islamist extremists

[dionysus]

true, why compare...we've enough of our own primitive savages to berate

 

[dionysus]

Well, I disagree with any act of violence against people for their beliefs whether politically or religiously or their choice of lifestyles. But if we're talking about domestic violence, I can stay out of my neighbour's living room. I can avoid most gang violence by my choice of areas to frequent and when I frequent them. I can avoid bar room brawls and other confrontations quite easily but I can't just hide in my house for fear that someone might blow up a random subway station because someone I don't even know drew a cartoon.

Terrorism is a cowardly way to wage a war without directly confronting an enemy. It targets innocent people most of which probably don't care what your religious beliefs are. Religious fanatics who perform acts of terror have no desire for peace. They have one belief and one goal for anyone who doesn't share it. Convert or die. They're not the first fanatics to follow this religious path. People have suffered this at the hands of other religions for centuries.

Lol, it can happen in ANYone's living room, not just other people's. You can get mugged in broad daylight on a popular busy street. You don't have to start a bar room brawl or be the initial target to have it leak out onto the street. True, you can't just hide in the house for fear of a blown up subway. God knows any local with an axe to grind and a tweak in his head can strap on a bomb.

 

[dinahbrand]

This is why I don't belong to any religion and refused to raise my child in one. He turned out so much better by not being fed a weekly dose of hating some other group.

 

[dionysus]

I love my aunt; something to the effect of: God, mohammed, or a great big giant giraffe in the sky; as long as you're good people, good enough for me

 

[skiny]

Lol, it can happen in ANYone's living room, not just other people's. You can get mugged in broad daylight on a popular busy street. You don't have to start a bar room brawl or be the initial target to have it leak out onto the street. True, you can't just hide in the house for fear of a blown up subway. God knows any local with an axe to grind and a tweak in his head can strap on a bomb.

You're actually comparing fanatical religious acts of terrorism to a mugging?

 

[dionysus]

it's comparable to the bar fight you brought up

 

[deb1956]

Here Here!!!!

I could not agree with you more. There are those of who care, who vote, who really look at the issues unlike any of our government making those decisions for us. But until Americans stand up and stop being a bunch of panty waist and say enough it will continue. We give Egypt $280 billion each year and they didn't have the balls to back us after the embassy incident in Libya. And as for those burning our flags etc. Take the $$$$$ away and we will see how things change. Also, when a barrel of oil goes up so does an pound of wheat. We are the main exporter of food in the world. Let em strave, they will rethink.

I used to be sympathic etc. until I was on a plane on 911 and from that day on, respect is earned not given.

 

[deb1956]

religion is political, faith is internal

This is why I don't belong to any religion and refused to raise my child in one. He turned out so much better by not being fed a weekly dose of hating some other group.

I was reared in church and so my children, we were not taught to hate anyone....If you can teach ur children how to separate the two that's the difference. But there are just some people who tact doesn't connect. Sometimes u have to build a fire under a jackass to get him to move.

 

[dionysus]

So..starve a nation because of a handful of zealots? Yeah, that's practical. Let's burn ALL chruches for a few zealots, discontinue the education system because of the few illiterates, and gas all the jaywalkers for the handful of rapists. Awesome idea

 

[Balthazar]

So..starve a nation because of a handful of zealots?

They are starving themselves. Giving them money is encouraging the system in which they are starving. By your logic, if I don't buy you food, I'm the one starving you. How about no.

 

[dionysus]

By YOUR logic you're penalizing the many for the few. Hey, I heard there was a prominently African American gang attack? Should we round them ALL up, teach 'em a lesson? Some footballer fans rioted at a stadium; let's not let ANYONE in to watch the game. You're targeting a group that you have no knowledge that oh, say, wheat is going to. Some protesters in Times Square burnt some flags. Sorry New Yorkers, off to the tanty for the lot of ya

 

[dionysus]

They are starving themselves. Giving them money is encouraging the system in which they are starving. By your logic, if I don't buy you food, I'm the one starving you. How about no.

So, by this logic, since the US owes us (Canada), to about the tune of 90 billion $, we should collect. After all, we're merely encouraging a system in which they cannot support themselves financially. After all, if we let them borrow money, we're enabling their problems. No?

