New Slot Announcement King of Cats Megaways by Big Time Gaming

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This games is BTG's first with 'Player Select' where you choose from Puma or Lion mode in the base game.
Each has their own specific wilds and these wilds get increasing multipliers in the free games in both modes.
Not a bad game at all, a bit different from recent editions.

 

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This games is BTG's first with 'Player Select' where you choose from Puma or Lion mode in the base game.
Each has their own specific wilds and these wilds get increasing multipliers in the free games in both modes.
Not a bad game at all, a bit different from recent editions.

What happened to the end of the video lol, showed one bonus then you started on the second type of game and the video just ends :confused:
 

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What happened to the end of the video lol, showed one bonus then you started on the second type of game and the video just ends :confused:
Ahem, cough, the demo slot had a bug whereby the auto-play in Puma mode seized up the game, couldn't get it back, still can't as it's frozen. They know about it, just didn't tell me so a good job I did the Lion mode first.
 

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See @Big Time Gaming are using a streamer to promote this who is breaking UKGC rules on age gating his videos on youtube, and is streaming live on youtube in the morning.
Is that really acceptable for a company like yourselves Nick? Or is it the new owners who don't give a fuck about rules?

Couple of members just discussing about how legit the industry is because of all the regulations.

Where does this kind of thing sit in terms of consequences?

What happens if this gets back to the regulators? Fine or slap on the wrist? Am I correct in thinking BTG and Evolutions liability is null because the responsibility lies with the streamer?
 

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Couple of members just discussing about how legit the industry is because of all the regulations.

Where does this kind of thing sit in terms of consequences?

What happens if this gets back to the regulators? Fine or slap on the wrist? Am I correct in thinking BTG and Evolutions liability is null because the responsibility lies with the streamer?
Well thats a good question, I haven't read slots providers licenses so I genuinely don't know.
However, as Nick has said previously how committed he is to responsible gambling, it seems strange he is promoting a streamer who is quite happy for children to watch his streams, by refusing to have any age gating in place.
The same streamer who thinks being in Ireland means he doesn't have to age gate, but thats not the rules. Another streamer who thinks they don't apply to him. Well, more so the casinos he promotes think they don't apply, or they would have closed his affiliate accounts by now, isn't that right @Betsson-Group (Rizk), @David G (Jonny Jackpot), @Novibet Rep, @LeoVegas Rep to name a few casinos who currently advertise on his site.
 

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I don't think this is an issue Colin. Not only am I not actively targeting the UK (I'm playing in Euros and my site is Geo-targeted - we are not looking specifically for traffic from any one region), but there will be no Casino branding or logos shown in tomorrows stream. Furthermore, there won't be any links even to my own site. It's just a stream to show off the game itself, not to actively promote a Casino or even my own affiliate site.

Nick and BigTimeGaming are committed to responsible gambling, as I am myself. There is a desire for this content from the YouTube audience, and if it fails to be provided by legitimate streamers such as myself, then its place will be filled by those who are prepared to play with fake money and ferry people through Black Market unregulated Casinos. I have no wish for my content to be presented to an immature audience, and it is an unfortunate consequence of the Youtube algorithm that age-gating the content effectively removes it from the platform. I'm sure @dunover will attest to this. I'm sure your intentions are very honourable, but I'm actually working at the sharp end of it all and I see the real world alternatives and consequences. If you have actively consumed my content and believe it to be targeting children in any way, then please contact me privately and I'll endeavour to make changes to counter this.
 

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I'm sorry mate, but I disagree about the targeting.

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That is your website you link from youtube. Every one of those are displayed in UK currency, yet you claim not to be actively targeting the UK. Which other countries use UK£'s?
You also say your site is geotargeted, so clearly by having it direct to UK adverts, you are specifically targeting the UK. If you weren't, you would have the UK landing page state 'sorry, we cannot show offers to your country at the current time'.

On top of that the UKGC have confirmed to me that any affiliate that has any adverts that UK players can sign up through, then they would consider that targeting the UK. An exception may be made if all the adverts are in a different currency and there are no references to the UK, which I know you do on non uk pages.

