It sad you have to come to a forum or contact the webmaster to get paid

[bethug]

It sad you have to come to a forum or contact the webmaster to get paid.
How many players that dont visit the boards are not getting paid.

I listen to casinomeister webcast and i like his points on webmaster promoting slow paying casinos. Which have me to beleive alot of people just give up and dont try to collect after a while.

How can u trust some webmaster and they promote any casinos and they use the excuse cause they always pay in the end. You cant. There way to many good casinos out there to promote bad ones. IF you see a portal promoting bad casinos, email them ask them why?

 

[The Dude]

Just so you know where Bethug is coming from:

This is from Friday's webcast:
https://www.casinomeister.com/podcasts/

Me: We all know that Grand Banks, Black Widow, and Sterlinghouse casinos either delay payments or withhold payments. Honestly, I feel its a cash flow problem, or a rob Peter to pay Paul situation. But regardless, any portal operator with any scruples would not be promoting this group of casinos. Unfortunately, these two webmasters who run these portals are some of the most outspoken dweebs on the message boards. And they use other portal message boards to further their own misguided cause. They dont give a flying rats ass about the player, they dont give a flying rats ass about the industry.

Vortran: They have no criteria or selectivity on who to promote. They sell their integrity for financial gain. They are deceptive. They are not nice people.
*****end of transcript

The warning was for CPA's site and Cyndi Carley's gleeful banner farm. These two webmasters habitually promote crap casinos, and they don't give a damn about the player until the player has a problem. It's kind of like putting the cart before the horse.

Hey, how about NOT promoting problematic casinos. What a concept!

 

[mrracetrack]

Interesting that you picked "those two" portals to criticize...

Are they the "only" two that has Grand Banks & Black Widow listed??

Lets see.... You did a wonderful interview with the new GM of WINNERonline... so I went to the WOL "CASINO LIST"... and what do I find on there??

Black Widow Casino Playtech Yes
BlackDog Casino Diamond Games Optional
Blackjack Castle iCrystal Yes
Blackjack.com OddsOn Yes

GoTo Casino Unified Gaming No
Grand Aces Aqua Online Yes
Grand Banks Casino Playtech Yes

Hummmmmmm...... "Selective reporting"??

 

[jpm]

Yikes! I hope that the 'yes' after the casinos' names mean that 'yes, this place sucks. stay away!'

 

[dickens1298]

WOL is merely listing those casinos...not offering any recommendations at all. And if you think it's implied, then I say caveat emptor. I have not seen the aforementioned casinos advertised on WOL.

And - by the way - the "YES" and "optional" fields relate to whether a download is required or not.

Interesting that you picked "those two" portals to criticize...

Are they the "only" two that has Grand Banks & Black Widow listed??

Lets see.... You did a wonderful interview with the new GM of WINNERonline... so I went to the WOL "CASINO LIST"... and what do I find on there??

Black Widow Casino Playtech Yes
BlackDog Casino Diamond Games Optional
Blackjack Castle iCrystal Yes
Blackjack.com OddsOn Yes

GoTo Casino Unified Gaming No
Grand Aces Aqua Online Yes
Grand Banks Casino Playtech Yes

Hummmmmmm...... "Selective reporting"??

 

[the_cpa]

Those that have taken the time to get to know me, know that the picture you are trying to paint is patently false, and grossly inappropriate.

Perhaps those like yourself that don't, should.
What a concept that be!

 

[mrracetrack]

WOL is merely listing those casinos...

Sorry Dickens... I disagree...

WOL posts a direct link with an affiliate code...

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

THAT is NOT "merely listing those casinos"...

That is EXACTLY what Bryan seems so pissed about that those "other two" portals did.

He needs to include WOL also, if he feels this way...

 

[dickens1298]

Yes...mea culpa. You're right.

Sorry Dickens... I disagree...

WOL posts a direct link with an affiliate code...

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

THAT is NOT "merely listing those casinos"...

That is EXACTLY what Bryan seems so pissed about that those "other two" portals did.

He needs to include WOL also, if he feels this way...

 

[bethug]

Track you have a great point, i never pay attention to wol listed casinos, they once had crystal palace listed. But wol is a big company, not like one or two man shops.

Cpa i have a question( not trying to attack you cpa) but dont you think something is wrong when a player have to contact a webmaster time after time to get paid from some of these casinos. You know grand banks and a few others jerk people around. There to many good casinos you can push.

