Has Warren Cloud passed on?

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Here's one for the books - not yet confirmed but strong reports from several quarters indicate that Warren Cloud has met his maker.

One of RTG's biggest online casino operators, he is reported to have succumbed to a heart attack whilst out on a boat off the shores of Ibiza, Spain late Saturday evening.

The South African online gambling businessman used several aliases and was also known as "Don Fortune," "Richard Brooks" or "Oliver Curran" to many. He eventually became the biggest and most successful of the Real Time Gaming casino operators with venues like Crystal Palace and many others.

Starting in South Africa with an online casino powered by Korean software, Cloud was not initially successful and left many players unpaid when he relocated elsewhere, first to Australia and then London. However, he became very successful - although with a questionable reputation - after he started using RTG software and based his operations in Costa Rica.

That success was so pronounced that he at one stage contemplated launching an IPO on the London AIM market worth GBP 120 million. This did not materialise, however.

Often at the centre of controversial decisions to the detriment of individual players, leading to major disputes, Cloud has in recent times been low profile, leading to speculation that he may have retired despite his relatively young age. He leaves a widow and one child.
 
If this is true, it's a real tragedy. Even though we didn't see things eye to eye concerning running a casino, he had a family and a young daughter he loved very much. My condolences go out to them.
 
Here's one for the books - not yet confirmed but strong reports from several quarters indicate that Warren Cloud has met his maker.

Several quarters? Could you name them? I've found nothing in Johannesburg or Ibiza news sources about this. This is just being reported in gambling portals, and every one is basically either quoting or outright copying the 911 report...and I wouldn't trust Sting if he told me water was wet.
 
Yes its sad that he died. My condolences aswell.
Are all rtg casinos that were run by curran now closing down? I have recieved emails from silversands, powerbet, and 1 other casino that is run by him to be closing down, do you have any info on this bryan?

-kavaman
 
i received emails from royal circus,powerbet,silver sands and crystal casinos stating all closing down .


It is with great regret and a heavy heart that we announce that
our Casino will be closing on July 31, 2008.

If you currently have a balance with the casino, please either
play out your balance or withdraw your balance before our closing date.

Please note, if you have received a bonus, the wagering requirements
are still in place for all bonuses as well as redeemed/comp points.

As a matter of goodwill, all players that are not able to playthrough
their credits or cash out their withdrawable balance by July 31 will
still be able to contact our customer service center 14 days after the
closing date to request credits to be cashed out, should they have met
wager requirements.

All funds remaining in casino accounts after July 31 will be retained by the casino.

We hope that you have enjoyed your time with us as much as we have enjoyed having you at.

Sincerely
Oliver Curran
Toll Free US: 1800 824 3175



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this is one of the emails i received.

pevangel
 
While I absolutely hated how he treated his customers, I am sorry to hear he has passed. My condolences to his family and friends... heart attacks in your 30's are becoming more and more common... really makes ya wonder. Perhaps the guilt of how he made his millions was too much for his heart to bear.
 
Oliver Curran is the casino manager - always has been. Just like Ryan Hartley is the casino manager at Intercasino, etc. I still don't know why people insist it's one in the same person. It's not. I know this for a fact and have stated this ad nauseum.
 
Oliver Curran is the casino manager - always has been. Just like Ryan Hartley is the casino manager at Intercasino, etc. I still don't know why people insist it's one in the same person. It's not. I know this for a fact and have stated this ad nauseum.

I thought I read that Oliver Curran was another name for Warren Cloud some time back and Jetset's article link states:
The 34-year-old, who died after suffering a massive heart attack on his boat off the coast of Spain, used several aliases, including Don Fortune , Richard Brooks and Oliver Curran , in a career some in the industry called chequered.
 
I thought I read that Oliver Curran was another name for Warren Cloud some time back and Jetset's article link states:

No. He came up with the name when creating his manager persona. Many casinos do this. They create a name to be used by the "real" casino manager so that they can have a "named" manager during the entire casino's lifetime. It's a pseudonym - most casinos practice the same. It's not too often that people use their real names as casino managers.

The casino rep in this forum - Oliver Curran - belongs to the person who was charged with managing the casino. Warren and he were two different persons; Warren had a separate account here. There were also different "Currans" over the years I'm pretty sure. Warren did use the other aliases posting at WOL I believe, and in some earlier emails. Mr. X was my favorite persona though. We had some colorful exchanges bask then :p
 
No. He came up with the name when creating his manager persona. Many casinos do this. They create a name to be used by the "real" casino manager so that they can have a "named" manager during the entire casino's lifetime. It's a pseudonym - most casinos practice the same. It's not too often that people use their real names as casino managers.

