last night on dead or alive

[Jasminebed]

Well, I can't full report on tonight on DOA. I did not have a chance to play this weekend at Bet-At, and after trade's big win, I decided once again to dedicate a deposit to DOA. This game is not my friend, and it is terrible for fulfilling WR at 50%.
BTW, I am happy for you my friend for you big wins. It's doubly nice to see someone I "know know" win.

But there is a first time for everything. Gonna flat bet .45 cents, just hit my first bonus round right now as I was typing. Started with $100 cash and $100 bonus.

I am hoping for a happy ending. I've asked my DOA stats a couple of times from Bet-At, they are not pretty, and I am not just a dabbler

Oh, I won 40 cents on my free spins, not counting the trigger win. I'm down $35 in less than 200 spins.

Everyone says persistence is the key for this game, but some of us need to be losers. You can send chocolate trade and hedgecock.

 

[dise]

looking 4 win

This game just eats my money
Will give it a new try with more $$$

 

[brianmon]

Accidentally Hit Max Bet

Luckily it paid off ok. If only I'd got a wild-line

 

[jackanory2279]

ive had 1 of the worst ever sessions on doa today at leo vegas..won 180£ last night..
here i am slowly reversing it like a numpty..(keeping 100£)

today ive put 80£ in doa at 0.9 a spin// i would say ive had over 100 features and every single 1 did the exact same thing.. 1 or 2 wilds at the end reels then nothin..

the last 30£ i reversed i got 1 feature when i was down to 1.95£ and i gave me a few pennies..and thats after it took over 3k spins to get the feature.

and last night everythin i played was winning.. including hot mode on T2 and a board of 9s on twin spin.
the last 2 days have been so dodgy to put me of for a lifetime/

AND WITH ALL THAT... IM NEVER PLAYING AT AN ONLINE CASINO AGAIN.. UNLESS ITS FREE SPINS.

 

[Paultje82]

I had a good one finally yesterday 263€ in the bonus game with 0.45€ bet.....but normally it eats money

 

[Angel81]

Ive had the total opposite? 2 wildlines on 9cents this weekend!

 

[Harry_BKK]

To be honest i am getting slowly tired of DOA. As a medium roller i finance pretty much every month at least 6-7 Wild Lines (some months even more) for the gazillion of super low rollers hammering this slot.

It certainly looks like DOA favors small betting as you have so many screenshots and stories here on CM. But i think it is down to the fact that low rollers outnumber medium - high rollers on this slot by probably 500:1 or even 1000:1.

I have no desire nor do i find it in any way interesting to sit for hours in front of the box hammering DOA with superlow bets @ 0.09$ and then proudly post the screenshot of a WL showing a 200-300$ win which in casino terms is not even peanuts.

I admit i do play the slot with smaller bets as well after i finished financing the low roller Wild Lines by almost depleting my monthly budget but i certainly stay away from 0.09&0.18 bets as much as i can.

Casinos should either change this slot to a minimum 0.45$ bet or introduce two versions of it, 1 with bets from 0.09-0.72$ and 1 with bets from 0.90-18.00$, similar to land based casinos where you have 0.01$ & 0.05$ machines. That way the low rollers can still have their fun and WL's (which would of course happen much less frequently as the slot collects much less money) but the higher rollers have at least a fairer chance at hitting a WL as they are not outnumbered by the super low rollers.

Please don't get this the wrong way, i have nothing whatsoever against low rollers and overall i am still ahead on this slot. I am just getting fed-up of getting an email - new message posted in one of the regular DOA Threads - "mega win on DOA" only to see again it has been again on 0.09 or 0.18$ bets. I had as well 2 WL and 5 x scatter on 0.09 over the time but i wouldn't even think of posting those wins as it is essentially a small amount of money and certainly nothing life changing.

To hit a WL on this slot on 4.50 - 18.00$ is a challenge for me, not at 9 or 45 bloody cents. At those high bets it could potentially be a life altering amount, wouldn't go as far as to say life changing.

Hence, going forward I will be rethinking my gaming choices anf will probably go back to MG download casinos as i prefer to play on a download client. On browser based casinos i played 85-90% DOA hence without it i don't see much reason to stay on these multi-platforms other then the faster payments and to that i can adjust easily.

Good luck to everyone

 

[syntynyt]

To be honest i am getting slowly tired of DOA. As a medium roller i finance pretty much every month at least 6-7 Wild Lines (some months even more) for the gazillion of super low rollers hammering this slot.

It certainly looks like DOA favors small betting as you have so many screenshots and stories here on CM. But i think it is down to the fact that low rollers outnumber medium - high rollers on this slot by probably 500:1 or even 1000:1.

I have no desire nor do i find it in any way interesting to sit for hours in front of the box hammering DOA with superlow bets @ 0.09$ and then proudly post the screenshot of a WL showing a 200-300$ win which in casino terms is not even peanuts.

I admit i do play the slot with smaller bets as well after i finished financing the low roller Wild Lines by almost depleting my monthly budget but i certainly stay away from 0.09&0.18 bets as much as i can.

