Has Warren Cloud passed on?

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Has club world fallen foul, just no mention i thought it would be straight up there with inetbet......
 

Casinomeister

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Interesting!!!
Actually, I should rephrase that to "many casinos" - "most" would be exagerating a little. :p

Interesting - well maybe not as mush as you imagine. Many companies have personas that are imaginary people - yet someone fills their shoes (Ronald McDonald, Uncle Ben, Aunt Jimima, hell I think "Dear Abby" had some stand-ins as well :D)

Mildly interesting, they can only do that where they don't have to attain a real gaming license from a real gaming authority
It has nothing to do with licensing. There are businesses that practice this that are in real licensing jurisdictions.

Very good point VWM, that group was one of the gold mines for RTG, this may be the last straw, I don't think they can stay afloat with just inetbet anymore
Perhaps these players will venture to other RTGs. Still there are many to choose from. Should be an interesting transition.

Has club world fallen foul, just no mention i thought it would be straight up there with inetbet......
No, no, no. This thread is about Warren Cloud and the demise of his empire. Nothing to do with Club World, iNetBet, or any of the other RTGs listed here. :D
 

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They create a name to be used by the "real" casino manager so that they can have a "named" manager during the entire casino's lifetime. It's a pseudonym - most casinos practice the same. It's not too often that people use their real names as casino managers.

Right, that's cool.

It's just like Ronald McDonald. If you order a cheeseburger and they accidentally debit your card 20k too much than you can just ask for "Ronald McDonald, the general manager" and they will promptly find someone to take care of you. You can rest assured that your 20k is safe because a highly accountable, corporate PR cartoon clown is going to straighten things out.


In this way the use of aliases acts like a variable. Instead of citing a specific general manager's name, you can use the variable "Ronald McDonald" which can store anyone's name, or even no one's name at all. That way the customers don't have to know any unecessary details about the people who may end up with truckloads of their money, by accident. It's really another measure that casinos like this take for your own protection, you know, to stop terrorism and money laundering, stuff like that.

Casinos like Carbonpoker.com and Crystal Palace group know that by using aliases and lying about where they're located, making it impossible for anyone but skilled investigators to find out, that they are protecting their players from abuse and fraud.

This altruistic effort entails significant hardships for the casinos. Just imagine how difficult it might be if your name was John Smith and you were from Brisbane Australia, to create a casino run by a guy named Shane Puentes but that "guy" is actually an entity, a Bermudan corporation that owns a web development firm in the Bahamas that runs servers remotely from some indian reservation near Quebec and has a "license" in Costa Rica but whose principals are bound by Cayman law because Oliver Curran ltd., the casino manager, is the majority shareholder in Shane Puentes but it's a tax exempt high school sports charity run out of a Cayman shell bank.

I'll bet your local barber wouldn't go through all that just in the name of customer service, would he? That's because people who run web casinos like these know what real customer service is all about.
 

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Right, that's cool.

It's really another measure that casinos like this take for your own protection, you know, to stop terrorism and money laundering, stuff like that.

Casinos like Carbonpoker.com and Crystal Palace group know that by using aliases and lying about where they're located, making it impossible for anyone but skilled investigators to find out, that they are protecting their players from abuse and fraud.

That's because people who run web casinos like these know what real customer service is all about.


:lolup::lolup::lolup::lolup::lolup::lolup::lolup:

Very well said
 

gamblingcowboy

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Well now I don't know if Warren Cloud and Oliver Curran are one of the same people or two different people. Even if he is one of the same, my heart goes out to his family. He got around the World and made the "Coupon Code" well known throughout the gambling world. If nothing else, that is one of the few things that can travel around the World faster than anything else. All it takes is for one person to post a Coupon Code and lo and behold, The People's Replubic of North Korea has gotten it. One strange thing about all the casino's closing is that I just received an email from Silver Oak Casino (which I never heard about), indicating that they were thanking me for being patient while the revamp their casino, and to log in with my username are receive a $50 free chip. The only problem is that they didn't say what was the name of the casino before the changed it. I just downloaded and registered a new account, got the $50 free chip. Maybe the Meister can check it out. Here is the web page: www.silveroakcasino.com

Thanks
 

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Very interesting :thumbsup: - the design of Silver Oak has similarities with Catseye Casino discussed elsewhere here and an ex-Cloud operation.
 

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If this is true, it's a real tragedy. Even though we didn't see things eye to eye concerning running a casino, he had a family and a young daughter he loved very much. My condolences go out to them.

My condolences also to his wife and small child and I'm sure a real tragedy in their eyes but Karma is a real bitch as a lot of you know...what goes around...comes around, sooner or later !

How many good folks do you think that he gave chest pains to or actually caused worse health problems with them worrying about whether or not they would get their money from this crook or not, this guy gave a new meaning to the word Rogue and he still owes me money to this day that I wrote off a long time ago...:rolleyes:

I guess now would be a good time to make a claim against his estate but I'm sure I would have to stand in a long line of others doing the same...a real class act this guy was, I'm actually surprised it was a heart attack that got him and not a bullet !
 

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It's a pseudonym - most casinos practice the same. It's not too often that people use their real names as casino managers.

