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If you're religious, how does your religion feel about gambling?

Are you religious, does your religion allow gambling? If not, how do you feel?

  • Religious, but my religion allows gambling

    Votes: 6 10.7%

  • Religious, my religion doesn't allow gambling, and it really bothers me

    Votes: 4 7.1%

  • Religious, my religion doesn't allow gambling, but I don't care so much.

    Votes: 8 14.3%

  • not religious

    Votes: 38 67.9%
  • Total voters
    56
  • Poll closed .
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I'm wondering about how religions view gambling, and how people feel about it. I was chatting with some Moslem friends and they say that Islam doesn't allow gambling.

Please say what your religion is and whether your religious views affect your gambling.
 
I won after a bad streak and I said "Thank Christ"
He wasnt ther when I lost.

Religion is man made, just like the tooth fairy. Your mamma told you not to gamble because it is bad. You went against it and saw why.

Some religious group tells you it is bad, so what? They may have some wise wisdom like your mamma but they may also have sinister motives for making up their rules.

Gambling is bad. Everyone knows it. You may lose your lifestyle. God would struggle to talk me into visiting his kingdom. He would have to kiss ass big time.

To answer your question. Do whatever makes you feel comfortable. Religion is only a crutch.
 
im southern baptist, so i know im doing wrong in the eyes of the church and maybe god, but i also know that god is a forgiving god and if we are created in his image that he has a sense of humor and is not a doom and gloom god if we gamble, drink ,ect ,gambling goes back to the biblical days when the romans liked to gamble.i thank god daily for all that he has blessed me with.it is in ones heart that they worship whom they wish and imho, its between me and the good lord and not the church and elders if i gamble or not............laurie
 
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Gambling per se is not forbidden in the Bible. But other passages would suggest to treat it like alcohol: don't take it to excess. And the point of excess should be common-sensibly determined hopefully beforehand, either by you or your overseer, guardian, or whomever.

Prior to several years ago, I never gambled, partly because of my fundamentalist Baptist background and common-sense knowing that in the long-run, gambling by itself is a losing proposition. But when I learned about certain betting strategies, then gambling with a plan and a stopping point seemed to be alright. After much trial and error and losses, I've climbed into the plus side now.

So I believe gambling would be a "sin" for some (most) people who gamble by hunches because they lose too much money, not necessarily that God hath said so. People who are good at it and are successful at it, it's alright. Those who gamble for fun and entertainment and can afford to lose that money, that is fine too. Guys who gamble at land-based casinos in order to ogle the female waitresses, then gambling is wrong for them. :cool:
 
Westland Bowl said:
Gambling per se is not forbidden in the Bible. But other passages would suggest to treat it like alcohol: don't take it to excess. And the point of excess should be common-sensibly determined hopefully beforehand, either by you or your overseer, guardian, or whomever.
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I think the general consensus here is common sense.

10 Modern Commandments

1.Thowt shalt not gamble or will be condemned in hell
2.Thowt shalt love thy neighbor for 1hr in church a week
3.Thowt shalt only kill to prove god loves us
4.Thowt shalt hate false religions or gods
5.Thowt shalt not let the church to commit child crimes
6.Thowt shalt be christian or condemned in hell
7.Thowt shalt suicide bomb in the name of religion
8.Thowt shalt fear god
9.Thowt shalt worship with no true understanding of wft?
10.Thowt shalt gamble on the longshot there is a god, and if so, he's decent.
 
Not every terrorist is a muslim, but all muslims are terrorists ? :D
Kidding kidding, chiiiiiill.

I would agree with Westland Bowl on this. Gambling is not specifically mentioned in the bible. There are times when things of chance are mentioned as happening. They cast lots in front ot the cross to divide Jesus' clothes. I think this is often used to shout down gambling.
Gotta remember though they also cast lots to divide lands and in the book of Acts they cast lots to decide on the replacement for Judas iscariot.


As for the people saying religion is lame and science rules everything etc and other sunch nonsense. That's a whole other debate.
 
paul02085 said:
james01 said:
I'm wondering about how religions view gambling, and how people feel about it. I was chatting with some Moslem friends and they say that Islam doesn't allow gambling.