Casinos should either change this slot to a minimum 0.45$ bet or introduce two versions of it, 1 with bets from 0.09-0.72$ and 1 with bets from 0.90-18.00$, similar to land based casinos where you have 0.01$ & 0.05$ machines. That way the low rollers can still have their fun and WL's (which would of course happen much less frequently as the slot collects much less money) but the higher rollers have at least a fairer chance at hitting a WL as they are not outnumbered by the super low rollers.

Please don't get this the wrong way, i have nothing whatsoever against low rollers and overall i am still ahead on this slot. I am just getting fed-up of getting an email - new message posted in one of the regular DOA Threads - "mega win on DOA" only to see again it has been again on 0.09 or 0.18$ bets. I had as well 2 WL and 5 x scatter on 0.09 over the time but i wouldn't even think of posting those wins as it is essentially a small amount of money and certainly nothing life changing.

To hit a WL on this slot on 4.50 - 18.00$ is a challenge for me, not at 9 or 45 bloody cents. At those high bets it could potentially be a life altering amount, wouldn't go as far as to say life changing.

Hence, going forward I will be rethinking my gaming choices anf will probably go back to MG download casinos as i prefer to play on a download client. On browser based casinos i played 85-90% DOA hence without it i don't see much reason to stay on these multi-platforms other then the faster payments and to that i can adjust easily.

Good luck to everyone

i completed Vs thropies with get 10000 wins in doa, that is at least 13000 spins on 0.9-0.36 . 5 more spins fell once for 600x that was the biggest win. i must have had ten times 4 scatters. cold periods woth no feature no 5oak. hot periods lots of features, must have done the statistic number of features to get a line. so where are the wildlines as a lowroller. i play since 2013 never had one if you can believe. im overdosed with doa and for what.. i feed the slot and see bunch of screenshots of same people. no bloody joy with this slot, in each casino i played im down because of it. in a month i will get my yearly audit for all casinos, and like last year will be depressing even worse now. gambling is constant ruin wish i had the great power of quitting and come back to poker but casinos ate all of my patience necessarily to play poker. i dont go to see a nice movie at cinema, instead i pay for the same bloody animations

 

[Harry_BKK]

i completed Vs thropies with get 10000 wins in doa, that is at least 13000 spins on 0.9-0.36 . 5 more spins fell once for 600x that was the biggest win. i must have had ten times 4 scatters. cold periods woth no feature no 5oak. hot periods lots of features, must have done the statistic number of features to get a line. so where are the wildlines as a lowroller. i play since 2013 never had one if you can believe. im overdosed with doa and for what.. i feed the slot and see bunch of screenshots of same people. no bloody joy with this slot, in each casino i played im down because of it. in a month i will get my yearly audit for all casinos, and like last year will be depressing even worse now. gambling is constant ruin wish i had the great power of quitting and come back to poker but casinos ate all of my patience necessarily to play poker. i dont go to see a nice movie at cinema, instead i pay for the same bloody animations

2 years without a WL sounds very unlucky. I would suggest that you chose to go to the cinema for once and do some other things in your life. Just hanging in there with no fun is not what gaming should be like.

However, look at the relevant threads and count the amount of WL with 0.09 & 0.18$ bets versus higher bets.

I can understand that super low rollers are all vying for that good win of 200-300$ from a 10 or 20$ deposit. It is a lot for them. You still need though to be the lucky one to hit it.

That is why i would like to see 2 versions of slots like DOA, 1 with 0.01$ and 1 with 0.05$. I give away every month 2-3k playing 0.90 - 9.00 on DOA and at all times i am against 100's or even 1000's super low rollers. General maths will tell you that the chances to have a WL stand against me.

 

[syntynyt]

2 years without a WL sounds very unlucky. I would suggest that you chose to go to the cinema for once and do some other things in your life. Just hanging in there with no fun is not what gaming should be like.

However, look at the relevant threads and count the amount of WL with 0.09 & 0.18$ bets versus higher bets.

I can understand that super low rollers are all vying for that good win of 200-300$ from a 10 or 20$ deposit. It is a lot for them. You still need though to be the lucky one to hit it.

That is why i would like to see 2 versions of slots like DOA, 1 with 0.01$ and 1 with 0.05$. I give away every month 2-3k playing 0.90 - 9.00 on DOA and at all times i am against 100's or even 1000's super low rollers. General maths will tell you that the chances to have a WL stand against me.

i go to cinema too to hang wih people, but most of the time i download them but i meant i could do so much more things than sitting in chair and start-stop doa with an obvious return every time. became easily to predict the fate of deposits when i choose to open this crap. i don't take well the word luck as i dont play a tough one like spanish lottery el nino, just a simple game with math background which bears the question where the hell are the mathematical chances and statistics validity in my gameplay. 5 symbols in a line of out nine, what is so damn impossible... is not like i tried to hit 5 wild desires. as for highrolling, look at Nate channel, snazzyslots. we dont know how much he put into to get that huge scores because for some unknown reasons people dont talk about the bad side, and leaving the fact he is highroling, gets wilds bonanza with 3 wilds a spin and early. after all is a game of chance, just that i could not find mine and is an astonishing amount of money and time invested for a chance. so keep midrolling, if you got them already cant see a sudden stop. GL

 

