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I know the feeling, but you might be getting close wishing you luck with a great big win :)


Cheers Mina, but alas I swapped over to Twin Spin and just recouped all my DOA losses and made £100 profit, withdrawal now in process. Managed two lots of diamond 5OAK within 20 spins of each other on £2.50 spins, £100 a time!

Good luck to you, hopefully you can win back what I put in to DOA (and a bit more!). May resume again tomorrow ......
 
Cheers Mina, but alas I swapped over to Twin Spin and just recouped all my DOA losses and made £100 profit, withdrawal now in process. Managed two lots of diamond 5OAK within 20 spins of each other on £2.50 spins, £100 a time!

Good luck to you, hopefully you can win back what I put in to DOA (and a bit more!). May resume again tomorrow ......

You are the second person I was sending good luck to and both of you won, I am lucky for other people but not for myself lol more lucky dust sent your way :)
 
You are the second person I was sending good luck to and both of you won, I am lucky for other people but not for myself lol more lucky dust sent your way :)


Send some more luck, it is working!

£25 deposited, 36p per spin on DOA and 54 spins in, this happens. Probably the best I have had from DOA in quite a few thousand spins!

435x

Hope you have some good luck as well.

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Send some more luck, it is working!

£25 deposited, 36p per spin on DOA and 54 spins in, this happens. Probably the best I have had from DOA in quite a few thousand spins!

435x

Hope you have some good luck as well.

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Haven't had any luck yet but when I do I will post it up for sure lol

Lot's more lucky dust your way :)
 
Well that is it for me for a while. Thankfully I am a few thousand up on this slot (safely stashed away in my ISA account) thanks to beginners luck getting three wild line wins within two weeks. However, over the past month it has been playing like dirt with money going down the drain.

Will give this slot a rest for a month or so (still to play the last £20 plus race money and cashback from Videoslots next week) as I am getting fed up playing "spot the scatter" and "spot the wild" game with this slot.
 
I now feel with 100% certainty this slot does not function at 96% RTP all the time with equal chance of win every spin.
My results are so far outside natural variance in so may ways it is statistically impossible.

I now must have hit around 200 bonus rounds without hitting 5 wilds (I've never hit 5 wilds on this game) and I have only hit 5 extra wilds once in over 100 bonus rounds with may two 100X plus win.
Lately I hit between 1 and 4 sticky wilds and never hit a sticky wild in first few spins unless on 5th reel.
I haven't hit a 5OAK of better than glasses for thousands of spins. Actually my best win in main game for over a thousand spins is 4 stars lol.

I have played probably $100k by now and maybe 200,000 spins and not hit 5 scatters once either.

The main game has been around 55% RTP for thousands of spins and the free spin rounds maybe take that up to about 70% recent history.

Overall my RTP will be around 80% at best over my lifetime history.

I'm having to circumnavigate a lot of opposition and bureaucracy to get a full audit of my play at Net Ent since UKGC claim they have no jurisdiction over Net Ent games even though they their games are offered by by UKGC casinos?
When I queried that I got blanked so too it to the Department of Culture Media and Sport who are the Gov Dep responsible for UKGC.
They are obligated to respond but did not so I wrote them a 2nd letter and again no response.
I then took it to My MP and thus far have had no response there either but tomorrow I will formally request my MP to take it with the ombudsman who investigates Gov Dep as that is a legal requirement for me and my MP is duty bound to take it up.

I have requested audits from various casinos but the data I get is often conflicting with my personal records and there are many times where I have not recorded deposits or gameplay so I need a full and proper audit from Net ent.

When it is this difficult just to get an audit so that a player can ascertain whether a game/s and/or software are operating within specified parameters then one has to wonder just how transparent and open the industry really is, even under UKGC.

Who knows, maybe I will get a full audit and find that the game has played within standard deviation and I have just been very unlucky but I think it far more likely there will be serious issues with my results because I intend to get a lifetime audit Net Ent all games as well where the sample size cannot be questioned and where I am also certain my RTP will well below what is advertised.