I can see their 10 commandments. Thou shalt not gamble, thou can blow up innocent people and be a martyr. :)
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Yeah. Ironic, isnt it? Equating killing innocent people with martyrdom. I do not believe that the truly religious Islam followers wanted this but this was somewhat twisted by people with self-interests. In fact, even when we say a Holy War needs to be fought, we are only saying that we resist the Devil and his temptations and not to really kill people in flesh and blood. I have met many religious people in my life be they Buddhists, Catholics and Hindus. Most deserve respect but when they say they want to infringe on others' rights out of self-interest I simply turn away from them.
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brutaldeluxe said:
I would agree with Westland Bowl on this. Gambling is not specifically mentioned in the bible. There are times when things of chance are mentioned as happening. They cast lots in front ot the cross to divide Jesus' clothes. I think this is often used to shout down gambling.
Gotta remember though they also cast lots to divide lands and in the book of Acts they cast lots to decide on the replacement for Judas iscariot.
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The casting of "lots" is gambling, so there was gambling in the bible and obviously it was approved by God or else how could it be in the bible? You know a lot of Christians say that god wrote the bible...
 
The casting of "lots" is gambling, so there was gambling in the bible and obviously it was approved by God or else how could it be in the bible?
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Killing happens in the bible. Fornication happens in the bible. Stealing happens in the bible.
Are these things approved by God ?
No. Just because they are in the bible doesn't mean they are approved of by God.


Casting of lots happens in the bible, but it is not specifically mentioned as in do not do it, or do do it. That's the key point I was trying to make.
Whereas other things like killing do appear in the bible and are also specifically referred to.....for instance the commandment thou shalt not kill.
That's the difference.
 
Thanks everyone. I wasn't trying to start a holy war. I'm not very religious myself. Haven't been to church in years, but I kinda feel like god is a cool idea. I never learned anything about not gambling, but then these moslem people I was chatting with said that Islam is really against gambling, and so is Judiasm. But then they said that only Jews were gambling in the casino in Jericho before it got blown up, so maybe they didn't understand about Jews.

Does anyone know about Jews and gambling?
 
Religion is the the biggest starter of war in our history.

Even on a forum people will get passionate about it.

From a catholic upbringing I chose not to be religious. Not because I am evil, but because I feel religion spreads evil.

The bible is only a guideline of moral principles. It is constantly taken out of context by extremists. I dont believe there is a god or he would have stepped in and kicked some ass by now.

Some of the most evil people in the world claim to be religious so it doesnt say much for that.

Its all about moral values.

Gambling is all about your bottom line. Its not a moral issue, its a common sense one. Most gamblers lose, that is fact. So in that respect, it is wrong to gamble for the individual.

Religion taking a stance and claiming it is Gods law is just BS. It may have some merit but in no way is it a sin
 
As a hard core atheist, I don't want to get in to this too much, because I know how it upsets some people to have their superstitious religious beliefs questioned.

However, bryand I have to say that the article you posted a link too is complete crap. Not even one mention of the "casting of lots", the folks in the bible were playing dice (casting lots) and that is gambling, no doubt about it. ('lots' just happen to be dice - btw the dice pictured in my avatar are over three thousand years old, far older than the bible)

The word for "lot" in the New Testament is the Greek word KLEROS meaning "a small pebble made of wood or bone or a stone." Hence the term, "Throwing the Bones".

So the Bible does mention gambling (throwing dice) in several places, here are a few...

Leviticus 16:7-10. Aaron was to cast lots upon the two goats to determine which one was to be slain and which one was to be sent away into the desert bearing the sins of Israel.

Joshua 7:14. Achan, the man who stole the spoils of the Battle of Jericho and brought defeat upon the Israelites in their attack upon the city of Ai, was found to be the guilty one by the casting of lots.

Joshua 18:10. Joshua divided the land of Canaan among the twelve tribes of Israel by lot.

I Chronicles 6:54. The sons of Aaron received their cities by the casting of lots.

I Chronicles 23:5. The duties of the individual Levitical priests were decided by the casting of lots.

I Chronicles 26:13 and Nehemiah 10:34. The porters (servants) for the house of the Lord (the Tabernacle) were chosen by lot.

I Chronicles 28:8-31. The singers among Israel to be used in the Tabernacle worship were chosen by lot.

Revelation 2:17.(and God says) I will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no one knows except the one who receives it.

If you believe in an all powerful god, doesn't God determine who will win and who will lose in any gambling contest.... So isn't gambling just one more way for the believers to attempt to 'determine' the will of God?
 
I used to think I was atheist, but then I came to realise I'm actually agnostic. What I do know is that religion is very important to a lot of people and can serve a lot of good.

Everyone should be free to form their own opinions. The problems start when people think other people should adopt their opinions. But that's not just confined to religion. It's in politics, business and everyday life too.

Bottom line is, everyone should be free to choose their religion and everyone should be free to choose how those religious beliefs apply to their lives including whether or not they gamble.