As regards the streams tomorrow, then fair enough, if there is no casino branding nor links, then I don't see anything wrong with that, and I apologise for that part, but obviously BTG didn't state that, so I wasn't to know. It still doesn't get round the fact, if you age gate children won't be able to access it, if you don't, they can.

Not sure age gating kills the content as you suggest. There are rather large streamers out there who age gate and still get high numbers of views, Chipmonkz for example, just had a quick look and he seems to be getting 4-5k views on videos after a few days, so not really bad numbers?

Just to make one thing clear though, I didn't say you were targeting kids, I said you were happy for them to watch. I know you will disagree, but the whole point of age gating being introduced was to stop children watching this content. By not age gating you are knowingly allowing them to, then presumably happy to do so, otherwise you could click to age gate them.

I have watched a few of your videos and think they are better (much better in fact) than many streamers out there, but that doesn't change the fact that you should follow the rules.

If people think they can interpret the rules how they want, all that happens is the UKGC clamp down harder, and that then causes problems for the thousands of other affiliates out there, who are doing things properly,

Anyway, I didn't mention your name as didn't want to single you out like that, there are dozens of others doing exactly the same, a lot playing in UK£'s with no age gating and websites with only UK banners on them, no geotargeting at all. So good luck tomorrow see if you can get a decent bonus :)
 

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I don't think this is an issue Colin. Not only am I not actively targeting the UK (I'm playing in Euros and my site is Geo-targeted - we are not looking specifically for traffic from any one region), but there will be no Casino branding or logos shown in tomorrows stream. Furthermore, there won't be any links even to my own site. It's just a stream to show off the game itself, not to actively promote a Casino or even my own affiliate site.

Nick and BigTimeGaming are committed to responsible gambling, as I am myself. There is a desire for this content from the YouTube audience, and if it fails to be provided by legitimate streamers such as myself, then its place will be filled by those who are prepared to play with fake money and ferry people through Black Market unregulated Casinos. I have no wish for my content to be presented to an immature audience, and it is an unfortunate consequence of the Youtube algorithm that age-gating the content effectively removes it from the platform. I'm sure @dunover will attest to this. I'm sure your intentions are very honourable, but I'm actually working at the sharp end of it all and I see the real world alternatives and consequences. If you have actively consumed my content and believe it to be targeting children in any way, then please contact me privately and I'll endeavour to make changes to counter this.
Assuming you are he of the Hideous channel, then a couple of small points:

Firstly, glad you have joined here and are contributing to the subject which raises so much controversy, some warranted, some not.

You can freely have a link to your affiliate homepage on YT, I do it and so does everybody else, it's your right as a creator for providing YT's content (as long as it's not prohibited matter). It's obviously got to be compliant, I cannot see too much wrong aside from the fact I can't see #ad on or under the casino logo-links which is now a LCCP requirement - I know to most it seems obvious you are advertising the casinos, but it must be stated it is an ad.

As I understand it from more than one conversation with our own Mr. Sims of Rightlander, (the industry compliance experts) there is more than a little misunderstanding and confusion among the operators still about the various rules and deciding what the UKGC et al actually wants. The end result is many operators and thereby their affiliate programmes will err, unsurprisingly, on the side of caution. I had a case of this myself where despite never displaying any casino logos in my real-play videos on YT and simply the game screen only, I was told my accounts would be closed unless I age-gated the content. This was quite over-zealous as I wasn't even showing or promoting any brand but just the fact they knew I was an affiliate justified this action in their eyes, although no marketing was being done in the videos and I confirmed later it wasn't necessary at all, but I still went along with it. And that brings us nicely to your point about the YT algorithm.

In order to be UK-compliant and by age-gating your real gambling content, you are correct in that you will wave goodbye to 90-95% of your YT ad partner revenue. I am not a big YT'er but even I used to get enough money each month for one fortnightly food shop just from the partner programme. If I extrapolate that revenue to someone such as yourself and count your views per month you would be losing hundreds each period by age-gating. That's the price of advertising to the UK market.