Also i read a great post that cindy posted about if u win 10000 , why cant u get paid 10000 and not in small sums. But still she promotes slow paying casinos. Cindy and you cpa have some pull , why dont u get all them webmaster and ask them to stop promoting slow paying casinos. You will make more money in the long run.

 

[The Dude]

Jeeze! I get the Carely gang in here

And it was Vortran who pointed the finger - not me.

Are they the "only" two that has Grand Banks & Black Widow listed??

No, but they are not merely "listed" at CPA and VPJ - they are advertised with bonus offerings and banners. If these two webmasters choose to advertise casinos that admittingly deceive players, then they should be accountable for their deception. They clearly advertise for this group of casinos.

And don't come prancing in here like there is nothing wrong with that by trying to be coy and pointing at WOL's casino "listings". This is like comparing apples and oranges. WOL (which is a company, not an affiliate) has every casino listed under the sun (almost), but the ones that sponsor the site are listed separatly.

You don't see banners for BW and GB at WOL, but at CPA's and Carely's sites you do. So what's up with that? No scruples, that's what.

Those that have taken the time to get to know me, know that the picture you are trying to paint is patently false, and grossly inappropriate

Oh barf. I'm not painting any picture, you are doing it yourself dude with your careless promotion. Just go away and don't bother me with your crap. And what's with the title CPA? Are you an accountant? Or does this stand for "Casino Players Advocate". If I were you, I'd change my handle to something more appropriate like Carely's hande at "This sucks"

 

[caruso]

Cindy and Nick have both helped me out - Cindy collected my outstanding $11,000 from Cirrus, and Nick expediated $1500 from Giant Vegas. Personally speaking, I like both of them. If one is attacked, one has a right to self-defence, and this courtesy has been flagrantly, maliciously denied these two at various other outfits lower down the integrity scale than Casinomeister. I hope they'll remain as welcome in Bryan's "domain" as he hopefully remains in theirs.

That's my first, last and only comment on this unfortunate matter.

 

[the_cpa]

That's my first, last and only comment on this unfortunate matter.

Thanks Caruso. British Isle rings a bell too!
The people that matter know the truth.
Those that don't; don't matter anyway.

 

[The Dude]

Thanks Caruso. British Isle rings a bell too!
The people that matter know the truth.
Those that don't; don't matter anyway.

Hey since you're in here, how about answering the question "Why are you an affiliate of Black Widow and Grand Banks casino?"

And since you promote them, how about contacting your affiliate managers and ask them why Embalu has been waiting since December 2003 for his payment? And he is just one player out of quite of few that have been patiently waiting. One guy has been waiting since September 2003.

Good going! How many players have you unknowingly screwed over, huh?

 

[The Dude]

Good going! How many players have you unknowingly screwed over, huh?

You don't need to answer that one since it is "unknowingly". Purely rhetorical.

 

[the_cpa]

I choose not to respond to your patheic insinuations.
For your own misguided reasons you chose to single my operation out a crowd of hundreds, or maybe thousands. I have responded respectfully to that here, just for the record.
One of the most respected people from the players side has vouched for my integrity. That's good enough for me.

Also, we have covered this subject at the Sucks board already a few days ago. I don't have the time to keep track of, and re-write everything in multible forums.

My imput on this is there if you are really that interested.
If you care to add your thoughts or questions to that, feel free to do so.

 

[The Dude]

I choose not to respond to your patheic insinuations..

How is bringing up the fact that you promote the Chance Group of casinos an insinuation? I guess those aren't affiliate links at your site, but insinuating ones.

For your own misguided reasons you chose to single my operation out a crowd of hundreds, or maybe thousands. ..

Misguided no - you two webmasters are the first on the list since you choose the limelight so to speak. The spammers and portal masters who have hundreds of sites are culprits too. But since you and "her" choose to attract attention to yourselves, obviously you're the first persons Vortan and I pointed fingers at.

One of the most respected people from the players side has vouched for my integrity. That's good enough for me...

Caruso said you helped him get some money back from some rogue-ass casino, and he said he liked you. Don't put words in the dude's mouth.

Also, we have covered this subject at the Sucks board already a few days ago. I don't have the time to keep track of, and re-write everything in multible forums....

Blah blah blah. Go back to your hole.

My imput on this is there if you are really that interested.

I really am not interested in your "imput". You've avoided my question on why you choose to promote the Chance Group, fair enough.

I'll move on to other matters.

