It sad you have to come to a forum or contact the webmaster to get paid

[amandajm]

WOL had richwebmaster banners up for a while a while back... Anyway ::

My reading of this is the people mentioned on the webcast are people that have called you names, not necissarily in your front room, but certainly on the virtual street corner.

That imo is for you what sets them apart from the other 200,000(aprox) pages on google of Grand Banks advertisers.

Which is fine by me, am not going to tell you what your rules of engagement should be and can't tell you to accept people calling you stuff without a retort from you 1 day.

Of course I dare say the other side will say you threw the first barb a way back when - something I don't know the truth of either way.

I just like to have it right if that is ever possible.

What really matters is can Nick or Cindy get the players payment asap.

For the record I personally believe you that Grand Banks are not worthy and do not hold with Nicks point of view about Grand Banks are ok to advertise because the firm pays - albeit slowly at times..

Peace.

 

[The Dude]

WOL had richwebmaster banners up for a while a while back... Anyway ::

Yeah, and so did I. And I removed Black Widows at first in December 2002, and the rest that coming Spring when the operator disclosed to me that his group of casinos systematically delay payouts. This was widely reported on.

Presently, some payouts (mostly 4 figures) have been delayed up to 6-8 months (not weeks). Thus another warning went out a couple of weeks ago warning of a cash flow problem.

My reading of this is the people mentioned on the webcast are people that have called you names, not necissarily in your front room, but certainly on the virtual street corner.

Negative. The two websites I mentioned are run by webmasters who fail to uphold expected standards in advertising. It has nothing to with anything they've done in the past, because I could give a flying rat's ass about that right now. What they are doing is wrong, and it was pointed out in a frank manner.

A couple of weeks before then, a webmaster was nailed on the webcast for using Link Removed ( Old/Invalid) (notice the extra "l") as an unorthodox marketing tool. I don't know the guy - there was no vendetta involved - but what he is doing is clearly wrong and it was pointed out.

That imo is for you what sets them apart from the other 200,000(aprox) pages on google of Grand Banks advertisers.

Wrong, I made it clear that these two webmasters brought this on themselves by their outspokeness.

You shouldn't spend so much time trying to read between the lines - there ain't nothing there. If you choose to promote casinos that are screwing the players, you should be held accountable for your poor decisions.

What really matters is can Nick or Cindy get the players payment asap.

No that doesn't matter. It's a day late and a dollar short. The damage has been done.

I just like to have it right if that is ever possible.

Email me and I will provide you with answers to anything you have.

 

[amandajm]

OK - take on the unworthy webmasters with my blessing.

Have it right though because it feels like you are calling on the webcast listeners to avoid these type of people/portals. There are 200'000 pages on google with grand banks stuff on it and WOL are 1 of them.

To avoid is to boycott, not go there, stay away from? How else is anyone to hold them "accountable"?

It's all or none ~B, not people you don't like or who you think are outspoken sir. An aff link is an aff link in my eyes - i will not be moved by "level of advertising" or "link placement/positioning" arguements.

So :: Reading between the lines - They (Nick etc) say systematic slow pay by these casinos is not the case and you have a hardon for them because the guy faced you off at a conference or something.

They seem to admit slow pay with this firm and urge GB to review their payout policy.

Hence it is imperative they get the players paid up asap and effectively prove they are right and you are wrong on this score.

 

[The Dude]

They (Nick etc) say systematic slow pay by these casinos is not the case and you have a hardon for them because the guy faced you off at a conference or something.

There was no "face off". We chatted quite cordially. In fact we've met and had drinks at the ICE 2004 and recently at the GIGSE. It's just the way they do business. I've also been in contact with Playtech over the past couple of months about this concerning this as well. Your friends don't have a clue to what's going on.

I'm leaving it at that. I have some bags to pack.