When a casino audits its slots they always come in within a percent or two at most of expected RTP because the sample size smooths out any anomalies and so it should be with my stats yet I expect they many percentage points below what they should be.

Will I get my audit?
What will it show?

I don't know but the journey should be interesting and reveal some of the soft underbelly of remote casino regulation which is good for all those within the industry who are operating with integrity
 
I now feel with 100% certainty this slot does not function at 96% RTP all the time with equal chance of win every spin.
My results are so far outside natural variance in so may ways it is statistically impossible.

I now must have hit around 200 bonus rounds without hitting 5 wilds (I've never hit 5 wilds on this game) and I have only hit 5 extra wilds once in over 100 bonus rounds with may two 100X plus win.
Lately I hit between 1 and 4 sticky wilds and never hit a sticky wild in first few spins unless on 5th reel.
I haven't hit a 5OAK of better than glasses for thousands of spins. Actually my best win in main game for over a thousand spins is 4 stars lol.

I have played probably $100k by now and maybe 200,000 spins and not hit 5 scatters once either.

The main game has been around 55% RTP for thousands of spins and the free spin rounds maybe take that up to about 70% recent history.

Overall my RTP will be around 80% at best over my lifetime history.

I'm having to circumnavigate a lot of opposition and bureaucracy to get a full audit of my play at Net Ent since UKGC claim they have no jurisdiction over Net Ent games even though they their games are offered by by UKGC casinos?
When I queried that I got blanked so too it to the Department of Culture Media and Sport who are the Gov Dep responsible for UKGC.
They are obligated to respond but did not so I wrote them a 2nd letter and again no response.
I then took it to My MP and thus far have had no response there either but tomorrow I will formally request my MP to take it with the ombudsman who investigates Gov Dep as that is a legal requirement for me and my MP is duty bound to take it up.

I have requested audits from various casinos but the data I get is often conflicting with my personal records and there are many times where I have not recorded deposits or gameplay so I need a full and proper audit from Net ent.

When it is this difficult just to get an audit so that a player can ascertain whether a game/s and/or software are operating within specified parameters then one has to wonder just how transparent and open the industry really is, even under UKGC.

Who knows, maybe I will get a full audit and find that the game has played within standard deviation and I have just been very unlucky but I think it far more likely there will be serious issues with my results because I intend to get a lifetime audit Net Ent all games as well where the sample size cannot be questioned and where I am also certain my RTP will well below what is advertised.

When a casino audits its slots they always come in within a percent or two at most of expected RTP because the sample size smooths out any anomalies and so it should be with my stats yet I expect they many percentage points below what they should be.

Will I get my audit?
What will it show?

I don't know but the journey should be interesting and reveal some of the soft underbelly of remote casino regulation which is good for all those within the industry who are operating with integrity

Have you considered maybe your luck is a bit out atm? Try taking a break and then go back to it.

My first year on DOA, i got nothing not even extra spins, took a 3 month break from slots and then suddenly they all turned around for me, since than i have had 5 scatters x4 times, wildline x10 times, extra spins possibly 90-100 times

My worst experience to date has been with videoslots(gave up on the casino), i would say casumo as i have had extra spins 14/15 times but not a wildline but i have had 5 scatters twice there though. Possibly played around 450-500 bonus rounds there

Best casinos for me have been thrills, leovegas, casinoroom(doa gone now), whitebet, verajohn was ok but its been a year since my wildline there and 300-350 bonus rounds later still waiting for next one

So you see, it will even out itself over time, i have had weeks with nothing and then 2 wildlines in a day
 
^^^^^^ 200.000 spins without a WL is nothing major.

I went well over 1Mio spins in 5 months without any WL and not once 5 x scatter. Had 9 WL's and 6 x 5 scatter in the following 5 months.

That is what you can expect from a very high variance game like DOA. You can play millions of spins without WL because this slot is getting hammered every day by 10.000's players.
 
