last night on dead or alive

[whatwhat]

And how do you know no ones ever had more than 3 wildlines.

The majority of gamblers that play slots never post or use forums. For every winning screenshot posted on this forum there will be thousands upon thousands of similar or better screenshots that never get posted online.

To put it in context there must be several hundred thousand people in UK alone that gamble yet their are probably a few hundred members at most in this forum from UK.

I answered this in an above post.

If a customer hit 4 wildlines fore example. That would most likley return 10 000x bet or more. You dont thing any casino would advertise a win like that??

 

[paul7388]

I answered this in an above post.

If a customer hit 4 wildlines fore example. That would most likley return 10 000x bet or more. You dont thing any casino would advertise a win like that??

A lot of casinos would only advertise it on their winners page and not in forums.

And no they wouldn't advertise most wins unless it was on a huge stake. Lets face it majority of people play DOA on small bets so even if you were playing 45p a spin 10000x would only really pay £4,500 which is not really a huge win for a casino as many people especially high rollers win more than that daily.

 

[whatwhat]

Another thing, I have deposited and lost ruffly 700 euros spinning 1 a spin in a casino the past week. DOA and other games. The last 3 deposits of 200-150 and 100 lasted me about 4-5 minutes. How do you explain this? Different days but its like my account is locked and cant produce normal line pays... Dead spin,dead spin x 50 then maybe 2-3 euros. Rinse and repeat....

 

[Jono777]

You will never trigger a a feature during a wild respin in JATB.

Yup! also true, should start a thread on this topic alone lol, then again bet there would be some right rows over these 'possibilities'

 

[brianmon]

Yup! also true, should start a thread on this topic alone lol, then again bet there would be some right rows over these 'possibilities'

or CFTBL. Different reels are used during re-spins

 

[citizenx]

Joke?

Had it many times. Yesterday even crazy one. Got wild on reel 5, next spin feature. Then wild move few spins, and on when it was on reel 1 another feature
Two FS feature in one spin

I've found that on most free spins triggers there's usually a wild but only on the spin that the wild first appears on. I've never seen a bonus trigger during the subsequent respins. Not once!

 

[madmantrue]

I got today my first bigger win 344€ in 18cnt bet . That all starts when i win 1€ in 5 freespins in hook"s heroes . So in gambling everything is possible .

 

[whatwhat]

Again lost about 1000 on this game playing 0.90... Paid nothing as usuall. I must be down 20K now.. Without getting a wildline.

 

[citizenx]

Again lost about 1000 on this game playing 0.90... Paid nothing as usuall. I must be down 20K now.. Without getting a wildline.

If you're going to keep plugging away at that level then what do you expect?

Why not play at lower stakes to begin with - which is what everyone suggests ad infinitum.

 

[paul7388]

Again lost about 1000 on this game playing 0.90... Paid nothing as usuall. I must be down 20K now.. Without getting a wildline.

you could play it for years more and never hit a wildline. And you could play 10 spins a day for next week and get a wildline every day.

You are spending so much to chase a dream hit that will not even come close to recouping your losses if and when you get it. Just don't understand why people believe and feel they are somehow guaranteed a great win on this slot and get disappointed and mad when it never comes.

The slots so high variance and for every player that wins £10000 on a £1 bet others have to lose about the same just to balance the books.
The fact it pays such huge wins should give people the hint that its not going to happen often so why chase it.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Again lost about 1000 on this game playing 0.90... Paid nothing as usuall. I must be down 20K now.. Without getting a wildline.

I lost over $7K in 2 days on DOA in February when i started playing it seriously, betting 4.50- 9.00, partially 18.00$, thinking that i will surely hit a big one if i just chuck in enough..... bo**ocks .... was a hard lesson but i have memorized it well.

Did you read a post from me complaining about it??? Of course not, we all are adults playing a game of chance and we know that we will mostly lose our deposits with not much happening.