 

[jpm]

Systematic slow pay by this casino group is a stone cold fact. They do not abide by their own published information which states "Please note that the casino requires 7 to 10 business days to conduct due diligence regarding the withdrawal before it will be approved. After which point, it may be processed as below..." I'd like to know when the last time someone had their withdrawl processed in this timeframe.

 

[jetset]

Bryan gets in there routinely and does something about resolving hassles and trying to improve things at both the individual and industry level.

If everyone took the "all or nothing" route I suspect that not too much would get done, and if Bryan has personal knowledge on an issue that exists he has every right to address it directly and specifically.

Further, I don't see why players should not hold accountable portals that steer them to bum casinos where they struggle to get paid. They should lay their troubles on the portalmaster, who discharges his or her accountability by solving the problem with the casino, or explaining to the player why it is not a fair complaint. If that isn't an obligation that is accepted, as it is at Casinomeister they deserve to be avoided, imo.

The 'Meisters "Pitch A Bitch" section would probably be less used if that was the case.

 

[amandajm]

Agreed - as you well know.

If me and you sat down and level headedly put a list together of portals that do not have ANY casinos we don't like Brian we'd come up with a mighty short list.

Point in example would be Stings Gambling911 - your infopowa news appeared there at exactly the same time banners for Golden Palace were present some time back. I have read your opinion on G/Palace so I know how you feel about them..

Do I avoid you too for adding quality content to a site carrying moody wares?

Well the answer is no I don't and no I won't avoid you.

Am I trying to bust your balls? - Negative, am just saying it's all or nothing when it comes to a boycott/avoidance situation.

Cheers, J.

 

[jetset]

Amandajm this is tenuous reasoning to say the least imo. The supply of a weekly news column by an independent and external company to a portal bears no practical relevance to the owner of that portal being accountable for continually sending players to casinos he or she knows have a bum record.

GP is probably a bad example to use btw - although unimpressed by their past, the fact is that they are the subject of few if any complaints in more recent times.

The all or nothing approach will do nothing but generate hot air.

 

[m249a]

Let me say this before it becomes open season on my ass as well...(it is a great ass btw)...I have followed with intrest this story on both forums, I have no opinion either way as to who is right and who is wrong. I don't really know what started the whole thing, nor do I think its relevant...coming from someone who had a very bad experience with online gamming I was EXTREMELLY grateful for the help I got from everyone on both forums. In my very humble opinion, it is counter-productive for the group of you (sucks and the meister) to go at each other's throats. The reason of course is people like me end up eating the shitty end of the stick. More importantly back and forth attacks like this is exactlly what the "bad guys" love to see. It tears down the intergity that you have worked so long and hard to establish. The complete lack of regulation this industry has (online casinos) creats an enviroment that encourages fraud, theft, and abuse...not to mention all the diffrent and confusing T&C's that make it next to impossible for uneducated gambler's to ever get their money. This behavior has created a need for people like you...advocates, people who can make a shit sandwich not taste so bad. The very fact you do it for free speaks volumes on BOTH of your ethic's. Wish list or not, it still goes a long way for the players if and when we do get some sort of satisfaction in the end. Please spare me the tirade of "you don't know the whole story a@#hole...my fu#*!#' feelings were hurt"...A unified front is stronger than a broken front...people like you are the only thing standing in the way of some of these crooks and honest hard working players like me...and right now it would appear that line is getting weaker with every slam, and wisecrack handed out by both sides. Just my 2 cents.................

 

[dominique]

In my very humble opinion, it is counter-productive for the group of you (sucks and the meister) to go at each other's throats.

That is the nature of sucks. Sucks exists to create discord and to insult people. That is it's purpose, and it speaks about the people who frequent it.

The WOL bloke played down the importance of the recent spat between Max/Wol and the Sucks crew.

Yeah. Sucks launched attacks on me at wol. Repeatedly. And on several others also. Using cursewords and dirty vocabulary and bullying and all kinds of unsubstatiated accusations. That is to be expected inside sucks, so one doesn't have to go there if one doesn't like it. But to expect the people who run clean boards to put up with it is unreasonable.