Can't believe it, last night I had three consecutive bonus rounds where I was merely one wild away from a wildline.

First one I had just one spin left to get it, didn't happen.

Second bonus round I had two spins to get the wild, didn't happen :mad:

So you think by this stage that's all you're going to get for a while, then on my third bonus round I had the wilds line up perfectly in an arch at the top.....I had EIGHT SPINS remaining, and would it come?? Of course not!! What a git of a game this is sometimes :mad::mad::mad:

So my balance went from £100 down to £12 at one point, then back up to £100, then back to £40 before shooting back up to £130.

Then I gradually bust out but damn I was close and had loads of playtime. That's the beauty of this game, often you are only one wild away from greatness. But yeah in a nutshell I found it very strange to be so close within three bonus rounds. Which come to think of it, I've probably gone about a year since my last wildline too!!
 
I guess you wagered $100k and not put in that amount of money :eek:

LOL wagered. :cool:
A few grand down though which playing around 40c a spin average is a lot.
I just deposited $100, didn't even hit a bonus round @ 36c a spin on a slot that has never paid? :notworthy
Got about 55% RTP off that session which should be enough to show the slot is rigged on its own but it is just one of hundreds of similar outrageous returns.

Currently going through official channels still to open some dialogue with the government - long process, especially when officialdom is trying to avoid me at every turn. This is a very corrupt game with many corrupt players upon the stage no doubt but I can't prove it until I get a full audit.
Interestingly Casinos send me false stats and when I point out the issues with the data and ask for corrections they just ignore me.
Say's it all really.
 
I have played probably $100k by now and maybe 200,000 spins and not hit 5 scatters once either.

LOL wagered. :cool:
A few grand down though which playing around 40c a spin average is a lot.

I just deposited $100, didn't even hit a bonus round @ 36c a spin on a slot that has never paid? :notworthy
Got about 55% RTP off that session which should be enough to show the slot is rigged on its own but it is just one of hundreds of similar outrageous returns.

Currently going through official channels still to open some dialogue with the government - long process, especially when officialdom is trying to avoid me at every turn. This is a very corrupt game with many corrupt players upon the stage no doubt but I can't prove it until I get a full audit.
Interestingly Casinos send me false stats and when I point out the issues with the data and ask for corrections they just ignore me.
Say's it all really.

I think you need to chill out Jack :cool: :rolleyes:

If you are a few grand down @ 40c average/ spin and you have wagered over 100K then your RTP is well in the 90-100% range, so perfectly normal.

FYI, you can download your gaming history at any casino, that should suffice to have an audit done.

I had my last WL at the beginning of September and had some 350 bonus rounds since then. I could go 1000 bonus rounds without hitting one, it is just the nature of gambling. If you are not lucky to get the WL, rest assured somebody else will get it.

Just one question Jack: DOA seems to be a very unlucky slot for you, so why on earth do you keep playing it??? :confused: :what:
 
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JackMack,

How often have you played and you have been up on the slot but decided to continue playing in order to hit the big one?

As an example, I just put £20 quit in and after some 500 spins at £0.09 my balance shows £22.16. An excellent RTP - well above what the machine is meant to give out.

Will I cash out? Hell not - I want to be greedy and hit the big one!

My missus would have cashed out by now. She does it all the time she plays slots at Bingo. Her RTP must be well over 100%.
 
DOA findings Hot/Cold

I just conducted an interesting experiment and had some quite groundbreaking results. I did 200 autoplay rounds on DOA and I counted the dead spins from the last winning spin. I found that if it goes more than 5 dead spins from the last winner this is DOA cold. What you do is when the game hits a dead spin count in your head or on your fingers reset the count back to zero when you hit a win.

However to determine the slot is hot is definitely more complicated, but I would say a good idea is not by the size of the hits it's the frequency of the hits. For example take my session right now I'm playing at 18p and it went on flurries of about 10 winners(small winners but winners nevertheless). In theory if you get more than 3 winning spins regardless of sizes the game is hot. In my honest opinion.