At the end of the day, Religion itself isn't a problem. People are the problem.
 
I used to think I was atheist, but then I came to realise I'm actually agnostic. What I do know is that religion is very important to a lot of people and can serve a lot of good.
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Interesting... Most people I know went the other way, they start out as an agnostic then gradually become atheist over time.

As far as religion serving good... Well we will just have to agree to disagree. I think organized religion has been the single greatest handicap that we humans have had in our history. (Please note, that I am not talking about the personal belief in a God or Gods here, I am only speaking about Human Organized Religion.)

I wonder how much more advanced we as a race would be if we did not have every organized religion in human history stifling the technical and scientific advancement of the Human race?

Men like Leonardo di ser Piero da Vinci having to write backwards in a mirror, so he would not get burned at the stake for his ideas... Or the Spanish Inquisition... Galileo Galilei... I could go on and on and on...
 
paul02085 said:
james01 said:
I'm wondering about how religions view gambling, and how people feel about it. I was chatting with some Moslem friends and they say that Islam doesn't allow gambling.

I can see their 10 commandments. Thou shalt not gamble, thou can blow up innocent people and be a martyr. :)
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mind you... if you dont know about islam, dont spread your crap on a gambling forum.. first you need to know about ABC of islam.. what you know about islam.. if a muslim is doing something bad, doesnt mean islam asked him to do. respect others beliefs and dont show ur crap filled in your head.
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uzmaati said:
paul02085 said:
mind you... if you dont know about islam, dont spread your crap on a gambling forum.. first you need to know about ABC of islam.. what you know about islam.. if a muslim is doing something bad, doesnt mean islam asked him to do. respect others beliefs and dont show ur crap filled in your head.
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I dont think Paul meant any harm although the effects of 911 must have weighed heavily on him. I recall a video clip where one Moslem stated that 'Islam' meant peace and that most Islam followers were peaceful and I believe that. However, there are people who call on all followers of certain religions to attack or harm people of some nationalities and this is unforgivable. Religion is supposed to spread peace and goodwill so that we can all live in harmony.
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i dont think that whoever attacked on 9/11 were muslims nor it was religious act. that was something political or personal attack. yeah but if bush (biggest terrorist) destroy countries(afghanistan, iraq) in the name of peace , and he wiped people just in search of 1 person , which i doubted ever existed, so is that ever justified.on 9/11 100s of people were victim, but bush killed thousands and thousands of people, so is that has anything to do with christianity, ofcourse not.
plain and simple, respect others religion and leave rest on GOD( as He knows better who is righteous)
 
uzmaati said:
i dont think that whoever attacked on 9/11 were muslims nor it was religious act. that was something political or personal attack. yeah but if bush (biggest terrorist) destroy countries(afghanistan, iraq) in the name of peace , and he wiped people just in search of 1 person , which i doubted ever existed, so is that ever justified.on 9/11 100s of people were victim, but bush killed thousands and thousands of people, so is that has anything to do with christianity, ofcourse not.
plain and simple, respect others religion and leave rest on GOD( as He knows better who is righteous)
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This video was made by the families of the victims. Some will try to fob it off as paranoid, another conspiracy theory. It does however go into very specific detail and has pretty damning evidence to support their theory.

All we here nowadays is the "war on terrorism". This term seems to be thrown around to discredit one particular group. The UN refused to give the go ahead for this staged war. Now it is likely a division was caused as a result. I am ashamed our countrys leaders were so weak, as to back the US government in this. They may be heavy on the propaganda but anyone with an open mind can see far too many discrepancies.

The war with Catholics & Protestants was staged by the British government. It was merely a standard tactic of war, "divide and conquer."

People will be believe what they want, and as simmo said

"At the end of the day, Religion itself isn't a problem. People are the problem."

I dont think religion has any place in modern society. It's principle have been lost some way down the line. The good points have been lost somewhere in translation and we are now left with nations using it as a "divide and conquer" war tactic.

"Thou shall not kill"

That condemns war unless you intend to attack the opposition with water baloons.

My stance on gambling hasn't changed. It is a personal choice. Other religious rules are in place to regulate it, such as stealing and lying, etc.
 
james01 said:
Does anyone know about Jews and gambling?
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I would say that the majority of the operators of MGS, and Playtech casinos are Jewish. It's a huge population in this industry. That's why I always laugh when critics with no statistics in their hands claim that online gaming funds terrorists. I'd say it's the opposite :D

But back to religion and gaming - religion is a social instrument to keep people solidified in a certain behavior - which is controlled by an elite few. Normally this behaviour attributes to the well-being of the society as a whole. When something disrupts the well-being of the whole (people stealing each other's spouses, killing their neighbors, losing the house on a bad bet), then in many instances religion and the fear of God is brought into the picture to keep people in line. A few years in the pokey has nothing on burning in hell...forever. Religion in many cases is a code of conduct written by people who want their followers not to screw up.

