KAHNAWAKE gets thumbs down.

Rusty

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The UK Goverment has given the Kahnawake reservation application to be whitelisted a thumbs down.

(Whitelist is an informal term used to describe those jurisdictions that have succeeded in their application to advertise their online casinos in the UK)

From the Gambling commission;

4. Whitelisting announcement



The Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport has now confirmed that Tasmania will be added to the ‘Whitelist’ of countries or jurisdictions allowed to advertise remote gambling in the UK as if it were an EEA state. This decision follows a reconsideration of Tasmania’s application after the introduction of amending legislation to their tax regime. A full assessment of their application was made to ensure it met the Government’s ‘Whitelisting’ criteria published in January 2007.



Regulations have been laid in Parliament and will come into effect in 21 days time on 31 January 2008. After this date, gambling operators licensed in Tasmania will be able to advertise their remote gambling services in the United Kingdom.



After careful assessment of their representations against the published criteria, the Secretary of State has also decided not to whitelist Kahnawke (Canadian reservation) or Antigua


I wonder what that assessment was?

Here is a possible clue;
Part of the criteria for a successful application is that
"Any jurisdiction outside of the EEA and Gibraltar must demonstrate that they have a satisfactory regulatory regime in place."

Perhaps a little mischievous as there other possible reasons but what reason would be good one?
 
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Thanks Rusty for this.

I'd like to know if there were specific reasons behind this (the Kahnawake thing) :rolleyes:

I'm definitely not surprised, Kahnawake...no matter their good intentions or server capabilities, they are not very useful when it comes to player grievances. I would expect this with some newbie jurisdiction, but these guys have been around since day one.
 

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This story is just out in the Gambling Commission's newsletter, and will undoubtedly evoke much industry comment and perhaps not a little player satisfaction, given the lack of player sensitivity and some of the decisions the Kahnawake and Antigua jurisdictions have made over the years.

Antigua was pretty confident about their chances of getting a whitelisting in their national publicity attempts last year, and this will probably be an unexpected blow for them. The Kahnawakes probably don't give a stuff, unless it impacts on their licencing revenues.

I'm not sure how many more changes of licencing jurisdiction this announcement will trigger ....I think a lot of companies have already switched to the EEA and other whitelisted authorities.
 

Rusty

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Brian could you correct my spelling in the headline please.
Thanks

I have written to the gambling commisison asking if it is possible to get some more specific information regarding this as there are many Casinos under the Kahnawake umbrella.
I know many people already know of their bad reputation but when the UK Government is turning them down then it is time to take notice.
 

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I wonder how much the Absolute Poker cheating scandal had to do with this decision?
I would guess not too much since the UK Gaming Commission began their review some time ago. But it may be a factor.

My guess it's politics. Even though the Queen is on their (the Mohawks) money, they don't get in. Boo hoo. :(
 

Rusty

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I wonder how much the Absolute Poker cheating scandal had to do with this decision?

Hard to say but I think everybody should know that by playing at a Casino licensed by Kahnawake the games may or may not be fair but either way the Kahnawake gaming commission couldn't care less.

The fight continues...
 

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ONLINE POKER SCANDAL FINALISED?

KGC imposes half million dollar fine on Absolute Poker

With little fanfare, and buried three clicks deep on an uncopyable .pdf file, the Kahnawake Gaming Commission announced its findings on the Absolute Poker cheating scandal on January 11, effectively bringing to a close one of the worst cheating incidents yet in Internet poker (see previous InfoPowa reports)

The statement starts with a brief overview of the history of the incident, referring to cheating play as "impugned activities." It goes on to advise that the KGC commissioned its "approved agent" Gaming Associates to investigate the issue in a 10 week project that included enquiries at AP's diverse locations, with the objective of ensuring any prejudiced players were reimbursed, measures were taken to prevent a recurrence and to ascertain whether AP had contravened any Kahnawake regulations.

Following a more than 2 week study of the Gaming Associates report, the KGC's findings are included in the statement. The document is remarkable in that it does not detail those responsible, who clearly were closely involved in AP's affairs. Nor does it provide details of total compensation or whether criminal charges were placed, and there is no technical detail on how the cheating was accomplished.

The findings of the KGC are listed as:

* From August 14 2007 over a period of 6 weeks certain player accounts were used to cheat other players in live games at Absolute Poker using software that enabled the cheaters to view the hole cards of their opponents, resulting in unfair play.

* The accounts responsible for the cheating are named as Graycat, Payup, Steamroller, Potripper, XXCashmoneyXX aka SupercardM55, Doubledrag and RonfalcoXXB aka Romnaldo. AP has been directed to remove the individuals behind these account names from playing any role in future AP affairs, suggesting that those involved were insiders or closely associated with the poker room.