I also have another finding which is not always so, but if you hit a feature as bad as just the payout of 4x for the 3 scatters you should always raise your bet to at least 2-3x, this isn't necessarily the case if you hit wins on top of the payout of 3 scatters.

So next time you play DOA focus primarily on how many dead spins you are getting since the last winner. This can give you a pretty good idea of how hot the game is.
I'm going to use my 5 dead spins strategy every time I play it now.
If you get more than 12 dead spins give it one more round to see if the feature comes in. If not I would either lower bet significantly until you see less dead spins. The kind of pattern you are looking for is a winner every 3 spins at the very least (I allow 5 to give it a chance of hitting.) Remember this is only a theory but it costs nothing to try and may just be a good way to get the hell of DOA before it sucks you dry!! :thumbsup:;)
 
I now feel with 100% certainty this slot does not function at 96% RTP all the time with equal chance of win every spin.
My results are so far outside natural variance in so may ways it is statistically impossible.

I now must have hit around 200 bonus rounds without hitting 5 wilds (I've never hit 5 wilds on this game) and I have only hit 5 extra wilds once in over 100 bonus rounds with may two 100X plus win.
Lately I hit between 1 and 4 sticky wilds and never hit a sticky wild in first few spins unless on 5th reel.
I haven't hit a 5OAK of better than glasses for thousands of spins. Actually my best win in main game for over a thousand spins is 4 stars lol.

I have played probably $100k by now and maybe 200,000 spins and not hit 5 scatters once either.

The main game has been around 55% RTP for thousands of spins and the free spin rounds maybe take that up to about 70% recent history.



Overall my RTP will be around 80% at best over my lifetime history.

I'm having to circumnavigate a lot of opposition and bureaucracy to get a full audit of my play at Net Ent since UKGC claim they have no jurisdiction over Net Ent games even though they their games are offered by by UKGC casinos?
When I queried that I got blanked so too it to the Department of Culture Media and Sport who are the Gov Dep responsible for UKGC.
They are obligated to respond but did not so I wrote them a 2nd letter and again no response.
I then took it to My MP and thus far have had no response there either but tomorrow I will formally request my MP to take it with the ombudsman who investigates Gov Dep as that is a legal requirement for me and my MP is duty bound to take it up.

I have requested audits from various casinos but the data I get is often conflicting with my personal records and there are many times where I have not recorded deposits or gameplay so I need a full and proper audit from Net ent.

When it is this difficult just to get an audit so that a player can ascertain whether a game/s and/or software are operating within specified parameters then one has to wonder just how transparent and open the industry really is, even under UKGC.

Who knows, maybe I will get a full audit and find that the game has played within standard deviation and I have just been very unlucky but I think it far more likely there will be serious issues with my results because I intend to get a lifetime audit Net Ent all games as well where the sample size cannot be questioned and where I am also certain my RTP will well below what is advertised.

When a casino audits its slots they always come in within a percent or two at most of expected RTP because the sample size smooths out any anomalies and so it should be with my stats yet I expect they many percentage points below what they should be.

Will I get my audit?
What will it show?

I don't know but the journey should be interesting and reveal some of the soft underbelly of remote casino regulation which is good for all those within the industry who are operating with integrity

Are you always playing at the same casino, or most of the time?

My advice is slightly tin foilish - but from the three wildlines i have had have been from casinos where i have played DOA the most. Choose the casino where you most play DOA, obviuosly keep bets low i.e. dont bet more than 250-300 times your bankroll, and see how you go over a few sessions deposit wise.
 
Are you always playing at the same casino, or most of the time?

My advice is slightly tin foilish - but from the three wildlines i have had have been from casinos where i have played DOA the most. Choose the casino where you most play DOA, obviuosly keep bets low i.e. dont bet more than 250-300 times your bankroll, and see how you go over a few sessions deposit wise.