Playing DOA will bust you every time, guaranteed, if you don't hit a WL, 5 x scatter or at least the 5 extra spins. It is not like other slots where you will have lots of medium payouts in the bonus rounds, like 50-100x bet. DOA is either 4-20 x bet or in the 100's x bet, rarely anything in between and even rarer in the 1000's x bet. Hence, you have to play with small bets as much as possible to save your balance and extend your playtime. Staying constantly on the same bet size will result in a sure loss. DOA has pretty clear "cold" and "hot" periods, hence you have to hit it hard when it is hot and reduce to very low bets when it is cold. I know this sounds now like i know it all, clearly i don't......Sometimes I still fall into the trap and stay on high bets trying to force something to come in which of course rarely happens, only to tell me then another lesson learned.

You will only be successful on this slot if you have a lot patience, can deal with many disappointing sessions and pure boredom, can wait for the right moments to go on higher bets etc etc. Moaning and complaining all the time will certainly not improve your results.

Grow up, take it on the chin and stay on DOA or move on to other low-medium variance slots.

 

[Dinahnana]

I lost over $7K in 2 days on DOA in February when i started playing it seriously, betting 4.50- 9.00, partially 18.00$, thinking that i will surely hit a big one if i just chuck in enough..... bo**ocks .... was a hard lesson but i have memorized it well.

Did you read a post from me complaining about it??? Of course not, we all are adults playing a game of chance and we know that we will mostly lose our deposits with not much happening.

Playing DOA will bust you every time, guaranteed, if you don't hit a WL, 5 x scatter or at least the 5 extra spins. It is not like other slots where you will have lots of medium payouts in the bonus rounds, like 50-100x bet. DOA is either 4-20 x bet or in the 100's x bet, rarely anything in between and even rarer in the 1000's x bet. Hence, you have to play with small bets as much as possible to save your balance and extend your playtime. Staying constantly on the same bet size will result in a sure loss. DOA has pretty clear "cold" and "hot" periods, hence you have to hit it hard when it is hot and reduce to very low bets when it is cold. I know this sounds now like i know it all, clearly i don't......Sometimes I still fall into the trap and stay on high bets trying to force something to come in which of course rarely happens, only to tell me then another lesson learned.

You will only be successful on this slot if you have a lot patience, can deal with many disappointing sessions and pure boredom, can wait for the right moments to go on higher bets etc etc. Moaning and complaining all the time will certainly not improve your results.

Grow up, take it on the chin and stay on DOA or move on to other low-medium variance slots.

Harry I agree with your post 100%. DOA is not a slot to conquer, it's a slot to coax which takes patience and a good bankroll. I do play it quite often and get the same wins as you described.

I have never gotten the 5 scatters and only got the wild line bonus twice once at 0.45 bet and the second a couple of weeks ago at 0.09 bet. I think I have only gotten the 5 extra spins a total of 10 times. This is over thousands and thousands of spins over a course of two years. I approach this slot with caution and only give it a certain amount of my bankroll in any given Netent session. I always hope for the big hit but never expect it and honestly I don't feel disappointed when I don't get it.

It's DOA you can hit huge but mostly you don't. I think that is why the slot is called Dead or Alive. The hint is in the name

Of course I still play it all the time at varying bets but never over 0.90 cause that would be bankroll suicide in very short order

 

[interlog]

There is no strategy to this slot. I tried it. Thought that the wild line must be due now because I have done 20,000 spins and some 200 bonus rounds. Upped the bet but nothing materialised. Dropped the bet down to bare minimum and in it dropped - well gutted but a lesson learned.

I have since not played this slot at bets higher than £0.45. I drop down to £0.27 when the balance hits £75. Drop down to £0.18 when it hits £36 and finally drop it down to £0.09 when it hits £18. If I start with a £25 deposit, I start at £0.18 a spin and then drop to £0.09 when the balance goes down to £18.

At least - for me - that gives me some play time and more spins/bonuses because of it.

 

[mina1929]

I love playing Dead or Alive it's a challenge I guess. I did win a few times at different casinos, had five scatters a couple of times and wild lines as well but not for a few weeks now but when I do win again I will be posting it up for sure, it is something to look forward to or not lol

 

[Casino2014man]

I have a quick question for all the DOA players.

I started playing JUST DOA about 2 weeks ago, have made around 15 deposits of £20-£50. I never normally play it as it bores me to death, but I thought I fancy one of those wild lines.

Playing 9p-36p depending how I feel, with around 1-2 bonus sessions per deposit.