 

[Balthazar]

By YOUR logic you're penalizing the many for the few. Hey, I heard there was a prominently African American gang attack? Should we round them ALL up, teach 'em a lesson? Some footballer fans rioted at a stadium; let's not let ANYONE in to watch the game. You're targeting a group that you have no knowledge that oh, say, wheat is going to. Some protesters in Times Square burnt some flags. Sorry New Yorkers, off to the tanty for the lot of ya

Penalizing? Oh that's right, they are entitled to my tax money. I tend to forget.

 

[dionysus]

Sorry, were you saving it to guarantee prisoners 5 squares a day? Besides, you aren't allocating the taxes, it doesn't work that way. It's put forth into quite a lot of different services we quite likely don't agree with. Saying YOUR taxes fund Muslim regions is probalby quite unlikely, as it could be Bob's who's pro to the idea and his goes there, while YOURS made a an inch chunk of highway or made a $300 hammer.

 

[Nifty29]

I could not agree with you more. There are those of who care, who vote, who really look at the issues unlike any of our government making those decisions for us. But until Americans stand up and stop being a bunch of panty waist and say enough it will continue. We give Egypt $280 billion each year and they didn't have the balls to back us after the embassy incident in Libya. And as for those burning our flags etc. Take the $$$$$ away and we will see how things change. Also, when a barrel of oil goes up so does an pound of wheat. We are the main exporter of food in the world. Let em strave, they will rethink.

I used to be sympathic etc. until I was on a plane on 911 and from that day on, respect is earned not given.

The middle east can live without wheat.

The west cannot live without oil.

What did you want Egypt to do? Turn back time?

IMO both of your arguments are just as extreme as the extremists.

Penalizing? Oh that's right, they are entitled to my tax money. I tend to forget.

What do you mean? Who are "they" and what "tax money" specifically?

 

[Balthazar]

The middle east can live without wheat.

Now I'm glad to hear that. Finally some good news.

The west cannot live without oil.

Then I guess it's a good thing that we, Canadians, sit on the 3rd biggest oil reserve in the world.

What do you mean? Who are "they" and what "tax money" specifically?

"They" in this case were a reference to the middle east in general. The tax money is what the Canadian government takes from my paycheck and uses on said middle east (ie: troops in Afghanistan, food in Egypt, etc).

 

[dinahbrand]

we were not taught to hate anyone....If you can teach ur children how to separate the two that's the difference

I was raised attending church and Sunday school every week. I was lucky to have great parents and some individuals in religion are also great. But the messages sent out by organized religion are toxic and history has proven that. I just knew there was no way I could raise my child to hear such things from any religion.

During the eighties when we were deciding to have a child I witnessed some of the most hateful things said about gay people and AIDS and it came from religious groups. During the eighties and nineties the so called moral majority were just as hateful as these Jihadists. They are still launching attacks against gay people, women, and anyone not a "true American" in their view.

I am thankful to live in a country where they could not legally commit physical violence. I am also thankful to the founding fathers in trying to keep religion and government separate. I feel sorry for any rational people who live in countries ruled by Sharia. They must live in constant fear of the madness around them.

 

[Seventh777]

Anyone ever actually sat down and thought about why 3% of Muslims are extremists?, i`ll give you some pointers............






The Geneva Convention has many protocols, breaking them makes the country responsible liable to war crimes........................

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No, I do not agree with religious fundamentalists, but I disagree with paedophile rape and the use of illegal radioactive products a whole lot more.

 

[Nifty29]

I couldn't give a toss why any Muslim is an extremist.

The people they kill and maim are almost ALWAYS those who are NOT responsible for any "offence against the profit....oops I mean prophet". It's like the next door neighbour killing your dog, and you travelling to another country and killing 10 other dogs belonging to random people in retaliation.

NOTHING that these uneducated cavemen do is justified under ANY circumstances.

IMO bringing things like paedophilia and rape into the conversation is like saying that we have no right to complain about what THEY do because people in OUR country also do horrible things. It really is apples and oranges, and it detracts from the plain fact that these halfwits are happy to blow themselves and thousands of other people up on the say-so of some cleric with an agenda. Ever notice how it is never the clerics or the leaders of the religion that wear the strap-on bombs? Funny thing that eh?

