intercasino's roulette random???????

[markey111]

intercasino roulette is a random number generator ? pull the other one, I have never seen such a rigged roulette in my life. picture this....
my chips at the table $957 all numbers covered except 22, 25, 36 and 8, 11, 21, 24 half covered (split) with a total stake value of $53 per spin. In the space of 25 spins 36 came out 6 times (two doubles) 22 came out 5 times (two doubles) 25 came out 5 times and once each for 8, 21,24 (All to exclamations of amazement from other players in chat) most of these numbers can be seen on a screen shot I took with my digi cam.( I could not believe what I was watching on the screen) Coinsidence.....I think not!

 

[maxfalcon]

most of these numbers can be seen on a screen shot I took with my digi cam.

Could you please post your screen shot?

 

[sirius]

http://www.faircasinos.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1577#1577
Here are the InterCasino roulette screenshots

 

[bethug]

i dont mess with intercasino or any wagerlogic roulette. I seen your screen shot and i believe you , cause the same thing happen over and over to me about two years ago.

 

[dirk_dangerous]

i dont mess with intercasino or any wagerlogic roulette. I seen your screen shot and i believe you , cause the same thing happen over and over to me about two years ago.

I personally believe that Cryptologic software is rigged. Why not contact the Wizard or Gamemaster and send them screen shots of what happened.

You should also contact Intercasino and ask for your play logs (they won't give them, but you will have their denial on record.

 

[caruso]

He doesn't need to request logs, he can just click on the log viewer.

 

[Tester]

1) We wait for the logs.

2) Given the details we heard, the probability is:
3.49207E-12 or 1/286,363,360,030

Please remember that there were lots of sessions in InterCasino, and lots of things to look for. So one should multiply the number above in many tousands (maybe millions). But there is no clear cut formula for that.

But even after multiplying in how much you want for the sake of safety, the case as presented can never occur in a fair game

details for the calculation below:

my chips at the table $957 all numbers covered except 22, 25, 36 and 8, 11, 21, 24 half covered (split) with a total stake value of $53 per spin. In the space of 25 spins 36 came out 6 times (two doubles) 22 came out 5 times (two doubles) 25 came out 5 times and once each for 8, 21,24 (All to exclamations of amazement from other players in chat) most of these numbers can be seen on a screen shot I took with my digi cam.( I could not believe what I was watching on the screen) Coinsidence.....I think not!

bottom line:

31 numbers fully covered.
3 numbers half covered
3 numbers not covered.

25 spins. 6 times covered numbers. 3 times half covered. 16 times uncovered numbers.

the probability for 16 out of of 25 spins to fall on the 3 uncovered numbers is
binom(25,16,3/37
(and in Excel=BINOMDIST(9,25,34/37,1)).

One can also calculate the half covered numbers, but the probability will be higher (i.e. more probable), and the calculation will be less eeasy since there are 8 not completely covered numbers in the picture here Link Removed ( Old/Invalid) )

 

[hhcfreebie]

1) We wait for the logs.

2) Given the details we heard, the probability is:
3.49207E-12 or 1/286,363,360,030

bottom line:

31 numbers fully covered.
3 numbers half covered
3 numbers not covered.

I got the exact same number using basic probability formula. This is the chance to have not-covered number come out 16 times or more out of 25 trials.
It's time for inter casino to come up with some explainations.

 

[DeMango]

Truely Amazing figures, hope to see the logs out in the open.

 

[caruso]

If that one in three hundred billion figure is correct, then it'll be proof - against my own opinion - that Cryptologic is rigged.

 

[hhcfreebie]

Any progress on getting the play log?

 

[gfkostas]

Logs????? That can't be right and i have always trusted Cryptologic.Someone from InterCasino should come here and explain the situation.Am mystified

 

[bethug]

gfkostas, there is no explaition but straight out fixed. That why i dont play there as much, barract is fixed too. I said this over two years ago.

I will stick to the safe rtg casinos and casino on net and casino 356 for now

 

[DeMango]

Since I haven't seen any logs which can be pulled up by the player, I will have to conclude all this is false. I will gladly eat these words but it doesn't take but a moment to cut and paste the logs to this forum. The silence since several posters have asked is deafening!

