How often have you gotten a royal flush at 3Dice?

[jshort]

I've been getting a little too hooked to this casinos "turbo" auto play mode, which when used on video poker, can get through about 3 hands in 2 seconds. Unfortunately the game pauses everytime you hit a flush or higher and I have to manually press the deal button again. This slows it down to about one hand played per second in the long run.

Anyway, several hours played and I've recieved one straight flush, but no royal. With odds of about 1 in 40,000 and a rate of play of 1 hand / sec, it should take about 11 hours to see one.

Does anyone else here play vp on turbo mode at 3Dice frequently? Does 11 hours of constant play sound right?

 

[dionysus]

Well, odds don't really work that way. Because something is around 1 in 40,000, doesnt mean you will see it in 40,000 hands. It means, each hand, if random, youve one chance in 40,000 to hit it.
Some people will never even see a royal flush in a lifetime, let alone a session.

 

[Diane]

Well, odds don't really work that way. Because something is around 1 in 40,000, doesnt mean you will see it in 40,000 hands. It means, each hand, if random, youve one chance in 40,000 to hit it.
Some people will never even see a royal flush in a lifetime, let alone a session.

Agree. I like to play the 50 hand or 100 hands at a time video poker. I have had 4 to a Royal dealt and missed all 50 or 100 hands several times.....not at 3Dice but at many different onlines sites and B&M.

I have probably hit 50+ Royals since I started playing.............but then that's many years.

Diane

 

[dcpam39]

I have had 10 royals (.10-1.00) in the past year: i have all of the photos, but i will only attach 1 for each denomination (the $1 royal file is too big for some reason-but it was for triple double bonus:

 

[jshort]

Well, odds don't really work that way. Because something is around 1 in 40,000, doesnt mean you will see it in 40,000 hands. It means, each hand, if random, youve one chance in 40,000 to hit it.
Some people will never even see a royal flush in a lifetime, let alone a session.

Sorry for the misunderstaning. Yes I do know how odds work (got a minor in stats).

Doing a quick calc shows that 99 percent of the time, a royalflush should be seen in 51 hours or less, assuming one uses turbo mode and the player is always present to manually restart auto-play each time.

Personally I think I've probably totalled less than 10 hours on the turbo. Before I started this thread, I was thinking it was longer than that perhaps. In anycase, good to see there are plenty of others hitting this jackpot. I always see screenshots of big slot wins, but not as many for vp, so its good to see their out there



Dcpam, nice!

Especially for that 2,500$ win on the Bonus DW! I imagined you jumped out of your seat when you saw that!

 

[Jasminebed]

I am not a hardcore VP player, but I do know that you can play at less than optimum strategy in order to play for a Royal Flush. Sometimes the difference in odds is quite small, and you sacrifice what autohold is correct as best play, because it is based on thousands and thousands of hands.

At 3Dice, I usually play some variant of Deuces Wild, and I've hit a couple of them in real. And I don't play a lot. I've played long enough at 3Dice though to see lots of players hit Royals in real on many different variants.

3Dice does have a wide variety of classic pokers, and I like the interface very much, much like the video terminals in the landbased here.

Oh, and under your autoplay settings (using the gear under the menu), you can set it to stop higher than a flush I believe.

 

[rockycatt]

ive gotten royal flushes there i think that 3 dice is the best spot on the internet for video poker :notworthy

 

[jshort]

Oh, and under your autoplay settings (using the gear under the menu), you can set it to stop higher than a flush I believe.

Nice, thanks for telling me this.

They do have a multitude of vp games and occasioanly I've fallen for Deuces Delux, but I usually just play JoB. All the others are less than 99 percent RTP I believe.

 

[weesie]

No royals but a few months ago I had 4 wild deuces 5 times in one week. Two were back to back for $600.00 each and others were various wager amounts.

It was on the game "Triple Pay"

I haven't even played it again because I figure I used up what luck I had in that game all in that one week!

