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They are in a way, as pay tables need to specify bonus spins take place on a different set of reels 'alternative reels used'.
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They are in a way, as pay tables need to specify bonus spins take place on a different set of reels 'alternative reels used'.
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You'll never know either way on Bonanza - the win I cited as an example probably has a frequency of say 50m spins in the base game, then 12 spins from every 460 as free spins on average, of these free spins maybe one or two from several hundred will be played ultimately at a 20x + multiplier so you're looking at billions and billions to one against therefore not ever seeing it proves nothing either way.
Players aren't stupid and they know this too, therefore I doubt any player ever 'plays to hit that win' at all.
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If you're saying players don't play to hit the highest possible win I'll respectfully disagree. I'm OK with a 1:1,000,000,000 chance at winning 5000x, I'm not OK with 0:1,000,000,000.
Why else would mega moolah be so popular?
This stinks and it stinks for two reasons:
1. It allows artificial limits to be imposed on wins (cull out the big wins)
2. It misrepresents your chances of winning (from near impossible to absolutely impossible, which although it may not seem a large distinction is arguably the heart of why we gamble, to have that slim chance at a monster win, or perhaps I am just a Stupid Player).
Disappointed to see you apologising for developers potentially unethical behavior again dunover.
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Hi All,
First of all sorry, this is not a verified account. This has just been made today to reply to this thread and an admin or moderator has not seen my messages to verify yet. I would have replied sooner if it was possible.
To understand what has happened in the above video you will need to understand how the game is designed. So here's some background information on Jammin’ Jars.
The game does work by randomly picking a win/loss from an extensive pool of results, as picked up and explained by some of the members here. The wins are represented through cascading symbols, the random giant fruits feature and multiplying wilds, rather than traditional spinning reels. This makes the win sequences very long and therefore makes the game extremely complex mathematically.
The nature and complexity of creating a well-balanced model for this game, whilst making it enjoyable for players using a typical video slot method are extremely difficult (we would argue impossible). We do not use this method in our reel based video slots.
As the results are selected from a pool of results, what happened on the two streams was highly unlikely as there is a huge amount of possible results for each winning category across the base and bonus rounds, in this case, 1,600x in the base game. The game is certified by a third party (eCOGRA) and runs on a 96.83% RTP.
As the video shows two of exactly the same result, which is incredibly unlikely to happen (1 in over 1.3 million), we understand the suspicions, but as was suggested by some members in this thread we have not and cannot give anyone a result to play through.
First of all sorry, this is not a verified account. This has just been made today to reply to this thread and an admin or moderator has not seen my messages to verify yet. I would have replied sooner if it was possible.
To understand what has happened in the above video you will need to understand how the game is designed. So here's some background information on Jammin’ Jars.
The game does work by randomly picking a win/loss from an extensive pool of results, as picked up and explained by some of the members here. The wins are represented through cascading symbols, the random giant fruits feature and multiplying wilds, rather than traditional spinning reels. This makes the win sequences very long and therefore makes the game extremely complex mathematically.
The nature and complexity of creating a well-balanced model for this game, whilst making it enjoyable for players using a typical video slot method are extremely difficult (we would argue impossible). We do not use this method in our reel based video slots.
As the results are selected from a pool of results, what happened on the two streams was highly unlikely as there is a huge amount of possible results for each winning category across the base and bonus rounds, in this case, 1,600x in the base game. The game is certified by a third party (eCOGRA) and runs on a 96.83% RTP.
As the video shows two of exactly the same result, which is incredibly unlikely to happen (1 in over 1.3 million), we understand the suspicions, but as was suggested by some members in this thread we have not and cannot give anyone a result to play through.
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I knew there was something suss about the mechanics of this game, although phenomenally rare it's not difficult to envision a feature with enough jars to ensure an almost perpetual retrigger. Combine that with the increasing multiplier and the potential payout would be huge.
I figured they would artificially limit the number of potential jars to a certain amount to mitigate this, instead it seems they just ran a few thousand features, removed any of the ones with huge pays and called it a day.
I figured they would artificially limit the number of potential jars to a certain amount to mitigate this, instead it seems they just ran a few thousand features, removed any of the ones with huge pays and called it a day.
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TBH I don't agree with that. Part of the reason I fire up IR from time to time is that I know the five reel Wild Desire is on the paytable. I know my chances of actually hitting it are astronomically long, but the fact it's there is a draw, and every time I see and hear the Wild Desire animation and music start up, a little bit of me thinks - 'This could be the one, I know it almost certainly won't be, but it could be.'
