Jackpot/Win - Or Just A Looser .... I Want Your Opinion And Advice?

[unlucky101]

HI all, im new to this site, and im looking for your opinion/advice on a recent win/loose last month on a pokie on an online casino, (romecasino),

i got 5wilds on a winning line, it paid nothing, i was betting $6.25 per push @ max lines (25), it paid on everything else except the wilds, (something i found very strange).

the jackpot was $1.8mil and 5 wilds is the jackpot

the casino, told me that i had to be playing max lines (25) x max bet $125.00 per push, not the way i read the rules, but i still cant understand why it didnt at least pay for the 5wilds, or even pay on the jackpot

pics are as follows










i would like everyones opinion on this, as im not sure if ive been ripped off or if im just a bad looser

i look forward to your comments, thanks unluck101

 

[Nate]

Do 5 wilds feature in the paytable to begin with? You may find they only substitute for other symbols and pay the top award at max bet... I don't know the game.. just asking?

Nate

 

[unlucky101]

the only referance to the 5wilds is whats shown.... i neglected to say that my bet was the max bet for that coin x max lines ....

 

[Nifty29]

It's appalling that you get NOTHING......that's right....the 5 wilds paid NOTHING....unless you're betting $125 per spin.

What a disgrace. If the 5 wilds don't pay, they should pay at least for 5OAK of the top symbol. Otherwise, the paytable is misleading bordering on deceptive.

Mind you, it is top game and Rome casino, so I'm not terribly surprised.

Could you please post the rules regarding wilds and how they substitute?

 

[chuchu59]

Strictly from what you have shown to us it seems you have been ripped-off, big-time. But its Rome casino so nothing surprises me.

Even if you had hit5 wilds at $125 per spin they would have invented an excuse not to pay you or pay you by instalments over 1000 months.

 

[De Beuker]

Thats how those TopGame progressives work unfortunately, you have to play max. bet at the highest coinsize to have a chance of hitting the progressive (which is pretty insane if you ask me), so if you had played 125.- per spin you would have won it.

Now if you had ever seen anything of that money, thats a completely different story.
TopGame casinos are not the most trustworthy ones unfortunately.
There have been too many issues in the past with both operators and software, personally I would stay far, far away from TG powered casinos.

Better take your business elswhere imo.

 

[unlucky101]

It's appalling that you get NOTHING......that's right....the 5 wilds paid NOTHING....unless you're betting $125 per spin.

What a disgrace. If the 5 wilds don't pay, they should pay at least for 5OAK of the top symbol. Otherwise, the paytable is misleading bordering on deceptive.

Mind you, it is top game and Rome casino, so I'm not terribly surprised.

Could you please post the rules regarding wilds and how they substitute?

THATS THE ONLY INFORMATION ON THE 5WILDS, THAT PIC IS FROM THE PAYTABLE ITSELF

 

[bigjohn]

A screenshot of the entire paytable might help these guys figure it out with you. I don't think you are going to find many here that will download that casino just to see it. How did you take these screenshots? Any screenshots I've ever seen have been straight up and down.

 

[unlucky101]

A screenshot of the actual paytable would certainly help these guys figure it out with you. How did you take these screenshots? Any screenshots I've ever seen have been straight up and down.

THAT IS THE SCREEN SHOT OF THE PAYTABLE FOR THE 5X WILDS THERE IS NOTHING ELSE ON THE PAYTABLE IN REFERANCE TO THE 5WILDS,... PICS WERE TAKEN WITH A CAMERA SITTING IN FRONT OF MY PC ....

 

[bigjohn]

THAT IS THE SCREEN SHOT OF THE PAYTABLE FOR THE 5X WILDS THERE IS NOTHING ELSE ON THE PAYTABLE IN REFERANCE TO THE 5WILDS,... PICS WERE TAKEN WITH A CAMERA SITTING IN FRONT OF MY PC ....

That may be so but does it say anywhere that wilds only substitute for the highest symbol on the payline? Does it list a payout amount for 2 or 3 or 4 wilds?