My last wild line was at Maria Casino. It was only my second £25 deposit over there so whilst it may be the case for you, it is not for everybody.

dave1888 said:
I just conducted an interesting experiment and had some quite groundbreaking results. I did 200 autoplay rounds on DOA and I counted the dead spins from the last winning spin. I found that if it goes more than 5 dead spins from the last winner this is DOA cold. What you do is when the game hits a dead spin count in your head or on your fingers reset the count back to zero when you hit a win.

However to determine the slot is hot is definitely more complicated, but I would say a good idea is not by the size of the hits it's the frequency of the hits. For example take my session right now I'm playing at 18p and it went on flurries of about 10 winners(small winners but winners nevertheless). In theory if you get more than 3 winning spins regardless of sizes the game is hot. In my honest opinion.

I also have another finding which is not always so, but if you hit a feature as bad as just the payout of 4x for the 3 scatters you should always raise your bet to at least 2-3x, this isn't necessarily the case if you hit wins on top of the payout of 3 scatters.

So next time you play DOA focus primarily on how many dead spins you are getting since the last winner. This can give you a pretty good idea of how hot the game is.
I'm going to use my 5 dead spins strategy every time I play it now.
If you get more than 12 dead spins give it one more round to see if the feature comes in. If not I would either lower bet significantly until you see less dead spins. The kind of pattern you are looking for is a winner every 3 spins at the very least (I allow 5 to give it a chance of hitting.) Remember this is only a theory but it costs nothing to try and may just be a good way to get the hell of DOA before it sucks you dry!!

I understand that you may see patterns. However, that is not the case if the slot is truly random. If you were to see patterns then the slot is broke and needs to be taken down.

I have been playing this slot long enough to conclude there is no rhyme nor reason to it. All of my big wins came out of nowhere. There was no advance warning, no "hot" or "cold" spell - it just happened!
 
My last wild line was at Maria Casino. It was only my second £25 deposit over there so whilst it may be the case for you, it is not for everybody.



I understand that you may see patterns. However, that is not the case if the slot is truly random. If you were to see patterns then the slot is broke and needs to be taken down.

I have been playing this slot long enough to conclude there is no rhyme nor reason to it. All of my big wins came out of nowhere. There was no advance warning, no "hot" or "cold" spell - it just happened!

My advice was only from my experience and far from gospel.
 
My advice was only from my experience and far from gospel.

Given that the results of the spins comes direct from the Netent server (or so I understand it to be), it really doesn't matter where you play.

A casino may be lucky for you whilst another isn't. It is all in your mind as no casino has control over the outcome of the spins. An unlucky casino can within one spin turn into a lucky casino whilst you may experience a dry spell at your lucky one with it taking away all of your hard earned winnings over a period of time.
 
Given that the results of the spins comes direct from the Netent server (or so I understand it to be), it really doesn't matter where you play.

A casino may be lucky for you whilst another isn't. It is all in your mind as no casino has control over the outcome of the spins. An unlucky casino can within one spin turn into a lucky casino whilst you may experience a dry spell at your lucky one with it taking away all of your hard earned winnings over a period of time.

I did say in my post that it was slightly tin foilish - meaning take it with a grain of salt. Ive played casinos for a long time so i know how they work. Back on topic.
 
I think its truly random aswell as my wins have come out of nowhere. 2 weeks ago i played at a certain casino where the gameplay was unbelieveable and was sure it would throw me a wildline but had eventually lost my deposit. It was the next time i decided to try again because i had a feeling "it was due" and got the wildline haha!!
There are 2 casinos where i have made 40+ deposits where i still have not got the wildline and everytime i go back i keep saying "its bloody due" these are just unlucky casinos for me i guess and my fault for not stopping earlier maybe?
 
Nutty Doa

How is this for incredible I have been spinning DOA for about an hour and a half at Betat(maybe slightly longer) Starting balance €21.50

First feature took 181 spins and paid out 0.66 9c stake

Second feature took 31 spins and paid out 43.74 came very close to moneyline #5..

Third feature??... 404:system error for Dave DOA free spins feature not available. I've made an eyewatering 600 spins since the +497x bet feature and have a balance of 43.38!! This was continuing at 9c spins.