That in turn leads to another quandary YT affiliates find themselves in. If, as they all do it seems, you take players from various jurisdictions then it's impossible under the present system to separate the UK from elsewhere. CasinoGrounds for example take UK players indirectly from YT marketing but in breach of the UK LCCP by not age-gating their streaming or real gambling content visible to the UK. But why would they? They get substantial YT ad revenue in the thousands each month and it's obvious they wouldn't make a business decision to dump that just to satisfy what to them is a foreign jurisdiction which provides a minority of their NDP's. The operators can't even reject UK sign-ups as these come directly from the ad campaigns on the YT'ers websites so there's no way of knowing if the UK player has arrived there via YT or Google.

Remember, you cannot or should not be having direct casino affiliate links on your YT channel or pasted underneath video content as that's a big breach of YT's own rules and will get you strikes and channel closure. This is why I urge strongly any person reading this to report to YT any DIRECT affiliate casino links if they spot them on any gambling streamer or content channels. That's because it's how the scammers and rogue casino promoters work, ignoring YT rules and sending viewers directly to bad casino sites.

Respectfully I dispute your point that you acknowledge one or two possible non-compliances with the justification that underneath you are an inherently honest and straight guy ( I don't disagree!) and that if you don't occupy your part of the audience, scammers/fakes will happily do so instead. They will anyway, regardless of your presence. My reasoning is that it's therefore very important the honest streamers set an example - if they don't, when the axe falls (which it will in the not too distant future) they will also be thrown out with the trash. It's also worth pointing out to developers and operators with UKGC licenses that just because all is quiet on the western front so-to-speak, it doesn't mean things aren't under a high degree of scrutiny at the moment. As we know with the regulators there is a long 2-3 year time lapse before out of the blue a license holder is suddenly publicised as having been hit with a huge fine for what they now consider to be historical misdemeanours.

My last point is that it's seeming more and more likely that affiliates advertising to the UK market will require marketing licenses in future, though how quickly this is implemented I cannot say. For that reason alone I would not jeopardise my business by knowingly breaching codes right now.

Cheers for reading.
 

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You should all be age gating. Hideous should be age gating. Casinogrounds should be age gating. Daskelelele have uk offers so they should be age gating. everyone should be. But that includes @dunover too.

"For that reason alone I would not jeopardise my business by knowingly breaching codes right now."

You've got 4 videos on your YouTube channel in the past 2 weeks that aren't age gated. You did have 5, because i checked last night. but now this morning it is age gated. Probably so you could belittle other people out for not doing what you do.

One of your videos that isn't age gated states in the description "For UK/Can/NZ/Euro Casino bonuses" with a link to your site. You mentioned UK because you're targeting them. You play in pounds. You make a lot of emphasis on "real money content" above, but as far as I'm aware there is no distinction for advertising standards, because viewers cannot make a distinction, and as far as I can tell your content is real money content.

"The gambling rules apply to marketing communications for “play for money” gambling products and marketing communications for “play for free” gambling products that offer the chance to win a prize or explicitly or implicitly direct the Advertising Guidance 5 consumer to a “play for money” gambling product, whether on-shore or offshore."

Editing this in, doesn't seem the ASA make a difference between real money or demo play if your still advertising or promoting a game.
 
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You can see videos that are age-gated, because it tells you in the description. And you can see which ones aren't.
 

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You should all be age gating. Hideous should be age gating. Casinogrounds should be age gating. Daskelelele have uk offers so they should be age gating. everyone should be. But that includes @dunover too.

"For that reason alone I would not jeopardise my business by knowingly breaching codes right now."

You've got 4 videos on your YouTube channel in the past 2 weeks that aren't age gated. You did have 5, because i checked last night. but now this morning it is age gated. Probably so you could belittle other people out for not doing what you do.

One of your videos that isn't age gated states in the description "For UK/Can/NZ/Euro Casino bonuses" with a link to your site. You mentioned UK because you're targeting them. You play in pounds. You make a lot of emphasis on "real money content" above, but as far as I'm aware there is no distinction for advertising standards, because viewers cannot make a distinction, and as far as I can tell your content is real money content.

