How to know which casinos are part of a group?

bigbonytony

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Hello all. Love the forum!

My question is this:

How do I know which casinos are grouped together? For instance, the terms and conditions for Golden Riviera Casino state that you can not play at any other casinos in the Golden Riviera group. I tried to google "Golden Riviera Group" but could not find a listing of their casinos. Is there a master list somewhere? Lots of casinos state that you are allowed one account/per person/per household and do not care if you play at their "sister" companies. But some do care (I don't know why) and I find it hard (as a novice) to figure out who is with who.

Thanks for the help.
 

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Golden Riviera is in a group of online casinos known as the Golden Riviera Group Casino's

I dont know who is who, so others can check the answer
 

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My opinion on the statement below, they are offering cheap skin (copy sites). they are either distancing themselves from the spam, or they had that bad a name it was costing them business

Our change from Golden Riviera Group to Golden Star Lounge

Since the year 2000, the Golden Riviera Group has been one of the top online casino groups in an ever changing industry. As a firm follower of innovative entertainment, the group deemed it essential to distinguish themselves from other groups and flourish in their own individuality far more assertively than ever before. As a result, a name change was decided upon in order to distance the group’s name from that of Golden Riviera Casino. The similarity of the two names proved to be much closer than intended, and so the group’s name was changed to Golden Star Lounge in an attempt to provide both group and casino with an identity of their own.

Otherwise why would they break up a successful brand name?
 

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collects this information for a huge range of accredited and non-accredited casinos and there is a list of many created by yours truly about a year ago Link Removed ( Old/Invalid) .
 

bigbonytony

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I found that too. I was wondering what casinos are part of that group. Maybe I missed it on that link but I didn't see a list. For example, Jackpotfactory does not want you to use bonuses at other sites in their group. At jackpotfactory.com it shows you the casinos that are part of that group.

I used to think that if the software was the same then they were part of the same goup. I found that not to be the case. This opened up more options for me to claim bonuses at casinos with the same games (software) but were not affiliated with eachother.
 

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I found that too. I was wondering what casinos are part of that group. Maybe I missed it on that link but I didn't see a list. For example, Jackpotfactory does not want you to use bonuses at other sites in their group. At jackpotfactory.com it shows you the casinos that are part of that group.

I used to think that if the software was the same then they were part of the same goup. I found that not to be the case. This opened up more options for me to claim bonuses at casinos with the same games (software) but were not affiliated with eachother.

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But im not a big casino fan so I cant verify it
 

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Hello all. Love the forum!

My question is this:

How do I know which casinos are grouped together? For instance, the terms and conditions for Golden Riviera Casino state that you can not play at any other casinos in the Golden Riviera group. I tried to google "Golden Riviera Group" but could not find a listing of their casinos. Is there a master list somewhere? Lots of casinos state that you are allowed one account/per person/per household and do not care if you play at their "sister" companies. But some do care (I don't know why) and I find it hard (as a novice) to figure out who is with who.

Thanks for the help.
This is a very good question, and is why on my site I always try to state which group each casino belongs to, so that players know where they stand.
In this particular case, their group consists of:-
Golden Riviera
River Nile
Miami Paradise
Slots Royal
Casino France-Net
and Golden Riviera Poker.


Welcome to the forum, and good luck! :thumbsup:
 

bigbonytony

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Thanks to all. Very helpful. It does seem that in the T&C's of some sites it would be helpful (and quite easy) to list the casinos they do not want you to play at while playing theirs. Instead of saying, all casinos in our group are prohibited. But maybe I'm being picky
 

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This is a very good question, and is why on my site I always try to state which group each casino belongs to, so that players know where they stand.
In this particular case, their group consists of:-
Golden Riviera
River Nile
Miami Paradise
Slots Royal
Casino France-Net
and Golden Riviera Poker.


Welcome to the forum, and good luck! :thumbsup:

FYI Golden Star Network and Vegas Partner Lounge have joined forces to form "Star Lounge" I believe as of this month, so that list should probably also include the VPL casinos like Crazy Vegas etc.
 

