Uk Slotting Cap from September 2024

[jasonuk]

At least they've clarified this applies to slots - there was rumours at one point the limit would apply to all bets (roulette etc) which would have caused a lot of headaches.

I doubt this one will achieve much - it's a fairly small percentage of the player pool in the first place, and those that have the funds to sustain regular play at £5+ stakes have probably already set sail for Curacao.

The one that is going to cause significantly more impact, is mentioned in a second article -

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the Commission proposed that ‘light checks’ be applied on customer net losses of £125 (without bonus funds) within a rolling 30-day period or £500 within a rolling 365-day period.

A higher level of inspection will be carried out on gambling accounts with losses greater than £1,000 within a rolling 24 hours or £2,000 within 90 days. The Commission endorsed evaluating whether “triggers for enhanced assessments should be lower for those aged 18 to 24”.

The implementation will begin at the higher £1,000/£2,000 threshold and then move to the lower threshold to ease the process of the Commission’s two-stage approach to testing customer affordability.

So Betty spending her tenner a week on the bingo may now be subject to an affordability check... this is going to get messy very quickly.

 

[bamberfishcake]

At least they've clarified this applies to slots - there was rumours at one point the limit would apply to all bets (roulette etc) which would have caused a lot of headaches.

I doubt this one will achieve much - it's a fairly small percentage of the player pool in the first place, and those that have the funds to sustain regular play at £5+ stakes have probably already set sail for Curacao.

The one that is going to cause significantly more impact, is mentioned in a second article -

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So Betty spending her tenner a week on the bingo may now be subject to an affordability check... this is going to get messy very quickly.

Sure is. You don't f"*k with Betty.

I must say that it is rather short-sighted of the UKGC to advertise this. Quite irresponsible to tell a gambling community your bets are about to be capped.

I have always dreamed of betting £20 spins. Now my dream has a deadline. They should have waited to announce a change the day before.

£20 bets here I come! CHAARRGEEEEE!!!!!!

 

[Reelsoffun]

The one that is going to cause significantly more impact, is mentioned in a second article -

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So Betty spending her tenner a week on the bingo may now be subject to an affordability check... this is going to get messy very quickly.

Well I had another affordability check on my credit file early this month, not surprised has been quite a few now over the last couple of years, but this last one I never saw coming...... Power Leisure Ltd, eg Bonne Terre Ltd, which seems to be connected to Sky Vegas so seems even the bigger UK bookmakers are starting to do more checks, not that it bothers me I spend within my means but does seem to show a new shift in checks happening behind the scenes.....

 

[slot_zombie]

At least they've clarified this applies to slots - there was rumours at one point the limit would apply to all bets (roulette etc) which would have caused a lot of headaches.

I doubt this one will achieve much - it's a fairly small percentage of the player pool in the first place, and those that have the funds to sustain regular play at £5+ stakes have probably already set sail for Curacao.

The one that is going to cause significantly more impact, is mentioned in a second article -

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So Betty spending her tenner a week on the bingo may now be subject to an affordability check... this is going to get messy very quickly.

Let.me.get this straight. Having been limited to low stakes and gone through the financial equivalent of a mortgage interrogation just to get the reels spinning, they are now proposing to run additional "light" credit checks at the point of losses above £125 a month. Did I get this right?

All beyond parody at this point. Shake your maracas in Curacao!

 

[justdoit]

Long gone are the days when the UKGC was respected and set the benchmarks for dealing with iGaming regulation.

I understand the premise behind the new rules, but unless they are going to go after all the Curacao sites readily accepting UK players (I'm looking at you BCGAME, who, as a test, VERIFIED my account with my UK Driving License) - this is going to cause long-term mayhem IMO.

We've already seen tons and tons of players moving away from regulated casinos to play at crypto sites in Curacao (myself included, admitadley), but as popular streamers (Bandit, RockRollla) Craig Slots, and so on) are bringing crypto to a wider audience - I fear this is going to further push players into the abysss.

