how are you going to convince anyone
that you are who you are and you did possess one such valid proof of ID?
If this law is true, it is absolutely stupid. I doubt that it is ever enforced.

 

[jpm]

I'd bet that it has never been enforced. I just refinanced my house a couple of weeks ago and they required photocopies of 2 picture IDs. Back in February when I got a new truck, the dealership required a copy of my drivers license. When I asked why, it was because of the 'patriot' act. Wouldn't want a terrorist buying a new car after all! He could turn it into a weapon. About as stupid as banning handguns in Washington or NYC, like the criminals are actually going to abide by the ban. If they did, they wouldn't be criminals!

Oh, and lets not forget the bank that I opened a checking account with last year, they made a copy of my license. And the casinos did when I got my players club cards. And on and on and on. Stupid, unenforcable, and conflicts with the 'patriot' act.

 

[Sodax77]

Many MG casino have this field, when you register real account:

"Social Security / ID Number"
"Please enter an identity number. Please note this number may be used to validate your identity."

And it is optional

Do you give your SSN any MG casino, when you open real account?
I don't, that's why i asking.

 

[jpm]

Do you give your SSN any MG casino, when you open real account?
I don't, that's why i asking.

HELL NO! And not to any other online casinos either

 

[sw2003]

Don't give them your SSN! It is totally unnecessary! People from overseas
do not have a SSN and they can still play so why give them that number.

 

[Sodax77]

I don't, that's why i asking.

Of course i don't ever give any ID-information/passport/SSN/etc to anyone offline or online, unless it is necessary.

sw2003, that was question... like you see