 

[peteyweestro]

I guess i am one of the ones who will play all my life and never get a Royal on VP. I have been playing around 20 years online and never gotten one. Best i have ever gotten was straight flush.

 

[jshort]

I guess i am one of the ones who will play all my life and never get a Royal on VP. I have been playing around 20 years online and never gotten one. Best i have ever gotten was straight flush.

Sorry to hear. I still fear it happening to me. How many hours do do you put in per week? Some people are likely putting in thousands of hands per day. They'll get him quickly. With that said, 20 is looong time to be going cold!

 

[jshort]

Just wanted to update.

A couple days after starting this thread, I finally got my first RF on 3Dice! I appeared to be on one heck of a burner as shortly after wining that 400$ on a 50cent bet, I won about 420$ off another 50cent bet on the slot game Tutankhamon

 

[chuchu59]

I guess i am one of the ones who will play all my life and never get a Royal on VP. I have been playing around 20 years online and never gotten one. Best i have ever gotten was straight flush.

Petey,

I normally frown on people who give up so easily. I frequently encounter people who tell me they have no incentive to work hard as they will never be promoted anyway. However, gambling is a totally different thing. If you chase a Royal thinking your luck could change any minute it is akin to chasing losses and could lead you into a downward spiral. So I actually commend you on your thoughts that you resign yourself to not ever getting a royal. Who knows? Maybe you can have an occasional flutter on Joker Poker with 10 bucks and get a sequential royal. Just don't dream about getting one.

 

[jshort]

Petey,

I normally frown on people who give up so easily. I frequently encounter people who tell me they have no incentive to work hard as they will never be promoted anyway. However, gambling is a totally different thing. If you chase a Royal thinking your luck could change any minute it is akin to chasing losses and could lead you into a downward spiral. So I actually commend you on your thoughts that you resign yourself to not ever getting a royal. Who knows? Maybe you can have an occasional flutter on Joker Poker with 10 bucks and get a sequential royal. Just don't dream about getting one.

On the other hand, if he's willing to potentially blow about 2300$ he could put his cursed luck to the test on 3Dice!

Setting the turbo auto-play mode to stop on nothing but the RF, if he didn't get one in 41 hours, then he's in the bottom 1 percentile.

 

[itsblitz]

Sorry for the misunderstaning. Yes I do know how odds work (got a minor in stats).

Doing a quick calc shows that 99 percent of the time, a royalflush should be seen in 51 hours or less, assuming one uses turbo mode and the player is always present to manually restart auto-play each time.

Personally I think I've probably totalled less than 10 hours on the turbo. Before I started this thread, I was thinking it was longer than that perhaps. In anycase, good to see there are plenty of others hitting this jackpot. I always see screenshots of big slot wins, but not as many for vp, so its good to see their out there



Dcpam, nice!

Especially for that 2,500$ win on the Bonus DW! I imagined you jumped out of your seat when you saw that!

Sorry if this has been explained or if iv misunderstood, but are you applying land based odds to online video poker? it doesnt work like that..
Think of it the same way an online slot machine works, on rng.. working out the odds of hitting a jackpot win would be impossible imho
Please correct me if im talking out of my arse

 

[jshort]

Sorry if this has been explained or if iv misunderstood, but are you applying land based odds to online video poker? it doesnt work like that..
Think of it the same way an online slot machine works, on rng.. working out the odds of hitting a jackpot win would be impossible imho
Please correct me if im talking out of my arse

I believe your talking out of your arse

The exact odds depends on your strategy, but if your playing anything close to optimal then the odds of hitting a RF on any single hand is about 1 in 40,000. Both land based casinos and online ones use an RNG.

 

[Nifty29]

The only reason I don't play VP at 3Dice is the lower TRTP.

Versions like DDB and their All Aces variant have terrible paytables. All the others seem to be pretty ordinary too.

MGS have the best version of VP...All Aces which is 99.5%+.