I have not hit more than 2 wilds in free spins, usually I get 0-1, and I have had no wins over about 7x.

I just wondered how long it took you all to get a wild line? It is not something I will chase, believe me, I find the game too boring but I was just curious!

 

[Harry_BKK]

I have a quick question for all the DOA players.

I started playing JUST DOA about 2 weeks ago, have made around 15 deposits of £20-£50. I never normally play it as it bores me to death, but I thought I fancy one of those wild lines.

Playing 9p-36p depending how I feel, with around 1-2 bonus sessions per deposit.

I have not hit more than 2 wilds in free spins, usually I get 0-1, and I have had no wins over about 7x.

I just wondered how long it took you all to get a wild line? It is not something I will chase, believe me, I find the game too boring but I was just curious!

- 5 months - 1st 5 x scatter
- 5.5 months - 1st WL

Average daily play of appr. 6.000 spins.

The following 3 months:

- Another 4 x 5 scatter
- Another 8 WL's

 

[mina1929]

I have a quick question for all the DOA players.

I started playing JUST DOA about 2 weeks ago, have made around 15 deposits of £20-£50. I never normally play it as it bores me to death, but I thought I fancy one of those wild lines.

Playing 9p-36p depending how I feel, with around 1-2 bonus sessions per deposit.

I have not hit more than 2 wilds in free spins, usually I get 0-1, and I have had no wins over about 7x.

I just wondered how long it took you all to get a wild line? It is not something I will chase, believe me, I find the game too boring but I was just curious!

When I first started playing DOA I received my first wildline just after about a hundred spins withdrew and played the same game at another casino won again $2000 withdrew and finally another great casino won again about a thousand dollars. That was in august and a few weeks ago at Video slots where I play a lot lately( great casino by the way) won 5 scatters and had the wildline as well a bit later, that took me a few thousand spins. I mostly bet 18c and sometimes 36c when I'm up. I haven't won anything for a few weeks now but it's patience and betting 9c to start off with might be a good idea. I also deposit between $20-$50. Just play for a while, leave the game go shopping or something and continue to play later. Good luck and I hope you do get those wildlines

 

[sueyh]

I like this slot because when it pays big, it really pays big with small bet-less than 50cents bet, could win more than 1k.
But when it is cold.....

Last night, I bet 27 cents with $27 in my account...probably 300 spins or so...no bonus round.
Tonight 45 cents bet with $60 in my account...probably close to 500 spins...no bonus round.

 

[goatwack]

Harry I agree with your post 100%. DOA is not a slot to conquer, it's a slot to coax which takes patience and a good bankroll. I do play it quite often and get the same wins as you described.

Sorry but this just reminds me of Swiss Toni from The Fast Show, couldn't help it. ''Playing DOA is like making love to a beautiful woman''

 

[jackanory2279]

I have a quick question for all the DOA players.

I started playing JUST DOA about 2 weeks ago, have made around 15 deposits of £20-£50. I never normally play it as it bores me to death, but I thought I fancy one of those wild lines.

Playing 9p-36p depending how I feel, with around 1-2 bonus sessions per deposit.

I have not hit more than 2 wilds in free spins, usually I get 0-1, and I have had no wins over about 7x.

I just wondered how long it took you all to get a wild line? It is not something I will chase, believe me, I find the game too boring but I was just curious!

ive had 1 wildline and that was on the last spin of 5 extra spins.. never had 5 scatters.. i would say ive had a few hundred thousand spins.

unless you get extrememly lucky or you are just looking to have more time with your money.. its best to avoid this slot.

 

[SpinUk]

Just wondered everyones thoughts on bonus play with DOA, is the general rule to ALWAYS play with a bonus? If so what size of bonus would you tend to take - the largest available?

 

[jackanory2279]

Just wondered everyones thoughts on bonus play with DOA, is the general rule to ALWAYS play with a bonus? If so what size of bonus would you tend to take - the largest available?

how much can you afford to lose?
how much you spend is down to player choice. you can win with 10or20 deposit.
but DOA is a slot you need to sit and play for hours with a large deposit to have a good chance of a decent win
mostly when ive took a bonus ive won without using the bonus money.. so you end up kinda stuck trying to wager money.