Imagine if we found out that MG had never put a five reel Wild Desire in there, and it was an impossible hit to achieve?.....
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This is Push Gamings response:
To understand what has happened in the above video you will need to understand how the game is designed. So here's some background information on Jammin’ Jars.
The game does work by randomly picking a win/loss from an extensive pool of results, as picked up and explained by some of the members here. The wins are represented through cascading symbols, the random giant fruits feature and multiplying wilds, rather than traditional spinning reels. This makes the win sequences very long and therefore makes the game extremely complex mathematically.
The nature and complexity of creating a well-balanced model for this game, whilst making it enjoyable for players using a typical video slot method is extremely difficult (we would argue impossible). We do not use this method in our reel based video slots.
As the results are selected from a pool of results, what happened on the two streams was highly unlikely as there is a huge amount of possible results for each winning category across the base and bonus rounds, in this case, 1,600x in the base game. The game is certified by a third party (eCOGRA) and runs on a 96.83% RTP.
As the video shows two of exactly the same result, which is incredibly unlikely to happen (1 in circa 1.3 million), we understand the suspicions, but as was suggested by some members in this thread we have not and cannot give anyone a result to play through.
To understand what has happened in the above video you will need to understand how the game is designed. So here's some background information on Jammin’ Jars.
The game does work by randomly picking a win/loss from an extensive pool of results, as picked up and explained by some of the members here. The wins are represented through cascading symbols, the random giant fruits feature and multiplying wilds, rather than traditional spinning reels. This makes the win sequences very long and therefore makes the game extremely complex mathematically.
The nature and complexity of creating a well-balanced model for this game, whilst making it enjoyable for players using a typical video slot method is extremely difficult (we would argue impossible). We do not use this method in our reel based video slots.
As the results are selected from a pool of results, what happened on the two streams was highly unlikely as there is a huge amount of possible results for each winning category across the base and bonus rounds, in this case, 1,600x in the base game. The game is certified by a third party (eCOGRA) and runs on a 96.83% RTP.
As the video shows two of exactly the same result, which is incredibly unlikely to happen (1 in circa 1.3 million), we understand the suspicions, but as was suggested by some members in this thread we have not and cannot give anyone a result to play through.
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So they both hit something with a 1 in 1.3M probability of happening, let's say they did 1000 spins each, what are the chances of that?
Or in simpler terms, if something has a 1 in 1.3M chance of happening, what are the chances of it happening twice in 2000 samples?
EDIT - Is it 1 in 1.69M? I'm not so hot at calculating probability.
Or in simpler terms, if something has a 1 in 1.3M chance of happening, what are the chances of it happening twice in 2000 samples?
EDIT - Is it 1 in 1.69M? I'm not so hot at calculating probability.
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The combined (2 instances) result I make 1 in 1.69m.
So if they did 100,000 spins each it would still be a 1 in 16.9 chance. And coupled with the fact of the recent release date plus they were both streaming.
But wait - “Randomness is a funny thing”.
Case solved. Next.
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So even the giant fruit drops are pre-baked?
No wonder they never link up...
Also using the "oh it's just so complex we couldn't possibly have done it any other way" BS is laughable, it's not like you're sketching out every possibility in a notebook, you're loading a simulation onto a server and hitting autoplay.
Game's complex? Rent an AWS instance for a few hours.
The actual reason they've done it is to limit liability, they just got lazy and didn't create a large enough pool.
No wonder they never link up...
Also using the "oh it's just so complex we couldn't possibly have done it any other way" BS is laughable, it's not like you're sketching out every possibility in a notebook, you're loading a simulation onto a server and hitting autoplay.
Game's complex? Rent an AWS instance for a few hours.
The actual reason they've done it is to limit liability, they just got lazy and didn't create a large enough pool.
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Where are you getting that figure?
Also it's unclear whether they're saying the chance of the hit is 1:1.3m or if the chance of it occurring concurrently is 1:1.3m, very different things.
Also:
No it doesn't work that way. Otherwise tossing a coin twice would guarantee a certain result. (1:2 twice does not equal 1:1 but rather 3:4)
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Well there are people out there who have won the lottery more than once which I assume is a much less probability than hitting 1600x with the same pattern.
But their response confirmed what has been said previously in the thread, they've not done the traditional maths and just have done a lazy version and created a predetermined scratch card of mega size
But their response confirmed what has been said previously in the thread, they've not done the traditional maths and just have done a lazy version and created a predetermined scratch card of mega size
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So, if what they say about how the game works it true...