[Harry_BKK]

i go to cinema too to hang wih people, but most of the time i download them but i meant i could do so much more things than sitting in chair and start-stop doa with an obvious return every time. became easily to predict the fate of deposits when i choose to open this crap. i don't take well the word luck as i dont play a tough one like spanish lottery el nino, just a simple game with math background which bears the question where the hell are the mathematical chances and statistics validity in my gameplay. 5 symbols in a line of out nine, what is so damn impossible... is not like i tried to hit 5 wild desires. as for highrolling, look at Nate channel, snazzyslots. we dont know how much he put into to get that huge scores because for some unknown reasons people dont talk about the bad side, and leaving the fact he is highroling, gets wilds bonanza with 3 wilds a spin and early. after all is a game of chance, just that i could not find mine and is an astonishing amount of money and time invested for a chance. so keep midrolling, if you got them already cant see a sudden stop. GL

The only real chance to stay in profit on DOA is that you either hit a WL at least once a week or you hit it at a higher than your average bet.

Luckily, i had 2 good payouts including 1 WL with 4.50EUR and 9$ bets as well as 1 WL with 1.80$ bet getting me so far ahead that it wiped out not just the losses i incurred since January 2015 when i started playing DOA but i can keep giving back 2-3K/month to keep the ultra low rollers happy

To be honest, betting 0.09$ is "ultra low rolling" and just not my idea of gambling... it is less than 1/10 of a $ for gods sake - does not give me any thrill or challenge whatsoever. But then that is just me and my opinion. I understand small budget and that sorts, i was there too myself but still i would not stick to penny bets all the time as i wouldn't get any satisfaction out of it.

 

[mac72]

2 years without a WL sounds very unlucky. I would suggest that you chose to go to the cinema for once and do some other things in your life. Just hanging in there with no fun is not what gaming should be like.

However, look at the relevant threads and count the amount of WL with 0.09 & 0.18$ bets versus higher bets.

I can understand that super low rollers are all vying for that good win of 200-300$ from a 10 or 20$ deposit. It is a lot for them. You still need though to be the lucky one to hit it.

That is why i would like to see 2 versions of slots like DOA, 1 with 0.01$ and 1 with 0.05$. I give away every month 2-3k playing 0.90 - 9.00 on DOA and at all times i am against 100's or even 1000's super low rollers. General maths will tell you that the chances to have a WL stand against me.

I'm just reading the last two pages of this thread quickly so apologies if I've picked this wrong but what has what anyone else bets/plays got to do with anyone elses chances of hitting anything? It was my assumption and please correct me if i'm wrong that each spin on a slot regardless of bet size had the same mathematical chance of hitting the wins in the paytable??? Surely the reason for so many screenshots at low stakes is exactly for that reason,more volume of people playing at low stakes equates to more volume of 5 scatters/Wl's?
If its the case that payout is directly related to payin then i'd loved to be informed as that was not my understanding at all

 

[Harry_BKK]

I'm just reading the last two pages of this thread quickly so apologies if I've picked this wrong but what has what anyone else bets/plays got to do with anyone elses chances of hitting anything? It was my assumption and please correct me if i'm wrong that each spin on a slot regardless of bet size had the same mathematical chance of hitting the wins in the paytable??? Surely the reason for so many screenshots at low stakes is exactly for that reason,more volume of people playing at low stakes equates to more volume of 5 scatters/Wl's?
If its the case that payout is directly related to payin then i'd loved to be informed as that was not my understanding at all

In the long run a slot will never pay out more than it takes in. And yes, the slot doesn't care about your bet size. However, if you have 100's betting 0.09 and 1 betting 9$ / spin chances that the big wins going to the low roller are much higher.

This is how i meant it Mac:

- Assumption: Sunday afternoon
- 1000 players on DOA
- 10 high rollers - provide 80% of deposits/intake for the afternoon
- 50 medium rollers - provide 10%
- 140 low rollers - provide 6%
- 800 ultra low rollers - provide 4%

Chances for the WL to go to a low roller are much higher as combined they have a lot more spins on it than the few medium-high rollers.

Hence, the people providing only 10% of the slots intake have a 90 x higher chance to have a WL just due to the amount of spins but the vast majority of the funds are provided by the top 1% of players.

See where i am coming from?

EDIT: Please correct me if i am wrong.

 

[mac72]

In the long run a slot will never pay out more than it takes in. And yes, the slot doesn't care about your bet size. However, if you have 100's betting 0.09 and 1 betting 9$ / spin chances that the big wins going to the low roller are much higher.

This is how i meant it Mac:

- Assumption: Sunday afternoon
- 1000 players on DOA
- 10 high rollers - provide 80% of deposits/intake for the afternoon
- 50 medium rollers - provide 10%
- 140 low rollers - provide 6%
- 800 ultra low rollers - provide 4%

Chances for the WL to go to a low roller are much higher as combined they have a lot more spins on it than the few medium-high rollers.

Hence, the people providing only 10% of the slots intake have a 90 x higher chance to have a WL just due to the amount of spins but the vast majority of the funds are provided by the top 1% of players.

See where i am coming from?

EDIT: Please correct me if i am wrong.

