Immortal Romance - Where on Earth is Michael?

RikkiGT-R

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I have accounts with many different casinos, and my favourite game is far and away Immortal Romance.
I dunno how many spins I've played (probably into hundreds of thousands) at bets right up to £6 per spin but I have NEVER hit 5 Michael at any casino, with wild OR standard.
I have actually had 5 scatter (once) which I thought would be harder to get than 5 Michael, but apparently not. I've seen huge Wild Desire hits with 5 Michael, but has anyone had 5 without wild in the base game? Just seems impossible to get and it's doing my head in. I've even had 5 Sarah, 3 of those with a wild above/below for huge wins, Michael can't get anywhere near that in the base game, so why is it so hard?

Each time I open an account at a new casino, I almost always make a bee line for Immortal Romance and gradually, over time, the paytable fills up aside from 5 Michael, 5 Scatter (barring that one rare time at Betsafe) and 4 + 5 Wild. In most casinos I haven't even had 4 Michael, see this Betsafe screen shot as a perfect example:

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Now I can understand the missing 4 + 5 wilds but not getting 4 Michael, never mind 5? Bizarre. It's like this at every casino :(
 

Mozaik

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I dont trust that game, the wild vine feature always absent on reels 1 and 2

I think they fixed it recently. However depends what you call fixed...it usually would expand to reels 3 & 5. I've seen it expand to reels 1 and 2 now as well, but only at times when it would have been a five of a kind and a big hit if it would expand to the 5th reel.;)
 

RikkiGT-R

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tbf, I did actually get a Wild Vine feature the other day where I got a Troy on reels 2, 3, 4 and 5. The wild Vine filled up all symbols on reels 1 and 2 for a pretty epic win.

I'd still trade that win for 5 Michael though, just to see it once...
 

mimi26

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I think they fixed it recently. However depends what you call fixed...it usually would expand to reels 3 & 5. I've seen it expand to reels 1 and 2 now as well, but only at times when it would have been a five of a kind and a big hit if it would expand to the 5th reel.;)


LOL, :D.........aint gambling a mugs game eh ;)
 

The Viking

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Here is mine from the 32red group :) got 5 Michaels on all of them, i have played it by far the most on 32red but just about to give it up catching 5 scatters and 5 wilds :)
 

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dunover

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That is far more strange - at Dash you haven't got 3 wilds on 1.2.3 by now. Weird, because everything else is filled. 5 michaels seems a win I've always got relatively quickly, but in 5 years I've never had 5 scatters on either TSII or IR.:what:
 

kktmd

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1.054.989 normal spins (not bonus round). Free play, bet: 0.30.

5 of a kind occured:

Scatter: 4
Michael: 22
Troy: 339
Sarah : 408
Castle: 446
Library: 550
Q: 688
A: 802
J: 933
K: 1021
10: 1242
Amber: 1257
9: 6663
 

The Viking

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Not only that ive actully had 5 scatters twice at Dash :confused: and i think thats the casino out of thos 3 i have the least playtime on IR.


That is far more strange - at Dash you haven't got 3 wilds on 1.2.3 by now. Weird, because everything else is filled. 5 michaels seems a win I've always got relatively quickly, but in 5 years I've never had 5 scatters on either TSII or IR.:what:
 

Nate

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1.054.989 normal spins (not bonus round). Free play, bet: 0.30.

5 of a kind occured:

Scatter: 4
Michael: 22
Troy: 339
Sarah : 408
Castle: 446
Library: 550
Q: 688
A: 802
J: 933
K: 1021
10: 1242
Amber: 1257
9: 6663

Very interesting Stats... Michael occurred like 20 x LESS that the other top paying symbols? It is NOT the top paying symbol either so... Whats up with that?

Nate
 

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Very interesting Stats... Michael occurred like 20 x LESS that the other top paying symbols? It is NOT the top paying symbol either so... Whats up with that?

Nate

very strange isn't it?
But they're random so we expect totally weird results like that.:D
 

RikkiGT-R

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very strange isn't it?
But they're random so we expect totally weird results like that.:D

The point here is, if they really were "random", then it wouldn't be the same for all of us (incredibly difficult to get 5 Michael).
It seems that Michael has been coded into the game to be intentionally very rare, but there appears to be no real reasoning for it. He's not the top paying symbol, he doesn't unlock any kind of special bonus game or anything like that. Makes no sense.
 

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The point here is, if they really were "random", then it wouldn't be the same for all of us (incredibly difficult to get 5 Michael).
It seems that Michael has been coded into the game to be intentionally very rare, but there appears to be no real reasoning for it. He's not the top paying symbol, he doesn't unlock any kind of special bonus game or anything like that. Makes no sense.

My guess (and that's all it is) is that they run a the maths program to set the symbols/reel strips for an RTP of 96% and the reel strips it chucked out simply dropped a Michael or two to compensate somewhere along the line. Or put another way, it wasn't a conscious "human" decision or done for any specific reason.
 

akrus88

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1.054.989 normal spins (not bonus round). Free play, bet: 0.30.

5 of a kind occured:

Scatter: 4
Michael: 22
Troy: 339
Sarah : 408
Castle: 446
Library: 550
Q: 688
A: 802
J: 933
K: 1021
10: 1242
Amber: 1257
9: 6663
Thanks for this! I actually doubt Troy is more unlikely to hit then Sarah. But what I do believe is tha Amber might just accur more often, then symbols that pay less.

