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It sad you have to come to a forum or contact the webmaster to get paid

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by bethug, Jun 7, 2004.

    Jun 7, 2004
  1. bethug

    bethug Banned User - Winner of the "<a href="http://www.c

    It sad you have to come to a forum or contact the webmaster to get paid.
    How many players that dont visit the boards are not getting paid.

    I listen to casinomeister webcast and i like his points on webmaster promoting slow paying casinos. Which have me to beleive alot of people just give up and dont try to collect after a while.

    How can u trust some webmaster and they promote any casinos and they use the excuse cause they always pay in the end. You cant. There way to many good casinos out there to promote bad ones. IF you see a portal promoting bad casinos, email them ask them why?
  2. Jun 7, 2004
  3. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Just so you know where Bethug is coming from:

    This is from Friday's webcast:

    Me: We all know that Grand Banks, Black Widow, and Sterlinghouse casinos either delay payments or withhold payments. Honestly, I feel its a cash flow problem, or a rob Peter to pay Paul situation. But regardless, any portal operator with any scruples would not be promoting this group of casinos. Unfortunately, these two webmasters who run these portals are some of the most outspoken dweebs on the message boards. And they use other portal message boards to further their own misguided cause. They dont give a flying rats ass about the player, they dont give a flying rats ass about the industry.

    Vortran: They have no criteria or selectivity on who to promote. They sell their integrity for financial gain. They are deceptive. They are not nice people.
    *****end of transcript

    The warning was for CPA's site and Cyndi Carley's gleeful banner farm. These two webmasters habitually promote crap casinos, and they don't give a damn about the player until the player has a problem. It's kind of like putting the cart before the horse.

    Hey, how about NOT promoting problematic casinos. What a concept! :eek2:
  4. Jun 8, 2004
  5. mrracetrack

    mrracetrack Dormant account

    North of Pluto
    Interesting that you picked "those two" portals to criticize...

    Are they the "only" two that has Grand Banks & Black Widow listed??

    Lets see.... You did a wonderful interview with the new GM of WINNERonline... so I went to the WOL "CASINO LIST"... and what do I find on there?? :rolleyes:

    Black Widow Casino Playtech Yes
    BlackDog Casino Diamond Games Optional
    Blackjack Castle iCrystal Yes
    Blackjack.com OddsOn Yes

    GoTo Casino Unified Gaming No
    Grand Aces Aqua Online Yes
    Grand Banks Casino Playtech Yes

    Hummmmmmm...... :what: "Selective reporting"?? :cool:
  6. Jun 8, 2004
  7. jpm

    jpm Dormant account

    Yikes! I hope that the 'yes' after the casinos' names mean that 'yes, this place sucks. stay away!'
  8. Jun 8, 2004
  9. dickens1298

    dickens1298 Dormant account

    LA, California
    WOL is merely listing those casinos...not offering any recommendations at all. And if you think it's implied, then I say caveat emptor. I have not seen the aforementioned casinos advertised on WOL.

    And - by the way - the "YES" and "optional" fields relate to whether a download is required or not.

  10. Jun 8, 2004
  11. the_cpa

    the_cpa Dormant account

    Those that have taken the time to get to know me, know that the picture you are trying to paint is patently false, and grossly inappropriate.

    Perhaps those like yourself that don't, should.
    What a concept that be! :rolleyes:
  12. Jun 8, 2004
  13. mrracetrack

    mrracetrack Dormant account

    North of Pluto

    Sorry Dickens... I disagree... :cool:

    WOL posts a direct link with an affiliate code...

    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    THAT is NOT "merely listing those casinos"...

    That is EXACTLY what Bryan seems so pissed about that those "other two" portals did.

    He needs to include WOL also, if he feels this way... :eek:
    Last edited: Jun 8, 2004
  14. Jun 8, 2004
  15. dickens1298

    dickens1298 Dormant account

    LA, California
    Yes...mea culpa. You're right.

  16. Jun 8, 2004
  17. bethug

    bethug Banned User - Winner of the "<a href="http://www.c

    Track you have a great point, i never pay attention to wol listed casinos, they once had crystal palace listed. But wol is a big company, not like one or two man shops.

    Cpa i have a question( not trying to attack you cpa) but dont you think something is wrong when a player have to contact a webmaster time after time to get paid from some of these casinos. You know grand banks and a few others jerk people around. There to many good casinos you can push.

    Also i read a great post that cindy posted about if u win 10000 , why cant u get paid 10000 and not in small sums. But still she promotes slow paying casinos. Cindy and you cpa have some pull , why dont u get all them webmaster and ask them to stop promoting slow paying casinos. You will make more money in the long run. :eek2:
  18. Jun 8, 2004
  19. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Jeeze! I get the Carely gang in here :eek:

    And it was Vortran who pointed the finger - not me.

    No, but they are not merely "listed" at CPA and VPJ - they are advertised with bonus offerings and banners. If these two webmasters choose to advertise casinos that admittingly deceive players, then they should be accountable for their deception. They clearly advertise for this group of casinos.

    And don't come prancing in here like there is nothing wrong with that by trying to be coy and pointing at WOL's casino "listings". This is like comparing apples and oranges. WOL (which is a company, not an affiliate) has every casino listed under the sun (almost), but the ones that sponsor the site are listed separatly.

    You don't see banners for BW and GB at WOL, but at CPA's and Carely's sites you do. So what's up with that? No scruples, that's what.