I fully understand that in the long run that's what should happen and the casino should be ahead.I was worried that the payout was directly related to the payin ie my mathematical chances of hitting a WL playing at £2.7 a go were less than someone playing at 9p a go simply because the payout was higher.
If the chances are the same regardless of bet size then I don't see how it matters how many people play and at what bet size as its simply a matter of if you personally are lucky or not which is what gambling on slots is all about??

 

[Harry_BKK]

I fully understand that in the long run that's what should happen and the casino should be ahead.I was worried that the payout was directly related to the payin ie my mathematical chances of hitting a WL playing at £2.7 a go were less than someone playing at 9p a go simply because the payout was higher.
If the chances are the same regardless of bet size then I don't see how it matters how many people play and at what bet size as its simply a matter of if you personally are lucky or not which is what gambling on slots is all about??

Yes mate, but if you have 999 players hammering the slot @ 0.09 and only 1 @ 9$ / spin the mathematical probability that the 1WL it gives in that time period goes to a ultra low roller is very much in favor of the 999 players. Hence, the highroller is virtually paying for that WL.

But if you have a 0.01$ machine and a second one with 0.05$/0.10$ then the distribution of the WL will be more evenly between low and medium-highrollers. From the hundreds or even thousands of DOA screenshots on this forum alone we have maybe 15-20 being won on bets @ 4.50 or higher.

 

[Angel81]

From my understanding playing any of the Netent slots is like participating in the lottery and that everyone has an equal chance to get the big win because the funds come from the single centre for the software.

 

[mac72]

Yes mate, but if you have 999 players hammering the slot @ 0.09 and only 1 @ 9$ / spin the mathematical probability that the 1WL it gives in that time period goes to a ultra low roller is very much in favor of the 999 players. Hence, the highroller is virtually paying for that WL.

But if you have a 0.01$ machine and a second one with 0.05$/0.10$ then the distribution of the WL will be more evenly between low and medium-highrollers. From the hundreds or even thousands of DOA screenshots on this forum alone we have maybe 15-20 being won on bets @ 4.50 or higher.

This could be a bit of a headwrecker!! Surely it dosen't matter if a ultra low roller hit a WL,your odds of hitting one directly afterwards are the same as they were before as one result bears no relevance on the other.As its done by RNG its akin to hitting NO 5 on roulette,hitting 5 on the next spin the odds are exactly the same as they were the spin before you hit it!

 

[aceking123]

got to chime in here i'm kind of with harry on this one, i do play it , not as often as you guys , pretty much no where near the play it gets from many members here, i'm like harry i tend to play higher bets mainly 90p upto around 3.60 or if im winning i may go upto 7.20 a spin.

tin foil hat coming here , i've been playing online since the first time they came out , micro gaming period does notice your bet sizes & reflects this in pays , hasn't anyone noticed there a pause change when your changing bets , even line bets )
this is not normal its taking you to what harry is on about a higher platform so stakes on old slots play a part. this has not changed in all the time in playing micro gaming platforms.

Netent doesn't seem to have a memory like micro gaming ( you pick up from where your last spin landed ) hence its a fresh start from when you start playing , 9p stakes albeit are great for low rollers great game play chance of hitting something great for cheap play , but when you see that in a month you've just rinsed 1k or 2k & havnt even got near to some good game play or a wild line then month after month its going to get on your wick.

as harry as pointed out all 9p-18p stakes seems to produce , this is down too the volume these players can spin , your better to chuck a few quid at it then walk away harry , eve Rolastan is not hitting weekly any longer on it ( incase you haven't noticed ) this is maybe down to the hammering from low stakes .

Nate is a big player & got some real nice wins but only he knows what he's chucked via them to produce those wins , i'm in no doubt Nate is winning on the slot hence to why he doesn't play that often any longer.

going back to DOA in terms of stakes i think stakes do have something to do with symbols you get, certain symbols don't seem to show up at certain stakes for some reason , no im not imagining this either after playing this slot for a long time some will understand what i'm talking about ,but they show a lot at lower stakes.

either way this machine would probably drive me to the edge & make me stop gambling if i played it as much as many do thanks to the other slots i play i carry on )

read into this what you will but i don't think every spin is 100% random especially in feature its pretty much concluded when it hits , stakes would already be accounted for ) i'm not talking about losses just the stakes maybe this is where it gains its overall TRTP% from.

Maybe one of the big casinos could chime here & reflect the average stake on it )

 

[Harry_BKK]

From my understanding playing any of the Netent slots is like participating in the lottery and that everyone has an equal chance to get the big win because the funds come from the single centre for the software.

Sure angel, it is similar with MG.

But again DOA is probably the most hammered slot by far more ultra low rollers than medium rollers.

IR, T2 etc surely have their good part of low rollers but i am sure they have a much higher share of medium - high rollers.

If i follow your lottery principle than the 1 medium-high roller is against 100's of low rollers who have the same chance for the WL. Hence, purely mathematically speaking the WL will go much more often to a ultra low roller as they are in the absolute majority.