And, personally - I don't BLAME these players. IT's the exact reason I started playing at Crypto sites in Curacao. For five years, not once have I been denied a withdrawal. Some, even after finding out I used to play from the UK, even paid out my winnings but closed my account. So, the service they offer is, a lot of the time, solid.

But, the responsible gambling issues - the lack of accountability - and the lack of a solid ADR for players to turn to when things DO go wrong is, I fear, going to spell misery for UK players.

I will be getting a pretty long blog about this up in the coming week. Would anyone like to provide comment that I can use on the blog? Please reply to this message or DM me directly, and I can include quotes. Thanks

UKGC will do everything to block Curacao casinos, now new rules UK EU with Crypto Wallet over £10k they can ask you for SOW, and if you open new wallet money will get block to transfer for 72hrs, you can trade but no transfer or withdraw to bank, UKGC is just started soon or later they will block all Curacao casinos
my last SOW on wallet Crypto, some wallet they do accept like gambling win, or property you own, but some wallet like Coinbase they hate gambling transfer

P.s. also some forum owners they getting contact by UKGC to remove all Crypto casinos, not long ago Bigwinboard got massage from UKGC to remove all crypto casinos, his not even based on UK, they still ask him to remove

 

[Smithyy]

UKGC will do everything to block Curacao casinos, now new rules UK EU with Crypto Wallet over £10k they can ask you for SOW, and if you open new wallet money will get block to transfer for 72hrs, you can trade but no transfer or withdraw to bank, UKGC is just started soon or later they will block all Curacao casinos
my last SOW on wallet Crypto, some wallet they do accept like gambling win, or property you own, but some wallet like Coinbase they hate gambling transfer
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P.s. also some forum owners they getting contact by UKGC to remove all Crypto casinos, not long ago Bigwinboard got massage from UKGC to remove all crypto casinos, his not even based on UK, they still ask him to remove

Interesting about UKGC asking sites to remove ALL crypto casinos.

In response to your other point though - this is just the major exchanges. Don't see how they can do much against decentralized P2P marketplaces like Agoradesk.

 

[slot_zombie]

Just use a decentralised wallet...

 

[Valhalla]

Just use a decentralised wallet...

For a crypto layman like myself, what does that mean?

 

[Smithyy]

For a crypto layman like myself, what does that mean?

Basically, the exchange or marketplace has no access to your funds. You have control over your private keys (usually), and just deal directly with the buyer/seller.

For example, on Agoradesk, (let's assume you want to buy Bitcoin) you create an account, find a seller - select currency and payment method (Bank Transfer, PayPal, Skrill, etc) and you message with the seller directly. The crypto goes into escrow while you pay them, and once you mark it complete, the seller confirms, and the funds are automatically released to the wallet address you entered when opening the sale.

 

[satchnz]

You can be sure these newly imposed £2 and £5 limits will take years to reverse, if ever. Woe betide the person that attempts to one day have them raised, as in reality, they're only going to get lower.

Inflation over the coming years will probably take care of that without the need to reduce the limits further.

 

[jasonuk]

Well I had another affordability check on my credit file early this month, not surprised has been quite a few now over the last couple of years, but this last one I never saw coming...... Power Leisure Ltd, eg Bonne Terre Ltd, which seems to be connected to Sky Vegas so seems even the bigger UK bookmakers are starting to do more checks, not that it bothers me I spend within my means but does seem to show a new shift in checks happening behind the scenes.....

Yes, Bonne Terre is SkyBet (SkyVegas, SkyBingo etc) before all the Flutter amalgamations, Power Leisure Ltd is Paddy Power.

Let.me.get this straight. Having been limited to low stakes and gone through the financial equivalent of a mortgage interrogation just to get the reels spinning, they are now proposing to run additional "light" credit checks at the point of losses above £125 a month. Did I get this right?