"The gambling rules apply to marketing communications for “play for money” gambling products and marketing communications for “play for free” gambling products that offer the chance to win a prize or explicitly or implicitly direct the Advertising Guidance 5 consumer to a “play for money” gambling product, whether on-shore or offshore."

Editing this in, doesn't seem the ASA make a difference between real money or demo play if your still advertising or promoting a game.
Yes, I state in the description 'preview' or 'demo preview' and make it clear to viewers (so they are sure I am not claiming to be playing real when it's demo) that the video is informational and doesn't include gambling, I do the same for news videos too. I play real in Pounds of course, but the demos are usually in Euro or Dollar denoms.
I don't 'promote' any specific games either, I choose to review notable ones for informational purposes but as these aren't even available most of the time or at the time of posting for the general public to play in demo or for real, it's moot. You are also aware that for UK IP's, demo games have to be age-gated by the casino or developer's page and I can tell you now there are developer pages that allow anyone to play simply by putting bogus DoB details in the drop-down. Then you used to have until last month, the anomaly of 16-year olds making videos of lottery scratchcards.

It's all mess but I have endeavoured to do what has so far been asked of me often in the face of conflicting information.
 

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Infectious 5 ways isn't out yet. Theres nothing in the description of that screenshot saying preview or demo. I stopped watching streamers long ago. Even the relatable ones sell out eventually.

If you cared about exposing children to gambling content enough to call other people out, you'd not expose them to any wether its demo or real. At least most of the scumbags doing fake money €100 spins keep their mouths shut about other people.
 

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Imo it doesnt really matter what the rules say.
Gambling content should be age gated, why would you want people not being able to gamble to watch it in the first place.

Even if you are technically allowed to not age gate, it would be such a bottomfeeder move to not do it imo.
I mean wtf, 'technically im allowed to show this content to kids, so i will' what the hell kind of thinking is that.
Or ' i would lose money if i restricted this content so kids cant watch it'
Boo-freaking-hoo, sometimes not being scum will make you less money, learn to live with it, or accept that people will call you out for being scum.

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Imo it doesnt really matter what the rules say.
Gambling content should be age gated, why would you want people not being able to gamble to watch it in the first place.

Even if you are technically allowed to not age gate, it would be such a bottomfeeder move to not do it imo.
I mean wtf, 'technically im allowed to show this content to kids, so i will' what the hell kind of thinking is that.
Or ' i would lose money if i restricted this content so kids cant watch it'
Boo-freaking-hoo, sometimes not being scum will make you less money, learn to live with it, or accept that people will call you out for being scum.

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That would be the easiest way I agree. Any video content regarding gambling should be automatically age-gated. Then again, in some jurisdictions the age is 18, some 21, so it would be hard to keep all markets happy. Technically, according to regional or local regs, reviewing 18+ films would have to be age-gated, same with any videos showing drinking or alcohol-related. It would be impossible for YT which has no borders as such to adhere to every market's rules regarding many subjects.
Remember, the LCCP rules were originally aimed at STREAMING content which Twitch could not regulate with age-gating, whereas streaming on YT could be. I also make sure not to promote, link or show imagery from any casino branding on my channel so aside from my own sites, I am not even advertising a specific gambling product.
 

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Infectious 5 ways isn't out yet. Theres nothing in the description of that screenshot saying preview or demo. I stopped watching streamers long ago. Even the relatable ones sell out eventually.

If you cared about exposing children to gambling content enough to call other people out, you'd not expose them to any wether its demo or real. At least most of the scumbags doing fake money €100 spins keep their mouths shut about other people.
No, you're right so just to make it clear to the uninitiated I have added 'Preview' to the title, in case people think I was playing the game for real before it was released.

I checked out the Bonanza video too, there's a 'more' menu on the first page of YT's interface which you need to expand to age-gate. I use it for 50% of the videos and not previews, and forgot to open it and check it when I was uploading it. I noticed quite quickly that it had more views than normal so suspected that's what I had done, so logged-in and I was right, so amended it. This was all done way before I was invited to respond to this thread this morning, just to allay your accusation earlier.

As for the last point, check out recent exchanges between certain streamers, mid-stream if you believe they 'keep their moths shut'.....:laugh:
 
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