Islamic fundamentalism has nothing to do with religion for those who run the show. It is merely a tool to control the uneducated and mostly poor masses. Saddam Hussein wasn't religious at all, but he sure invoked the "jihad" bullshit whenever it suited him, and I'm sure he is not the only one of his kind. The only way you can usurp and retain any sort of power in Muslim countries (since it is rarely the people's choice) is to be seen as the "defender of the faith", even if you don't really believe most of it. You would have no hope running for office on the platform of "well I'm not really a fan of the whole Islam/Koran thing but I have some great ideas for this country's future".

I know you are passionate about conspiracy theories etc Roy, and I admire that and the information you dig up, but I really don't think this topic has anything to do with cover-ups or government secret plans or the new world order. It is about groups of street thugs hiding behind the koran and using the poorest and most uneducated people in the world to do their dirty work....they don't want everyone to convert to Islam and follow them because Allah is the best god there is or because it will be really good for them, they just want POWER and CONTROL, and the Islamic world has a plethora of "expendable beings" just waiting to help make it happen.

 

[Non_Partisan_77]

Wow! Take it easy. I thought this was meant to be casino/gambling advice site?

 

[harrys99]

NOTHING that these uneducated cavemen do is justified under ANY circumstances.

As far as I am concerned your statement sums this up very concisely.

I would add the adjectives of heathens and barbarians.

 

[harrys99]

Wow! Take it easy. I thought this was meant to be casino/gambling advice site?

This thread is in the Attic section which is defined as An off-topic section where you can post off-topic stuff

 

[skiny]

it's comparable to the bar fight you brought up

My point was I can avoid a mugging most of the time by not wandering down a back alley at 1 am.

Most people can't avoid a random bombing by some terrorist group by not getting on a subway and heading off to work.

 

[dionysus]

Dang, wish someone told the muggers they're supposed to stick to back alleys. I've been mugged on a bus, on the street during the day and on a cruise ship. Silly muggers; must not have gotten the memos

 

[skiny]

Dang, wish someone told the muggers they're supposed to stick to back alleys. I've been mugged on a bus, on the street during the day and on a cruise ship. Silly muggers; must not have gotten the memos

I've never been mugged. I've never been in a fight in a bar. I've never been in any kind of physical confrontation in my home. Maybe now that you've moved you'll stop getting beaten up and having your wallet stolen.

Best of luck to you.

 

[dionysus]

I've never been mugged. I've never been in a fight in a bar. I've never been in any kind of physical confrontation in my home. Maybe now that you've moved you'll stop getting beaten up and having your wallet stolen.

Best of luck to you.

A: I DO move often; work does that. It's fun to leave the house too
B: a mugging doesn't require a beating
C: never said it was wallet

But thank you for your ill-informed concern

 

[Seventh777]

I couldn't give a toss why any Muslim is an extremist.

The people they kill and maim are almost ALWAYS those who are NOT responsible for any "offence against the profit....oops I mean prophet". It's like the next door neighbour killing your dog, and you travelling to another country and killing 10 other dogs belonging to random people in retaliation.

NOTHING that these uneducated cavemen do is justified under ANY circumstances.

IMO bringing things like paedophilia and rape into the conversation is like saying that we have no right to complain about what THEY do because people in OUR country also do horrible things. It really is apples and oranges, and it detracts from the plain fact that these halfwits are happy to blow themselves and thousands of other people up on the say-so of some cleric with an agenda. Ever notice how it is never the clerics or the leaders of the religion that wear the strap-on bombs? Funny thing that eh?

Islamic fundamentalism has nothing to do with religion for those who run the show. It is merely a tool to control the uneducated and mostly poor masses. Saddam Hussein wasn't religious at all, but he sure invoked the "jihad" bullshit whenever it suited him, and I'm sure he is not the only one of his kind. The only way you can usurp and retain any sort of power in Muslim countries (since it is rarely the people's choice) is to be seen as the "defender of the faith", even if you don't really believe most of it. You would have no hope running for office on the platform of "well I'm not really a fan of the whole Islam/Koran thing but I have some great ideas for this country's future".

I know you are passionate about conspiracy theories etc Roy, and I admire that and the information you dig up, but I really don't think this topic has anything to do with cover-ups or government secret plans or the new world order. It is about groups of street thugs hiding behind the koran and using the poorest and most uneducated people in the world to do their dirty work....they don't want everyone to convert to Islam and follow them because Allah is the best god there is or because it will be really good for them, they just want POWER and CONTROL, and the Islamic world has a plethora of "expendable beings" just waiting to help make it happen.