All beyond parody at this point. Shake your maracas in Curacao!

I don't believe these are additional, but codifying the existing situation with lower limits. Operators have been doing these credit checks for a while now, and many have been imposing operator-defined limits based on that information (e.g. getting random notifications that your account has been limited to £500 or £1000 net loss per month, even if your own limits are lower).

It probably marks the beginning of the end for high rollers on UK sites though - because even if you pass the enhanced affordability check at £2000 per 90 days, your slots will be hard-capped at £5 per spin anyway.

 

[thebeast777]

Does anyone have any suggestions/experience of which offshore/unregulated casinos are the safest to play , the ones which will actually pay you if you win ?

 

[slot_zombie]

Does anyone have any suggestions/experience of which offshore/unregulated casinos are the safest to play , the ones which will actually pay you if you win ?

Vave, Betfury, BC Game, 500 Casino to name but 4.

 

[coolrunnings19]

At least they've clarified this applies to slots - there was rumours at one point the limit would apply to all bets (roulette etc) which would have caused a lot of headaches.

I doubt this one will achieve much - it's a fairly small percentage of the player pool in the first place, and those that have the funds to sustain regular play at £5+ stakes have probably already set sail for Curacao.

The one that is going to cause significantly more impact, is mentioned in a second article -

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So Betty spending her tenner a week on the bingo may now be subject to an affordability check... this is going to get messy very quickly.

I think that in the end there will only be a handful of betting websites left. Max stake is now going to be 2/5 pounds and this will never get reversed. It could go down but still won't happen. As soon as someone hits 2000 loss then they will ask for wage slips, bank statements etc. People won't share this. So they will have their account closed. In the end the casinos will hardly have any customers. Technically they can only make 2000 pounds out of each player. So the lower stakes still don't make much of a difference. Players will be restricted from playing anyway at some point. The only ones that won't are the ones doing 20p spins ans who lose about 10 or 20 pounds a week!

 

[coolrunnings19]

Inflation over the coming years will probably take care of that without the need to reduce the limits further.

These limits will never be reversed or raised. We can see the direction that the industry is going...eventually it will just disappear. The only reason online max stake to be reduced was delayed was due to covid. This has been on the cards for a while now. They started in 2019 with land based, now it has hit online. The affordability checks have already kicked in before it becomes law. Now it will become law there isn't any chance this will be reversed, like I said I think eventually it will just disappear (if the casinos don't jump ship before!)

 

[Deeplay]

The usual sound bites are always trotted out, whether that be for 'consumer' or 'player' protection when changes are afoot, or 'protecting' something for the greater good. And who wants to be labelled selfish, after all?

Adult pastimes like vaping are soon to be neutered too, so this isn't beholden to one sector, with all flavourings bar tobacco and menthol to be outlawed, based on flimsy reasoning and obvious agendas spearheaded by tobacco lobbyists....

When drastic changes are made like this without rhyme or reason, you can be sure nine times out of ten it's for reasons other than disclosed to the masses, and usually self-serving

yeah the vapin laws coming in are truly anal! Make no sense. Although the kill switch on flavours is yet to be really discussed - but all it will do if they go that route is push people to buy offshore. None regulated. Like I used to do with Fast-tech before China pulled them was great for vape tanks bigger than the 2.5ml max limit that they allow now here and all other kit vape wise. They are other outlets coming online - so it wont stop it - just push it underground / offshore - shades of Curaco ;-)

 

[jasonuk]

Technically they can only make 2000 pounds out of each player. So the lower stakes still don't make much of a difference. Players will be restricted from playing anyway at some point. The only ones that won't are the ones doing 20p spins ans who lose about 10 or 20 pounds a week!

Remember it's a rolling period - so £2000 per 90 days (or £1000 in 24 hours) and they'll be asking for financial paperwork and your life story. Even low rollers will get credit checked because of the £500 per 365 days.