What is the maximum amount you could win???
It's not 'randomly unlimited'. It's in their 'pool of wins'. They know exactly what it is.
Maybe 1600x IS the maximum
What is the maximum amount you could win???
It's not 'randomly unlimited'. It's in their 'pool of wins'. They know exactly what it is.
Maybe 1600x IS the maximum
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winning the lottery twice is one thing .
winning the lottery twice getting the exact same lucky dip from the same shop and seeing the same numbers come out in the exact same order as the previous win ? what's the odds on that ?
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We need a new Jammin Jars thread. This has turned into another long-winded thread about streamers.
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@trancemonkey - is it legal to use this method of preset features and then simply remove any from the pool over a certain amount, eg; 2500x+. Despite the logical assumption being you could win far more?
I think I know the answer so I guess I'll change the question to whether you've seen it done?
I think I know the answer so I guess I'll change the question to whether you've seen it done?
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Yes it is legal. And i certainly imagine it's done... In some jurisdictions there are rules about paying the "highest advertised prize" and how often this must occur.
I won't get drawn in to the misrepresentation argument in this thread, as there are many different sides to that argument. Personally, i've never put stacks of wilds in a game unless it's possible to therefore get a full screen of them, because i like the players to know that what they see is possible. It might be unbelievably rare, but it's possible.
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Can someone seperate them?
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He is one of the biggest shitheads out there..Watched him once for 3 minutes and had seen it..
Why do people torture themselves watching this crap, a guy placing "bets" a normal person can never afford and then reward him for that by donating money to him..WTF.
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@maxd could or Bryan - it happens often enough - but with the overlay/crossover is there any point? I mean, we're all big boys and girls able to sift
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I've never gotten streamers as far as watching them....why not just play in free mode if not using your own funds
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The maximum win available on the game is 20,000X
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Hi All,
First of all sorry, sorry for not replying sooner, we had to get a new account verified to respond. This is the same reply posted above which we have used on other forums.
To understand what has happened in the above video you will need to understand how the game is designed. So here's some background information on Jammin’ Jars.
The game does work by randomly picking a win/loss from an extensive pool of results, as picked up and explained by some of the members here. The wins are represented through cascading symbols, the random giant fruits feature and multiplying wilds, rather than traditional spinning reels. This makes the win sequences very long and therefore makes the game extremely complex mathematically.
The nature and complexity of creating a well-balanced model for this game, whilst making it enjoyable for players using a typical video slot method are extremely difficult (we would argue impossible). We do not use this method in our reel based video slots.
As the results are selected from a pool of results, what happened on the two streams was highly unlikely as there is a huge amount of possible results for each winning category across the base and bonus rounds, in this case, 1,600x in the base game. The game is certified by a third party (eCOGRA) and runs on a 96.83% RTP.
As the video shows two of exactly the same result, which is incredibly unlikely to happen (1 in over 1.3 million), we understand the suspicions, but as was suggested by some members in this thread we have not and cannot give anyone a result to play through.
If you have some questions about this I will try to answer them.
First of all sorry, sorry for not replying sooner, we had to get a new account verified to respond. This is the same reply posted above which we have used on other forums.
To understand what has happened in the above video you will need to understand how the game is designed. So here's some background information on Jammin’ Jars.
The game does work by randomly picking a win/loss from an extensive pool of results, as picked up and explained by some of the members here. The wins are represented through cascading symbols, the random giant fruits feature and multiplying wilds, rather than traditional spinning reels. This makes the win sequences very long and therefore makes the game extremely complex mathematically.
The nature and complexity of creating a well-balanced model for this game, whilst making it enjoyable for players using a typical video slot method are extremely difficult (we would argue impossible). We do not use this method in our reel based video slots.
As the results are selected from a pool of results, what happened on the two streams was highly unlikely as there is a huge amount of possible results for each winning category across the base and bonus rounds, in this case, 1,600x in the base game. The game is certified by a third party (eCOGRA) and runs on a 96.83% RTP.
As the video shows two of exactly the same result, which is incredibly unlikely to happen (1 in over 1.3 million), we understand the suspicions, but as was suggested by some members in this thread we have not and cannot give anyone a result to play through.
If you have some questions about this I will try to answer them.
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I'll take a bow now then shall i
Seriously though, thanks for the confirmation - no prepare for many people to simply not believe you, and welcome to my world!
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Nice to have a Push Gaming rep around now, welcome! 