 

[Harry_BKK]

got to chime in here i'm kind of with harry on this one, i do play it , not as often as you guys , pretty much no where near the play it gets from many members here, i'm like harry i tend to play higher bets mainly 90p upto around 3.60 or if im winning i may go upto 7.20 a spin.

tin foil hat coming here , i've been playing online since the first time they came out , micro gaming period does notice your bet sizes & reflects this in pays , hasn't anyone noticed there a pause change when your changing bets , even line bets )
this is not normal its taking you to what harry is on about a higher platform so stakes on old slots play a part. this has not changed in all the time in playing micro gaming platforms.

Netent doesn't seem to have a memory like micro gaming ( you pick up from where your last spin landed ) hence its a fresh start from when you start playing , 9p stakes albeit are great for low rollers great game play chance of hitting something great for cheap play , but when you see that in a month you've just rinsed 1k or 2k & havnt even got near to some good game play or a wild line then month after month its going to get on your wick.

as harry as pointed out all 9p-18p stakes seems to produce , this is down too the volume these players can spin , your better to chuck a few quid at it then walk away harry , eve Rolastan is not hitting weekly any longer on it ( incase you haven't noticed ) this is maybe down to the hammering from low stakes .

Nate is a big player & got some real nice wins but only he knows what he's chucked via them to produce those wins , i'm in no doubt Nate is winning on the slot hence to why he doesn't play that often any longer.

going back to DOA in terms of stakes i think stakes do have something to do with symbols you get, certain symbols don't seem to show up at certain stakes for some reason , no im not imagining this either after playing this slot for a long time some will understand what i'm talking about ,but they show a lot at lower stakes.

either way this machine would probably drive me to the edge & make me stop gambling if i played it as much as many do thanks to the other slots i play i carry on )

read into this what you will but i don't think every spin is 100% random especially in feature its pretty much concluded when it hits , stakes would already be accounted for ) i'm not talking about losses just the stakes maybe this is where it gains its overall TRTP% from.

Maybe one of the big casinos could chime here & reflect the average stake on it )

Got a good example. This base pay below i had some 9 times so far and 8/9 it was on low bets, max 0.54. Not once on high bets although i play this slot a lot at the higher end. You would expect a more even sharing of maybe 4/9 or 5/9:



My main point with these posts was that Netent should make 2 or 3 versions of the slot, just like in Vegas were you have 1c, 5c, 10c machines. This would ensure the WL's are spread more evenly between ultralow, low, medium and high rollers.

 

[aceking123]

hi yep thats the sort of thing i was referring too , seems odd doesn't it that this would happen often as it does , it may have something to do with Trtp% , hence to why it doesn't show often pretty much the same with wild lines i would think.

im not suggesting its rigged it may well be set up like this part of the program still must meet its Trtp%

 

[hedgehok]

I'm a little bit irritated about some points you mentioned Harry but I generally agree with most of your points especially the $0.09-rolling but keep a cool head about it. You don't literally finance the low-rollers wins with your high bets. In practical terms you certainly did in the past but in theoretical/mathematical terms everybody plays an independent slot. I know you are also aware of that.

I could argue that thebigs gained all the money I put into DoA at betat with his wildline (we played at a similar bet-size though) but it's okay.

But what I find utterly tedious are the gazillions of screenshots throughout all threads in the screenshot-section. And this stupid slot should have a quick-spin option or a time-warp where it plays all gamerounds in warp-speed until the bloody bonus-game has been triggered.

 

[Tirilej]

And this stupid slot should have a quick-spin option or a time-warp where it plays all gamerounds in warp-speed until the bloody bonus-game has been triggered.

Are you saying it's too slow?

 

[hedgehok]

Are you saying it's too slow?

Ooooh yes!

 

[Tirilej]

Ooooh yes!

Seriously I'm happy it is. It's a perfect game when you hardly have any money.
You get playtime with small bets and you have a chance to win big.

I don't want it to be faster or change in any way. It's perfect.
I maybe should mention that I normally have no patience at all and a very bad temper

 

[hedgehok]

Seriously I'm happy it is. It's a perfect game when you hardly have any money.
You get playtime with small bets and you have a chance to win big.

I don't want it to be faster or change in any way. It's perfect.
I maybe should mention that I normally have no patience at all and a very bad temper

Oh certainly a fine slot to many when you like to increase playtime with micro-rolling. I was just refering to a quick-spin option because I'm a terribly impatient bloke. This is why I sometimes like to play MGS download. Some of my sessions are not longer than 5 minutes there. Quick Adrenalin.

 

[Tirilej]

Oh certainly a fine slot to many when you like to increase playtime with micro-rolling. I was just refering to a quick-spin option because I'm a terribly impatient bloke. This is why I sometimes like to play MGS download. Some of my sessions are not longer than 5 minutes there. Quick Adrenalin.

I can play DOA, Deck the Halls, BDBA and Centre Court slow.
The rest is quick spin and very fast.

The more money I have the faster gameplay. A little money then slow is fine.
Maybe you should restrict your budget

 

[Harry_BKK]

I'm a little bit irritated about some points you mentioned Harry but I generally agree with most of your points especially the $0.09-rolling but keep a cool head about it. You don't literally finance the low-rollers wins with your high bets. In practical terms you certainly did in the past but in theoretical/mathematical terms everybody plays an independent slot. I know you are also aware of that.