 

[interlog]

The game is not being very kind to me lately. At this moment in time it has been 1,200 spins without a bonus round - a new record for me that I do not wish to beat in the future!

 

[Harry_BKK]

The game is not being very kind to me lately. At this moment in time it has been 1,200 spins without a bonus round - a new record for me that I do not wish to beat in the future!

yeah mate, been toiling myself on it as well the past week. Had a nice WL at Bet-AT on 30th Sep but only at 0.27$, paid some 900$.... not even extra spins since then.

today was filling-up day for my gaming kitty and on i went with bets between 1.80-9.00$ and lost first in a hurry 1800$ before recovering to 1100$ which i withdrew. just had another session and withdrew 650$, so at least nearly back to even.

had though about 10 x 4 scatter in the past 2 days, just never 5x

 

[Casino2014man]

yeah mate, been toiling myself on it as well the past week. Had a nice WL at Bet-AT on 30th Sep but only at 0.27$, paid some 900$.... not even extra spins since then.

today was filling-up day for my gaming kitty and on i went with bets between 1.80-9.00$ and lost first in a hurry 1800$ before recovering to 1100$ which i withdrew. just had another session and withdrew 650$, so at least nearly back to even.

had though about 10 x 4 scatter in the past 2 days, just never 5x

Whats the highest bet you have had a wildline on?

 

[Harry_BKK]

Whats the highest bet you have had a wildline on?

Too lazy to open my records mate, hence i list them from my memory, which is pretty bad tbh

9 x WL

- 2 @ 0.45AUD
- 3 @ 0.90AUD
- 1 @ 1.80AUD
- 1 @ 1.80EUR
- 1 @ 4.50EUR (13.5K payout)
- 1 @ 0.27AUD - best payout/bet ratio, appr. 3350X bet

 

[jackanory2279]

yeah mate, been toiling myself on it as well the past week. Had a nice WL at Bet-AT on 30th Sep but only at 0.27$, paid some 900$.... not even extra spins since then.

today was filling-up day for my gaming kitty and on i went with bets between 1.80-9.00$ and lost first in a hurry 1800$ before recovering to 1100$ which i withdrew. just had another session and withdrew 650$, so at least nearly back to even.

had though about 10 x 4 scatter in the past 2 days, just never 5x

i would love that win.. i keep saying as soon as the big 1 comes in ill quit playing it.. its just never coming

 

[Harry_BKK]

i would love that win.. i keep saying as soon as the big 1 comes in ill quit playing it.. its just never coming

Believe me Jack, once you have one you will go for the second, then for the third, then for the 5 x scatter etc etc

 

[interlog]

High variance for this game is not the word. Started another session and the 1st 900 spins resulted in 9 bonus rounds. RTP at that point in time was 97.9%.

Then - coincidence or not (perhaps paranoia is setting in) - I had a disconnect from the server so had to restart the game.

It is going downhill from then - it has now been 650 spins without a bonus round and the RTP plummeted to 83.2%.

Will give it a rest for an hour or so and start it up again in the hope that somebody put the scatters back in the game again!!!

 

[dave1888]

Standard big win DOA

This took over 1000 spins to get other features I got were under 10x bet returned and better ones approximately 70-110x. I continued at mixed bet sizes and busted out was going for a biggy such a tough game to tame again Got the feature at least 16 times. Possibly more. Crazy slot it really is can come in one hundred spins or 5000spins wish I could master it like Rolastan and Blathaon and co

These 2 pics are the same feature expected much much much more!!

 

[Harry_BKK]

This took over 1000 spins to get other features I got were under 10x bet returned and better ones approximately 70-110x. I continued at mixed bet sizes and busted out was going for a biggy such a tough game to tame again Got the feature at least 16 times. Possibly more. Crazy slot it really is can come in one hundred spins or 5000spins wish I could master it like Rolastan and Blathaon and co

These 2 pics are the same feature expected much much much more!!

That is nearly 500x bet, not to shabby dave TBH

I had just in the past 36 hours about 10 times a similar situation, always WILD Nr. 5 missing, mostly reel 1 or 2.

Also standing at 13 x 4 scatter as well!!!