If Sucks didn't have Meister and Deaning and Max and me to bitch about, they would hardly have any content. It's their life's purpose.

And as for Bryan pointing out websites that carry casinos he doesn't approve of - good. More power to him. More people should do so more often. Players should do it all the time.

I still think players should get together and hand out "seals of good housekeeping" type banners to portals that are clean and that stand behind their players. But that should be a player initiative and decision. Get together, scan some portals and hand the banners to ones you approve. It'll cut down on the BS out there.

 

[City Streets]

The following PRESS RELEASE is about the above poster, DOMINIQUE.

After you read it, decide for yourself if she should be throwing stones.

Press Release

The entire GPWA membership was shaken to its core this past weekend when it was discovered that one of its most trusted and high profile members has been attempting to ellicit regular monthly payments from a casino affiliate program for their volunteer work at the GPWA as the affiliate program's Liaison.

GPWA counts among its members many volunteers who act as Liaisons between GPWA members and specific affiliate programs. These Liaisons serve as primary points of communication to the members for the affiliate program, and assist with unresolvable problems other GPWA members may have with the program; they are not authorized by anyone, GPWA or any of its members, to act in any capacity other than this. Volunteers at GPWA are exactly that, however - volunteers. GPWA is not a revenue generating association and, other than a small monthly maintenance and advertising fee charged to the member casinos for their private forums, no one, not even the Manager, earns money for their work at GPWA.

The GPWA Manager, Cynthia Carley, was informed of this member's attempt to ellicit money from them on Thursday afternoon, June 26, by the manager of the affected affiliate program. After some initial investigation, Cynthia presented the situation to the membership for action. As this was discussed by the members this weekend, more and more information came to light that this member has been acting in a number of unauthorized and improper ways, much of it on behalf of, or in the name of, GPWA; some of it also on the behalf of other GPWA members, unbeknownst to them.

The entire GPWA membership wants it to be known that at no time was this member authorized to speak for any member of GPWA, nor for GPWA itself. While this member has done a lot for GPWA, we consider these actions of this member to be a very grievous conflict of interest and breach of ethics not representative of GPWA's ideals. After thorough discussion by the members a vote of the general membership was taken and, decided by the 3 to 1 majority vote in favor of, the member has now been permanently expelled from GPWA.

We want to thank the Affiliate Manager who brought this to our attention and sincerely appreciate the courage and trust it took for him to do this. One of GPWA's primary goals is to establish trustworty and productive working relationships with casino affiliate programs and we would encourage any casino affiliate program employee that experiences any questionable activity on the part of a GPWA member to bring it to the attention of the GPWA Manager.

 

[dominique]

Ah yes, I am sure the current owners of the GPWA are going to be real happy to see this rear it's ugly head!

This occurred actually because I dared meet with IGC members in Montreal a little over a year ago without inviting Ms. Carley. This apparently stepped on her toes as owner of the GPWA and the day she initiated my "vote" she told me so on the phone. I will never forget that venomous phonecall. I was unaware so much poison could emanate from a receiver.

Yes, I did have a contract with an affiliate program - but it had nothing to do with being a liaison. It was initiated by a manager who was leaving and I was to be available for questions from his replacement. I kept my part of the bargain, the program didn't. I made an angry post. Ms. Carley saw her chance to get my loud mouth out of the GPWA and pounced. It took three days of arguing, and a gag order, and a new vote to get me out. Re."votes" on the GPWA software: they can be set within seconds from the backend. And they were.

Since this happened I have been spending my time at the Casino Affiliate Programs board instead, and witnessed all the major affiliates joining there and Casino Affiliate Programs is now the favored place for programs and affiliates alike. You can look at the Alexa ratings and memeber programs to make up your mind. It outperforms the GPWA by eons. :notworthy

Ms, Carley since sold the GPWA and I am sure the new owner does not like this type of publicity - it was Carley's doing. One of Carley's famous sayings when the Meister, Bryan, left the place in disgust: "don't let the door hit you in the axx". Cute, no?