To the rest of the crowd:

The main thing that I am concerned about is that there are too many webmasters who fail to see that there is a certain amount of responsibilty one assumes when promoting online casinos. Many webmasters don't get it. They see this as purely as a business - and will promote anyone regardless. There are also a number that will promote any casino, but will drop casinos when problems arise. That's fine and dandy, but by then it's probably too late for the player. Then there are webmasters who will only take on casinos after the casinos pass the webmaster's litmus test.

Anyway, I think what Bethug was getting at is how do players know what standards the webmasters hold their casinos to. And why is it that players have to come to the boards when they have a complaint.

Seems like I derailed a thread in my own board. Sorry

 

[ShadyPlayer22]

yah dont promote those two sorry-ass casinos (bw and gb). they are complete garbage. let them die like onluckcasino did.

 

[angahar]

Hey this is pretty fun to read. CPA could you post some more illogical and irrelevant blather so Bryan can trounce on it again? Please?

 

[jpm]

I choose not to respond to your patheic insinuations.
For your own misguided reasons you chose to single my operation out a crowd of hundreds, or maybe thousands. I have responded respectfully to that here, just for the record.
One of the most respected people from the players side has vouched for my integrity. That's good enough for me.

Well then if you really do have the integrity you believe that you have, how can you knowingly promote these ROGUE casinos on your site? Obviously its all about the money they pay you to direct the ignorant newbies to these clip joints, and I'm speaking specifically about Black Widow and Grand Banks. Please defend your promotion and tacit approval of these two rogues.

 

[The Dude]

Actually, when I cranked up the compter this morning, I banned both Mrracetrack and the_cpa from the forum. Here's why:

The forum is like my living room with the door wide open. I'm in here talking to people about stuff. People freely walk into my living room and sit down and blab away as well, whatever. I make some comments that "upset" some people, these people prance in, make their comments and leave. Fine and dandy.

As I go out for an evening stroll, these same people are standing on the street corner calling me an asshole. Do you think I'm going to let them back into my house when I get home? I think not. This is my house, not some soapbox in the town square for anyone to use at their whim.

If the cpa would have come in and debated why he chooses to promote the Chance group, that would have been fine. But if you reread this thread you'll see he never had that intention. I gave him his chance to do so, he chose not to take it.

Please defend your promotion and tacit approval of these two rogues.

Okay, one more chance. I've temporarily lifted then ban.

 

[jpm]

The forum is like my living room with the door wide open. I'm in here talking to people about stuff. People freely walk into my living room and sit down and blab away as well, whatever. I make some comments that "upset" some people, these people prance in, make their comments and leave. Fine and dandy.

Geez Bryan, I wish you'd told me! I would have put something on before I pranced thru your living room

 

[The Dude]

Geez Bryan, I wish you'd told me! I would have put something on before I pranced thru your living room

Yes, forum users who sign in - I can see you during your visit. I just never told anyone.

 

[LRDell]

Given the vagaries of human shapes and likenesses, Bryan should wear his mask with the eyeholes covered.

 

[amandajm]

Agreed that these guys should drop Grand Banks.

.: The rest i need to get right :.

:: The WOL bloke played down the importance of the recent spat between Max/Wol and the Sucks crew.

:: You ran the swarm over the Sucks crew about their choice of advertising on the same webcast?

:: Then you say a WOL aff link is different to their aff links.

:: Then you ban then.

:: Then unban them.

thats it i think.

 

[The Dude]

Well, times up. Bye CPA, you had the chance to explain to players why you choose to promote the Chance Group.

As for Amandajm, the WOL interview had nothing to do with my views on these two webmasters, and any webmasters who promote these guys. This has been a topic for several months now, you should know since you listen to the show occasionally

If WOL had BW or GB banners on their front pages or whatever, I'd ride them just as hard. Everyone should know that I don't have some weirdo hardon for these guys (the Chance Group), I am just adamant that they need to pay their players when they say they will. Six - eight months is unacceptable. Stating that they purposely delay payments is unacceptable as well. There is nothing underlying about my motivation here.

You ran the swarm over the Sucks crew

There ain't no board war here. I never mentioned anything about that board - except that the CPA could go back there. He has no business posting here from now on. I unbanned CPA to give him the opportunity to answer JPM's question. Nothing wrong with that, but he didn't take the opportunity to do so. Mrractrack's ban was never lifted. Read my analogy above and you'll understand why.