Has Atlantic Interbet folded?

jack

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Aug 23, 2001
Even if AIB were to re-open, I feel that they have lost the confidence of most of their existing players. Another unsettling fact about all this is that new players can still register at the AIB website, and sites where their banners are still being displayed. Not only that, but deposits are still being accepted on AIB's website through NetTeller.....I deposited yesterday to verify this, and sure enough, it went through. Had to scramble over to NetTeller to deny the deposit..lol Is this not a fraudulent action, to accept deposits when you know full well you are no longer in existence?
 

linda7

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Apr 12, 2002
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Brooklyn, NY
Jack, AIB never has and never will have any integrity. They will steal anything they can. I hope Neteller does not process your deposit. I would hate for you to lose even one dollar to Gary or David Roffman.

I would like to wish you all a very Happy and Joyous and Healthy Holday Season. God Bless and Keep you all safe.

Linda7
 

jack

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Aug 23, 2001
Merry Christmas to you too Linda. BTW, NetTeller did not process my deposit because I cancelled it. I was just testing what someone else had told me.....and he was correct.
 

sfeagle

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Joined
Apr 30, 2002
I hate to admit it, but I was a pit, not once, but twice, in iB and resigned after uncovering some rather unsavory tidbits of information about them. They took everyone to the cleaners and the word on the street is that the reason that they came out with their "moving" story is that it would give AiB a little more time to spoof the players that they were coming back and might increase the chance of fewer "chargebacks" against them due to the time factor. The fact is that AiB hasn't paid winners in quite some time and indeed, their chances of charging back any of their deposits is dwindling. Here is a copy of the sickening, heartless, thoughtless letter from "****David. Bryan, is there a "Spawn of Hell" award for these arseholes? There has to be a special award of some kind to cover this kind of ignorance. They are using a tragic event of 15 months ago to cover their stupidity. I find this blatantly offensive.

From: ************
To: iBStaff@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:21 PM
Subject: [iBStaff] Please Read Important Update


Dear Staff of interBet,

Over the years we have grown and you have grown with us. While we
have shared many good times, now is a time for reflection, a time to
look back.
In the shadow of our country's recent tragedies we have all felt
sorrow and great sadness as we mourn the loss of our fellow sons and
daughters. Our families and our friends have all been touched by
this horrible event.
No one though, expected the far-reaching impact on our society that
we have witnessed and continue to see as time passes on.

Many people have lost their jobs in the wake of the financial strain
that has befallen our economy. Thousands who were once secure, now
face uncertainty. The ripple affect can be seen on Wall Street as
well. Investments that were handled so carefully over time have been
vanquished. Our children's futures have been put at risk.

We at interBet have come to a crossroads as well. We no longer can
afford to keep our doors open. As you know, we changed our business
model to that of a newsletter distributor/ advertiser. Advertising
has all but dried up. The cost of maintaining our system cannot be
supported any longer. It is with regret and sadness that we must
tell you this. We wish to thank all of our loyal volunteers who have
given us so much in the past 5 years. If it weren't for you, we
would have nothing but another run-of-the-mill gaming site run by
huge corporations. We were always the little guy, the underdog. And
now, we have succumbed.

****David




It saddens us all to see interBet close its doors, but as of this
time interBet is officially closed. We will miss all of you, and
want to thank you again for your time and hard work you have all put
into making interBet the Best site on the web. We will miss
interBet, the patrons and the friends we have made there. Try not
to think of how sad it will be, but think of how many good friends
you have made along the way because of interBet. Take care and
thank you!

***Mosnl
***PONYGAL
***Twiny


(Message edited by SFeagle on December 24, 2002)
 

jetset

RIP Brian
CAG
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Feb 22, 2001
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Pretty despicable using a national disaster to justify firing your staff.

I have to say Atlantic Interbet is not looking good on this whole story and the manner in which they have mishandled (or maybe outright screwed) their clientele is beyond belief.

As Jack says, I doubt they will retain their regular players but then there are always the innocent newbies who don't research and jump straight in.

Remember the names Roffman and Atlantic Interbet and the manner in which they operated.
 

spearmaster

RIP Ted
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I could have seen this excuse being used in the months immediately after, but 15 months later? Plus, the tragedy had ZERO impact on e-commerce, which had already taken a turn for the worse.

I never was an AIB fan. And I am certainly not now.
 

hrtofqueen

Dormant account
Joined
Apr 12, 2002
Hi all,

I worked for iB/Aib for 7 years and I made so many wonderful friends. I am devastated by the events that have transpired over the past month. I was working my 3pm tournament on Saturday, November 30,2002 when I received and ICQ from a player asking when the casino would be back up. She said she was getting the closed for maintenance message. I told her I was in the casino working a tourney but only had 3 players plus ozidream and myself in the casino. Shortly after I booted and got the same message when I tried to re-enter.