I hear what you`re saying and to a certain degree agree with everything you`re saying, so, here we have a fringe selection of Muslims classed as religious extremists who by all intent and purposes swear by the Koran and all it stands for, a quick Google of Jihads and innocent children/woman not being harmed will verify this aspect, so in doing this they are going against the Koran and what it stands for, is there any conclusive evidence out there of these bombers in action?, their last main event using suicide bombers has a very conflicting story that was reported in the papers and a broadcast from Radio 5 stating some of the bombers were shot around docklands by police marksmen (how they survived a 100lb bomb strapped to their bodies is beyond me).

There are witness statements regarding London 7/7/2005 stating the explosion they witnessed came from beneath the train, there are pictures out there also to verify this, I could supply many links but this time i`ll keep it simple, here we have a guy working for Police Intel Analyst a job he held for 12 years....

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A man whose job it was to analyse evidence and whilst doing his job, he discovered evidence of a staged event, and duly got sacked, a man damn good at his job, a man whose supervisors most certainly would, in normal circumstances, use his findings as a forerunner to begin an investigation, after all isn`t that what his job`s name entails?.

I admire and have great respect for people like Tony Farrell, he knew at the very least that going with his findings would cost him his job, but his convictions and inner beliefs led him to doing the right thing.

I`ve watched many videos regarding 7/7 and researched a lot of angles, including FOIA related documents, and once again the only real evidence available does not endorse the official story but conflicts with it.

I`m not sure whether suicide bombers exist or not, if there was some unedited video footage out there showing it, then I would believe it, one aspect I am sure of though is - If these suicide bombers are so inspired by their faith and the Koran that they would give up their lives for it, why do they go against one of the key important issues of a Jihad - Killing innocent woman and children.

These cave dwelling uneducated savages you speak of, are the same ones that somehow managed to learn how to pilot commercial jet-liners and perform top gun type flight manoeuvres in doing so?, flight manoeuvres that seasoned pilots with 1000`s of hours of flight experience could not achieve, the most outrageous being the flight path of the plane that hit the Pentagon and it`s alleged pilot Hani Hanjour - His assessment.........

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Your statement about killing a dog is a true representation of exactly what is happening here, let`s say for arguments sake suicide bombers/pilots actually exist, does a few people from any relative country committing acts of terrorism warrant a war being declared against their whole country?.

Saddam Hussein - You mention Jihads, the war against Iraq was mainly due to Iraqi soldiers storming a nursery, taking babies out of incubators, and leaving them on the floor to die, as depicted by a *Nurse* working there, a nurse that when researched turned out to be the Kuwait`s ambassador`s daughter who wasn`t even in the country but in London at the time of this event, but ofc when people see this kind of atrocity being committed it induces an inner rage........

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However, after doing some research it turns out these photos were not from Syria at all, but pictures from Iraq in 2003.......

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All I really see in this thread is hatred fuelled by what people believe to be the truth as they have seen it on T.V.

Cheers,

Roy.

 

[skiny]

B: a mugging doesn't require a beating

It does if they want to take anything from me.

 

[dionysus]

Well then that's a self defense or assault change defending who wins in court

 

[Simmo!]

We've got people reporting this thread as being derailed by personal disagreements. Not read it all but just a friendly note to stick to the topic and keep the peace please

 

[skiny]

I find alien visitation theories entertaining, world domination theories rather boring.

What amazes me is how quickly people can be to dismiss everything that's seen in the mainstream media yet believe almost anything that refutes it. All governments have an agenda just as all conspiracy theorists do. I accept the fact that the mainstream news is well edited and biased and I know you'll only see or hear what they want you to. I also know that any video or article written by a conspiracy theorist will be just as well edited and anything that refutes that theory will be written out of the story as well.

That being said, there are some things that simply cannot be denied. Religious extremism is and always has been real. Many people have killed and died for their cause regardless of how misguided that cause may be. Countless pointless deaths in the name of peace understanding and forgiveness. The human species will never be unified because they are incapable of celebrating their differences. Colour against colour, religion against atheism, east against west, Liberal against Conservative. Shoot the president, bomb the subway, stab the emperor, gas the Jews. Even if 590 billion people were happy and content the other 5 billion would be trying to kill them for one reason or another. It's not a conspiracy, it's humanity. And a homicidal psychosis doesn't require a religious belief... but it helps.