I could argue that thebigs gained all the money I put into DoA at betat with his wildline (we played at a similar bet-size though) but it's okay.

But what I find utterly tedious are the gazillions of screenshots throughout all threads in the screenshot-section. And this stupid slot should have a quick-spin option or a time-warp where it plays all gamerounds in warp-speed until the bloody bonus-game has been triggered.

In the end it is something like that Hedge.... a lot of players losing their deposits for a few to shine, bar the house edge of the casino. Any slot will only pay out what it takes in in the long run, no slot is programmed to have constantly 100+% RTP.

My main point was only that lately the screenshots with 0.09 and 0.18$ bets have taken over massively, be it in the Mega Win or Ultimate DOA or Winner Screenshots thread. Hence, i can hardly see a point why i should bet high on DOA and lose easily 1-2K in one evening only to see the next morning 2-3 screenshots with 0.09$ bets and a WL at the same place. I literally financed that with my deposits.

Now to the maths, i am still well over 100% RTP on this slot for the past 11 months that i played it, hence i am not carrying a grudge, far from it. However, i lost heavily in the first few months playing DOA and hammering away with bets between 4.50-18.00$. I just wouldn't get any decent return. It only dawned on me when i saw all the screenshots with WL with bets between 0.09 - 0.45$. Starting May i lowered my bets and "bangbang" i started hitting WL's and 5 scatters.

It is just so obvious on DOA because a gazillion of players are hammering it with 0.09$ bets. On IR, T2 etc i just have the feeling that i have a better shot at getting high wins on medium-high bets.

 

[hedgehok]

In the end it is something like that Hedge.... a lot of players losing their deposits for a few to shine, bar the house edge of the casino. Any slot will only pay out what it takes in in the long run, no slot is programmed to have constantly 100+% RTP.

My main point was only that lately the screenshots with 0.09 and 0.18$ bets have taken over massively, be it in the Mega Win or Ultimate DOA or Winner Screenshots thread. Hence, i can hardly see a point why i should bet high on DOA and lose easily 1-2K in one evening only to see the next morning 2-3 screenshots with 0.09$ bets and a WL at the same place. I literally financed that with my deposits.

Now to the maths, i am still well over 100% RTP on this slot for the past 11 months that i played it, hence i am not carrying a grudge, far from it. However, i lost heavily in the first few months playing DOA and hammering away with bets between 4.50-18.00$. I just wouldn't get any decent return. It only dawned on me when i saw all the screenshots with WL with bets between 0.09 - 0.45$. Starting May i lowered my bets and "bangbang" i started hitting WL's and 5 scatters.

It is just so obvious on DOA because a gazillion of players are hammering it with 0.09$ bets. On IR, T2 etc i just have the feeling that i have a better shot at getting high wins on medium-high bets.

I played around 70,000 spins in the last 2 weeks on DoA and no one was above 1000+ bet. One reason to play was the jackpot prize at the betat-promotion or just a good wildline for me as an "achievement" sort of thing to show. A pity that the betat-promotion heavily encourages playing this bloody slot.

However I can't blame the low-rollers. There is possibly no other slot which combines extended playtime with micro-rolling with the possibility of a decent hit. And it's TRTP is also higher then many other high variance slots (Playboy 96.57% min: $0.30, Raging Rhino 95.91% min: $0.40, 300 Shields 95.3% min: $0.25)

 

[citizenx]

From my understanding playing any of the Netent slots is like participating in the lottery and that everyone has an equal chance to get the big win because the funds come from the single centre for the software.

I feel this is the most interesting query. I wonder how many RNGs there are.

For example, is there one serving all Netent games everywhere? Are there multiple which are game, casino/group, server specific.

In the 1m+ spins love played on various Netent games on various sites I have to say I've noticed that there are definitely streaks/periods where some games are predictably hot/cold for a period but other sites produce a whole different feel when playing.

My instinct is there are multiple RNGs and they tend to rotate the wins between casinos. For example - a win on Casino A. Cash out. Play Casino B and its dead. Return to casino A and get another win. Can't tell you how many times that has happened.

 

[Angel81]

Casinos have no way in "fine tuning" the games.
I read somewhere once that Netent said there is no difference in what casino to play because all Netent slots are located on the companies servers.

 

[dave1888]

I'm constantly being shafted by this slot now I can hardly even believe I've actually had 4 wild lines and 5 scatters..The other night at Casumo was horrendous. Biggest win under 35x including inside the features €27 eaten on 9c spins in a hour or so. It was a slow death but DOA is like that, it's worth it when you hit the big one though! Believe me!

 

[renoufchr]

finally got a decent win out of this shame it shafted me most the time with small wins

 

[nutnut]

played this yesterday, got on bonus round like 8 times in 300 spins, not one decent win, most around £6 at 45p a spin.

 

[interlog]

Just caught up with this topic following a little jolly I recently had.

Quite an interesting discussion about the low rollers (I classify myself as one) being subsidised so to speak by the high rollers.

Looking at some of the recent videos by Nate (with some very big wins) perhaps it is us poor low rollers subsidising him!

At the end of the day it doesn't matter in my opinion.

