Uk Slotting Cap from September 2024

[jasonuk]

Rolla his streaming from Guernsey and his not breach any UKGC law, and his old videos he played on Ireland not from UK, if you have proof you registered on Guernsey or Ireland UKGc cant do nothing about it. you have Bandit open admit his using VPN from UK and he don't real care what UKGC has to say

Not quite true, for it to be outside of UKGC jurisdiction the whole chain has to be outside the UK - including any associated businesses. If he's streaming crypto sites from Guernsey but the business is still registered in the UK, then the UKGC can - and probably should - investigate.

One of the "tricks" the fake streamers have used to confuse the narrative is be conflating legal to play versus legal to promote - so he as a player may be outside UKGC jurisdiction, but he as an affiliate may not.

Particularly nasty when said streamers are promoting crypto casinos alongside UK-based responsible gambling tools - fully aware that the latter doesn't apply to the former.

 

[Guntis]

I would say that anyone advertising to UK players illegal gambling sites breaks the law, no matter where they're located. They can stream even from Nigeria or Somalia if they want, but if their content is illegal and tuned towards players in the UK, they break the law. When the UKGC writes on this topic, they usually refer to this page:

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Also, on the same basis the UKGC requests casino affiliate website takedowns from Google.

 

[justdoit]

Not quite true, for it to be outside of UKGC jurisdiction the whole chain has to be outside the UK - including any associated businesses. If he's streaming crypto sites from Guernsey but the business is still registered in the UK, then the UKGC can - and probably should - investigate.

One of the "tricks" the fake streamers have used to confuse the narrative is be conflating legal to play versus legal to promote - so he as a player may be outside UKGC jurisdiction, but he as an affiliate may not.

Particularly nasty when said streamers are promoting crypto casinos alongside UK-based responsible gambling tools - fully aware that the latter doesn't apply to the former.

he move to Ireland last year, I dont thing Rolla his fake streamer, do you real thing UKGC don't know about it? Advertising has nothing to do with UKGC, is ASA The Advertising Standards Authority job to deal with it

 

[justdoit]

I would say that anyone advertising to UK players illegal gambling sites breaks the law, no matter where they're located. They can stream even from Nigeria or Somalia if they want, but if their content is illegal and tuned towards players in the UK, they break the law. When the UKGC writes on this topic, they usually refer to this page:

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Also, on the same basis the UKGC requests casino affiliate website takedowns from Google.

that is up to ASA to block advertising links on Web, you cant tell someone in EU or USA from UK remove your link from Google

 

[Guntis]

that is up to ASA to block advertising links on Web, you cant tell someone in EU or USA from UK remove your link from Google

Advertising means promoting a product or products to consumers, in this case, a casino. So if it's gambling in the UK then it naturally falls under the UKGC regulation.

ASA doesn't send anything to Google; it's the UKGC. As an example, see this:



UKGC, regarding gambling, essentially can request anyone to remove anything they see isn't in line with its regulation. It's a governmental body.

 

[jasonuk]

he move to Ireland last year, I dont thing Rolla his fake streamer, do you real thing UKGC don't know about it? Advertising has nothing to do with UKGC, is ASA The Advertising Standards Authority job to deal with it

He said he was visiting Ireland to play - which is where the second part comes in. I'm not suggesting that he is playing with fake money, but I am highlighting that it overlaps a scenario where the fake streamers have previously muddied the waters to cover their dishonest / fraudulent behaviour. When this topic has come up elsewhere, many people have confidently - and wrongly - stated their streamer has done nothing wrong because they've accepted the falsehood as fact.

The UKGC have been a bit of a mess for a while, they've mentioned they need three years to get a handle on crypto gambling - so I agree it should be obvious, but given their lack of action in recent years on this topic I'd have to say it's not.

As for the ASA, that would apply to dishonest or deceptive advertising, for illegal advertising (restricted services like gambling, financial etc) that would revert to the regulator in question - in this case the UKGC.

The UKGC would be able to go after any UK-based entity directly or indirectly facilitating the illegal action - so if they can't go after the casino, and they can't go after the affiliate, they can still go after the web host, banks, search engines etc. Guntis has already clarified that part so I don't need to cover it further.

 

[justdoit]

Advertising means promoting a product or products to consumers, in this case, a casino. So if it's gambling in the UK then it naturally falls under the UKGC regulation.

ASA doesn't send anything to Google; it's the UKGC. As an example, see this:

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UKGC, regarding gambling, essentially can request anyone to remove anything they see isn't in line with its regulation. It's a governmental body.

But UKGC or UK has no power to say remove your link from google if they based outside UK, UKGC is only in UK , like Slovak streamer was streaming on twitch on crypto casino, Gov of Slovakia ban all twitch from Slovakia, that what UK can do ban web link to be see on UK, you have streamers they from UK but they live outside UK so UKGC or UK all they can do block his weblink or Forum

 

[Valhalla]

UKGC only have themselves to blame anyway.
They are being run by a bunch of people who clearly have no clue about online gaming, and making up rules and regulations willy nilly, endlessly making the experience worse for players. Then they are wondering why people are jumping ship en masse to unregulated crypto casinos.

 

[justdoit]

He said he was visiting Ireland to play - which is where the second part comes in. I'm not suggesting that he is playing with fake money, but I am highlighting that it overlaps a scenario where the fake streamers have previously muddied the waters to cover their dishonest / fraudulent behaviour. When this topic has come up elsewhere, many people have confidently - and wrongly - stated their streamer has done nothing wrong because they've accepted the falsehood as fact.