 

[hhcfreebie]

There is still the screen shot. Some how the link is disabled in this thread but you can still use copy/past to see the picture.
On the screen shot, I see 7 of the uncovered number showing within 15 spins. In this case, it would be 8.25027e-5, or 1 in 12,121 to have 7 or more uncovered numbers showing within 15 spins. Although it's still very unlikely, it's within the possible range. It's more common than royal flush btw.

 

[gfkostas]

Since I haven't seen any logs which can be pulled up by the player, I will have to conclude all this is false. I will gladly eat these words but it doesn't take but a moment to cut and paste the logs to this forum. The silence since several posters have asked is deafening!

Yeah where are the bloody logs??

 

[Tester]

Sirius?

Sirius, I guess you have a contact wiht this guy.

Maybe you can get him extracting the logs?

 

[sirius]

He posted this message about Intercasino on a few forums at the same time, including mine. He didn't know about the log viewer in the software but I explained to him how to access the logs. The log viewer is known to be a bit buggy (in blackjack at least) so I've now advised him to also get a copy from Intercasino to make sure it is correct. I haven't heard from him recently though and maybe he hasn't checked the boards in the last few days.

 

[markey111]

re logs

I deleted intercasino from my computer in disgust, when I was told about the log viewer and re installed, the log viewer was blank. All I can get from the site are my deposits. I have asked intercasino for my logs for the relevent dates and i am awaiting their reply.

 

[sirius]

The main assertion about the uncovered numbers appearing 16 times in 25 spins is unlikely to the point of being impossible (many billions to one chance- =1/BINOMDIST(9,25,34/37,1) = 286363000000 > 286 billion).

If you go by what is seen on the screenshot, the uncovered numbers showed up 7 times out of 15. It is probably not true that in the other 10 spins either side of the time of the screenshots, that the uncovered numbers showed up 9 times out of 10 (to make 16 out of 25) so maybe what was stated before wasn't accurate.

The formula for this in Excel: =1/BINOMDIST(8,15,34/37,1) = 12120.82 so the odds are unlikely but not very unusual given the number of spins of roulette happening at this casino and something similar is sure to happen there quite regularly (probably about once per week). It is not something that a player should expect to happen, though.

markey111 at the moment is trying to get Intercasino to confirm the play logs so we know exactly what happened.

 

[halix]

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[markey111]

no reply yet ..so much for them replying to customers in 24 hrs
AND I actually got an email asking me to vote for them in return for a prize.....if that aint rigging i dont know what is yes intercasino i just might.

 

[gfkostas]

Their support is very slow. No.1 casino on the net? Nahhh not likely

 

[markey111]

logs

got the logs but how do I open them ...just keep getting 'page cannot be displayed' message. do i need to have intercasino installed?

 

[sirius]

Markey posted a text copy of the email he received from Intercasino with the logs. I think it has links to the detailed logs in the actual email but not in the copied version. I think it requires Excel or equivalent to view the detailed logs and he may not have it installed. I'm still waiting for him to get back to me about it.

I tried formatting the logs from the email and posted it in an HTML table in the forum (I'm not sure which entries correspond to the roulette results though). You can view it here:
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[DeMango]

I'm sorry but those logs do nothing for me. We need bets made vs results.

 

[markey111]

re

I quite agree but the logs will not open.
as far as betts go my total for that day were $20,047 result $0

 

[largeeyes]

With intercasino, all you have to do is click on log viewer, select the session, and then details. It should ALL be there. I smell something fishy.

 

[DeMango]

Correct largeeyes. Even at WillHill I could check individual disasters months into the past! Sometimes you didn't want to look ....(same software)

 

[sirius]

Markey, I think you should try to get the logs from Cryptologic again. They must know that the links they gave you aren't working. Cryptologic store the log files online and when they are asked to supply the log files, they usually supply the logs on a spreadsheet with links to the full details for each session. Cryptologic stores a lot of strange technical and further information online such as who else is in the chatroom and what they say etc. The problem is the links supplied to Markey111 don't work.