* Persons "associated with Absolute Poker's operations" deleted certain key gaming logs after the cheating, a move which hampered but did not preclude a finding being reached. Other than this, AP cooperated during the investigation.

* Gaming Associates found no evidence that AP as a corporate entity was involved in the cheating either at director or "principal ownership" level.

* However, the unidentified principals behind Absolute Poker failed to contact the KGC within 24 hours of discovering the incident as required by licensing regulations.

* Gaming Associates found that AP made "expeditious efforts" to appropriately reimburse those players prejudiced, with interest. KGC urges any aggrieved player not yet paid to contact the Commission, which will ensure the complaint is addressed by AP. There is a 60 day window for this, commencing 11 January 2008.

* The finding certifies that Absolute Poker has taken appropriate but unspecified action to address the vulnerability in its systems.

Accordingly the KGC finds that Absolute Poker breached certain Kahnawake regulations regarding dishonest play, failure to report within 24 hours and not keeping game logs for 5 years after an incident.

The consequences for Absolute Poker are both pecuniary and compliance related.

* AP is to be randomly audited by KGC over the next two years at AP's cost. The company is enjoined to immediately implement a "continuous compliance program" and remedial measures as directed by KGC.

* Those (presumably in-house) persons responsible for the "impugned activities" are to be permanently removed from office.

* Absolute Poker is to post an unspecified "security deposit" with the KGC valid for two years to offset the cost of any further breaches of Kahnawake law, and the company is to pay all costs associated with the Gaming Associates investigation.

* Finally, a fine of US$ 500 000 is imposed on AP, to be paid within the next 60 days.

The statement is signed by the chairman of the KGC, David Montour and two Commissioners, Melanie Mayo and Kevin Kennedy.

The online poker player community will be less than happy at the lack of detail in the KGC statement, especially regarding confirmation of how the cheating was accomplished, who was involved and what criminal charges have been attempted.

Only time will tell if Absolute Poker will regain the trust and acceptance of the market.
 

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Wow! What a bunch of crap.

Sweep it under the carpet, sooner forgotten the better... BULLSHIT!

They cheated players and now they are trying to make it go away.

This whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I wish I was never associated with Absolute Poker in the first place... Bunch of damn thieves.
 

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Wow! What a bunch of crap.

Sweep it under the carpet, sooner forgotten the better... BULLSHIT!

They cheated players and now they are trying to make it go away.
I know you say "WOW" but prolly just for emphasis. You had to know with the accountabilty and transparency (not to to say most of the characters) in the online industry that this report and the courses of action taken to date in this situation or any other related for that matter was highly predictable.
 

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I know you say "WOW" but prolly just for emphasis.
Actually I was amazed that KGC and AP are so blatant in their attempted "White Washing" of the cheating scandal.

I can't believe these guys really think that this non-report will satisfy anyone, (anyone that is, that does not have their hands in AP's pockets).
 

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Actually I was amazed that KGC and AP are so blatant in their attempted "White Washing" of the cheating scandal.

I can't believe these guys really think that this non-report will satisfy anyone, (anyone that is, that does not have their hands in AP's pockets).
Now I am amazed that you are amazed!:D
 

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:sniper:This pisses me off no end... And what about criminal charges against the individuals (Graycat, etc.) that did this??? So, AP tells them, "Booo.... shame on you, you weren't sly enough and the players caught on. You're fired. Bye." and all is well?

Bullhockey!!

P.S. .... Mussy posted a link to the actual PDF file of the report in the Poker Room AP thread. LINKY But Jetset has it down pat. I was hoping for more -- ok so I'm sometimes delusional. :rolleyes:
 
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Rusty

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Too much to say about AP and Kahnawakes handling so I will let others do that.

That is a very interesting link Jetset and the following information ties in rather nicely with my Bodog lower payouts thread too.;

If all goes according to plan, Morris will soon run the North American operations of Bodog, one of the largest and most notorious gambling sites on the Internet. Started by Calvin Ayre, the brash Saskatchewan-born self-proclaimed billionaire, Bodog is an online "lifestyle brand" whose gaming sites processed about US$7 billion in wagers last year alone. Through his company, Morris will pay Bodog an undisclosed sum for the right to handle customer service, media relations, and Internet traffic, along with millions of dollars in bets, for Bodog's North American operations.

Article end of November and come December Bodog payouts drop dramatically, a weird coincidence that.
 

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And what about criminal charges against the individuals (Graycat, etc.)
You mean what happened to charges against Tom Scott, the co founder of Absolute Poker and the person that perpetrated the theft..

Well... I'll bet the criminal charges against Tom Scott and the others that were involved in the thefts are in the same place as Kahnawake Gaming Commission ethics are... The toilet.
 

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Hhm, is hart to whitelist a toilet for the UK Government. Perhaps this is the required pressure to rebuild "the toilet" in order to become whitelisted.
 
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