Very intresting stats!
 

RikkiGT-R

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Thanks Simmo!. That's definitely a very logical (educated) guess.

akruss88 - I definitely get Amber more often than all the others combined. Was one of the first anomalies I noticed about this particular slot.
 

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... but in 5 years I've never had 5 scatters on either TSII or IR.:what:
Technically speaking, even if you add them together you could not have been playing them for 5 years...
IR was only released 1 year 3 months ago, and TSII 2 years 10 months ago = 4 years 1 month max... :p

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KK
 

miso

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Great thread folks, I see I am not the only one :D

When I had my IR phase, played only at Betway.
Based on my comps I can say that I played some 10k spins.

Only hit them boys once, but fittingly in Michael FS, I had four of them on 2,3,4 and 5
with wilds on 4 and 5 and wild fell on first reel, all that on max multiplier :D

But yes, never had them without a wild. Funny that.
 

LaHutti

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1.054.989 normal spins (not bonus round). Free play, bet: 0.30.

5 of a kind occured:

Scatter: 4
Michael: 22
Troy: 339
Sarah : 408
Castle: 446
Library: 550
Q: 688
A: 802
J: 933
K: 1021
10: 1242
Amber: 1257
9: 6663

So you never hit 5 wilds in over a million spins ? (Not that I'm overly surprised)

Tells my story exactly:

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kktmd

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GameSymbolNameReel1Reel2Reel3Reel4Reel5Reel1 pct.Reel2 pct.Reel3 pct.Reel4 pct.Reel5 pct.5oak pct.ExpectedAchieved
Immortal RomanceWild111116,66675,26324,83875,66044,61540,000044354528134325290,46680
Immortal RomanceScatter4121126,66675,26329,67745,66044,61540,00035483623140251513,73434
Immortal RomanceMichael2132413,33335,263214,516111,320818,46150,0021290174145546932722,405822
Immortal RomanceTroy353352026,315814,516116,981123,07690,02993930783394649545315,081339
Immortal RomanceSarah343552021,052614,516128,301923,07690,03991907712102133933420,108408
Immortal RomanceCastle344542021,052619,354828,301918,46150,04258034900242225194448,1152446
Immortal RomanceLibrary346442021,052629,032322,641518,46150,05109641880517765437537,7382550
Immortal RomanceQ345462021,052624,193522,641527,69230,06387052341847267983672,1727685
Immortal RomanceA356452026,315829,032322,641523,07690,07983815445893633191840,2159801
Immortal RomanceJ345562021,052624,193528,301927,69230,07983815413204344369840,2159872
Immortal RomanceK356552026,315829,032328,301923,07690,099797692897361156851050,26991020
Immortal Romance104465526,666721,052629,032328,301923,07690,106450872056596390751120,28791123
Immortal RomanceAmber356562026,315829,032328,301927,69230,119757231476833388221260,32391257
Immortal Romance971064846,666752,631629,032322,641536,92310,596124888522259824236273,61246345

Reel1: Number of times the symbol occurs on Reel1
Reel2: Number of times the symbol occurs on Reel2
Reel3: Number of times the symbol occurs on Reel3
Reel4: Number of times the symbol occurs on Reel4
Reel5: Number of times the symbol occurs on Reel5

Reel1 pct.: Chance(%) of hitting the symbol on Reel1 (=Reel1*3/45 stops)
Reel2 pct.: Chance(%) of hitting the symbol on Reel2 (=Reel2*3/57 stops)
Reel3 pct.: Chance(%) of hitting the symbol on Reel3 (=Reel3*3/62 stops)
Reel4 pct.: Chance(%) of hitting the symbol on Reel4 (=Reel4*3/53 stops)
Reel5 pct.: Chance(%) of hitting the symbol on Reel5 (=Reel5*3/65 stops)

5oak pct.: Chance(%) of hitting 5 of a kind (=Reel1 pct*Reel2 pct*Reel3 pct*Reel4 pct*Reel5 pct)

Expected: expected number of hits (=Reel1 pct*Reel2 pct*Reel3 pct*Reel4 pct*Reel5 pct*1.052.399 spins)
Achieved: the number of times hit during 1.052.399 spins (normal spins - not bonus round or WildDesire, free play, 0.30 bet)

Wild desire uses a different wheel layout, so I removed them from the stats (so the numbers are a bit lower than the previous stats).

DISCLAIMER: I have not doublechecked the numbers - dont come crying to me if your own stats turn out to be different ;-)
 
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incrediblestuff

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Indeed some nicely overview-able stats: have you always played like that, or did you start to record sessions later in your gambling "career", for a specific reason, if you don't mind my asking?
 

RikkiGT-R

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So you never hit 5 wilds in over a million spins ? (Not that I'm overly surprised)

That's over £/$300,000 of spins isn't it? I know it is but my mind is struggling to believe it.
Imagine it was real money, wagering over £/$300k and never getting 5 wilds which aren't even worth that much :eek2:
 

incrediblestuff

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btw, after gazilllions of spins, where art thou Michael? (and 5 scatters and wilds too:))

micheal.jpg

@Rikki, i did notice this too way before you posted this thread, so indeed funny to see it is like this with the other 95% of players too:)
 
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