If you wonder about how I got singled out for such treatment - my big mouth helped a lot, but it is by no means a singular occurrence, as you can read here Old / Expired Link and in many following posts.

I should really be grateful to Ms. Carley - I used to think the GPWA was the end all on the net as far as affiliate boards went. I was so wrong and I would have never known how deceiving the news in there were. There were no player considerations ever. Everything revolved around affiliate profit and nothing about whether casinos were decent for players. This is what made Bryan leave I think (correct me if I am wrong) and it is something that as novice affiliate doesn't even cross your mind if no one bothers to educate you.

I should also be grateful to Ms, Carley because the above press release put me and my site in the spot light and it has been good to me. I now visit good boards such as this one and I educate myself.

The above press release evokes almost fond memories by now - what a trip that was!

 

[dominique]

Oh, and what concerns this:

We want to thank the Affiliate Manager who brought this to our attention and sincerely appreciate the courage and trust it took for him to do this.

Funny! This whole thing was carefully planned to happen during a weekend with attached holidays, so the affiliate manager above was confronted with a done deal when he returned on Wednesday. The program thought it best to stay out of an affiliate disagreement. They should never have been put in such a position. Whatever they would have said would have created a hostile camp for them.

Nobody ever said Ms. Carley didn't plan her attacks well. Even to the point of the above press release going out to managers within a COUPLE OF MINUTES after closing the "vote".

 

[bethug]

dom, you have nothing to prove, You go over there to thee forum and get curse out, quick and a hurry. They gang up on you. Promoting there crap.

Cindy must of hit it big at a casino, they told her she can only get installments, so she wants to pull casino that pay installements, but keep casinos that slow play( grandbanks, blackwilliow, and promote destination poker. I hope when she get her money she will pay the hotel bill, she didnt pay.

 

[jpm]

Well to me, City Street's posting means absolutely nothing, since it doesn't identify who this person was that they expelled. Dominique could have quite easily have said that it doesn't refer to her.

I give her credit for owning up to it and explaining the circumstances.

 

[dominique]

City Street committed a big booboo by putting my name to it.

Ms. Carley was very careful not to - to avoid being sued for libel, slander and character asassination.

The original URL it was posted on had "dom" in it, and that was promptly corrected when I pointed it out elsewhere.

Hmmm.... naw. I really could care less at this point. Back then though I did seriously consider sueing. Just that my lawyer said that there was little to gain by it - except perhaps ownership of GPWA. While that might have been poetic justice, there was no monetary value to be had and hey - I never thought of the GPWA as a "thing", it's a bunch of people. It was a lot of nice people, too. Most of them are not GPWA anymore though.

When I attended an evening with Fortune Lounge and the ponies in London there were a number of webmasters there (Bryan too) and one of the Fortune guys asked Spearmaster: "Are these the people from GPWA?" He looked around and grinned and said: "No, that's more like the the ex-GPWA people".

Carley always installed a cult type attitude there: Us against the world!

That is why you can't see the majority of the conversations there, only what they want you to see. It's all so secretive and private and the worst thing on earth is someone who is not a current member reading it. LOL! There is no such thing as an organization communicating in secrecy on the net. Everything leaks.

Why is it so terrible that it leaks? Beats me. Casino Affiliate Programs has most of the discussions in the open like here, and anyone can come in and say what they like. Seems a lot more reasonable to me.

GPWA didn't want the managers to see what we were saying. That makes little sense. If they don't see it they sure can't fix it.

 

[rowmare]

City Street, in my opinion, posting that old b.s. about Dom showed less class than a hooker on nickel night. Why don't you close your mouth before someone sticks an apple in it?

You are a classic case of cranium-rectal inversion.

I have been to that 'sucks' forum. I see that neither Dom nor the Meister are posters there, yet there are some very distaseful, adolescent attacks towards them going on.