You would think one will roll in but just won't do it, still already nice wins when you have 4 wild lined up.

Good luck

 

[dave1888]

That is nearly 500x bet, not to shabby dave TBH

I had just in the past 36 hours about 10 times a similar situation, always WILD Nr. 5 missing, mostly reel 1 or 2.

Also standing at 13 x 4 scatter as well!!!

You would think one will roll in but just won't do it, still already nice wins when you have 4 wild lined up.

Good luck

This also came from a 4 scatter! Oh that's the other gutting one I narrowly missed out on 5 scatter last night too all 4 landed on first 4 reels and the 5th teasingly sciffed past

 

[JackMack]

So latest update.

Still not hit 5 scatters or wild line on bonus.
In fact I have now gone around 200 bonus rounds without triggering 5 extra spins lol
Must be well over 300 bonus rounds without ever hitting wild line.

My overall RTP on this slot with over 100k spins clocked is <80% :notworthy Net Ent.

Still battling to get my Net Ent play audited.
Now having to go through government departments

 

[interlog]

I will join your club

Since my last wild line, I have now done 53,598 spins and 332 bonus rounds. My RTP over 129,907 spins and 807 bonus rounds is 96.83% during which I had 3 wild lines. If you take into account total money put in against taken out (I don't always bet the same size) the RTP is 82.61%.

This is not taken into account 3 massive wins that I had prior to keeping detailed statistics. My RTP would be well up if that was taken into account.

 

[interlog]

Update on the above: a total of 80,082 spins have been made and 489 bonus rounds played through since my last wild line win. My worst wait for one ever. But despite making all those extra spins, my overall RTP went up to 96.87% from 96.83% - work that one out!!!

 

[JackMack]

Well I finally hit the extra 5 spins but no wild-line and won around x200 bet which is nothing given this slots takes thousands at 75% RTP.
After that win I got 55% RTP until bust hitting just 1 bonus round that paid zip, hmmmm.

My results are so far outside standard deviation/natural variance that there can be zero dispute the game uses weighting algorithms.
It seems other people are getting around the theoretical RTP which is something but how do you account for scatters and wilds going AWOL on first 2 reels for long periods? I assume that must be the same for other people too?

BTW just did 30 on. 27 bets no bonus, no wins over x 5 bet (that was only win of pictured 4 OAK LOL) around 50% RTP. not bad when you are grands down already. :notworthy

 

[Janek12]

My results are so far outside standard deviation/natural variance that there can be zero dispute the game uses weighting algorithms.

As a rule of thumb, I use roulette for comparison of probabilities.
It is not too uncommon to see a number (which should appear every 36 spins on the average) not appearing for ca 360 spins.
I once saw a line (a group of 6 numbers, which should appear every 6 spins on the average) not appearing for 75 spins.

Therefore, I personally accept as "normal variance" if an event does not occur for 10-15 times the average number of spins/attempts in which the event statistically occurs in a very large sample (i.e. 10-15 times the odds).

Meaning that I presume that it is "normal variance" if a free spin feature on a slot does not appear for 1500-2000 spins.
Or if a royal flush does not appear for 400-600 thousand hands on videopoker.

And if a wildline on DoA appears once every 110 bonus rounds, then 1100 bonus rounds (let alone your 300 bonus rounds) on DoA without a wildline would be nothing out of the ordinary IMO.

 

[sledge13]

Pure nasty evil slot preying on us...

 

[cortexx066]

I'd say although frustrating, any slot you can put a lot in and not get much or if anything back. There was a time when I put around £300-£500 on one slot and I just kept getting little wins. It just depends on when the machine pays out, how often its paid out, and when the most recent payout was.

 

[JackMack]

As a rule of thumb, I use roulette for comparison of probabilities.
It is not too uncommon to see a number (which should appear every 36 spins on the average) not appearing for ca 360 spins.
I once saw a line (a group of 6 numbers, which should appear every 6 spins on the average) not appearing for 75 spins.

Therefore, I personally accept as "normal variance" if an event does not occur for 10-15 times the average number of spins/attempts in which the event statistically occurs in a very large sample (i.e. 10-15 times the odds).