For low rollers, you're much more likely to be credit checked.
For high rollers, even if you complete the paperwork, you won't be able to play how you want - because of the reduced limits on slots.

The affordability checks have already kicked in before it becomes law. Now it will become law there isn't any chance this will be reversed, like I said I think eventually it will just disappear (if the casinos don't jump ship before!)

The increased burden on operators in the past 3-5 years has already caused a chunk of them to jump ship and stop accepting UK players. The only way it'll be reversed is if it completely slaughters the golden goose - and I don't think it'll do that although it will likely cause another marked exodus by both operators and players alike.

It feels like the end game could be where the bookies are the only ones left - and that's a tough choice when you have WH already offering 88% slots, or Entain and their recurring license breaches and record-breaking fines...

 

[coolrunnings19]

Remember it's a rolling period - so £2000 per 90 days (or £1000 in 24 hours) and they'll be asking for financial paperwork and your life story. Even low rollers will get credit checked because of the £500 per 365 days.

For low rollers, you're much more likely to be credit checked.
For high rollers, even if you complete the paperwork, you won't be able to play how you want - because of the reduced limits on slots.


The increased burden on operators in the past 3-5 years has already caused a chunk of them to jump ship and stop accepting UK players. The only way it'll be reversed is if it completely slaughters the golden goose - and I don't think it'll do that although it will likely cause another marked exodus by both operators and players alike.

It feels like the end game could be where the bookies are the only ones left - and that's a tough choice when you have WH already offering 88% slots, or Entain and their recurring license breaches and record-breaking fines...

In other words online slots are pretty much finished. It's good for problem Gamblers as they can lose only 2000 per casino (so multiply 2000 by the number of casinos or casino groups). I don't know anyone who has or is willing to send confidential info across to these guys. And that will be pretty much it. I lost 600 in ladbrokes last week and they flagged me on their system asking me if I was in control of my gambling. They said the next check is at 3k, then at 9k they will ask for paperwork and if you cant supply it then you are banned. So eventually everything will go I feel. The industry has taken a battering and it will be worse still. Not sure there is really any way back for them. It will be the one pound bingo players and the 5 pound football accas each week. So soon the shops will start to disappear

 

[kennygamerboy]

Makes me laugh how they are doing all this yet every bleeding advert is a gambling advert all day every day even all the sports teams have gambling sites all over the kits! Make it make sense!

 

[dealer wins]

UKGC will do everything to block Curacao casinos, now new rules UK EU with Crypto Wallet over £10k they can ask you for SOW, and if you open new wallet money will get block to transfer for 72hrs, you can trade but no transfer or withdraw to bank, UKGC is just started soon or later they will block all Curacao casinos
my last SOW on wallet Crypto, some wallet they do accept like gambling win, or property you own, but some wallet like Coinbase they hate gambling transfer

If you use coinbase move your crypto to their self custody wallet. That stops them even seeing your transactions I believe.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Ladbrokes / Coral £100 a month.
Sky £100 a month.
365 £200 a month.
Hills £1,000 a month.
Paddy £5,000 a month.

All the above loss limits applied to my accounts over recent times and all want documents to get them changed. Which obv will they will NEVER get from me.

It’s funny how sky and paddy who are both owned by the same group see me so differently. Probably due to the absolute brains I do on paddy playing BTG on their site. They obv don’t want to lose me as a customer. Or maybe I got ‘missed’ from their RG credit checks. Either way I’ll be using it as ammo when it finally happens.

Hills despite allowing £1,000 a month losses from me have bonus banned me yet again because I actually had a crack on bonanza on their site the other night. I rarely play there and mainly just use them for betting (small). Anyway bonanza did its usual thing (nothing) and I lost a couple of hundred. The next day I get an email saying they’ve noticed a change in my play and in line with their responsible gambling are removing all promotions. This is annoying as they are doing £5 free bets each day for Cheltenham. However I can still continue to deposit another £700 odd if I want to of course. It’s fucking crazy. I will contact them about this as for me it’s essential to have as many accounts as possible for Cheltenham. But I suspect it will be in vain. This is the 3rd time this has happened btw.