 

[rockycatt]

it says hit five wilds while playing max bet in your picture ., I think its raw deal for the player because it obviously kills the line if your not playing max bet

 

[mattsgame]

THAT IS THE SCREEN SHOT OF THE PAYTABLE FOR THE 5X WILDS THERE IS NOTHING ELSE ON THE PAYTABLE IN REFERANCE TO THE 5WILDS,... PICS WERE TAKEN WITH A CAMERA SITTING IN FRONT OF MY PC ....

First off welcome to Casinomeister. Please try not to use all caps as it looks like your yelling at people rudely.

If this is all that is in the paytable then as Nifty has said the wilds pay nothing alone but only substitute for all other symbols (unless betting a ridiculous $125 per spin) I don't have the paytable in front of me and just guessing but its seems like the logical answer. EDIT: looked at the full paytable and this is the case, you get nothing unless betting max $125 and landing all 5 wilds as in your picture

Just another reason to stay well clear of ROME and all TOP GAME casinos, you will find way better places to play at that will treat you right, have the right information at hand and don't use these types of tactics (it is deceptive). Not to mention all the other BS that comes along with playing at a Top Game casino.

BTW take a look here: Top Game Blunders

Cheers
Matt

 

[PegeeSue]

paytable

Here's an ss of the paytable. He should have gotten something for the 5 wilds.

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[mattsgame]

Here's an ss of the paytable. He should have gotten something for the 5 wilds.

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Going by the paytable and the rules written there, no he shouldn't.

Wilds pay nothing, there is no paytable for them at all. Wild substitutes but is not a stand alone paying symbol, and the only time it pays anything is when you get 5 on max bet and win the Jackpot. I agree its pretty bad that 5 wilds pays nothing at all, but it is there in the paytable.

P.S knowing these casinos and software, even if it had been at max bet they probably would have come out and said that "Hit 5 Wild Balls On One Line While Playing All Lines At Max Bet To Win The Jackpot" actually meant you had to hit the 5 wilds on line 1

 

[chuchu59]

Going by the paytable and the rules written there, no he shouldn't.

Wilds pay nothing, there is no paytable for them at all. Wild substitutes but is not a stand alone paying symbol, and the only time it pays anything is when you get 5 on max bet and win the Jackpot. I agree its pretty bad that 5 wilds pays nothing at all, but it is there in the paytable.

P.S knowing these casinos and software, even if it had been at max bet they probably would have come out and said that "Hit 5 Wild Balls On One Line While Playing All Lines At Max Bet To Win The Jackpot" actually meant you had to hit the 5 wilds on line 1

A normal interpretation would be a 'wild could substitute any symbol meaning the least that should be paid for 5 wilds is five '8's. In any case line 1 should have paid for five '3's and line 4 should have paid for five '2's. This is rogue software at its worst with a rogue casino to boot.

 

[mattsgame]

A normal interpretation would be a 'wild could substitute any symbol meaning the least that should be paid for 5 wilds is five '8's. In any case line 1 should have paid for five '3's and line 4 should have paid for five '2's. This is rogue software at its worst with a rogue casino to boot.

Chu mate, if you take a look at the op's screenshot you will see line 13 = the 5x8's actually paid $750 Line 4 paid $37.50 and line 1 had paid $50 for 5x3's which means they did substitute like they are meant to, they just pay nothing alone.

I agree that it should at least be a payout of the highest paying symbol AKA break da bank again.

 

[unlucky101]

Chu mate, if you take a look at the op's screenshot you will see line 13 = the 5x8's actually paid $750 Line 4 paid $37.50 and line 1 had paid $50 for 5x3's which means they did substitute like they are meant to, they just pay nothing alone.

I agree that it should at least be a payout of the highest paying symbol AKA break da bank again.

hi, and thanks for all the info everyone...

you are correct it did pay on all other winning combinations, just nothing for the 5 wilds on line 12.

the way i read the rules of the game are to win the jackpot you have to be playing max lines by max bet,
now, i was playing max lines, and max bet for that coin, but as explained to me max bet should have been $125.00... now i axcept there decision, but its playing with words and everyones interpratation of those words, and besides what normal person playing these games can afford to bet at 125 per push.. they should be made to have the rules better explained, but i guess thats how they make there money, from the little people so the high rollers can win big .....


also sorry for the caps before, >>>>> newbie <<<<<<

 

[chayton]

Well it sucks that it didn't pay you anything, but to be completely honest it would have sucked even more if you had won and not gotten paid anyhow. There have been so many issues with Top Game casinos, I wouldn't be too quick to start playing $125 per spin, that's for sure.