Many times, religions will interfere with what people want to do on a personal individual level, since most of these "wants" are driven by instinctive selfish motives. Gambling or taking risks (in my opinion) is instinctive. Mankind takes risks - whether it's going to the moon or going "all-in". It's our nature, more so than in others. And whenever an instinctive drive is "forbidden"...well, you know what happens. :rolleyes:
 
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However, bryand I have to say that the article you posted a link too is complete crap. Not even one mention of the "casting of lots", the folks in the bible were playing dice (casting lots) and that is gambling, no doubt about it. ('lots' just happen to be dice - btw the dice pictured in my avatar are over three thousand years old, far older than the bible)
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@ lots0: My son and I played "go fish" when he was a child - his favorite game. Is this gambling just because we use poker cards? While Romans clearly gambled heavily on dice during biblical times, the passages you cite refer to the use of dice just like flipping a coin - simply to decide between 2 or more alternatives.

FWIW, I study Buddhism and Islam in addition to the bible although I was raised Southern Baptist. Herbert Spencer once said "There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
 
Simmo's post

As Simmo so excellently said:

"At the end of the day, Religion itself isn't a problem. People are the problem."

I'd like to add one more thought to that. People who do evil things are the problem, in evil there is greed, jealousy, gluttony and the list goes on and on.
Religion when it is as it is supposed to be, is meant to help us keep those things in check. Like everything else it can and is misused for evil. Religion itself is not a bad thing.
 
bryand said:
@ lots0: My son and I played "go fish" when he was a child - his favorite game. Is this gambling just because we use poker cards?
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The Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines Gambling as:
1 a: to play a game for money or property
b: to bet on an uncertain outcome
2: to stake something on a contingency : take a chance

So I would say that unless you and your son were playing 'Go Fish' for money or property you were not "gambling".

bryand said:
While Romans clearly gambled heavily on dice during biblical times, the passages you cite refer to the use of dice just like flipping a coin - simply to decide between 2 or more alternatives.
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Flipping a coin is gambling if there is an exchange of money or property involved based on the out come of the coin flip and in most of the passages I quoted from the Bible there was an exchange of some kind. Also Please Note... It was not "Just" the Romans that were casting lots... The political and religious leaders of the Jews were casting 'lots' right and left throughout the Bible.

bryand said:
...contempt prior to investigation
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For myself, I have spent decades studying 'Religions' of the world past and present. I am most fascinated with ancient religions. I think it is quite telling how Religion has evolved along with the growth of human knowledge.

I also believe that most Atheists and Non-theists spend a lot of time 'researching' religion before making the decision to become a non-believer. At least all of the Atheists or Non-theists I have met have and they have all been very well educated on religion.

The people I usually find that are the most ignorant on religion in general and in particular their own religion are the 'true believers', that question nothing in their religion and don't bother to investigate or research because they 'know' the truth...
 
lots0 said:
As far as religion serving good... Well we will just have to agree to disagree.
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To clarify, I said it "can" do a lot of good. I'm relating that to the sense of purpose, comfort and direction it provides many people. I also believe it can do a lot of bad, but as previously stated, this is a result of individual interpretation and influence.
 
@Lots0
You'd probably find this theory (and book) fascinating
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I mention this in my Meister Blog :D
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Another book of interest "Misquoting Jesus: the story behind who changed the Bible and why":
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I'm getting a little worried here - 70 percent of my visitors are non-religious. :eek2: They'll start calling this place the Heathen-meister. :p
 
Go Heathens, Go Heathens!

(:confused: isn't it football season or something? :D)
 
Casinomeister said:
@Lots0
You'd probably find this theory (and book) fascinating
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I mention this in my Meister Blog :D
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Another book of interest "Misquoting Jesus: the story behind who changed the Bible and why":
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I'm getting a little worried here - 70 percent of my visitors are non-religious. :eek2: They'll start calling this place the Heathen-meister. :p
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..............me and you both, i guess its ok to say alot of my internet buddies here are heathens:D? they are still good folks in my book:thumbsup: ..........laurie
 
Heathens are people too... :D

@CM
The Bicameralism theory is interesting, but a lot of it I don't agree with.

I have read some of Ehrman's other books, but not the one you mention. I'll have to keep an eye out for it.
 

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