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legality of proving your ID to casinos

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by noneofyou, Apr 29, 2004.

    Apr 29, 2004
  1. noneofyou

    noneofyou Dormant account

    Location:
    Australia
    I've recently come back to online casinos after being gone for over a year. It seems being required to fax in copies of your credit card and drivers license has become standard practice. I'm not sure this really gives you any more security than the old system. Secondly, I wonder if it is legal.

    Personally, I am having trouble getting a particular casino to accept my copies -- they say they can't read the fax, despite my using photographic paper to make my copies with (very high quality). And i don't have a scanner to scan copies -- copy centers refuse to scan them for me as they say it is illegal to make such copies of your CCs and DL. I wonder if the casinos are participating in what is actually an illegal practice? Does anyone know? Or is this why most of them aren't on the mainland, so they can get away with this?
     
  2. Apr 29, 2004
  3. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Homemaker
    Location:
    Bierland
    In my opinion, scanning and faxing cc's a such is archaeic and stupid, and I beleive at this moment many casinos are reviewing their policies that require this. This is why everyone should be using a trusted and high profile 3rd party ecash provider such as Neteller. If you make a deposit by Neteller the winnings should go straight back to your account.

    In a perfect world, this is what should be happening. I've rarely used a credit card at an online casino, and I have never had to provide a copy of it to anyone.

    But then some casinos have certain requirements that they are bound to by law. Any casino in licensed in Australia will require you to send in a copy of your ID and a utility bill. I have no idea what scan centers are thinking when they tell you it's illegal to copy a drivers license or passport (they are probably paranoid) I always carry a photocopy of my passport with me when I travel in case by bags get stolen (like what happened to me in London this past January). Try proving who you are to the US Embassy in a foreign country without an ID :D
     
  4. Apr 29, 2004
  5. chucho

    chucho Bonus Pimp

    Even when using neteller many casinos such as most Playtech casinos require that you send your ID. And RTG will require your ID and a fax form even if you use neteller. Of course they do not tell you that and reverse the cashin in the hopes that you will lose it all. It is just another way to avoid paying players. Neteller is preety tight, so if you use neteller, that should be enough for the casino right there!
     
  6. Apr 29, 2004
  7. Clayman

    Clayman Dormant account

    Location:
    Pennsylvania, USA
    If you or a friend have a digital camera, you can take a picture of the piece of paper or ID and load it into the computer as a picture file. Then just crop it to size and attach to an e-mail. One time pain in the neck, permanent improvement.
     
  8. Apr 29, 2004
  9. m249a

    m249a Dormant account

    Occupation:
    self employed
    Location:
    Pa
    Clayman offers sound advice. I took a pic of my ID & CC and emailed them to playercenter. They accepted them. I think most places will as well. Of course they might say thats not a "fax" or "scan" but then the red flags should go up.
     
  10. Apr 29, 2004
  11. daneish

    daneish Dormant account

    Occupation:
    legal clerk
    Location:
    nyc
    faxing credit cards & driver's license info to an online casino!

    i haven't found an online casino that i would feel comfortable with, some fees are exhorbitant for deposits and withdrawls, i would open an account tomorrow if i could find an honest one with quick payouts and a low or no fees on deposits and withdrawls, let me know if anyone has a reliable one.
    getting back to the topic, i would not fax my credit card number or my driver's license number to any online casino, a credit card number is easily verifiable and a driver's license has absolutely nothing to do with an online casino, i don't have a passport and don't leave the u.s.a., a driver's license is totally irrelevant and i would not do it, nor should anyone else. when i win in horse racing or at a casino, i have to produce the driver's license because they want i.d., a credit card number is submitted by the online casino, they can get all the info they need from the credit card issuer, there is no need for a driver's license when someone is out of the country, if they insist, go somewhere else and find one that will open an account without a driver's license, i'm not sending my driver's license number out of the u.s.a.
     
  12. Apr 29, 2004
  13. jpm

    jpm Dormant account

    Well good luck finding a casino online that is willing to pay you without getting some proof of your ID first. Probably not going to happen. I felt the same way (and still do) about giving them a copy of photo ID, but the casino will just hold your money until you finally give it to them. There are some who may pay you a couple of hundred without ID, but once you pass the threshold, they'll insist upon it.

    As for fees, you should not be paying fees for deposits or withdrawls. Stay away from any casino that is charging you like this. Some want to charge for mailing or fedexing a check, for that reason I recommend Neteller. Excellent 3rd party payment system and they send withdrawls to the bank account of my choice in 2 - 3 business days.

    Check out the casinomeister's list of recommended casinos. That's a good place to start.
     