I can honestly say staff had no warning that we would be closing on November 30. Shad, ozidream,Wendy,TruBlu, osito, Ride and myself have worked VERY hard over the years to make Atlantic interbet a success. We believed in the wonderful software Mark had created and knew it was the best Casino on the interbet and had hoped with proper management we could turn things around.

I am VERY loyal to an employer when they believe in me enough to hire me. I was fortunate at Aib that I was allowed to work and be myself. I LOVE what I did there as the tournament director. I have made some wonderful friendships over the years that hopefully will continue to grow. I personally can get up in the mornings and look myself in the mirror knowing I did everything I could without compromising my beliefs. I also know there will always be one or two people that will never believe what I / we have to say but those are the people that will ALWAYS look for the bad in everything. That I cannot control. Ive never been a told ya so kind of woman. Id prefer to learn and grow from my/others mistakes.

My mailbox has been filled since the day Aib closed with letters from our players/friends asking what had happened and if they would be receiving their money back. I called the owners and was asked to send a letter out to our players telling them all withdraws had been processed as of 11/30/02 and EVERYONE would receive their money. I sent the letter out but was told by everyone they had not nor have they received a dime yet. I have answered every letter I have received diligently. I could do like others and ignore my e-mail but I choose to keep the players up to date with ANY info I have, which is VERY limited.

My name is all I have. I feel sending that letter out compromised my name. I know I have and will always continue to be honest and trustworthy in everything I do. I cannot control what others do nor will I try. I feel this entire situation has made the staff look bad also, and that saddens me. There will always be people that think we know more than we do.

What most people dont know is that staff was asked to take a half pay cut after the events of 911 and we gladly took a cut in pay to help out. That was over a year ago and we had still not received full pay as of the closing of Aib. I think that alone should allow people to see we did what we did in Aib because we LOVED it there and loved our players enough to do ANYTHING we could to help out. We certainly werent working there for the money. LMAO :) The more I gave, they more I was asked to give, which I did willingly as I believed in the software and the staff I worked with. Some people are givers, some are takers, and I know who and what I am and continue to hold my head up high. :)

I would like to thank everyone that has e-mailed me with words of comfort and encouragement. I think if I were on the players end I would be leery also of staff but I have found words of love and encouragement from everyone. Hopefully they know I am trying to be as honest as I can with the limited information I have because as you see I too am in the dark. My phone calls have gone unanswered also.

I am now in the process of looking for another job in a Casino online. Hopefully I will find one because I do love working online. I like to believe I am very good at what I do. Believe me, this month I have been SO bored. LOL

MANY players have e-mailed me asking me to let them know if I go to work at another casino online, as they would follow me. Youll never know how touched I am by your trust and comments. I truly believe I would be an asset for any employer. I am and always have been a team player.

Its hard to work 40 70 hours a week for a company then one day find yourself with nothing to do. YES I worked 40-70 hours a week in Aib. I like to think that would show a little something about me. I believed in Aib and was willing to work HARD to do my part to help it succeed.

I can honestly say I too feel betrayed. I gave everything I had, as did all of the employees of Aib. It saddens me to see how disposable staff as well as the players was. You think this has been easy for us? PLEASE think again. This has been devastating. To give all you have and then to just be discarded is not something that is easy to take.

I would like to wish everyone good luck and I pray you get your money. Please feel free to continue to e-mail me, I will answer all e-mail ASAP.


I miss you all,


Faye ( ***HRTofQUEEN)
 

sfeagle

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Joined
Apr 30, 2002
Good for you, Faye. I personally have seen and have heard of letters that have been signed by Wendy, you and other members of staff giving ridiculous reasons for locking players out, i.e., you have won too much! What kind of customer service is that? Bullcrap is what I say. David and Michelle did nothing but bury AiB and take the players on a merry ride. You cannot tell me with a straight face that Wendy did not know it was coming. Don't even go there. I hope that the players email David at his other company, DAGAR, and chargeback until they cannot chargeback any more. The entire staff of AiB and iB should be banned forever from working with any reputable online casino. By the way, since you all have nothing left to "give", why don't you give the players a real gift? A phone number for the owners that the players can use to contact them.
 

sfeagle

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Apr 30, 2002
If I am not mistaken, Michelle is David's wife. There has been some confusion as to David's last name. Am not sure that he is a Roffman. I know that Arnie, Mark, and Steven originally started iB/AiB, but am not so certain that David was family.
 

sfeagle

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Apr 30, 2002
I have spoken with Faye (HrtofQueen) and it appears that I owe her an apology. Wendy, who was let go from AiB before the closing apparently insinuated that Faye had been involved in some of the "locked accounts" by her correspondence. Faye says that she was not involved and if that is the case, then I owe her an apology. I spent a great deal of time working there, for no compensation, and Wendy and a woman named "Lins" made my life a living hell for some time after I resigned. I have no doubt that there were some good pits left (like Faye), but there were many bad ones also. Unfortunately, they all get grouped in together when something this atrocious happens. My apologies to Faye. But I still stand by my statement that AiB stunk towards the end and that SOMEONE there knew exactly what was going on before they closed.
 

hrtofqueen

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Joined
Apr 12, 2002
Hi stephanie,

Thank you for correcting that. You said my name was listed under Wendys when a letter was sent out banning a player. I Have never sent a letter out like that nor would I appreciate someone adding my name to a letter like that without my knowledge.