Unfortunately, if you play VP at 3Dice, you're getting a bum deal. Sad really, as I would certainly play there if they matched MGS and RTG.

 

[jshort]

The only reason I don't play VP at 3Dice is the lower TRTP.

Versions like DDB and their All Aces variant have terrible paytables. All the others seem to be pretty ordinary too.

MGS have the best version of VP...All Aces which is 99.5%+.

Unfortunately, if you play VP at 3Dice, you're getting a bum deal. Sad really, as I would certainly play there if they matched MGS and RTG.

Agreed. For me the only reason I play there is because I find the fast auto-play entertaining. I usually just play 9/6 JoB. If I'm playing at MG I'll play moslty ALL-ACES (99.91 RTP) or if a bonus is in play, then Level-Up JoB (99.79 RTP).

 

[rshkrn]

haven't played VP yet, but always wanted to...a basic question here...

do you hold 2-3 cards to the RF, especially if there's a pair..??

 

[Nifty29]

Agreed. For me the only reason I play there is because I find the fast auto-play entertaining. I usually just play 9/6 JoB. If I'm playing at MG I'll play moslty ALL-ACES (99.91 RTP) or if a bonus is in play, then Level-Up JoB (99.79 RTP).

I don't play level up any more.

I've seen something I didn't like.

There is a bug where sometimes the first or second level freezes, and you have to close the game and restart. Trouble is, it does NOT return to the state you left it. Instead, it plays ahead without you making any decisions, sometimes right to the top. Now, something about that bothers me terribly. Everyone knows I'm not one to shout "rigged"...and I'm not here....but something about taking VP hold choices out of my hands and playing several levels automatically suggests that it MIGHT know the final winnings amount BEFORE the first hand is dealt i.e. predetermined.

I don't know for sure, so I put my money where my mouth is and avoid it like the plague. It might appear to pay 99.6%, but I'm not convinced it is entirely random. It MIGHT be, but since I'm not 100%, I don't play it.

 

[peteyweestro]

Petey,

I normally frown on people who give up so easily. I frequently encounter people who tell me they have no incentive to work hard as they will never be promoted anyway. However, gambling is a totally different thing. If you chase a Royal thinking your luck could change any minute it is akin to chasing losses and could lead you into a downward spiral. So I actually commend you on your thoughts that you resign yourself to not ever getting a royal. Who knows? Maybe you can have an occasional flutter on Joker Poker with 10 bucks and get a sequential royal. Just don't dream about getting one.

Hey thanks for that post, i haven't been playing in a long while due to finances, but now i recently lost my job of over 6 years and my family is about to be homeless unless some donations come in so i don't see me playing online or anywhere for a long time.

 

[jshort]

I don't play level up any more.

I've seen something I didn't like.

There is a bug where sometimes the first or second level freezes, and you have to close the game and restart. Trouble is, it does NOT return to the state you left it. Instead, it plays ahead without you making any decisions, sometimes right to the top. Now, something about that bothers me terribly. Everyone knows I'm not one to shout "rigged"...and I'm not here....but something about taking VP hold choices out of my hands and playing several levels automatically suggests that it MIGHT know the final winnings amount BEFORE the first hand is dealt i.e. predetermined.

I don't know for sure, so I put my money where my mouth is and avoid it like the plague. It might appear to pay 99.6%, but I'm not convinced it is entirely random. It MIGHT be, but since I'm not 100%, I don't play it.

I've had that happen to me too. Actually it happened just yesterday! It's a loss and if I were wagering a lot I'd probably complain, but its very infrequent and my wagers are usually 2$.

The idea that this game is sometimes intentionally frozen to avoid a predetermined big win sounds like a stretch. I agree though that a player should follow the philosophy of "IF MIGHT BE RIGGED, THEN DON'T PLAY!!" You mentioned you saw the TRTP was 99.6%, yes? Depending on the sample size that could be reasonable. Was that a one month figure? Was this your personal TRTP, or was it the avg for all players at the casino for a given month? When you compare to your favorite vp game ALL-ACES, is the discrepency between the TRTP and RTP larger for Level-Up??? This would be the biggest hint for fraudulent activities going on.