The £100 a month on lads/corals is between ALL their groups. So a £50 loss on each site and I’m doomed for the month. February’s play was a stunning £100 loss on The Doghouse (yes it’s max RTP) for not a single feature on 20/40p so thanks for that.

Along with stake restrictions imposed for betting purposes on all these sites it’s becoming increasingly annoying. Annoying to the point where the outcome will be inevitable.

Myself and others will simply not bother. Neither will I risk not getting paid by some off shore crypto joint.

I also hope they pull the trigger on these wankers that push crypto sites on uk players who are not allowed to play there ffs.

 

[jasonuk]

I also hope they pull the trigger on these wankers that push crypto sites on uk players who are not allowed to play there ffs.

I've noticed Rolla is now publishing content that was "recorded in October" from his crypto adventures - the thing is if he's currently in the UK (as an individual and/or business entity) and uploading affiliated crypto content, that is a breach and the UKGC really should be acting on such an open goal.

If they're going to start a second mass exodus in the coming months, they really don't want to be shown to be giving an easy ride to UK-based affiliates potentially breaking the law.

 

[justdoit]

I've noticed Rolla is now publishing content that was "recorded in October" from his crypto adventures - the thing is if he's currently in the UK (as an individual and/or business entity) and uploading affiliated crypto content, that is a breach and the UKGC really should be acting on such an open goal.

If they're going to start a second mass exodus in the coming months, they really don't want to be shown to be giving an easy ride to UK-based affiliates potentially breaking the law.

Rolla his streaming from Guernsey and his not breach any UKGC law, and his old videos he played on Ireland not from UK, if you have proof you registered on Guernsey or Ireland UKGc cant do nothing about it. you have Bandit open admit his using VPN from UK and he don't real care what UKGC has to say

 

[justdoit]

Ladbrokes / Coral £100 a month.
Sky £100 a month.
365 £200 a month.
Hills £1,000 a month.
Paddy £5,000 a month.

All the above loss limits applied to my accounts over recent times and all want documents to get them changed. Which obv will they will NEVER get from me.

It’s funny how sky and paddy who are both owned by the same group see me so differently. Probably due to the absolute brains I do on paddy playing BTG on their site. They obv don’t want to lose me as a customer. Or maybe I got ‘missed’ from their RG credit checks. Either way I’ll be using it as ammo when it finally happens.

Hills despite allowing £1,000 a month losses from me have bonus banned me yet again because I actually had a crack on bonanza on their site the other night. I rarely play there and mainly just use them for betting (small). Anyway bonanza did its usual thing (nothing) and I lost a couple of hundred. The next day I get an email saying they’ve noticed a change in my play and in line with their responsible gambling are removing all promotions. This is annoying as they are doing £5 free bets each day for Cheltenham. However I can still continue to deposit another £700 odd if I want to of course. It’s fucking crazy. I will contact them about this as for me it’s essential to have as many accounts as possible for Cheltenham. But I suspect it will be in vain. This is the 3rd time this has happened btw.

The £100 a month on lads/corals is between ALL their groups. So a £50 loss on each site and I’m doomed for the month. February’s play was a stunning £100 loss on The Doghouse (yes it’s max RTP) for not a single feature on 20/40p so thanks for that.

Along with stake restrictions imposed for betting purposes on all these sites it’s becoming increasingly annoying. Annoying to the point where the outcome will be inevitable.

Myself and others will simply not bother. Neither will I risk not getting paid by some off shore crypto joint.

I also hope they pull the trigger on these wankers that push crypto sites on uk players who are not allowed to play there ffs.

Pokerstars they give £5k limits without any doc

 

[justdoit]

Parliament TV link for the affordability checks debate at 4.30 today

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