Keep up the good work -- the worse y'all behave, the better the rest of us look

 

[City Streets]

I have been to that 'sucks' forum. I see that neither Dom nor the Meister are posters there

Au Contrare... rowmare... Do a search on sucks, and you will indeed find a post from the Casinomeister on there.

City Street, in my opinion, posting that old b.s. about Dom showed less class than a hooker on nickel night. Why don't you close your mouth before someone sticks an apple in it?... You are a classic case of cranium-rectal inversion.

A rather silly way to express yourself, rowmare. Unless you are about 14 years old.

And you may consider the press release 'b.s.' but unless you were privy to what happened in this situation, you have no grounds on which to make that statement.

Some words of wisdom for you, rowmare....

Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain
- and most fools do. -- Dale Carnegie

 

[dominique]

A rather silly way to express yourself, rowmare. Unless you are about 14 years old.

When you have to throw insults instead of presenting facts, you know you're not doing very well.

 

[rowmare]

When you have to throw insults instead of presenting facts, you know you're not doing very well.

Bethug's inquirey has merit, and should be dealt with in an up-front and honest manner. There was just no need to be offensive, however your response does show what makes you tick.

I stand by my post. Although I feel a little embarassed by my outburst, unsollicited attacks make me sick, and there was no reason for you to do so in this thread.

I appologize to the other meister forum members for being exposed to my temper tantrum, though. I'm not terribly proud of giving in to my baser instincts in this way.

 

[jpm]

And you may consider the press release 'b.s.' but unless you were privy to what happened in this situation, you have no grounds on which to make that statement.

Actually, I'm the one who said it was b.s., and it still is b.s. since it does not identify who the person is that is referred to in the so-called press release. If it were such a block buster of a scandal, they should have named the perpetrator so that everyone would know to be wary of them, etc. By not doing so tells me there was some kind of behind the scenes goings on that reinforce what Dominique has posted here.

 

[dominique]

And you may consider the press release 'b.s.' but unless you were privy to what happened in this situation, you have no grounds on which to make that statement.

Yep, press releases about anonymous people and anonymous posts by those who are "privvy to what happened in this situation".

I don't know who you are (although I have a wild guess) but there were only 3 people "privvy to what happened in this situation". One is Ms. Carley and the other two are very unlikely to be posting here. Hence you are not one of them.

 

[City Streets]

Annette,

I made no comments on the accusations posted in the press release. I posted it as a reference for others to consider, as to your credibility.

You posted negative comments and opinions about some issues with another portal. I just wanted to inform everyone of the reason for your ongoing crusade against certain people and websites, and allow for them to decide for themselves if what you posted is to be believed.

I personally feel you have a vendetta that makes your opinions about this matter rather jaded and non factual.

 

[dominique]

DEAR ANONYMOUS

I have been advocating a player group to hand out seals of approval to sites that advertise only clean casinos for a long time. You can find me posting about it all over the place.

It has zero to do with any press releases or any other crap you may wish to drag up.

Perhaps you would like to identify yourself - I am not afraid to stand behind my words.

How come you are?

 

[rowmare]

...
I personally feel you have a vendetta that makes your opinions about this matter rather jaded and non factual.

The facts are that the vendetta is operating in the other direction, City Streets, from you outward. And I also can guess who you are, just based on your behaviour in this one thread.

I have noticed that the things you accuse other people of are actually things you have done or do. This is consistent on your part.

This behaviour is classic transference, and this, among other things you have said or do, are classic signs of more than one personality disorder.

If you like, I'll go on and list all the signs, but I don't care to waste any more time on you.

It is to other's misery when they catch your attention and fall victim to your dillusions. I can only regret that there are yet some people left who still feel you have any credibility at all, and actually listen to and believe your misguided tirades.

For the rest of us, the best thing we can do is to ignore this person: When these people no longer get the attention they crave, they stop getting the payback they're seeking, and eventually they move on to new targets and conflicts.