Oh, ok. Just like Agent 007- Bond, James Bond....different guys, same character. :cool:
 
That article implies it is RTG that is telling players they have until 31st July to remove funds or risk them being confiscated. This shows how little RTG care about players, they seem happy to have player's funds arbitrarily confiscated soon after one of it's licencees shuts up shop.
RTG have also lost their biggest customer, and if many players see funds confiscated over this, the future success of RTG and it's casinos could be threatened. If any operator takes over the Crystal Palace stable, they will be besieged by players wanting their funds reinstated before they even consider being customers of any new operator.
 
Interesting!!!
Actually, I should rephrase that to "many casinos" - "most" would be exagerating a little. :p

Interesting - well maybe not as mush as you imagine. Many companies have personas that are imaginary people - yet someone fills their shoes (Ronald McDonald, Uncle Ben, Aunt Jimima, hell I think "Dear Abby" had some stand-ins as well :D)

Mildly interesting, they can only do that where they don't have to attain a real gaming license from a real gaming authority
It has nothing to do with licensing. There are businesses that practice this that are in real licensing jurisdictions.

Very good point VWM, that group was one of the gold mines for RTG, this may be the last straw, I don't think they can stay afloat with just inetbet anymore
Perhaps these players will venture to other RTGs. Still there are many to choose from. Should be an interesting transition.

Has club world fallen foul, just no mention i thought it would be straight up there with inetbet......
No, no, no. This thread is about Warren Cloud and the demise of his empire. Nothing to do with Club World, iNetBet, or any of the other RTGs listed here. :D
 
They create a name to be used by the "real" casino manager so that they can have a "named" manager during the entire casino's lifetime. It's a pseudonym - most casinos practice the same. It's not too often that people use their real names as casino managers.

Right, that's cool.

It's just like Ronald McDonald. If you order a cheeseburger and they accidentally debit your card 20k too much than you can just ask for "Ronald McDonald, the general manager" and they will promptly find someone to take care of you. You can rest assured that your 20k is safe because a highly accountable, corporate PR cartoon clown is going to straighten things out.


In this way the use of aliases acts like a variable. Instead of citing a specific general manager's name, you can use the variable "Ronald McDonald" which can store anyone's name, or even no one's name at all. That way the customers don't have to know any unecessary details about the people who may end up with truckloads of their money, by accident. It's really another measure that casinos like this take for your own protection, you know, to stop terrorism and money laundering, stuff like that.

Casinos like Carbonpoker.com and Crystal Palace group know that by using aliases and lying about where they're located, making it impossible for anyone but skilled investigators to find out, that they are protecting their players from abuse and fraud.

This altruistic effort entails significant hardships for the casinos. Just imagine how difficult it might be if your name was John Smith and you were from Brisbane Australia, to create a casino run by a guy named Shane Puentes but that "guy" is actually an entity, a Bermudan corporation that owns a web development firm in the Bahamas that runs servers remotely from some indian reservation near Quebec and has a "license" in Costa Rica but whose principals are bound by Cayman law because Oliver Curran ltd., the casino manager, is the majority shareholder in Shane Puentes but it's a tax exempt high school sports charity run out of a Cayman shell bank.

I'll bet your local barber wouldn't go through all that just in the name of customer service, would he? That's because people who run web casinos like these know what real customer service is all about.
 
Right, that's cool.

It's really another measure that casinos like this take for your own protection, you know, to stop terrorism and money laundering, stuff like that.

Casinos like Carbonpoker.com and Crystal Palace group know that by using aliases and lying about where they're located, making it impossible for anyone but skilled investigators to find out, that they are protecting their players from abuse and fraud.

That's because people who run web casinos like these know what real customer service is all about.


:lolup::lolup::lolup::lolup::lolup::lolup::lolup:

Very well said
 
Well now I don't know if Warren Cloud and Oliver Curran are one of the same people or two different people. Even if he is one of the same, my heart goes out to his family. He got around the World and made the "Coupon Code" well known throughout the gambling world. If nothing else, that is one of the few things that can travel around the World faster than anything else. All it takes is for one person to post a Coupon Code and lo and behold, The People's Replubic of North Korea has gotten it. One strange thing about all the casino's closing is that I just received an email from Silver Oak Casino (which I never heard about), indicating that they were thanking me for being patient while the revamp their casino, and to log in with my username are receive a $50 free chip. The only problem is that they didn't say what was the name of the casino before the changed it. I just downloaded and registered a new account, got the $50 free chip. Maybe the Meister can check it out. Here is the web page: www.silveroakcasino.com

Thanks
 
Very interesting :thumbsup: - the design of Silver Oak has similarities with Catseye Casino discussed elsewhere here and an ex-Cloud operation.
 