The thread ended up in a discussion about streamers on the end but your replies are much appreciated.
Good to see that our thoughts in regards to the 2 very same results with those streamers is deemed highly unlikely to happen.
On a side note, I am a big fan of your games and I love most of them.
Innovative, fun and original games. Keep that work up!!
Maybe you can have a look in the "wild swarm" thread. Loads of discussion going on about that game.
Would be interested in your point of view regarding that matter.
Anyway, awesome to find another rep from a reputable slot brand here!
The thread ended up in a discussion about streamers on the end but your replies are much appreciated.
Good to see that our thoughts in regards to the 2 very same results with those streamers is deemed highly unlikely to happen.
On a side note, I am a big fan of your games and I love most of them.
Innovative, fun and original games. Keep that work up!!
Maybe you can have a look in the "wild swarm" thread. Loads of discussion going on about that game.
Would be interested in your point of view regarding that matter.
Anyway, awesome to find another rep from a reputable slot brand here!
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Nice to have a Push Gaming rep around now, welcome!
The thread ended up in a discussion about streamers on the end but your replies are much appreciated.
On a side note, I am a big fan of your games and I love most of them.
Innovative, fun and original games. Keep that work up!!
Maybe you can have a look in the "wild swarm" thread. Loads of discussion going on about that game.
Would be interested in your point of view regarding that matter.
Anyway, awesome to find another rep from a reputable slot brand here!
I will be sure to check that out, I really should have got on here sooner. Give me a few days and i'll find some time to chime in on some places we were mentioned.
If you could tag me to anything in particular it might speed things up
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not going to lie, we were all very impressed
Maybe some of the tin-foilers will be more likely to believe me now... but i doubt it
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of course not silly - we know the cabal wrote a script for you to say at gunpoint to further their nefarious schemesMaybe some of the tin-foilers will be more likely to believe me now... but i doubt it
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Maybe some of the tin-foilers will be more likely to believe me now... but i doubt it
No tin foil thoughts about the slot, I love PUSH Gaming.
But for me it is great to see that it is confirmed now that what happened on them streams was most likely BS. Another nono for those fake streamers who poison the gambling industry to be honest.
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Im not quite following here... the streams were real. It was just a very very unlikely result.
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@Push Gaming Rep can you confirm how many potential features there are in the "pool" and if any were removed post-generation.
As I've stated up stream:
Additionally, 20,000x Max win seems like an oddly round number for this type of game.. Is that a single 20,000x pay for example a full screen of strawberries, or a pre recorded feature that results in exactly 20,000x?
As I've stated up stream:
Additionally, 20,000x Max win seems like an oddly round number for this type of game.. Is that a single 20,000x pay for example a full screen of strawberries, or a pre recorded feature that results in exactly 20,000x?
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Yes I know...That is enough for me to make up my mind because in the streaming community a lot of shady happenings occur.
Has nothing to do with the slot itself of course.
I just don't trust streamers in general, very few I do trust.
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Glad to hear that you love the games though
Yes your games are very entertaining. So 2 thumbs up for that!!
And had some really nice hits already on them too which makes it even better.
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It's not unethical at all. Mega Moolah is a poor slot with a dreadful RTP as 8% is in the progressives part. It cannot be that popular as with 8% progressive contribution it only needs 12 million spins (a relatively paltry amount) at £1 to grow the total pots by 1m and it takes weeks even allowing for minor and mini wins, so go figure its turnover compared to Bonanza! Playtech use a 0.99% RTP contribution to retain some kind of reward in the game itself outside the progressives, so they grow far more slowly.
I am not apologizing for any developer behaviour and I didn't say my theoretical Bonanza win wasn't possible but proposed that it would make no practical difference to the game IF it wasn't! To that end many games have different reels and possibilities in the bonus round to what occurs in the base game and this is what makes them more fun - if every slot simply copied the base game with just a multiplier added or multiplying wilds you'd end up with 2,000 IGT Cleopatras and 2000 WMS Raging Rhinos. Play Book Of Ra Deluxe - you all KNOW the FS reels are loaded with more scatters, I don't hear people whingeing? DoA has different reels in the FS and it's obvious there's a cap on Wilds of 11 or 12 but do people complain? Do people divorce themselves from common-sense and expect to hit 100,000x on a Megaways game at £20 in the bonus which would kill most casinos that it occurred in? This is why jackpot progressives exist in the first place, an affordable way for casinos to offer gigantic prizes where they don't meet the liability themselves.
