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3mptyseat

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I thought I was a shill, but alas, wikipedia set my ass straight!

...but you do not have the right calling people SHILLS, just because they pointed out what was already posted.
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Both the illegal and legal gambling industries often use shills to make winning at games appear more likely than it actually is. For example, illegal Three-card Monte and Shell game peddlers are notorious employers of shills. These shills also often aid in cheating, disrupting the game if the "mark" is likely to win. In a legal casino, however, a shill is sometimes a gambler who plays using the casino's money in order to keep games (especially poker) going when there are not enough players. (This is different from a "proposition player" who is paid a salary by the casino for the same purpose, but bets with their own money.)

Bless this thread for a plethora of reasons.

I for at least 6 years have spent so much time playing low limit poker at a local card club, I was misinformed and often considered myself a 'shill'. But this thread has corrected my belief. Reading this thread, vaguely about the 'definition' of certain online casino bonuses, led me to reconsider the definitions I apply to words, for example, hmmm, shill. In doing this, I think I was forced to reevaluate what I defined myself as.

I have for a few years played 'proposition' poker for a couple local card clubs, and one Indian casino. And many a time I have had to curb my tongue after busting a gambler from the game, raking his (and in a couple cases, her) last chips into my stack, only to immediately be under fire from a verbal assault from said loser. (Not calling them a loser per se, just, they lost in the instance referred to, lol)

Now take into consideration that at all four places I have ever 'worked' for the club, I had to wear a badge saying I was indeed a prop player.

Well, one of the first times this happened, in 2004 I think, I had busted a guy who had AA as his hole cards and had been complaining about the '%$cking black box' that was newly installed at this poker table to shuffle the cards. Well, I called in bad position to a ridiculously over sized pre-flop bet with JJ in my hand. The board came low cards and when I checked, he insta shoved his hand with a 'flicking' jesture from his right hand as he said, "All in!" I took a little longer to decide what to do, but had a gut feeling that he had AK or small PP. I was dead wrong, but I had a bunch of chips, and I knew this guy to be a chaser, "win here and he will likely rebuy, lose here and he will still give a lot of em back" was my thought process.

This was at a $1-1-2 NL table and I think I had bout $600 in front of me. He had the max buy in of $200, and so the dealer told us we could "open" our hands if we like, since I had him covered, and no more betting would occur. We both did and I immed. congratulated him thinking my 2 outer was basically dead...

And then the dealer burned and turned a TEN. He then burned and slid the river off the top of the deck, and flipped over a red jack. With a mixed board and a T on the turn, my set of J's was the best hand. And that river was the last straw.

This guy was a consistent loser, but one needs to know a little background before you can tell if he knows 'why'. I knew him to be ignorant of the reasons he was constantly rebuying, so teasing him was not only immature and out of the question, it also would have cost me my job.

Needless to say, he went bizerk and he kept coming back to the same thing, as eventually the floor manager and a security guard dragged him off. He kept saying, "I new the black box was working with the shill." He repeated this bs about 30 times.

I asked a 72 year old co-worker that day what a 'shill' was. He told me, "You are!" And then he started laughing. I did not read the implied sarcasm, as he was goading me bc that is what the angry and dissatisfied customer had called me. I thought he meant, "A shill is a prop player. A prop player is a shill." So ever since, I considered the word synonymous with a prop player. A couple regulars in a card club near SF even nicknamed me "Shill" after a dealer who was working at the first place I mentioned told the now locally infamous story one night after he got the job at this place...

But tonight, while wishing there were good games at the local clubs at 3am on a Monday night, I chose to stay home and play a little on the Cake network and read Casinomeister. Which led me to Wikipedia. Which led me to,

prop, proposition player
A player who gets paid an hourly rate to start poker games or to help them stay active. Prop players play with their own money, which distinguishes them from shills, who play with the casino's money.

Which is clearly different than a shill. (and possibly a stupid move, I could have been playing with the houses money? No one told me that!)

So tyvm Inetbet etc thread. I always knew I was ignorant, but I was unaware to what depths. And here I am, less uninformed than just 2 hours ago!
 
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jod5413

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That is quite a story, 3mptyseat!!! I always thought shills just tried to convince you to send your business to certain casinos, usually not very good casinos.

I am glad you feel better having actually found out what a shill was. :thumbsup:
 

2btakn

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Killeen, TX
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I have been playing online for 16 years and have seen this same stuff over and over again. I can care less what anything else thinks.. i was just posting this to vent my frustration and alert people that this can happen to them as well. I will not be posting a P.A.B. because I never have and never will. It is each player's responsibility to find where they want to play and who they trust. any casino that has no live chat and finds reasons to steal player's money is a rogue casino. INETBET is a rogue casino in my personal opinion and i will never play there ever again. they should have informed me that I would not be paid upon my first inquiry as to why my playthrough was not changing, and instead chose to let me continue playing on the hope I would lose and continue depositing money. i guarantee you that thye would have found some other reason to not pay me had I played the rudoplh slot machine 100% instead of moving to lucky tiger a few times. By the way, the playing I did on the other slots was all losses anyways. And I just don't see why it should matter anyways, unless they are able to manipulate the payouts based upon a certain promotion. No other sites besides RTG have these hidden traps in their bonus coupons. I had previously done something similar at jackpot capital and they immediately informed me to let me know the situation and didn't confiscate any of my winnings at all.

I know this weekend I tried their casino for the first time. I did notice they had multiple coupons and I took the 75% one. I scrolled all the way down to read that for each coupon there were specific games that had to be played for each one which I didn't really like. But I tried the Oriental one. If your new to the site it is kinda misleading because I just happen to scroll all the way down.
 

ShayDrew

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Joined
Aug 19, 2010
Location
New Zealand
I know this weekend I tried their casino for the first time. I did notice they had multiple coupons and I took the 75% one. I scrolled all the way down to read that for each coupon there were specific games that had to be played for each one which I didn't really like. But I tried the Oriental one. If your new to the site it is kinda misleading because I just happen to scroll all the way down.

All the members here should be reading
https://www.casinomeister.com/how-to/ before joining - and some of the key statements are around reading T's & C's and understanding bonus conditions.

If we all did this there would never be any complaints! :)
 
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