I have had numerous sessions where I deposited £25 and played at £0.09 stakes and ended up with nothing.

If you were to compare it equally, if you were spinning at say £0.90 a go, you would have had to deposit 10 times more - £250 - to have the same number of spins with the same end result if the slot played the same (and I am going to assume that it does). If I were to be Nate and I spin at £4.50 a go, I would have to deposit £1,250 to get potentially the same result.

Now how many people can afford to deposit those large sums of money? On average you would have to make the same number of spins to get a wild line irrespective of the stake.

At the end of the day, whether you play at large or small stakes, the slot is going to win. The only difference is that those playing at £0.09 will have a smaller loss than those playing at higher stakes.

The only way you beat this slot is when you have a decent win at a high stake when you normally play at low stakes.

Besides, for those that can only afford to play at £0.09 stakes, a wild line win for them is a decent amount of money to be won, just as it is for those that can afford to play at £4.50 or £7 a stake and get a wild line.

Why take that pleasure away from those that play at low stakes? Let them post their wild line wins. It most probably gives them as much joy (if not more) than Nate posting his very large win videos.

 

[Jono777]

I'm the ultimate Low Roller, Scrooge was more generous

Getting a Wild Line @ 0.09p had happened to me 5 times and 3 times at 0.18p. Each and every time I an buzzing my tits off and out the chair, getting screen shots, making sure the video is saved etc etc.

As you say and I totally agree it is not the size of the bet or the hit just the buzz of the achievement IMO.

Low stakes also help to stay in control (not saying Hi-Rollers don't stay in control btw), keep me within my budget and gives me lengthy play time for my deposit thus nullifying the boredom and entertaining me (as well as frustrating me ) the main reason I deposit and play

I was £5 from busting Sunday @ G' Day casino when DOA gave me a wild line out of the blue, only £85ish but enough to resurrect the session and lead to a screen full of 'A' on Twin Spin @ 0.50p and a £200 cash out!!!

 

[brianmon]

I normally play between 18p and 45p.
but the odd thing I've noticed is that I can get, on average, 1000-1500 spins from a £50 balance at 18p
But i'm lucky if i get 800-1000 spins from £100 balance at 36p

 

[Harry_BKK]

I normally play between 18p and 45p.
but the odd thing I've noticed is that I can get, on average, 1000-1500 spins from a £50 balance at 18p
But i'm lucky if i get 800-1000 spins from £100 balance at 36p

Exactly my thoughts.

- Let's say i get some FS and win 5$ from them - at 0.09$ DOA never fails to give me at least 150-300 spins and at least 1 x free spins and that mostly in the first 100 spins
- I deposit 50$ - at 0.90$ i am happy to make it to maybe 80-120 spins and almost never get free spins

I do play the slot with both bet sizes, low and medium really a lot, probably 3000-5000 spins/day on average, sometimes even above 10.000, would say 40/60 - low / medium bets, keep good records and i have disproportionately:

- more 4 & 5OAK (beer glass and higher) on small bets than on higher bets
- much more often the "star" double line base pay on small bets (8/9 times i had it on 0.27 and lower, 1/9 @ 0.54$, never on 0.90 - 9.00$)
- much more often connecting WILDs in Free Spins on reels 1-3 (guaranteeing at least some decent payout) on bets 0.27$ and lower
- much lower average amount of spins between Free Spins on ultra low bets of 0.09 and 0.18$
- much more often 4 x Scatter on ultra low bets 0.09 and 0.18$, which for me is a chance for the 5 x scatter
- much more often the 5 Extra Spins on 0.09 and 0.18$

I have tons of data over some 2Mio spins to back-up these findings, so i am not just blowing-off steam here, especially since i am still ahead on DOA by some 8K for this year.

For me as a maths geek (actually my master) these stats show a clear tendency towards ultra small bets.

So yes, i do think that medium - high rollers are subsidizing the 100's of wild lines on small and ultralow bets.

Tin foil hat off

 

[Jono777]

Yup Harry, should have said that in my post too but time to back you up and provide further tin foil evidence

My Wild Lines have ALL come at 0.18p and 0.09p. Yes I do play at 0.27p (in fact when I first 'found' DOA every spin was at 0.27) and never had the 5 Extra never mind a WL

Played also at 0.36, 0.45, best hit IIRC 5OAK Hats

Wife plays higher risk (0.54p, 0.90p) and has had 2 WL on each of these bet sizes and one 5 x Scatter (which unbelievably came very 1st spin!!!)

I am winning 8-7 in terms of amount of Wild Lines, If It comes to value of cash out then I'm some what getting my ass kicked big time!

 

[Harry_BKK]

Yup Harry, should have said that in my post too but time to back you up and provide further tin foil evidence

My Wild Lines have ALL come at 0.18p and 0.09p. Yes I do play at 0.27p (in fact when I first 'found' DOA every spin was at 0.27) and never had the 5 Extra never mind a WL

Played also at 0.36, 0.45, best hit IIRC 5OAK Hats

Wife plays higher risk (0.54p, 0.90p) and has had 2 WL on each of these bet sizes and one 5 x Scatter (which unbelievably came very 1st spin!!!)