 

[dionysus]

I see people often write "I'm amazed by the stupidity of people". I'm never amazed by the stupidity of people.. There will always be someone who will click the button that says DO NOT touch, start a fight for the sake of the fight and not the argument, preach love but hate someone who doesn't follow their view of love, and battle prejudice with prejudice and extremism with extremism while blaming the other person and not seeing the hypocrisy. Diversity does make the world an interesting place and a scary one to boot.

 

[Nifty29]

I find alien visitation theories entertaining, world domination theories rather boring.

What amazes me is how quickly people can be to dismiss everything that's seen in the mainstream media yet believe almost anything that refutes it. All governments have an agenda just as all conspiracy theorists do. I accept the fact that the mainstream news is well edited and biased and I know you'll only see or hear what they want you to. I also know that any video or article written by a conspiracy theorist will be just as well edited and anything that refutes that theory will be written out of the story as well.

That being said, there are some things that simply cannot be denied. Religious extremism is and always has been real. Many people have killed and died for their cause regardless of how misguided that cause may be. Countless pointless deaths in the name of peace understanding and forgiveness. The human species will never be unified because they are incapable of celebrating their differences. Colour against colour, religion against atheism, east against west, Liberal against Conservative. Shoot the president, bomb the subway, stab the emperor, gas the Jews. Even if 590 billion people were happy and content the other 5 billion would be trying to kill them for one reason or another. It's not a conspiracy, it's humanity. And a homicidal psychosis doesn't require a religious belief... but it helps.

Excellent point which I made in the other thread, but you expressed it better.

CT's take articles and stories published on.CT websites as gospel, but the mainstream media is a pack of lies. You're absolutely right to point out that the CT websites are just as carefully edited and headlined, and have just the same copious amounts of bias and agenda.

Another thing......ever notice how almost all of the "experts" on CT sites are "lone wolves" I.e. they're pretty much the only ones who see things that particular way.....they seldom have large numbers of peers supporting their POV and scientific conclusions. In fact, most of the CT scientific evidence is refuted by the scientific community at large (e.g. 9/11)......not just government hacks on the payroll. Fair enough if they were, but only a small % of scientists fit this category and the rest (I.e. scientists in general) are renowned for being resistant to pressure from ANY quarter and tend to give their unbiased scientific view........so where are the thousands of scientists supporting the 9/11 CT? Or do the US government have 100,000+ scientists on the payroll? It's just silly.

The "lone wolves" are usually well known for being CT themselves and can see the VERY lucrative speaking and report circuit that comes along with "revealing the truth".

I still can't believe that Roy is suggesting that the London attacks were a government conspiracy. I'm just gobsmacked...and all of it seems based on one guy making a judgement call about how it all went down, and some news reports on ONE radio station. I can listen to the radio for 12 hours and find errors and misreports in their news bulletins....every media outlet is competing with each other, especially in fluid and hectic emergencies like that, and tend to shoot first and ask questions later.

Tony Farrell didn't go public because of s sense of responsibility to uncover the truth and do the right thing......he did it because he got sacked and was pissed about it, and he knew full well that he could make some money. Do you know how crappy police pay is? He probably made more out of this CT stuff than his 12 yr career put together. Did you consider that he got sacked because he was WRONG? You can't get sacked from the Met just because senior officers don't like what you say......there has to be dereliction of duty or some kind of incompetence.

Lastly, is Roy REALLY saying that suicide bombers don't exist because nobody made a home movie of them doing it? How do you suggest one goes about filming one in action? Did the CT community consider that the person filming would have to be quite close, and would almost certainly die in the process? I really think this is tin foil hat stuff right here. If this is the kind of stuff CTs hang their hat on, then it is not surprising that the vast majority write them off as cranks........remember, there are still flat-earthers around. (Not saying Roy is a crank BTW)

 

[Balthazar]

Pakistani Minister Offers Bounty Over Anti-Islam Video

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — A Pakistani cabinet minister offered a $100,000 reward on Saturday for the death of the person behind the anti-Islam video made in the United States that has roiled Muslims around the world, even suggesting that Taliban and Al Qaeda militants could carry out the killing.