    Oh barf. I'm not painting any picture, you are doing it yourself dude with your careless promotion. Just go away and don't bother me with your crap. And what's with the title CPA? Are you an accountant? Or does this stand for "Casino Players Advocate". If I were you, I'd change my handle to something more appropriate like Carely's hande at "This sucks"
  20. Jun 8, 2004
  21. caruso

    caruso Banned User - repetitive violations of 1.6 - troll

    Casino apologist
    Cindy and Nick have both helped me out - Cindy collected my outstanding $11,000 from Cirrus, and Nick expediated $1500 from Giant Vegas. Personally speaking, I like both of them. If one is attacked, one has a right to self-defence, and this courtesy has been flagrantly, maliciously denied these two at various other outfits lower down the integrity scale than Casinomeister. I hope they'll remain as welcome in Bryan's "domain" as he hopefully remains in theirs.

    That's my first, last and only comment on this unfortunate matter.
  22. Jun 8, 2004
  23. the_cpa

    the_cpa Dormant account

    Thanks Caruso. British Isle rings a bell too!
    The people that matter know the truth.
    Those that don't; don't matter anyway.
  24. Jun 8, 2004
  25. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Hey since you're in here, how about answering the question "Why are you an affiliate of Black Widow and Grand Banks casino?"

    And since you promote them, how about contacting your affiliate managers and ask them why Embalu has been waiting since December 2003 for his payment? And he is just one player out of quite of few that have been patiently waiting. One guy has been waiting since September 2003. :thumbsup:

    Good going! How many players have you unknowingly screwed over, huh?
  26. Jun 8, 2004
  27. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    You don't need to answer that one since it is "unknowingly". Purely rhetorical.
  28. Jun 8, 2004
  29. the_cpa

    the_cpa Dormant account

    I choose not to respond to your patheic insinuations.
    For your own misguided reasons you chose to single my operation out a crowd of hundreds, or maybe thousands. I have responded respectfully to that here, just for the record.
    One of the most respected people from the players side has vouched for my integrity. That's good enough for me.

    Also, we have covered this subject at the Sucks board already a few days ago. I don't have the time to keep track of, and re-write everything in multible forums.

    My imput on this is there if you are really that interested.
    If you care to add your thoughts or questions to that, feel free to do so.
  30. Jun 8, 2004
  31. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    How is bringing up the fact that you promote the Chance Group of casinos an insinuation? I guess those aren't affiliate links at your site, but insinuating ones. :what:

    Misguided no - you two webmasters are the first on the list since you choose the limelight so to speak. The spammers and portal masters who have hundreds of sites are culprits too. But since you and "her" choose to attract attention to yourselves, obviously you're the first persons Vortan and I pointed fingers at.

    Caruso said you helped him get some money back from some rogue-ass casino, and he said he liked you. Don't put words in the dude's mouth.

    Blah blah blah. Go back to your hole.

    I really am not interested in your "imput". You've avoided my question on why you choose to promote the Chance Group, fair enough.

    I'll move on to other matters.

    To the rest of the crowd:

    The main thing that I am concerned about is that there are too many webmasters who fail to see that there is a certain amount of responsibilty one assumes when promoting online casinos. Many webmasters don't get it. They see this as purely as a business - and will promote anyone regardless. There are also a number that will promote any casino, but will drop casinos when problems arise. That's fine and dandy, but by then it's probably too late for the player. Then there are webmasters who will only take on casinos after the casinos pass the webmaster's litmus test.

    Anyway, I think what Bethug was getting at is how do players know what standards the webmasters hold their casinos to. And why is it that players have to come to the boards when they have a complaint.

    Seems like I derailed a thread in my own board. Sorry :D
  32. Jun 8, 2004
  33. ShadyPlayer22

    ShadyPlayer22 Dormant account

    east coast USA
    yah dont promote those two sorry-ass casinos (bw and gb). they are complete garbage. let them die like onluckcasino did.
  34. Jun 8, 2004
  35. angahar

    angahar Dormant account

    Hey this is pretty fun to read. CPA could you post some more illogical and irrelevant blather so Bryan can trounce on it again? Please?
  36. Jun 9, 2004
  37. jpm

    jpm Dormant account

    Well then if you really do have the integrity you believe that you have, how can you knowingly promote these ROGUE casinos on your site? Obviously its all about the money they pay you to direct the ignorant newbies to these clip joints, and I'm speaking specifically about Black Widow and Grand Banks. Please defend your promotion and tacit approval of these two rogues.
  38. Jun 9, 2004
  39. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Actually, when I cranked up the compter this morning, I banned both Mrracetrack and the_cpa from the forum. Here's why:

    The forum is like my living room with the door wide open. I'm in here talking to people about stuff. People freely walk into my living room and sit down and blab away as well, whatever. I make some comments that "upset" some people, these people prance in, make their comments and leave. Fine and dandy.

    As I go out for an evening stroll, these same people are standing on the street corner calling me an asshole. Do you think I'm going to let them back into my house when I get home? I think not. This is my house, not some soapbox in the town square for anyone to use at their whim.

    If the cpa would have come in and debated why he chooses to promote the Chance group, that would have been fine. But if you reread this thread you'll see he never had that intention. I gave him his chance to do so, he chose not to take it.

    Okay, one more chance. I've temporarily lifted then ban.

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