The log viewer files that you can view from the software are stored in the casino installation directory (in an encrypted file) but he has since uninstalled and reinstalled so the original log files he had are no longer there.

 

[sirius]

The logs are finally in!

Link Removed ( Old/Invalid) . Markey111 used those numbers shown in the screenshot for exactly 49 spins. The spins in the screenshot shows the worse run.

 

[Tester]

If I read that correctly, there is no extreme case here. i.e. the probability for that is not in the billions.

I hope I understood correctly.

Link Removed ( Old/Invalid) . Markey111 used those numbers shown in the screenshot for exactly 49 spins. The spins in the screenshot shows the worse run.

 

[mac_user]

Intercasino Roulette

Here was my last roulette session at Intercasino about a year and a half ago:

No. of Spins
34

Numbers Bet Each Spin
7 through 36
(81% of table)

Result
16 wins, 18 losses (won 47%, lost 53%)


I will not be playing there again.

 

[scrollock]

due to cryptologics new introduction of payment by cheques and some extremly high WR i have racked on some accounts, i decided to go for a once and for all big bet on roulette on 5 my accounts, if won, grind my way through the WR, if i lost never play there again.

my favourite no. for roulette is zero

i played it 4 times, 32 came out 3 times

on my last go, i changed to 32

i dont think i need to tell anyone what number came out.

obviously my sample of spins cant prove anything, as the odds were well against me hitting my number anyway, the thing i did find worrying, was the close calls.

anyway this has just reminded me of something i need to start a thread about

 

[mac_user]

Although my experience is limited, I have sometimes gotten the feeling about online games, as well as video poker games in land-based casinos, that the results are interactive. In otherwords, the program adjusts to your style of play, sometimes allowing you to win a little in the beginning only to set you up for a bigger loss at the end. Of course, I can't prove this, but the risk of software based games is that they can very easily be rigged without the player knowing it.

 

[johnsteed]

I HATE InterCasino BlackJack!!!

The worst game of BlackJack that I've ever played would have to be at InterCasino. I've made 4 seperate deposits (all with a 3 month gap between each deposit) of $100. Playing multihand BJ using a system of starting off with $1 (small wages, build and divide into two hands on wins in succession), I believe I've been out of the game each time within 20-30 minutes. I played there two weeks ago (I've officially given up on PlayTech because I believe every bonus credited has a cap on how much you can win... and they sure throw them at the players because of all of the losing...), and I gave them a try because of the high praise given to them from this portal amongst others, and I still can't understand why! I couldn't build on anything because I never made it past two wins in a row over that deposit of $100. I wasn't too pleased, and by the time I made it down to the $60 range, I knew that it was impossible to win. If anybody wins at BJ there, let me know. I generally assume that when players sit on 20's and the dealer shows a 6, the player wins (at an astonomical rate), but InterCasino and Global Player dealers prove otherwise... at an alarming rate I might add. I used to do awesome at BJ at online casino's, and now, kiss that credit good-bye. I went from being Babe Ruth to Kevin Mass in the span of a year. And PlayTech, eeeeekkk!!! Maybe I should start another portal (or just go to baseballprimer).

 

[Tdoggy]

not a big fan

I usually take Inter up on their monthly offer. But I will not play with real money and no bonus there. I don't like how there Black Jack is either. I usually don't make any profit. Very tough to. I wonder what is going on sometimes to. Anybody ever win big at Inter B.J.????

 

[Macgyver]

The worst game of BlackJack that I've ever played would have to be at InterCasino.

If anybody wins at BJ there, let me know. I generally assume that when players sit on 20's and the dealer shows a 6, the player wins (at an astonomical rate), but InterCasino and Global Player dealers prove otherwise... at an alarming rate I might add.

I withdrew a little under $900 off a $100 deposit last month, playing single player, single hand blackjack at Intercasino. Just letting you know ...

 

[mac_user]

Intercasino Roulette

My earlier post:

Here was my last roulette session at Intercasino about a year and a half ago:

No. of Spins=34

Numbers Bet Each Spin
7 through 36
(81% of table)

Result
16 wins, 18 losses (won 47%, lost 53%)

P.S.