 

[itsblitz]

I believe your talking out of your arse

The exact odds depends on your strategy, but if your playing anything close to optimal then the odds of hitting a RF on any single hand is about 1 in 40,000. Both land based casinos and online ones use an RNG.

I was always under the impression that online video poker would work very much the same as a slot..
Do you mean the online video pokers RNG comp really does randomly select a combination of 5 cards with each card value having as much chance of coming up as another, a nine of clubs has the same odds of coming up as a three of hearts??
..or a straight flush 4,5,6,7,8 clubs has the same odd of coming in as a royal straight flush of hearts????

I have always thought of the 5 cards on the video poker screen being like the middle payline of a 5 reel slot machine

 

[jshort]

I was always under the impression that online video poker would work very much the same as a slot..
Do you mean the online video pokers RNG comp really does randomly select a combination of 5 cards with each card value having as much chance of coming up as another, a nine of clubs has the same odds of coming up as a three of hearts??
..or a straight flush 4,5,6,7,8 clubs has the same odd of coming in as a royal straight flush of hearts????

I have always thought of the 5 cards on the video poker screen being like the middle payline of a 5 reel slot machine

The RNG for a vp game simulates drawing 5 cards from a randomly shuffled 52 card deck. You pick which cards you want to hold and those held cards are removed from the deck. The cards that aren't held go back into the deck and cards are again drawn untill until you have a five card hand.

None of the cards are weighted, so each of the 52 have an equal chance of being drawn. On a slot machine, some symbols can be weighted.

 

[Balthazar]

Isn't playing thousands of hands of VP in turbo mode just begging to get the TRTP ASAP and making sure that you lose money? There's a point where it's no longer gambling and it becomes mathematics.

Your chance of making money after a thousand hands is still there. After 50,000 though, not so much.

 

[jshort]

Isn't playing thousands of hands of VP in turbo mode just begging to get the TRTP ASAP and making sure that you lose money? There's a point where it's no longer gambling and it becomes mathematics.

Your chance of making money after a thousand hands is still there. After 50,000 though, not so much.

More like after 500,000 not so much, but I get your point. On any given day or week, your still not going to be playing enough hands for the results to normalize to the RTP unless your running it 24/7. For me personally, I just wanted to get at least one RF as I had never got one on any casino anywhere except Bodog which was months ago. I knew my best chances would be on 3Dice as nowhere else on the internet can one play as many as 4000+ hands/hour (at least not that I'm aware of).

Other people might use to accumate loyalty points faster to ascend the ranks more quickly. APers would want to use it if playing with an SUB because it saves time and vp is a high variance game.

 

[rockycatt]

The RNG for a vp game simulates drawing 5 cards from a randomly shuffled 52 card deck. Yuntill until you have a five card hand.
ou pick which cards you want to hold and those held cards are removed from the deck. The cards that aren't held go back into the deck and cards are again drawn
None of the cards are weighted, so each of the 52 have an equal chance of being drawn. On a slot machine, some symbols can be weighted.

are you saying that a person can get back the cards that they discarded

 

[jshort]

are you saying that a person can get back the cards that they discarded

Yes. It's pretty frustrating when it happens

 

[rockycatt]

Yes. It's pretty frustrating when it happens

i don't remember that ever happening i've been under the impression that just like a real game they go into the discard pile till the next hand

 

[jshort]

i don't remember that ever happening i've been under the impression that just like a real game they go into the discard pile till the next hand

Let me get back to you. I don't think there is a discard pile, but its been so long since I read the exact rules.

Edit: Yes your right. Thanks for the correction

 

[Balthazar]

More like after 500,000 not so much, but I get your point.