  14. Apr 30, 2004
  15. kavaman

    kavaman Senior Member PABnononaccred3 PABnononaccred3 MM

    Occupation:
    It
    Location:
    finland
    Well this is new

    I guess it is related to this discussion..... Casinorewards group of microgaming casinos is now requiring a screenshot of neteller account! + the normal id + utilitybill to send out payments.....
    Isnt this going a bit too far? Many people dont even know how to take screenshots+your neteller information is yours, not any casinos, thats what i think.

    -kavaman
     
  16. Apr 30, 2004
  17. jpm

    jpm Dormant account

    Thanks for letting us know this! That is outrageous. There is no need for them to have this information, none whatsoever. I have asked neteller about this type of demand and they agree, its none of their business. If they ask for it, send a written complaint to neteller about it.


     
  18. Apr 30, 2004
  19. hhcfreebie

    hhcfreebie Dormant account

    Occupation:
    research
    Location:
    USA
    When I first signed up with a FL casinos months ago, they asked me for Neteller screen shot+Bank statement (which fund Neteller)+photo ID.
    Last month when I signed up with diamond casino (supported by FL), they didn't ask me any ID at all. I think FL group has changed for the better.
    Giant vegas (RTG) asked me for my last 4 digits of social security number! As you know the las 4 digits of SSN is often used when the banks want to confirm your identity. Asking for SSN is truely outrageous.
    Goldkey casino (used to be IGM, now RTG) would ask for ID no matter which method you used to deposit, once you win more than $200. Right now I am waiting for a cashin for over a month. I've send them my documents twice. Hopefully they would do the right thing in the end.
    Golden palace (playtech) would ask 2 recent utility bills (must be within 30 days) and a photo ID. I had to scanned a new utility bill for my first cashin. Fortunately, I've never experienced any other trouble with them after the documents are acceptd.
     
  20. Apr 30, 2004
  21. DOHC

    DOHC Dormant account

    Location:
    Right here
    It seems they will do anything to keep your money. What is their excuse? I mean, it is reasonable to ask for an id if they want to verify the info you submitted is not fake, an a copy of the card to verify is not stolen, but this is just unbelievable!!!!!!
     
  22. Apr 30, 2004
  23. Bruno712

    Bruno712 Banned User

    Occupation:
    semi-retired
    Location:
    Boston, MA
    The legality as I know it

    It is illegal to reproduce a facsimile of any legal form of identification issued by a state or federal agency. To do so is punishable by a fine of no more than $10,000 a sentence of not more than five years or both. That being said, it is also a crime to copy a dollar bill, kiss your wife in public in my city or back out of a driveway.
     
    Last edited: Apr 30, 2004
  24. Apr 30, 2004
  25. jpm

    jpm Dormant account

    Reproduce a facsimile? :what: Would that mean copying a copy?
     
  26. Apr 30, 2004
  27. Clayman

    Clayman Dormant account

    Location:
    Pennsylvania, USA
    Kiss somebody else's wife then :D
     
  28. Apr 30, 2004
  29. sw2003

    sw2003 Dormant account

    Location:
    somewhere :)
    Come on, if you lose the document, how are you going to convince anyone
    that you are who you are and you did possess one such valid proof of ID?
    If this law is true, it is absolutely stupid. I doubt that it is ever enforced.
     
  30. Apr 30, 2004
  31. jpm

    jpm Dormant account

    I'd bet that it has never been enforced. I just refinanced my house a couple of weeks ago and they required photocopies of 2 picture IDs. Back in February when I got a new truck, the dealership required a copy of my drivers license. When I asked why, it was because of the 'patriot' act. Wouldn't want a terrorist buying a new car after all! He could turn it into a weapon. :eek: About as stupid as banning handguns in Washington or NYC, like the criminals are actually going to abide by the ban. If they did, they wouldn't be criminals!

    Oh, and lets not forget the bank that I opened a checking account with last year, they made a copy of my license. And the casinos did when I got my players club cards. And on and on and on. Stupid, unenforcable, and conflicts with the 'patriot' act.
     
  32. May 19, 2004
  33. Sodax77

    Sodax77 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Human Being
    Location:
    EU|FI
    Many MG casino have this field, when you register real account:

    "Social Security / ID Number"
    "Please enter an identity number. Please note this number may be used to validate your identity."

    And it is optional

    Do you give your SSN any MG casino, when you open real account?
    I don't, that's why i asking.
     
  34. May 19, 2004
  35. jpm

    jpm Dormant account

    HELL NO! And not to any other online casinos either
     
  36. May 19, 2004
  37. sw2003

    sw2003 Dormant account

    Location:
    somewhere :)
    Don't give them your SSN! It is totally unnecessary! People from overseas
    do not have a SSN and they can still play so why give them that number.
     
  38. May 19, 2004
  39. Sodax77

    Sodax77 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Human Being
    Location:
    EU|FI
    Of course i don't ever give any ID-information/passport/SSN/etc to anyone offline or online, unless it is necessary.

    sw2003, that was question... like you see :)
     
    Last edited: May 19, 2004

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