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intercasino's roulette random???????

Discussion in 'Online Casino and Poker Complaints - old section' started by markey111, Jul 17, 2004.

    Jul 17, 2004
  1. markey111

    markey111 Dormant account

    intercasino roulette is a random number generator ? pull the other one, I have never seen such a rigged roulette in my life. picture this....
    my chips at the table $957 all numbers covered except 22, 25, 36 and 8, 11, 21, 24 half covered (split) with a total stake value of $53 per spin. In the space of 25 spins 36 came out 6 times (two doubles) 22 came out 5 times (two doubles) 25 came out 5 times and once each for 8, 21,24 (All to exclamations of amazement from other players in chat) most of these numbers can be seen on a screen shot I took with my digi cam.( I could not believe what I was watching on the screen) Coinsidence.....I think not!
     
    Last edited: Jul 17, 2004
  2. Jul 17, 2004
  3. maxfalcon

    maxfalcon Dormant account

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    Could you please post your screen shot? :confused: ;)
     
  4. Jul 18, 2004
  5. sirius

    sirius Senior Member

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    http://www.faircasinos.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1577#1577
    Here are the InterCasino roulette screenshots
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Jul 21, 2004
  6. Jul 18, 2004
  7. bethug

    bethug Banned User - Winner of the "<a href="http://www.c

    i dont mess with intercasino or any wagerlogic roulette. I seen your screen shot and i believe you , cause the same thing happen over and over to me about two years ago.
     
  8. Jul 20, 2004
  9. dirk_dangerous

    dirk_dangerous Dormant account

    I personally believe that Cryptologic software is rigged. Why not contact the Wizard or Gamemaster and send them screen shots of what happened.

    You should also contact Intercasino and ask for your play logs (they won't give them, but you will have their denial on record.
     
  10. Jul 20, 2004
  11. caruso

    caruso Banned User - repetitive violations of <a href="ht

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    He doesn't need to request logs, he can just click on the log viewer.
     
  12. Jul 21, 2004
  13. Tester

    Tester Quit Gambling

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    1) We wait for the logs.

    2) Given the details we heard, the probability is:
    3.49207E-12 or 1/286,363,360,030

    Please remember that there were lots of sessions in InterCasino, and lots of things to look for. So one should multiply the number above in many tousands (maybe millions). But there is no clear cut formula for that.

    But even after multiplying in how much you want for the sake of safety, the case as presented can never occur in a fair game

    details for the calculation below:

    bottom line:

    31 numbers fully covered.
    3 numbers half covered
    3 numbers not covered.

    25 spins. 6 times covered numbers. 3 times half covered. 16 times uncovered numbers.

    the probability for 16 out of of 25 spins to fall on the 3 uncovered numbers is
    binom(25,16,3/37
    (and in Excel=BINOMDIST(9,25,34/37,1)).

    One can also calculate the half covered numbers, but the probability will be higher (i.e. more probable), and the calculation will be less eeasy since there are 8 not completely covered numbers in the picture here You must register/login in order to see the link.)
     
  14. Jul 21, 2004
  15. hhcfreebie

    hhcfreebie Dormant account

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    I got the exact same number using basic probability formula. This is the chance to have not-covered number come out 16 times or more out of 25 trials.
    It's time for inter casino to come up with some explainations.
     
  16. Jul 21, 2004
  17. DeMango

    DeMango Dormant account

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    Truely Amazing figures, hope to see the logs out in the open.
     
  18. Jul 21, 2004
  19. caruso

    caruso Banned User - repetitive violations of <a href="ht

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    If that one in three hundred billion figure is correct, then it'll be proof - against my own opinion - that Cryptologic is rigged.
     
  20. Jul 22, 2004
  21. hhcfreebie

    hhcfreebie Dormant account

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    Any progress on getting the play log?
     
  22. Jul 23, 2004
  23. gfkostas

    gfkostas Ex-Bonus Whore

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    Logs????? That can't be right and i have always trusted Cryptologic.Someone from InterCasino should come here and explain the situation.Am mystified :eek2:
     
  24. Jul 23, 2004
  25. bethug

    bethug Banned User - Winner of the "<a href="http://www.c

    gfkostas, there is no explaition but straight out fixed. That why i dont play there as much, barract is fixed too. I said this over two years ago.

    I will stick to the safe rtg casinos and casino on net and casino 356 for now
     
  26. Jul 24, 2004
  27. DeMango

    DeMango Dormant account

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    Since I haven't seen any logs which can be pulled up by the player, I will have to conclude all this is false. I will gladly eat these words but it doesn't take but a moment to cut and paste the logs to this forum. The silence since several posters have asked is deafening!
     
  28. Jul 24, 2004
  29. hhcfreebie

    hhcfreebie Dormant account

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    There is still the screen shot. Some how the link is disabled in this thread but you can still use copy/past to see the picture.
    On the screen shot, I see 7 of the uncovered number showing within 15 spins. In this case, it would be 8.25027e-5, or 1 in 12,121 to have 7 or more uncovered numbers showing within 15 spins. Although it's still very unlikely, it's within the possible range. It's more common than royal flush btw.
     
  30. Jul 24, 2004
  31. gfkostas

    gfkostas Ex-Bonus Whore

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    Yeah where are the bloody logs?? :confused:
     
  32. Jul 24, 2004
  33. Tester

    Tester Quit Gambling

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    Israel
    Sirius?

    Sirius, I guess you have a contact wiht this guy.

    Maybe you can get him extracting the logs?
     
  34. Jul 24, 2004
  35. sirius

    sirius Senior Member

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    He posted this message about Intercasino on a few forums at the same time, including mine. He didn't know about the log viewer in the software but I explained to him how to access the logs. The log viewer is known to be a bit buggy (in blackjack at least) so I've now advised him to also get a copy from Intercasino to make sure it is correct. I haven't heard from him recently though and maybe he hasn't checked the boards in the last few days.
     
    Last edited: Jul 24, 2004
  36. Jul 25, 2004
  37. markey111

    markey111 Dormant account

    re logs

    I deleted intercasino from my computer in disgust, when I was told about the log viewer and re installed, the log viewer was blank. All I can get from the site are my deposits. I have asked intercasino for my logs for the relevent dates and i am awaiting their reply.
     
  38. Jul 25, 2004
  39. sirius

    sirius Senior Member

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    UK
    The main assertion about the uncovered numbers appearing 16 times in 25 spins is unlikely to the point of being impossible (many billions to one chance- =1/BINOMDIST(9,25,34/37,1) = 286363000000 > 286 billion).

    If you go by what is seen on the screenshot, the uncovered numbers showed up 7 times out of 15. It is probably not true that in the other 10 spins either side of the time of the screenshots, that the uncovered numbers showed up 9 times out of 10 (to make 16 out of 25) so maybe what was stated before wasn't accurate.

    The formula for this in Excel: =1/BINOMDIST(8,15,34/37,1) = 12120.82 so the odds are unlikely but not very unusual given the number of spins of roulette happening at this casino and something similar is sure to happen there quite regularly (probably about once per week). It is not something that a player should expect to happen, though.

    markey111 at the moment is trying to get Intercasino to confirm the play logs so we know exactly what happened.
     

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