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[Non_Partisan_77]

I just have one question.

Why did the US administration invade Iraq in 2003?

 

[Balthazar]

Worth watching.

 

[Markus_Demon]

how it come you are interested about islamist extremists?

Wwhy you not dare to post about Christian and JEwish, Hindu extremists?!

 

[Nifty29]

Worth watching.



Great video. Thanks for that.

 

[Seventh777]

Firstly @ Nifty, my beliefs on what happened on 7/7 are not entirely down to what an ex cop said, but once again I see responses that cover everything but him telling the truth, anyhow I haven`t had much time to research the latest event that has thrown the Muslim world into turmoil, a quick browse through some relative sites produced this, if you are to impatient to watch the whole video FF to around 12 minutes....................



Cheers,

Roy.

P.S.

Are all these high ranking figures writing books and telling lies to ensure bigger retail returns?, also there are many forms of the truth movement covering all aspects, including architects and structural engineers, pilots, etc, proving behind doubt that this is far behind lone wolf status, and once again an aspect completely ignored, overlooked, not addressed, at all..

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P.P.S.

Go to the guy`s youtube page for the relative links he talks about.

P.P.P.S.

I also noticed that my many replies to this thread that give irrefutable proof of lies and deceit, especially what caused Desert Storm - The Kuwait`s ambassador`s daughter telling blatant lies regarding babies, have been ignored, why is that?


P.P.P.P.S.

Once again, and as I have previously stated I do not agree with religious extremists and their behaviour, but, amongst all the hatred aimed towards them, it comes to no surprise to me that a company with contracts to all forms of the U.S. Military forces is behind this video, and judging by the responses this event has caused their objective has been well and truly reached.

 

[Seventh777]

As with any aspect that is fuelled by lies, sooner or later a slip of the tongue reveals the true cause....................




Ah, a missile that will explain how it penetrated all those rings of the Pentagon, unlike ofc a fibre glass and aluminium plane nose.

While we`re at the Pentagon, can anyone contest this guy`s analysis?..................

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[Seventh777]

What really happened to the 4th plane that day Donny?.............................




Ah, it was shot down, thanks Donny.

 

[Seventh777]

Come on Dubya, tell us how to prevent people escaping to the roof, people that would have seen what really happened?.................................





Ah, that will do it, well done.

 

[The Dude]

As mentioned before, please try to keep the thread on topic. The original topic was about Islamist extremists which was prompted by the recent rioting in the middle east after the "Innocence of Islam" was discovered by Muslim extremists. This has nothing to do with conspiracy theories of 9/11. Please keep that subject to a minimum unless of course it has to do with the recent rioting. Thanks!

 

[The Dude]

Back on track - a word to Islamic rioters:

[video=liveleak;084_1348151389]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=084_1348151389[/video]

 

[max1mike]

As mentioned before, please try to keep the thread on topic. The original topic was about Islamist extremists which was prompted by the recent rioting in the middle east after the "Innocence of Islam" was discovered by Muslim extremists. This has nothing to do with conspiracy theories of 9/11. Please keep that subject to a minimum unless of course it has to do with the recent rioting. Thanks!

actually, the original topic was more about most Americans not having a clue as to what is going on in the middle east, nor caring that yet again some nutbags kill a few more Americans in the name of allah. to most people herein the united states , killing of US citizens only matters when it happens on US soil.

 

[skiny]

actually, the original topic was more about most Americans not having a clue as to what is going on in the middle east, nor caring that yet again some nutbags kill a few more Americans in the name of allah. to most people here, killing of US citizens only matters when it happens on US soil.

I find it kind of offensive for you to suggest that to most people here, killing anyone anywhere doesn't matter.

 

[dionysus]

perhaps he was referring to here, as the US (since he's from the US), rather than here, casinomeister, in which he wasn't suggesting you, a Canadian and CM member.

 

[max1mike]

perhaps he was referring to here, as the US (since he's from the US), rather than here, casinomeister, in which he wasn't suggesting you, a Canadian and CM member.

thank you...sheesh.

 

[skiny]

thank you...sheesh.

My apologies. I am no longer offended.

 

[max1mike]

My apologies. I am no longer offended.

thank you. nor am I.