If this is true, it's a real tragedy. Even though we didn't see things eye to eye concerning running a casino, he had a family and a young daughter he loved very much. My condolences go out to them.

My condolences also to his wife and small child and I'm sure a real tragedy in their eyes but Karma is a real bitch as a lot of you know...what goes around...comes around, sooner or later !

How many good folks do you think that he gave chest pains to or actually caused worse health problems with them worrying about whether or not they would get their money from this crook or not, this guy gave a new meaning to the word Rogue and he still owes me money to this day that I wrote off a long time ago...:rolleyes:

I guess now would be a good time to make a claim against his estate but I'm sure I would have to stand in a long line of others doing the same...a real class act this guy was, I'm actually surprised it was a heart attack that got him and not a bullet !
 
It's a pseudonym - most casinos practice the same. It's not too often that people use their real names as casino managers.

Happens outside gambling too..I came across it in a financial call centre once. The logic being that because customer relationships were very important, they wanted to show continuity as staff moved on. And the Ronald MacDonald example isn't far away either - continuity by means of a mascot rather than a celebrity. Aside from which it wouldn't be great PR if the celebrity died from food poisoning, while any number of people who reside in the Ronald suit can die of it, no problem. Although who would pay for a Maccy D's cheeseburger by credit card MJ? ;)
 
Very interesting :thumbsup: - the design of Silver Oak has similarities with Catseye Casino discussed elsewhere here and an ex-Cloud operation.

I have just received a spam from "silver oak", and it has the entire stable named.

Planet7
GoldStream
PharaohsGold
LuckyPalm
CatsEye
Ringmaster
RoyalAce
CaptainJack

I am told I can claim a 160% bonus at ALL OF THEM!!!!!!!!

Claim your exclusive 160% BONUS at ALL of the casinos listed below between Friday July 18th and Thursday July 24th and with your first 20 deposits in EACH CASINO you'll AUTOMATICALLY qualify for 160% ABSOLUTELY FREE!!


I also noticed this:-

1ST - 7TH of each Month 100% BONUS
UP TO $15,000 1MONTH7
8TH - 14TH of each Month 120% BONUS
UP TO $18,000 8MONTH14
15TH - 21ST of each Month 140% BONUS
UP TO $21,000 15MONTH21
22ND - End of each Month 160% BONUS
UP TO $24,000 22MONTHEND

That has old Warren Cloud written all over it. I remember this with Crystal Palace, bonuses of huge amounts as above $15K to 24K, and this is ON TOP of my free 160% on my first 20 deposits at EACH CASINO!!!!


This looks like the Crystal Palace group have shut down, and immediately we see 8 "new" casinos come on to the scene, complete with marketing and (supposedly) enough backing to be able to give away such MASSIVE bonuses.

Anybody, even if they knew about the rogue status of the now defunct Crystal Palace group, would think these were new casinos (well, they are). They will have NO negative press in Google, nor on many websites.

I suspect this is a company that has cut & run from existing liabilities, only to resurface afresh, owing no debt to creditors of the past entity, but actually being that past entity in all but name. This is rather like those rogue double glazing and conservatory companies.

I had an account at Crystal Palace, and this has got me onto the list for this "special" invite from "Alexander Cheadle", the manager of Silver Oak, and who seems to speak for all 8 of them.
 
I have just received a spam from "silver oak", and it has the entire stable named.

Planet7
GoldStream
PharaohsGold
LuckyPalm
CatsEye
Ringmaster
RoyalAce
CaptainJack

I am told I can claim a 160% bonus at ALL OF THEM!!!!!!!!




I also noticed this:-



That has old Warren Cloud written all over it. I remember this with Crystal Palace, bonuses of huge amounts as above $15K to 24K, and this is ON TOP of my free 160% on my first 20 deposits at EACH CASINO!!!!


This looks like the Crystal Palace group have shut down, and immediately we see 8 "new" casinos come on to the scene, complete with marketing and (supposedly) enough backing to be able to give away such MASSIVE bonuses.

Anybody, even if they knew about the rogue status of the now defunct Crystal Palace group, would think these were new casinos (well, they are). They will have NO negative press in Google, nor on many websites.

I suspect this is a company that has cut & run from existing liabilities, only to resurface afresh, owing no debt to creditors of the past entity, but actually being that past entity in all but name. This is rather like those rogue double glazing and conservatory companies.

I had an account at Crystal Palace, and this has got me onto the list for this "special" invite from "Alexander Cheadle", the manager of Silver Oak, and who seems to speak for all 8 of them.