Meaning that I presume that it is "normal variance" if a free spin feature on a slot does not appear for 1500-2000 spins.
Or if a royal flush does not appear for 400-600 thousand hands on videopoker.

And if a wildline on DoA appears once every 110 bonus rounds, then 1100 bonus rounds (let alone your 300 bonus rounds) on DoA without a wildline would be nothing out of the ordinary IMO.

You are sort of comparing apples and oranges really but more importantly you are taking the worse anomaly after the event and using that as a statistic in your roulette example.
If I roll a dice 100 times and then check for the number that came in least I am just checking any random variance but if I first select a number and then roll the dice 100 times the chances of that number coming in an irregular number of times is 6 times less likely.
This is important because the Scatter and wild symbols are the most important symbols and if you were to check you wouldn't find the same anomalies occurring with other lesser symbols such as J,Q,K for example. (taking account of the relative probabilities)

For the probability of scatter landing (where 1 scatter is on the reel such as reel 1 and 2 on DOA)You need the amount of symbols on the reel divided by 3 for probability (assuming no weighting)
I doubt DOA reels are 50 symbols long, certainly look a lot shorter when lags and spins round full. If it were 30 symbols long the scatter should appear 1 in 10 spins on average.
Of course natural variance would dictate it would sometimes not hit in many more spins and sometimes come in much more frequently.
So over 150 spins for example if it came in twice over the first 100 spins (a very regular occurrence on DOA) then it would need to hit another 13 times in the next 50 spins to keep the average (like every 3 spins for 50 spins! Doesn't happen)
Obviously we would need a much bigger sample and the anomaly would not be quite so obvious but it certainly exists.
More telling is the fact that the Wild symbols also seem to come in much less regularly on reels 1 and 2 over the same periods.

Another anomaly seems to be that it is nigh on impossible to hit the bonus round when hitting the 1st two scatters.
I have triggered it once out of well over 50 attempts which is crazy but granted that could be just bad luck with such a sample size.

I expect the average for trigger free spins is somewhere around 150 spins or so according to other peoples stats yet I estimate I'm hitting every 250 spins if I'm lucky! And that is of a very decent sample size so it is massively irregular.
Maybe I will hit the bonus round every spin for 200 spins though and it will event out?

As for a wildline, if it 1 in 100 chance then yeah you could go a thousand rounds without hitting it but you neglect the flipside which you could also hit a wildline a few times in a hundred rounds.
Free spin rounds on most slots are less likely than a wildline in bonus rounds - around 1 in 150 rather than 1 in 100 and it you would be extremely unlucky to go a thousand spins without a trigger.

Thing is all these anomalies are ALWAYS in the slots favour.
I'm certain there is no game I have played over 100k spins and I'm ahead of the curve on.
Any game I hit well on I always have bad losing streaks on to equal things out - doesn't seem to work the other way around though which is a law of probability I am not familiar with.

I have lost thousands of dollars low rolling this year alone and very seldom have a chance of cashout.
I guess if your experience is different then it is hard to get your head around but I've been playing online for many years and my results seem to get worse and worse.

I'm currently trying to cut back on my playtime because even on the rare occasion I hit something and get ahead the casino (whichever) will just go completely dead all games - always. Yeah you can expect to lose if you keep playing but what is with the shut down and 65% RTP?

Anyway, I just want to hit a damn wild-line or 5 scatters on DOA just for the sake of it now.
Blind squirrels and all that.

 

[interlog]

I'd say although frustrating, any slot you can put a lot in and not get much or if anything back. There was a time when I put around £300-£500 on one slot and I just kept getting little wins. It just depends on when the machine pays out, how often its paid out, and when the most recent payout was.

The bolded and latter part should not apply. These online slots don't have a memory and don't care how much has been put in when it comes to deciding it is going to pay big or not.