I can clearly see the dilemma facing developers here when reading these kind of threads as it must be like BMW trying to explain every facet of their cars' On Board Computers to people when all the while they're probably thinking 'Just drive the fucking thing!'
So we all want Novomatic to make an addendum to their pay tables something like this:
"The maximum win here will occur when triggering the bonus, getting Explorer selected and hitting a full screen on all 10 spins for 50,000x total bet.
In the occurrence of retriggering the bonus this could rise to 100,000x bet. With two retriggers, 150,000x bet. With 9 retriggers 500,000x bet.
The Maximum win in the base game is 527.5x bet which is a full line of Explorers top left to bottom right with wild (1) on reel 1, Wild (3) on reel 2 Wild (4) on reel 3 and Wild (2) on reel 4. This will award 500x, plus 2.5x for 4OAK 10's twice, 20x for 4 Wilds alone and 5 lines of 0.5x consisting of queens/Wild."
Or Netent to have a 2TB list of possible Wild outcomes in the free games and all their possible pays?
Twin Spin to list all the possible pays for 1,2,3,4,6,8,9,12,24 and 27 5OAK 7's?
Is it not obvious Megaways reels are slightly different in the FS due to the inclusion of scatters only on the middle 4 reels, above or below?
I give up.
I gotta say that every streamer i follow has crazy hits on Jammin Jars and they got them early. Also i remember few months ago when every streamer were hitting hot spot wins on Joker Pro (1000x). Now they don't even play it anymore.
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prizes where they don't meet the liability themselves.
I can clearly see the dilemma facing developers here when reading these kind of threads as it must be like BMW trying to explain every facet of their cars' On Board Computers to people when all the while they're probably thinking 'Just drive the fucking thing!'
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I imagine trance says this to himself a half dozen times a day
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For my part I am actually embarrassed that any member here seriously proposed you could or would do this.
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So these rules need updating then, do they not?
As it reads here, the player could reasonably expect the jam jars to move in any direction, including one that could make a far bigger pay than is going to be the case, as the round is pre-determined.
As it reads here, the player could reasonably expect the jam jars to move in any direction, including one that could make a far bigger pay than is going to be the case, as the round is pre-determined.
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I've lost the plot ?
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Never mind.
I explained already.
This was pointed to the streamers.
I do not like them and I do not trust them and I never will.
Nothing to do with the games from PUSH as stated, love em and play them a lot.
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If anyone is familiar with them, Jack Cohen and Ian Stewart have discussed coincidences often (dumbed down well in Pratchett's Discworld series) but here's an online snippet
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No one is complaining about slots having different reel sets for features, well not in this thread anyway but I appreciate the effort you went to defending them anyway.
And regarding your other argument against a point I didn't make, Frankly yes it should specify Max win.
Case in point the new quickspin slot big bot crew- which boldly proclaims on the splash screen Win 5000x immediately above a screenshot of a full screen of wilds. As a seasoned gambler I took this at face value but what it "meant" was that you need a full screen of sticky wilds on the first spin of a feature!
So yes some clarity would not go amiss although it's easy to argue against it with your "where does it end" slippery slope rhetoric.
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The thing is, this slot is pulling from a predetermined (massive) pool of wins and has a max win. On most normal slots there are maths in play to make it random, and you could get endless retriggers, but with smart maths it would nearly be impossible, but not quite.
Bonanza was advertised as theoretical 10.000x max win to casinos but someone has hit outside that, which was outside their slot testing payouts. It was very very unlikely that it could happen, but it did.
So when a slot is misleading you to believe that it could have endless potential when it can't, you feel betrayed. That's the issue here.
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To clarify: what people are unhappy to find out is that their feature is predetermined- careful curated to limit liability, to give the illusion of having a slim chance when there actually is none.
Not just the features but also the Giant Fruit drops apparently, why would those need to be preset except to limit liability?
The entire premise of gambling is that the odds are against us but there's just that slim chance, vanishingly small that we could get that earth shattering win, if the jars only lined up just so, and why shouldn't they eventually, after all it's possible, right? So you put more spins through, spend more time and more money on what is actually an impossible pursuit, now not just unlikely, but hopeless.
Not just the features but also the Giant Fruit drops apparently, why would those need to be preset except to limit liability?
The entire premise of gambling is that the odds are against us but there's just that slim chance, vanishingly small that we could get that earth shattering win, if the jars only lined up just so, and why shouldn't they eventually, after all it's possible, right? So you put more spins through, spend more time and more money on what is actually an impossible pursuit, now not just unlikely, but hopeless.