The UKGC have been a bit of a mess for a while, they've mentioned they need three years to get a handle on crypto gambling - so I agree it should be obvious, but given their lack of action in recent years on this topic I'd have to say it's not.

As for the ASA, that would apply to dishonest or deceptive advertising, for illegal advertising (restricted services like gambling, financial etc) that would revert to the regulator in question - in this case the UKGC.

The UKGC would be able to go after any UK-based entity directly or indirectly facilitating the illegal action - so if they can't go after the casino, and they can't go after the affiliate, they can still go after the web host, banks, search engines etc. Guntis has already clarified that part so I don't need to cover it further.

he did say his moving his company to Ireland so he can stream on crypto, end of the day I dont really care if his fake or not, UK or UKGC has no power to tell anyone dont advertise in google or in forum when they not in UK, all they can do block his link, if they have power they will block this forum 2, but the owner his based in USA all they can do block it for traffic in UK, but one click of VPN you get access agin

 

[jasonuk]

But UKGC or UK has no power to say remove your link from google if they based outside UK, UKGC is only in UK , like Slovak streamer was streaming on twitch on crypto casino, Gov of Slovakia ban all twitch from Slovakia, that what UK can do ban web link to be see on UK, you have streamers they from UK but they live outside UK so UKGC or UK all they can do block his weblink or Forum
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Google would block the results for UK-facing customers, which will do most of the damage (especially if that ban extends to YouTube). Similarly the UKGC can request a court order to block the domains in question - so while they will still work outside the UK (including through VPNs), UK-based ISPs will be obligated to block the site.

The UKGC has quite a few tools at their disposal, it's only in recent months they've started to use them...

<edit>As you've noted in our overlapping replies, it becomes a giant game of cat and mouse between the rogue affiliates and the regulator... unfortunately the end game is one where it gets pushed underground, which we've already seen in other scenarios. So less people see it, but those that do are at much higher risk.

Also, if he has completely left the UK, he should probably stop advertising gamstop etc - they don't do anything against crypto casinos, and he risks becoming one of those "not on gamstop" parasites.</edit>

 

[justdoit]

Google would block the results for UK-facing customers, which will do most of the damage (especially if that ban extends to YouTube). Similarly the UKGC can request a court order to block the domains in question - so while they will still work outside the UK (including through VPNs), UK-based ISPs will be obligated to block the site.

The UKGC has quite a few tools at their disposal, it's only in recent months they've started to use them...

<edit>As you've noted in our overlapping replies, it becomes a giant game of cat and mouse between the rogue affiliates and the regulator... unfortunately the end game is one where it gets pushed underground, which we've already seen in other scenarios. So less people see it, but those that do are at much higher risk.</edit>

if you go to Rolla forum from UK IP you don't see any Crypto casino, all you see UKGC casinos, only if you enter his forum from non UK IP you see crypto casinos, if you go to all other forums you see Crypto casino
also when he stream you never see any crypto casino link on chat, if you watch other streamer they spam their chat with links

 

[justdoit]

UKGC only have themselves to blame anyway.
They are being run by a bunch of people who clearly have no clue about online gaming, and making up rules and regulations willy nilly, endlessly making the experience worse for players. Then they are wondering why people are jumping ship en masse to unregulated crypto casinos.

 

[jasonuk]

That report was an absolute shocker - the other gentlemen mentions the gambling commission wouldn't align themselves with it, but naturally they do have a variation on that number (117-496) in a

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There was a decent analysis of this

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- who highlighted the calculation as:

Public Health England arrived at their estimate by working out how many problem gamblers were in England in 2019 (based on a prevalence rate of 0.4%). Adjusting for age and gender, they then extrapolated from the suicide data in the Swedish study and applied it to England’s problem gambling population...

As far as statistics go, you can't get much more discredited than that!

 

[Guntis]

But UKGC or UK has no power to say remove your link from google if they based outside UK, UKGC is only in UK , like Slovak streamer was streaming on twitch on crypto casino, Gov of Slovakia ban all twitch from Slovakia, that what UK can do ban web link to be see on UK, you have streamers they from UK but they live outside UK so UKGC or UK all they can do block his weblink or Forum
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If you mean a website - then yes they can request Google to remove the domain (a website address) or a single page. The example with those affiliate websites proves it:

- URLs 1 to 10 are affiliated websites advertising unlicensed gambling websites (illegal websites) to UK consumers, contrary to s330 of the Gambling Act 2005.

Where the website owner is located and in what country the website is hosted; doesn't matter. The main thing is that the illegal content is accessible to the country's citizens, and that's it.

 

[justdoit]

If you mean a website - then yes they can request Google to remove the domain (a website address) or a single page. The example with those affiliate websites proves it:

- URLs 1 to 10 are affiliated websites advertising unlicensed gambling websites (illegal websites) to UK consumers, contrary to s330 of the Gambling Act 2005.

Where the website owner is located and in what country the website is hosted; doesn't matter. The main thing is that the illegal content is accessible to the country's citizens, and that's it.

yes they can but only in Google UK not other places, UKGC needs to start with scam casinos like no gamstop links first, way more danger than any crypto casino
I am not big fan of any streamer, to me they all the same

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Please join my Casino links (so I can make money and gamble more with your money)

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Please land a bonus
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this is not gambling is more of stream begging

 

[DreddBeat]

Parliament TV link for the affordability checks debate at 4.30 today

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This was yesterday. I'm watching it now.

 

[slot_zombie]

Rolla has a giant banner for a crypto casino on some of his YouTube streams.

I don't believe any of these streamers left the UK just to play slots. They are just in a different room in their houses.

 

[justdoit]

? here we go another excuse to make more rules