 

[interlog]

You are sort of comparing apples and oranges really but more importantly you are taking the worse anomaly after the event and using that as a statistic in your roulette example.
If I roll a dice 100 times and then check for the number that came in least I am just checking any random variance but if I first select a number and then roll the dice 100 times the chances of that number coming in an irregular number of times is 6 times less likely.
This is important because the Scatter and wild symbols are the most important symbols and if you were to check you wouldn't find the same anomalies occurring with other lesser symbols such as J,Q,K for example. (taking account of the relative probabilities)

For the probability of scatter landing (where 1 scatter is on the reel such as reel 1 and 2 on DOA)You need the amount of symbols on the reel divided by 3 for probability (assuming no weighting)
I doubt DOA reels are 50 symbols long, certainly look a lot shorter when lags and spins round full. If it were 30 symbols long the scatter should appear 1 in 10 spins on average.
Of course natural variance would dictate it would sometimes not hit in many more spins and sometimes come in much more frequently.
So over 150 spins for example if it came in twice over the first 100 spins (a very regular occurrence on DOA) then it would need to hit another 13 times in the next 50 spins to keep the average (like every 3 spins for 50 spins! Doesn't happen)
Obviously we would need a much bigger sample and the anomaly would not be quite so obvious but it certainly exists.
More telling is the fact that the Wild symbols also seem to come in much less regularly on reels 1 and 2 over the same periods.

Another anomaly seems to be that it is nigh on impossible to hit the bonus round when hitting the 1st two scatters.
I have triggered it once out of well over 50 attempts which is crazy but granted that could be just bad luck with such a sample size.

I expect the average for trigger free spins is somewhere around 150 spins or so according to other peoples stats yet I estimate I'm hitting every 250 spins if I'm lucky! And that is of a very decent sample size so it is massively irregular.
Maybe I will hit the bonus round every spin for 200 spins though and it will event out?

As for a wildline, if it 1 in 100 chance then yeah you could go a thousand rounds without hitting it but you neglect the flipside which you could also hit a wildline a few times in a hundred rounds.
Free spin rounds on most slots are less likely than a wildline in bonus rounds - around 1 in 150 rather than 1 in 100 and it you would be extremely unlucky to go a thousand spins without a trigger.

Thing is all these anomalies are ALWAYS in the slots favour.
I'm certain there is no game I have played over 100k spins and I'm ahead of the curve on.
Any game I hit well on I always have bad losing streaks on to equal things out - doesn't seem to work the other way around though which is a law of probability I am not familiar with.

I have lost thousands of dollars low rolling this year alone and very seldom have a chance of cashout.
I guess if your experience is different then it is hard to get your head around but I've been playing online for many years and my results seem to get worse and worse.

I'm currently trying to cut back on my playtime because even on the rare occasion I hit something and get ahead the casino (whichever) will just go completely dead all games - always. Yeah you can expect to lose if you keep playing but what is with the shut down and 65% RTP?

Anyway, I just want to hit a damn wild-line or 5 scatters on DOA just for the sake of it now.
Blind squirrels and all that.

With regards the point of reels 1 and 2 having a scatter, reel 3 not having one - I too find that when this happens the scatters don't appear very frequently on reels 4 or 5. Every time 1 and 2 drop in , 3 doesn't drop in, I know there will be no bonus round. It maybe happened once during the past 500 or so bonus rounds for me. Equally, I have noticed that when there is already a win line (even the lowest paying one) and two scatters drop in, the chance of the 3rd scatter dropping in is less than if there is not already a win line when the first two scatters drop in.

 

[brianmon]

I doubt DOA reels are 50 symbols long, certainly look a lot shorter when lags and spins round full. If it were 30 symbols long the scatter should appear 1 in 10 spins on average.

You will NEVER EVER see the full reel strip during a spin, No matter how slow or lagging the spin is.
During a spin, a section of the reel is looped which usually doesn't even include the section which will finally fall into place.
I'd say the reels are easily 50+ symbols long.

I once counted the scatters on each reel, by noting the symbols above and below each on when they landed on the centre line. I can't remember exactly what the totals were, I think reels 1,3,4 & 5 had between 2 and 4 scatters each. But reel 2 had only 1 scatter on the whole reel

 

[citizenx]

As most of you will know from my posting history, I play DOA every day and on average get a wildline every week to ten days.

My last one was on 17th Sept and i've had a mega-drought since then. Supplemented my real money play by playing in fun mode just to see what I can get.

Was absolutely gutted yesterday when I got a wildline on the second spin. No screenshot as I was so sick I closed the window, dived in for real play and got nothing.