Thanks for refreshing my memory to who you were when you worked in iB. I do remember you as a hard worker that was unfairly treated by a couple of people. The things you said were done to you when you left were cruel and vendictive.

People like youself gave of themselves with no compensation and I for one appreciated all of the volunteers in iB. Some of the staff/managers in iB just took themselves way to seriously LMAO It was suppose to be a place to go to have FUN.

Somehow that concept was lost on a few bad apples that were on a power trip. They took the fun out of iB.
 

jpm

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Joined
Mar 29, 2002
I think sfeagle was referring to the whole ugly incident with Gramsey. From what I remember of that, she said it was signed by wendy, nothing to do with you Hrt.

I always thought Hrt was one of the good ones at AIB, and I believe she is telling us the truth. I'm amazed that she is apparently the only one with enough guts to come out and post here in public.

Where is the AIB management?? Running? Hiding? Counting the dollars from all the players who are still owed money from as far back as October?? Stop asking the employees to deliver messages for you and come out speak for yourselves.
 

vickinz

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Joined
Nov 26, 2000
Support staff were really helpful at AIB the few times I played there.

This is off-topic, but I'm curious. Do staff at online casino work from one physical address or are they scattered all over, going online when it's their shift?

Also, someone mentioned they were working for nothing for most of the time? Is that because of not being paid, or was it as a volunteer.

It's a little worrying when perhaps confidential info could be accessed from all over the place and by people who aren't actually employees.
 

jetset

RIP Brian
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I think you make a very good point there Vickinz. I'm not sure how many other operations rely on "volunteers" to help man their Support activities or why people would do that, but it certainly raises concerns.
 

sfeagle

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Apr 30, 2002
Okay, I will attempt to explain this situation a little better. iB was a sister site to AiB and was supposedly the testing ground for the "pay to play" site. I volunteered with iB for quite a long time and as a volunteer, got to know many of those, including Wendy, who went on to AiB. As a pit in iB, I had no access to anyone's confidential information. None at all. But a lot of the people who had volunteered in iB eventually went on to AiB as paid employees. I was not one of them.
 

vickinz

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Nov 26, 2000
Thanks Sfeagle for clarifying a bit of it.

However, can you or Wendy, answer query re whether paid staff go "in" to one location to work or are they scattered, logging on when it's their shift. If scattered, then I doubt whether they were interviewed face to face and security checked before being taken on.

I really hate the thought of a pc-smarty being able to use any employees' pc to find out stuff they should not have access to. And what happens to info which any employee might choose to copy, after a casino shuts down as AIB has done?
 

dave_r

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Oct 6, 1999
A very long time ago, David Roffman posted a players personal details on this forum. The player considered this a violation of the terms of his/her casino membership. I believe this message is still on the archives of Casinomeister, if anyone cares to search for it.

I was never impressed by AIB. I lost $2000 in like 10 minutes to thier bj game, playing only $25 a bet (if I remember correctly). I rarely have had a game take my money so quickly. Also, what a pain it was to deposit and withdraw here. I had to go on another website, depsoit to an unknown ecash company. Then it took 20 minutes or sometimes an hour for the deposit to clear. Than I had to go back to the website after it cleared to transfer monies in the casino. Then, when I got back to the casino I had to enter another code for the $$$ to finally appear as credits.
Enough was enough. I had never seen such foolishness in all my life. To top it off, the pit crew thier was incredibly rude to me, never once thanking me for thier business.

The one good thing about AIB were thier tournaments. They were well run, and when the site first started, people made a lot of friends there and had a ball while laughing all the way to the bank. Other casinos need to capitalize on
the way AIB originally ran thier tournaments. It was a smart idea. But other than that,, AiB offererd nothing special.

As for Hrt I was very impressed by her message above.
 

linda7

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Brooklyn, NY
To answer the question as to where the staff from AIB worked from...the answer is they worked from their homes. Wendy is in Virgina, Hrt is in California, etc. Also, yes the pits DO have access to all of your personal information. AIB used to double and triple charge their players. Also, if you funded with your debit card, they would just go into your bank account and withdraw at will.
 

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