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Thanks to all. Very helpful. It does seem that in the T&C's of some sites it would be helpful (and quite easy) to list the casinos they do not want you to play at while playing theirs. Instead of saying, all casinos in our group are prohibited. But maybe I'm being picky

You are exactly right bigbone. Its puzzling why many dont list them. Then again, maybe its not. :)
 

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FYI Golden Star Network and Vegas Partner Lounge have joined forces to form "Star Lounge" I believe as of this month, so that list should probably also include the VPL casinos like Crazy Vegas etc.
Oooops, silly me - it was late & I was tired! :baby:

All closing down as a result of the merger:-
Arthurian Casino
777 Dragon Casino
Casino US/UK
Slots Royale Casino
Miami Paradise Casino
Poker Room LA

This will leave just the following Vegas Partner Lounge & Golden Riviera Group casinos in place:-
Aspinals (VPL)
Cinema (VPL)
Crazy Vegas (VPL)
Maple (VPL)
Sun Vegas (VPL)
Golden Riviera (G.Star)
River Nile (G.Star)


Cheers Simmo! :thumbsup:
 

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Hello all. Love the forum!

My question is this:

How do I know which casinos are grouped together? For instance, the terms and conditions for Golden Riviera Casino state that you can not play at any other casinos in the Golden Riviera group. I tried to google "Golden Riviera Group" but could not find a listing of their casinos. Is there a master list somewhere? Lots of casinos state that you are allowed one account/per person/per household and do not care if you play at their "sister" companies. But some do care (I don't know why) and I find it hard (as a novice) to figure out who is with who.

Thanks for the help.

Good post.

The online gambling industry is dynamic to say the least, and to keep an accurate list of which casinos are in which ownership groups is both time and labour-consuming....and it requires constant updating as developments occur.

One of the most diligent (and even they slip up occasionally) at doing this is Casino City in my opinion.
 

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One of the most diligent (and even they slip up occasionally) at doing this is Casino City in my opinion.
I am a little... disappointed to see both you & Simmo (both very respected members of this forum) 'sort of suggesting' that people should go to that site.
(Just by mentioning it's name people may be curious & pay a visit)
Although they do have comprehensive lists, including most of the best casinos on the net, they are mixed in with promotions for out-and-out rogues whom Bryan is continually telling people to avoid. :eek2:
A site of that stature should be leading the fight against rogues, not encouraging them.

Just my personal opinion.
KK.
 

jetset

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Whilst I agree with you that major information sites should ideally carry that sort of warning, KK it is not (afaik) Casino City's core purpose, whereas information is, and I know that they have staff that are kept on the hop updating as much as they can, whenever they can on the site.

I therefore am of the personal view that it is a valuable source of information, notwithstanding the fact that it does not seem to get involved in mediating player disputes or flagging rogues.
 

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Whilst I agree with you that major information sites should ideally carry that sort of warning, KK it is not (afaik) Casino City's core purpose, whereas information is, and I know that they have staff that are kept on the hop updating as much as they can, whenever they can on the site.

I therefore am of the personal view that it is a valuable source of information, notwithstanding the fact that it does not seem to get involved in mediating player disputes or flagging rogues.

If it was solely a valuable source of information, then why are there affiliate tags associated with these Rogue casinos? Take Golden Casino for instance....not paying USA players....but yet there's no mention of payment problems on that site even though they have a new writeup about the new Evil Knievel slot at the casino posted just a couple of weeks ago.

If what you say is true about their core purpose being to provide information, I think any casino's difficulties/unwillingness to pay American players should be on the top of their list, not the other way around with encouraging players to deposit.
 

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I am a little... disappointed to see both you & Simmo (both very respected members of this forum) 'sort of suggesting' that people should go to that site.

I think you missed the point of my post. I was asked where the information of which casinos were part of which groups. Casino City is by far the best database for this as it includes the rogue casinos - the ones who are likely to use that as an excuse for voiding bonuses. Without the rogues, the list would be of much lesser value. That was the reason I also put the accredited list in the same post, so the poster could compare.
 

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Casino city editorial staff produces good articles, good newsletters. There web content sucks for accuracy. They definitely do not have enough staff working on it. And yes, they promote rogues for profit and they just keep growing off their ill-gotten gains.

Do they still own the GPWA?
 

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Casino France Net does not appear in the list a few posts up, which is in the Golden Star group.

Note that the casino lists on my site are sortable by group (click on "Group" header"), and include nearly all casinos I have seen mentioned on these forums. Rogues and other high-risk casinos have warnings.
 