I asked the Wizard of Odds to calculate the probability of this. He came up with the figure 0.000007880052468 or about 1 in 130,000.

 

[cashroom]

bet on those numbers

If it seems some numbersare coming out more than others by all means bet on those numbers because it means a bias. Some land casinos have bias numbers due to wear. This Spanish family made a fortune from it.

 

[tantalos]

Anybody ever win big at Inter B.J.????

Actually,I deposited $70 at intercasino 4 days ago. I got a 100% match bonus and I started playing multihand BJ, 5 hands at a time, $2 per hand. I managed to reach the wager requirement (25x$140) and withdrew $210, coming up with a net winning of 140$.

This may not sound too much, but I have never lost a single dime at Intercasino. Bear in mind, though, that I only play BJ and NEVER roulette (somehow I think that all roulettes on the internet are rigged )

 

[tim5ny]

If it seems some numbersare coming out more than others by all means bet on those numbers because it means a bias.

You have too much trust in the industry. Can't you see that the uncovered numbers are coming in because the house wins that way... not because of a glitch or bias. We're talking computer generated games here.. there can't be a bias towards certain numbers unless there's cheating going on.

 

[mac_user]

RNG Biases

Don't trust apparent RNG biases. I tried tracking the wheel at another online casino (not Intercasino). I found an apparent bias after a few thousand spins, but as soon as I started playing it, it disappeared. When I stopped playing it, it immediately reappeared (on the first spin, and continued for a few hundred spins). When I started playing it again, it disappeared again. At the same casino, I had even worse luck playing baccarat, despite the lower house edge and low standard deviation.

From now on, I will only bet on sports online if I bet on anything at all.

 

[KasinoKing]

Don't trust apparent RNG biases. I tried tracking the wheel at another online casino (not Intercasino). I found an apparent bias after a few thousand spins, but as soon as I started playing it, it disappeared. When I stopped playing it, it immediately reappeared (on the first spin, and continued for a few hundred spins). When I started playing it again, it disappeared again. At the same casino, I had even worse luck playing baccarat, despite the lower house edge and low standard deviation.

Could you please tell us which casino this is?
(So we can aviod it like the plague!)

 

[mac_user]

This happened at Cherry Casino. Perhaps it was just really bad luck, but after the Intercasino experience, it was hard to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Initially, during testing, I fould that numbers that came up during the first five spins of a roulette session tended to repeat more than they should.

When I began to bet, results were very streaky. My first three bets there, $1 on each of five numbers in roulette, all won. The odds against this are about 1 in 400. After that my luck went cold and my winnings were eliminated fairly quickly.

It also seemed that if I didn't play for awhile, I did better than if I had played the day before.

I'm not accusing them of anything, but it does seem suspicious.

 

[TeddyFSB]

The odds against this are about 1 in 400.

This is so pedestrian, it is not even worth posting about.

A couple of days ago I played VP at Platinum Play (I think) doubling each small win twice. I won 14 (fourteen) doubles in a row. The odds against this are 1 in 16384.

Not that's something worth noticing, and I would probably complaing about the doubling feature being rigged if I haven't won .

You play long enough, you'll see anything. The claims of rigged games that people make (with few exceptions) are so unsubstantiated they have to make you laugh.

 

[cashroom]

my point

I Play at Intercasino too but not roulette. I meant that if you feel some numbers come up more than others than bet on them. You are right these are computer programs so the bias that can appear on some land-based roulette wheels is from wear of the wheel. The computer wheel is probably programmed that after so many spins that all numbers have come up just in different orders. All slots in land base use the some technology embedded in a chip.

 

[tencardcharlie]

The computer wheel is probably programmed that after so many spins that all numbers have come up just in different orders..

No, its controlled by a random generator.

All slots in land base use the some technology embedded in a chip

Yes. A random generator.

Don't try to find patterns in the way the roulette wheels spins at Inter - because if you find any, you are mistaken. Trying to beat it will only cost you money.