Happens outside gambling too..I came across it in a financial call centre once. The logic being that because customer relationships were very important, they wanted to show continuity as staff moved on. And the Ronald MacDonald example isn't far away either - continuity by means of a mascot rather than a celebrity. Aside from which it wouldn't be great PR if the celebrity died from food poisoning, while any number of people who reside in the Ronald suit can die of it, no problem. Although who would pay for a Maccy D's cheeseburger by credit card MJ? ;)
 

vinylweatherman

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Very interesting :thumbsup: - the design of Silver Oak has similarities with Catseye Casino discussed elsewhere here and an ex-Cloud operation.

I have just received a spam from "silver oak", and it has the entire stable named.

Planet7
GoldStream
PharaohsGold
LuckyPalm
CatsEye
Ringmaster
RoyalAce
CaptainJack

I am told I can claim a 160% bonus at ALL OF THEM!!!!!!!!

Claim your exclusive 160% BONUS at ALL of the casinos listed below between Friday July 18th and Thursday July 24th and with your first 20 deposits in EACH CASINO you'll AUTOMATICALLY qualify for 160% ABSOLUTELY FREE!!


I also noticed this:-

1ST - 7TH of each Month 100% BONUS
UP TO $15,000 1MONTH7
8TH - 14TH of each Month 120% BONUS
UP TO $18,000 8MONTH14
15TH - 21ST of each Month 140% BONUS
UP TO $21,000 15MONTH21
22ND - End of each Month 160% BONUS
UP TO $24,000 22MONTHEND

That has old Warren Cloud written all over it. I remember this with Crystal Palace, bonuses of huge amounts as above $15K to 24K, and this is ON TOP of my free 160% on my first 20 deposits at EACH CASINO!!!!


This looks like the Crystal Palace group have shut down, and immediately we see 8 "new" casinos come on to the scene, complete with marketing and (supposedly) enough backing to be able to give away such MASSIVE bonuses.

Anybody, even if they knew about the rogue status of the now defunct Crystal Palace group, would think these were new casinos (well, they are). They will have NO negative press in Google, nor on many websites.

I suspect this is a company that has cut & run from existing liabilities, only to resurface afresh, owing no debt to creditors of the past entity, but actually being that past entity in all but name. This is rather like those rogue double glazing and conservatory companies.

I had an account at Crystal Palace, and this has got me onto the list for this "special" invite from "Alexander Cheadle", the manager of Silver Oak, and who seems to speak for all 8 of them.
 

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I have just received a spam from "silver oak", and it has the entire stable named.

Planet7
GoldStream
PharaohsGold
LuckyPalm
CatsEye
Ringmaster
RoyalAce
CaptainJack

I am told I can claim a 160% bonus at ALL OF THEM!!!!!!!!




I also noticed this:-



That has old Warren Cloud written all over it. I remember this with Crystal Palace, bonuses of huge amounts as above $15K to 24K, and this is ON TOP of my free 160% on my first 20 deposits at EACH CASINO!!!!


This looks like the Crystal Palace group have shut down, and immediately we see 8 "new" casinos come on to the scene, complete with marketing and (supposedly) enough backing to be able to give away such MASSIVE bonuses.

Anybody, even if they knew about the rogue status of the now defunct Crystal Palace group, would think these were new casinos (well, they are). They will have NO negative press in Google, nor on many websites.

I suspect this is a company that has cut & run from existing liabilities, only to resurface afresh, owing no debt to creditors of the past entity, but actually being that past entity in all but name. This is rather like those rogue double glazing and conservatory companies.

I had an account at Crystal Palace, and this has got me onto the list for this "special" invite from "Alexander Cheadle", the manager of Silver Oak, and who seems to speak for all 8 of them.




VWM, see here https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/any-informations-about-catseye-casino.25787/

Bottom line is (and this is not confirmed yet although some believe) Cloud's Doleplex Group was purchased, in whole or part, by Virtual Casino Group.
 
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vinylweatherman

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VWM, see here https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/any-informations-about-catseye-casino.25787/

Bottom line is (and this is not confirmed yet although some believe) Cloud's Doleplex Group was purchased, in whole or part, by Virtual Casino Group.

Just looked. I would like to thank the CS rep that let all the cat's out of the bag in one go. Such honest answers, so she has to be new at Virtual:D

This is interesting, given that players were SUPPOSED to have until JULY 31st to finish off playthrough & withdraw at the old Crystal Palace group - how can this EVER have been so, they are already closed and reopened with new names, and zero balances too I expect.
There was a clear intention to deceive players into believing these casinos were new, and had nothing to do with "rogue" existing groups. This would have given virtual group the opportunity to scam vast deposits from hapless players fooled into claiming their 160% on 20 deposits x 8 "new" casinos, as well as their monthly boni, around 40K per casino during this month. I presume this was intended to make a fast buck before the truth came out that these "new" casinos were really the number 2 rogues having been taken over by the number 1 rogues.

RTG simply nodded this deception through without question - so it is not only players they don't care about, they are aiding and abetting a deception by one of it's biggest licencees intended to "scam" a new batch of players, as well a taking a second bite from those poor buggers already screwed over by Crystal Palace group.

These 8 "new" casinos should get an automatic pass into the rogue pit, and now we know which group to put them under.

Now, a whip round for that honest CS rep - bet she will be out of a job by now;)
 
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