 

[clees42]

the paytable clearly contradicts whats happening here. the paytable says wilds substitute for other symbols and that is not happening.

 

[Pinababy69]

I'm afraid that Mattsgame and DeBeuker are 100% correct, when they state that you get paid ZERO for five wilds...unless you are playing all lines on MAX bet....in this case $125 per spin.

I know, because it's one of the many things I ranted about with Topgame, back when the whole cheating software scandal was ongoing...you remember, missing symbols on the reels that they denied for weeks, progressive jackpots that just disappeared with no explanation for months...until they finally said they used those funds to repay the players who had played the cheating software...yeah, right.

One of the other issues was players who played these progressive slots, not realizing that MAX bet meant exactly that. Not just max bet at that particular coin denomination, but max bet period. So anyone who may casually spin for a buck or two a spin had no chance to actually win the progressive, although I'm assuming that a percentage of their stake went towards fueling the progressive itself. And then to have those JP's just "disappear".

Rogue operators, rogue software...bad news all around. Stay well clear. Just punch in Topgame into the search box at the top of the forum and you should get enough info to keep you busy reading for a week.

I'd stick bamboo shoots under my nails before I gave these crooks a penny of my money.

EDIT: I had assumed you were from the US...and had limited options in where to play. But you are in Australia, and have a wealth of reputable casinos/softwares to choose from. Please...stay away from Topgame. Choose MG, NetEnt...even a reputable RTG or Playtech...but avoid Topgame like the plague.

EDIT #2: Just for quick reference, start here in re: their software and the way they handled it all: https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/topgame-slots-rogue-software.31796/

Posts #89 and #92 mention the max bet thing on progressive games...in those instances it was a 9 line slot which had to be played at $45 a spin, and a 13 line slot which had to be played at $65 a spin. But read the whole thread...there are more posts on the exact same issue as yours.

 

[chuchu59]

What I dont get is why 5 wilds dont count as 5 '8's which is the highest paying symbol.People will be nuts to spin @$125 or even $45 when it is obvious the crooks wont pay. Major Millions at MG cost only $3 per spin and the Dark Knight requires a min of 0.30 per spinand I read somewhere that a lucky player scooped the major jp with this bet size. Random Jackpots at RTG may be much smaller but you can hit one for as little as 0.20 as I can attest to. No matter how attractive the Topgame Jackpot may be players will be nuts to play max bet for a fling at it. It's time the gaming community boycotted the software given its rogueness.

 

[De Beuker]

And I bet that the smaller bets, in fact, ALL the bets placed on the game contribute their percentage to the jackpot. Otherwise it can never grow that high.

But as Chuchu said, no-one in his right mind spins these slots at 125.- per spin.
In other words, that jackpot will never be won, ever.
So in the end, who will pocket that money?

Smart guys at TopGame headquarters dont you think?

 

[mattsgame]

And I bet that the smaller bets, in fact, ALL the bets placed on the game contribute their percentage to the jackpot. Otherwise it can never grow that high.

But as Chuchu said, no-one in his right mind spins these slots at 125.- per spin.
In other words, that jackpot will never be won, ever.
So in the end, who will pocket that money?

yep, every bet you would assume goes into the jackpot pool no matter how big or small otherwise it wouldn't grow and I highly doubt there is to many suckers betting $125 a pop to make it so.

It is just greed that they want players to be betting $125 per spin to have a "Chance", oh well at least with this one we know there is actually a chance and no wild symbols are missing

 

[unlucky101]

thanks

thanks to all for your coments and opinions, i no longer play at rome casino, i havent done since this occured
and being a long term gambler, first time forum user, i have finally relised that i should have joined a forum
a long, long time ago, to get some insight into some or all the available online casino's, so again thanks, you have steered me in the Right direction and away from rogue or bad casino's or bad experience's

thanks to all

 

[vinylweatherman]

Look on the bright side, you actually saw that 5 wilds exist on this slot

Don't they have a max withdrawal limit of $500 a week?, so good luck getting that progressive you won from a $125 bet before you die