Anyway, the drought finally ended with a £190 win (9p stakes as usual) at Guts. Screenshot didn't take for some reason but I don't care!

Was literally down to my last £6 of playing funds when it hit.

Nothing worse for us DOA fans than a prolonged period of no wins but there's something really satisfying when it hits!

 

[dave1888]

Good plan for more DOA playtime or suicide?

I have come up with what I think could be a helpful method for DOA players if you play somewhere with quad play available open DOA of course and then click the two boxes symbol on the right instead of the 4 box symbol open a low-medium variance games. Some games that work excellent are Magic Portals/Hitman/jungle games/secret of the stones/Subtopia (or if you are good at it Video poker) while you autoplay DOA. The reason for selecting these games is the big wins tend to appear more frequently as do the features(with the exception of Hitman) I have added Hitman to the list because of the amazing Laptop bonus round(always pick Daniel Morris) That's why I'd say Hitman is the number one choice to perform this method. I set Hitman to 250 spins at 15-30p type in stop on win of 1500(£15) or more. Beware after it hits this win size or more get the hell off it I got destroyed after a 19.88 feature on 15p spins and I stuck to 15p the entire time! After hitting this win size change to one of my other suggestions. As for the DOA bet size set it to the size of your choice but a helpful tip I have is set the game to stop when cash increases by say 100-150x your bet size. This way you can take a second to assess your session how good or bad free spins have been? how frequently you are getting the feature? How is the base game paying out? has it been cold, hot? etc etc and change bet size if necessary. For your side game I'd recommend minimum bet or x2 at a maximum. The slots suggested can pay pretty big at minimum and all either retrigger(apart from Hitman) or have free spins that go on for ages(Subtopia). Now for the Suicidal plan play DOA and a super high variance game such as Reel Steal,Gonzo,BDBA etc Highly recommend minimum for this(remember you are only using the side slot as cannon fodder for DOA) Best of luck if you try this I got hours of playtime doing this the other day DOA just didn't pay big though sadly!

Places I know that you can Quad play are Royal Panda,Redbet,Video slots(for some countries not UK) if you know any more places let me know please.

 

[Jono777]

Nothing special but thought I'd share this as it's the first time I've seen a double 5OAK picture symbols (two different symbols, outside of FS)

 

[dave1888]

Nothing special but thought I'd share this as it's the first time I've seen a double 5OAK picture symbols (two different symbols, outside of FS)

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Wait till you get the hat trick by this I mean it goes on a streak of hitting 5 hats my record I think is 4 times in 50 spins! No joke. I couldn't believe it and I was doing 36p spins at the time.

 

[asadzareef89]

appropriate thread for this littler story

I was tired last night but wanted to have a few spins on doa, deposit 20 quid at betat, few wins here and there , went up to 55 then down to 27, put my bet up from 0.27p to 0.36p, advance option selected stop if balance decreases by 15 or if free spins are won, 250 spins selected,

After a few spins i fell asleep, in the morning woke up for work and just b4 i was about to get out i rememberd so looked at the laptop and my balance was 33 quid and free spins waiting, refreshed and logged back in. started the bonus round and a wildline drops(my 1st at betat). This is what you call magic mondays

 

[mina1929]

Looks like DOA is coming back to life, I will try again sometimes this week as had bad luck with it lately at about 5 different casinos or six and they were all the same, dead Now the question is which casino should I try my luck on playing my favourite game DOA.

 

[PaaskeDenmark]

Looks like DOA is coming back to life, I will try again sometimes this week as had bad luck with it lately at about 5 different casinos or six and they were all the same, dead Now the question is which casino should I try my luck on playing my favourite game DOA.

Does not matter where or when you play. What matters is that random number you pick from the server That DOA has come back to life is also something you cant use for anything trust me or I hope you do know that. Only way to have a proper chance to get the big one is at least $/€/£50 and do 0,09 or 0,18 as max. Or use higher bankroll if can afford it. But only try it for amount you can afford. Even when I could afford I have burned my myself back when I won the smaller jackpot at 32red. I would make deposits of £200 and €200 at 6 different casinos doing around 0,90-1,80 playing 6 open windows of DOA same time and some sessions were okay but mostly ended up with zero in all account within couple hours