VWM, see here https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/any-informations-about-catseye-casino.25787/

Bottom line is (and this is not confirmed yet although some believe) Cloud's Doleplex Group was purchased, in whole or part, by Virtual Casino Group.
 
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VWM, see here https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/any-informations-about-catseye-casino.25787/

Bottom line is (and this is not confirmed yet although some believe) Cloud's Doleplex Group was purchased, in whole or part, by Virtual Casino Group.

Just looked. I would like to thank the CS rep that let all the cat's out of the bag in one go. Such honest answers, so she has to be new at Virtual:D

This is interesting, given that players were SUPPOSED to have until JULY 31st to finish off playthrough & withdraw at the old Crystal Palace group - how can this EVER have been so, they are already closed and reopened with new names, and zero balances too I expect.
There was a clear intention to deceive players into believing these casinos were new, and had nothing to do with "rogue" existing groups. This would have given virtual group the opportunity to scam vast deposits from hapless players fooled into claiming their 160% on 20 deposits x 8 "new" casinos, as well as their monthly boni, around 40K per casino during this month. I presume this was intended to make a fast buck before the truth came out that these "new" casinos were really the number 2 rogues having been taken over by the number 1 rogues.

RTG simply nodded this deception through without question - so it is not only players they don't care about, they are aiding and abetting a deception by one of it's biggest licencees intended to "scam" a new batch of players, as well a taking a second bite from those poor buggers already screwed over by Crystal Palace group.

These 8 "new" casinos should get an automatic pass into the rogue pit, and now we know which group to put them under.

Now, a whip round for that honest CS rep - bet she will be out of a job by now;)
 
I have just received a spam from "silver oak", and it has the entire stable named.

Planet7
GoldStream
PharaohsGold
LuckyPalm
CatsEye
Ringmaster
RoyalAce
CaptainJack

I am told I can claim a 160% bonus at ALL OF THEM!!!!!!!!




I also noticed this:-



That has old Warren Cloud written all over it. I remember this with Crystal Palace, bonuses of huge amounts as above $15K to 24K, and this is ON TOP of my free 160% on my first 20 deposits at EACH CASINO!!!!


This looks like the Crystal Palace group have shut down, and immediately we see 8 "new" casinos come on to the scene, complete with marketing and (supposedly) enough backing to be able to give away such MASSIVE bonuses.

Anybody, even if they knew about the rogue status of the now defunct Crystal Palace group, would think these were new casinos (well, they are). They will have NO negative press in Google, nor on many websites.

I suspect this is a company that has cut & run from existing liabilities, only to resurface afresh, owing no debt to creditors of the past entity, but actually being that past entity in all but name. This is rather like those rogue double glazing and conservatory companies.

I had an account at Crystal Palace, and this has got me onto the list for this "special" invite from "Alexander Cheadle", the manager of Silver Oak, and who seems to speak for all 8 of them.


What would be the best thing for one if he owes tons of money to the thousands of ppl? I think it would be that everybody think that he is not alive anymore...;)
 
What would be the best thing for one if he owes tons of money to the thousands of ppl? I think it would be that everybody think that he is not alive anymore...;)

This is unlikely. Warren Cloud died off the coast of Spain, and there had to have been a body to diagnose "heart attack". He supposedly had nothing to do with his old empire, having concentrated on operations in South Africa. Clearly, this was not true, and he had sufficient connections with his old group for his death to cause them to be killed off. It seems they have not just rebranded, but been bought out by virtual group, who are even more rogue than Warren Cloud's operations used to be. This would allow Virtual access to the player base at the old Doleplex casinos, and they have wasted no time in using it to send out the spam for the new casinos.

It seems problems have begun already, with players downloading these "new" casinos and being caught out with "duplicate accounts" through having an account under the old Doleplex name, yet this information is deliberately concealed - so players have no way of knowing whether they might have existing accounts or not. This will pave the way for confiscation of winnings from players that do start to play at these new casinos, and win overall for the first time, only to find they get only their original deposits back (a common virtual trick). The other Virtual trick is where they have a max cashout even when players have not taken a bonus, on the grounds they have had more bonuses than they have deposited, always true where bonuses are all over 100%, and offered on every deposit. The added trick is that now they can use "secret history" from bonuses and deposits under the old Doleplex name to pull this trick with the new casinos.

With the massive bonuses on offer during July, I am sure August will be a month of complaints about these new operations, and we will have to remind these poor souls that they have been playing at Virtual group casinos, and will have quite a struggle to get paid.
 