It's probably way less than that. You can get fairly close to the TRTP on a slot after a few hundred thousand spins (it's been done many times here), and slots' volatility is usually way higher than VP.

Not saying you'd get the exact figure after 50k hands, but you'd more than likely end up within a few % to the actual TRTP.

If you're doing it with a bonus or for comps, I can understand I guess.

 

[jshort]

It's probably way less than that. You can get fairly close to the TRTP on a slot after a few hundred thousand spins (it's been done many times here), and slots' volatility is usually way higher than VP.

Not saying you'd get the exact figure after 50k hands, but you'd more than likely end up within a few % to the actual TRTP.

If you're doing it with a bonus or for comps, I can understand I guess.

You'd get within a few percent, sure. The RF occurs 1 in 40,000, so after 50,000 spins is a slightly better than even that one has been hit. If it hasn't, then return is likely to be around 97.5 instead of 99.5.

 

[jshort]

Got another RF today!

I almost feel like Diane did that day when she won over 10 grand!.........Err, on the negative I suffered a bit of a losing streak afterwards and lost about half of my 400$ winnings. Then I found out there is a 30$ withdrawal fee . Hopefully OKPAY doesn't hate Canadians the same way Skrill and Neteller do and I'll be able to save myself some withdrawing costs in the future.

 

[nisosbar]

I got one once in play mode. I got a straight flush in real mode, but that's the closest I've ever gotten to a RF in real. :-(

 

[jshort]

I got one once in play mode. I got a straight flush in real mode, but that's the closest I've ever gotten to a RF in real. :-(

You could try playing as cheap as 10cents / hand. Your payoff would be un-proportionally reduced because your not playing 5 coins, however assuming 4000+ hands / hr, you'd likely get one after 11 hours, for a cost which is affordable.

Does anyone else know any other online casinos that have a super fast auto-play feature for vp?

 

[KasinoKing]

I was always under the impression that online video poker would work very much the same as a slot..
Do you mean the online video pokers RNG comp really does randomly select a combination of 5 cards with each card value having as much chance of coming up as another, a nine of clubs has the same odds of coming up as a three of hearts??

IMHO most (NOT ALL) online slots work like that too.
i.e. Every symbol on the reel-strip of each reel has exactly the same chance of landing on win-line 1 of the slot.

There are notable exceptions of course; all AWPs are NOT truly random and I'm pretty sure brands like IGT, WMS, Novo etc (the well-known land-based brands) also are "compensated" or "weighted" slots.

KK

 

[Balthazar]

I'm pretty sure brands like IGT, WMS, Novo etc (the well-known land-based brands) also are "compensated" or "weighted" slots.

They aren't (as they'd be illegal in B&M casinos here since compensated games are strictly prohibited by law). The difference between them and, say, MGS, is on each spin the RNG picks the OUTCOME and then stops the reels to match it, as opposed to the RNG picking the REEL STOP and then working out the outcome from there.

WMS: RNG ---> WIN/LOSE ----> REEL STOP
MGS: RNG ---> REEL STOP ----> WIN/LOSE


That's also why the reel strips are irrelevant for WMS/IGT slots but you can use them to find the TRTP of MGS slots.

 

[itsblitz]

How are wins decided during free spin features?
Using these slots as examples

Microgaming- Thunderstruck 15 spins x 3 multiplier
IGT - Wild Wolf - 5 spins
Playtech - Dr Love - 20 spins x 2 multiplier

I thought that the total win would be decided when you trigger the scatter.. The spins you see after already being decided
This is incorrect?

 

[jshort]

That's also why the reel strips are irrelevant for WMS/IGT slots but you can use them to find the TRTP of MGS slots.

Determining the TRTP using this method could only be done on some MGS slots yes? I mean if some are weighted, then you'd have to
determine the weighing first via experimentation and guess work? After that, one would have to determine whether or not the appearance or weighing
of symbols on the further reels (ie the 3rd, 4th or 5th) is influenced by what symbols have appeared on the reels before it?