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Casino France Net does not appear in the list a few posts up, which is in the Golden Star group.

Note that the casino lists on my site are sortable by group (click on "Group" header"), and include nearly all casinos I have seen mentioned on these forums. Rogues and other high-risk casinos have warnings.

You don't have affiliate tags associated with the links to rogue/high risk casinos, do you?
 

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You don't have affiliate tags associated with the links to rogue/high risk casinos, do you?
In some cases, yes. In some cases, no. I have never received a commission from the more severe rogue casinos.

Rather than pretend rogue casinos do not exist, I choose to list the casinos with a summary of the possible risk, and let players decide for themselves. In some cases players may disagree with the warning or think the risk is worth the possible benefit. It is also useful to have a complete list of casinos for many reasons, including trying identify which casinos are in the same group. For example, I have a warning listed for all Fortune Lounge casinos due to the incident last year (locked thousands of accounts, confiscated winnings, etc) and related recent events. However, I still list them and have affiliate tags.
 
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In some cases, yes. In some cases, no. I have never received a commission from the more severe rogue casinos.

Rather than pretend rogue casinos do not exist, I choose to list the casinos with a summary of the possible risk, and let players decide for themselves. In some cases players may disagree with the warning or think the risk is worth the possible benefit. It is also useful to have a complete list of casinos for many reasons, including trying identify which casinos are in the same group. For example, I have a warning listed for all Fortune Lounge casinos due to the incident last year (locked thousands of accounts, confiscated winnings, etc) and related recent events. However, I still list them and have affiliate tags.

I guess we've had this conversation before, but I was under the impression then that you did not have affiliate tags... but I guess you just said you hadn't recieved payment. I am so freaking naive sometimes, I kill me.
Rogue is rogue, accomplice is accomplice, doncha think?
I give up, really.
 

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Rogue is rogue, accomplice is accomplice.

Actually it's quite an interesting discussion....do you ignore the rogues, not warn players but provide them no exposure. Or do you recognise them, expose them, but in doing so increase their exposure.

This thread is just one good case in point. If you don't know who owns who, then how do you know the rogues? It's why white labels are such a thorny issue with the anonymity aspect.

In general, I take the stance that if the information you provide is "factual" and not "promotional", or if it tells the truth about a rogue, then displaying it is a good thing. However if the text is clearly designed to tempt a player to play there, then it's the wrong thing to do and Lojo's "accomplice" argument is spot on. Showing a Rogue's bonus for example is wrong...unless it's accompanied by text explaining the trouble it can bring (if that's the case). But then there's the whole argument about defining "rogue". People are bound to have different opinions on how you define "rogue": ignorance, misguided decisions or deliberately deceitful? We've seen them all, but where do you draw the line? Answer is: everyone will draw it in one of several different places.

It's all about information and freedom of choice. If a player is stupid enough to risk a rogue after being told about them, well...you make your bed. It annoys me that people know but still go after the free money - it keeps these cowboys in business. But it's their call at the end of the day. Better the player have enough info to make an informed decision than to take the stance of certain politicians which ultimately says you're too stupid to make your own mind up so we'll do it for you!

I'm all for affiliates carrying rogue casinos. As long as they make it clear to the punter just what to expect and don't "promote" it. Education is important.

Adding the affiliate link into the equation...well...interesting. On the one hand you could argue as Lojo does that it makes you an accomplice, on the other you could argue that if the affiliate sends a player over with an affiliate tag, the rogue makes a good deal less than if the player had gone direct ;)
 

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Adding the affiliate link into the equation...well...interesting. On the one hand you could argue as Lojo does that it makes you an accomplice, on the other you could argue that if the affiliate sends a player over with an affiliate tag, the rogue makes a good deal less than if the player had gone direct :D

Bwahahahaha.... never looked at it that way :)
 

Simmo!

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Bwahahahaha.... never looked at it that way :)

LOL.

So there you go - my answer would be to encourage affiliates to show the rogues, point out their shortcomings, stop short of "promoting" them, add their affiliate links, and then at least the rogue doesn't see the full amount from any mugs stupid enough to go there. Where do I patent that idea? :D

The obvious risk being that they rip off the affiliate aswell ;)
 
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