I'm trying a new idea moneyline at 9c then the next site at 18c and work up that way :thumbsup:

Update just got 3rd feature 4 scatter trigger and paid 9.59 +100x bet. Took 660 spins!!
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Do see loads of people are now playing this slot .Not quite sure how it works payout wise ..But with everyone trying surly its highlighted allot more and with all these "winning screenshots" people are looking for these massive wins .
 
Do see loads of people are now playing this slot .Not quite sure how it works payout wise ..But with everyone trying surly its highlighted allot more and with all these "winning screenshots" people are looking for these massive wins .

They take a very very long time normally. Play at 9p at first as you are a DOA newbie. Only once you are comfortable with the game should you play at higher stakes. I always recommend building a bankroll on other slots first too. :thumbsup:
 
I've played millions of spins on DoA over the years. Wild line twice in all those spins, never hit five scatters.

No matter how good a bonus round starts I never get them to line up. Had eight wilds after three spins yesterday but it still didn't complete a wild line.

I'm the fool for still playing DoA. :D
 
Guilty as charged for playing DOA too, tho I have had a bit of luck on it now and again (7 wild lines in 2 years, no 5 scatters - mixture of 0.18p and 0.09p bets)

I find DOA these days VERY BORING to play, yes there is that outside chance of a huge win but the wait just isn't worth it!

I tend now to play the slots I enjoy so win or lose at least I have had some pleasure and not been bored to tears!

Significantly reduced DOA play and just head for it with my last tenner or so!
 
Tin hat on :p

I play DOA equally on low (0.09-0.45) and medium bets (0.90 - 3.60) and that 1000's spins every week. Once in a while i go on a bender and play 4.50 - 9.00$ bets.

What is really strange is that i hit this base pay so many times on small bets but never had it at 0.90$ or higher. Highest was 0.54$.

Total stands at

- 9 x on bets 0.54 and lower,
- 0 x at medium bets
- and only to dream off at high bets :(

Tin hat off again :rolleyes:

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i went thru a first last cpl days too....almost 750 spins without a single feature, betting 0.36 p spin :(....DOA doesn't like me anymore....
 
Played it today at Bet-AT as well..... 6 x free spins between spin 53 - 169..... payouts 5 x between 6-10xbet and 1 x 25xbet :(

Would have thought at least one of them would be a decent payout. :confused: :rolleyes: Never more than 2 Wilds scattered on different paylines. After round 6 the usual 400 spins without a single pay worth mentioning.
 
I played close to 40,000 spins in 8 days now (with 4 active paylines).
Result:
5 scatters: 0
wildlines: 0

Yesterday I had a wildline... on an inactive payline :(

wagered around €12,000. RTP is around 90%. Gladly I only play €0.32 bets, so the lost money is not fatal, but it's sick how unbelievable many times I had the 5 respins without anything decent.

Call me fool to play a super high variance game with less paylines, making it an even higher variance game.
 
I posted this on the Betat Xmas trail but thought it worthwhile posting it again here. It was my 1st time hitting 5 scatters and was a delightful surprise this past weekend!

I pretty much stay away from playing any and all games 100's of spins in a row as from my experience it has been a recipe for a long downward spiral. If the game is paying, I stay with it for awhile. If not, I move on to other games. I know it's easy to get transfixed but it has seldom paid off for me and that "great win" never seems to come, no matter how stubbornly I wait for it. These games don't seem to take too kindly to "daring" lol and are apparently more patient than we are!

The free spins started here with the 5 scatters:

DOA omg1532.webp

And the final was here:

DOA omg2535.webp
 
Reality check time and all time low for me:

Deposit of £25. Starting off at £0.18 a spin and then £0.09 a spin when the balance drops to £18.

Spins at £0.18 - 82
Spins at £0.09 - 416

Total bonus rounds: zero!!!

Balance left: £0.07 - let not spend it all at once LOL

Oh well... must do better next time.
 

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