I am winning 8-7 in terms of amount of Wild Lines, If It comes to value of cash out then I'm some what getting my ass kicked big time!

Thanks for confirming my thoughts and findings

I agree though, you only need on WL or 5 x scatter at a higher than usual bet and you are ahead. As for me that is down to the 3000+ x payout @ 4.50Euro at Redbet and 1100 x payout @ 9$ at Bet-AT.

I am just taking today's results:

- 10 FS at Mr. Green gave me 1.47 - played 89 spins @ 0.09EUR including 1 x free spins after 17 spins
- 25 FS at Next gave me 4.00$ - played over 400 spins @ 0.09 and 0.018 - 2 x free spins, 1 x after 31 spins and 1 after 142 spins
- 20 FS at CasinoLuck gave me 2.27 - played over 1000 spins @ 0.09-0.45 - free spins @ 0.09 after 8 spins, 1 x 5 Extra Spins, balance peaked at 55.36$. No free spins in over 400 spins at 0.36-0.45$, 7 x @ 0.09 and 2 x @ 0.18
- 40$ at Videoslots - started playing with 0.45$, no free spins, no 5OAK in 240 spins (still got some 30$ to play)


You get the picture?

EDIT: FS at Videoslots @ 0.45 after 251 spins - payout 14 x bet

 

[SpinUk]

I agree. I dont know if this slot is designed differantly to other slots out there but I can say without a doubt that the whole scenario of "each spin is independent of the last" that slots are supposed to align to does not apply to DOA. You can set this to spin 0.18 at £100 and rocket through it with less than 5 low paying FS rounds, whilst at the same time you can deposit £20 and have a static balance with over 30 rounds - the laws of variance dont explain it enough convincingly. And if each spin is independant, how come I have never - despite well over 30 wild lines and the associated number of spins that took - had five wilds in a row on a non bonus round?

I think it in reality it works as an elaborate AWP - having an element of randomness, thereby retaining the ability to claim the results are random - but the "random" results are weighted depending on the amount of money that has been pumped into it.

Further, if this weighting was segregated by betsize, this would explain the differance in "luck" that people are describing, with 0.09 and 0.18 being by far the most popular betsize overall played.

That doesn't take away from the slots enjoyment, its a great slot, but "random" in the universal sense - I highly doubt it.

 

[brianmon]

how come I have never - despite well over 30 wild lines and the associated number of spins that took - had five wilds in a row on a non bonus round?

I've had 50-60 wildlines. but only had 5 wilds in the base game once, in fact I think it's the only time I've ever seen 5 wilds on screen, whether in a line or not, but that was about 16 months ago, AND on 18p stake

 

[interlog]

All well and good but how does one explain those insane wins by Nate then? It blows the last few posts out of the window because surely there must be more than one Nate winning on big stakes.

Incidentally, my best pay out of almost £2,000 on this slot was made at a £0.45 spin. The other two pay outs of £1,500 and £1,300 were also at £0.45 a spin.

I once deposited £300 and played at £0.45 spins and had the best ever session out of it in terms of play time (I posted about it in this topic, RTP was about 93% if I recall correct). Again, evidence that the slot can play well even at stakes higher than £0.09 and £0.18.

 

[Nicola]

Very weird session this morning. Lots of wilds in the base game (three, four in a line often) but very little in the bonus.

Way overdue 5 scatters, been nearly a year!

 

[nutnut]

most frustrating thing about this slot s first time i played it, i got like 100+ pound win for 9p, and got me interest in the slot. since then had bonus round over 20 times, and not single win over £10 at stakes 9p 18p and 45p. just teases you

 

[asadzareef89]

is it me or doa has been ice cold past 3 weeks, cant get anywhere with it and few times i have managed extra spins they have been below average as well. Below are few examples. Havent even come close to 200x(except once)

My great big run of bad luck continues at casumo where i have not even got extra spins for 2 months, u might think thats not unusual but thats my number 1 go to casino since guts bonus banned me, now instead of 2-3 times a week, i have been playing almost every day there

 

[richie1913]

On any other slot i would be happy with those wins but with dead or alive its just

 

[Jono777]

Very weird session this morning. Lots of wilds in the base game (three, four in a line often) but very little in the bonus.

Way overdue 5 scatters, been nearly a year!

Never had em!

Think Santa will give em me before 25th lol

 

[Angel81]

I've had 50-60 wildlines. but only had 5 wilds in the base game once, in fact I think it's the only time I've ever seen 5 wilds on screen, whether in a line or not, but that was about 16 months ago, AND on 18p stake

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Very nice, 1st time ive seen all 5 wilds during non bonus round. Pretty poor pay out though, should be more then 5 scatters imo.

Very weird session this morning. Lots of wilds in the base game (three, four in a line often) but very little in the bonus.

Way overdue 5 scatters, been nearly a year!

I never got 5 scatters for months but then got 4x 5 scatters all within 3 months, will come around for you soon

 

[citizenx]

Played it on three sites in the last hour and a half. Haven't seen a single bonus.

This is getting to the record length of time playing i've not had a feature. Absolutely cold as ice.

About to switch to fun play to conserve my funds.

I know my luck though, i'll switch to that then hit a wildline. Has happened before.