MaxD. Hope you had a restful and fun break/vacation/holiday! Sounds like the next few months are going to be busy.............

FWIW, Danielle (the CS who "spilled the beans") is an old timer at Virtual, if that is really the same person;)
 
Well, ok, fallin on the sword again! Kakata you know it is no secret that I played (and deposited) at this group for many years.........Just because of my recent epiphany I still remember CS Danielle:rolleyes: You little twerp............how ya doing? :D

Great now that I talked to you.....sweeeeeeeety:D
Since I dont know the word "Twerp" would you mind to explain.???.......
Hope is a compliment...lol
 
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This is unlikely. Warren Cloud died off the coast of Spain, and there had to have been a body to diagnose "heart attack". He supposedly had nothing to do with his old empire, having concentrated on operations in South Africa. Clearly, this was not true, and he had sufficient connections with his old group for his death to cause them to be killed off. It seems they have not just rebranded, but been bought out by virtual group, who are even more rogue than Warren Cloud's operations used to be. This would allow Virtual access to the player base at the old Doleplex casinos, and they have wasted no time in using it to send out the spam for the new casinos.

It seems problems have begun already, with players downloading these "new" casinos and being caught out with "duplicate accounts" through having an account under the old Doleplex name, yet this information is deliberately concealed - so players have no way of knowing whether they might have existing accounts or not. This will pave the way for confiscation of winnings from players that do start to play at these new casinos, and win overall for the first time, only to find they get only their original deposits back (a common virtual trick). The other Virtual trick is where they have a max cashout even when players have not taken a bonus, on the grounds they have had more bonuses than they have deposited, always true where bonuses are all over 100%, and offered on every deposit. The added trick is that now they can use "secret history" from bonuses and deposits under the old Doleplex name to pull this trick with the new casinos.

With the massive bonuses on offer during July, I am sure August will be a month of complaints about these new operations, and we will have to remind these poor souls that they have been playing at Virtual group casinos, and will have quite a struggle to get paid.

This is what I believe. The name Warren Cloud is fictional. Therefore his death can be wrote off anyway he pleases. I remember reading earlier this year, where he sold all his stake in the casino business. He made plenty, plenty of money. Remember the cars he was bidding on Ebay? I think he paid off most of his BIG investors. And now disappeared from the scene as Mr Cloud. These new group of casinos was bought from him earlier on. And after all the paper work and license expires on Mr. Cloud behave. He can now die off and Never worrying about traveling aboard. The character is Dead and the Real person lives on.
 
This is what I believe. The name Warren Cloud is fictional. Therefore his death can be wrote off anyway he pleases. I remember reading earlier this year, where he sold all his stake in the casino business. He made plenty, plenty of money. Remember the cars he was bidding on Ebay? I think he paid off most of his BIG investors. And now disappeared from the scene as Mr Cloud. These new group of casinos was bought from him earlier on. And after all the paper work and license expires on Mr. Cloud behave. He can now die off and Never worrying about traveling aboard. The character is Dead and the Real person lives on.

Warren Cloud is (or was) real enough alright. I think Bryan can attest to that having actually met the guy.
 
Warren Cloud is (or was) real enough alright. I think Bryan can attest to that having actually met the guy.

Im sure he was a real guy...We see actors all the time from sitcoms and still refer to them by their stage name. Warren Cloud real name could be John McDubya Bush. While Warren is dead but John is still alive.
 
This is what I believe. The name Warren Cloud is fictional. Therefore his death can be wrote off anyway he pleases. I remember reading earlier this year, where he sold all his stake in the casino business. He made plenty, plenty of money. Remember the cars he was bidding on Ebay? I think he paid off most of his BIG investors. And now disappeared from the scene as Mr Cloud. These new group of casinos was bought from him earlier on. And after all the paper work and license expires on Mr. Cloud behave. He can now die off and Never worrying about traveling aboard. The character is Dead and the Real person lives on.

This is what bothers me. He had divested himself of his interests in Doleplex, but somehow his death triggers the demise of Doleplex. It could be that Virtual has been running these casinos for some while, and had to fess up once Mr Cloud passed on, so they have rebranded them for a fresh start, but have had to tell existing players about what happened.
I have now been told my account at Silver Oak has been made available, with a $50 free chip and the most generous offer of 20x 160% bonuses each one up to $24,000 - $480,000 free if I was daft enough to take them all - beats even those crazy offers from them in the past.

This confirms Silver Oak = former Crystal Palace. Others have worked out what the old and new versions of the others are. I hope Bryan has amended the entry in the rogue pit to reflect this change of ownership & rebranding:D

Virtual might as well buy up RTG itself the rate they are going.
 

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