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Thanks for your comments, and its funny you should mention this, because it is actually something I have been toying with for a while. In fact when I had a meeting with my guys last week to tell them to pull the Virtual Group from our sites - one of them actually raised the issue of adding a black list, and the general consensus was that it was a good idea.
Our only problem was the usual time constraints as we are still in the process of converting all of our websites from Frontpage to Dreamweaver, however, we also felt that this was probably the best time to do it considering we will be working on creating new pages and revamping as we go along, so it would be no big deal to add a blacklist as we go along.
I cannot guarantee we can do it on every single site, but we certainly intend to do it on our bigger traffic sites.

What a great day this is turning out to be!! :D
 
Way to go Heather. :thumbsup:

In fact when I had a meeting with my guys last week to tell them to pull the Virtual Group from our sites - one of them actually raised the issue of adding a black list, and the general consensus was that it was a good idea.

Let me know when you get round to this, as I will link to them from my Virtual/Gambling Wages Blacklist page.
 
I wish to thank Sipka for sending me the link to this thread that my name was mentioned in.I have been a member of casinomeister for over three years and have posted a total of 55 times.I signed up here as a PLAYER but I happen to be an affiliate.

I have been a PLAYER at Royal Ace a few months and I started to promote them in late December early January based solely on my own experience as a player.

I had no clue they are RELATED to Gambling Wages until I was told by another RTG manager in London at LAC.He seen me speaking to Justyna and Daniel and felt he had to 'warn ' me.I have no intention of pulling them nor do I plan to stop depositing and playing there either.My first withdraw took a bit of time for me to send my passport etc but I cashed out last weekend a decent amount and got the money yesterday.I respect everyone has an opinion on this matter but I base my own decisions on my own experiences when I promote Casinos.If certain members fell I need to go on some bad list because of my decision to promote these three brands I think I will survive as I have many friends who know me to be a honest and fair person.

Judy
 
Hi Judy,

I had no clue they are RELATED to Gambling Wages until I was told by another RTG manager in London at LAC

The Ace Revenue Casinos are former Warren Cloud Properties that have been taken over and rebranded by the Virtual Group.

If certain members fell I need to go on some bad list because of my decision to promote these three brands

This thread is highlighting forum rule 4.4. You are not linking to any website where those casinos are listed so no worries there.

4.4 - Linked Websites The linked pages must not advertise casinos listed in the Rogue Pit. If Casinomeister subsequently rogues a casino, a webmaster is not obligated to remove that casino but will seriously consider its positioning.
 
I wish to thank Sipka for sending me the link to this thread that my name was mentioned in.I have been a member of casinomeister for over three years and have posted a total of 55 times.I signed up here as a PLAYER but I happen to be an affiliate.

I have been a PLAYER at Royal Ace a few months and I started to promote them in late December early January based solely on my own experience as a player.

I had no clue they are RELATED to Gambling Wages until I was told by another RTG manager in London at LAC.He seen me speaking to Justyna and Daniel and felt he had to 'warn ' me.I have no intention of pulling them nor do I plan to stop depositing and playing there either.My first withdraw took a bit of time for me to send my passport etc but I cashed out last weekend a decent amount and got the money yesterday.I respect everyone has an opinion on this matter but I base my own decisions on my own experiences when I promote Casinos.If certain members fell I need to go on some bad list because of my decision to promote these three brands I think I will survive as I have many friends who know me to be a honest and fair person.

Judy

Thanks for posting in the thread CBG. No one can dictate to you who you can or can't promote, but I would sincerely hope that you would seriously consider not promoting a group of casinos that have made it standard business practice to rip off players. This particular group may have been rebranded from the Warren Cloud/Crystal Palace Group...but the fact stands that they ARE Virtual...and as such, should be treated the same.

Just so that you are fully informed, I'm going to include some links to some threads on here regarding the Ace Revenue section of the Virtual stable. Read or don't read...up to you I guess. They highlight the type of treatment that players routinely receive at these shitholes.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/silver-oak-casino-scam-trojan.35262/

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/silver-oak-casino-warning.29361/

I think to separate these two entities is a huge mistake. Virtual is Virtual...doesn't matter if they fall under the Gambling Wages umbrella, or the AceRevenue umbrella. It is FACT that Virtual are crooks. So to decide to NOT promote GW, but happily promote AceRevenue...well frankly, it just makes zero sense. All slices of the same pie.
 
Thanks for posting in the thread CBG. No one can dictate to you who you can or can't promote, but I would sincerely hope that you would seriously consider not promoting a group of casinos that have made it standard business practice to rip off players. This particular group may have been rebranded from the Warren Cloud/Crystal Palace Group...but the fact stands that they ARE Virtual...and as such, should be treated the same.

Just so that you are fully informed, I'm going to include some links to some threads on here regarding the Ace Revenue section of the Virtual stable. Read or don't read...up to you I guess. They highlight the type of treatment that players routinely receive at these shitholes.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/silver-oak-casino-scam-trojan.35262/

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/silver-oak-casino-warning.29361/

I think to separate these two entities is a huge mistake. Virtual is Virtual...doesn't matter if they fall under the Gambling Wages umbrella, or the AceRevenue umbrella. It is FACT that Virtual are crooks. So to decide to NOT promote GW, but happily promote AceRevenue...well frankly, it just makes zero sense. All slices of the same pie.

I am a player , I did a w/d of $2000 the first time which took about 8-10 days because i didn't send my passport immediately .Then i had a good streak and cashed out just over $10,000 and that one was payed to me on a reasonable time scale.I generally deposit $500 a week there and have done a few other Cashouts $2000-$3000 and have no issues as a player.I have alot of Canadian traffic so the rivals that take usa are not good for Canada which is why i tried out a few new RTG.I based my decision to try them on the fact they have treated me well as a player.
I am not a regular poster at this forum so do not plan to post anything else on this matter. Most of you know where to find me if there is anything else.
Judy
 
I am a player , I did a w/d of $2000 the first time which took about 8-10 days because i didn't send my passport immediately .Then i had a good streak and cashed out just over $10,000 and that one was payed to me on a reasonable time scale.I generally deposit $500 a week there and have done a few other Cashouts $2000-$3000 and have no issues as a player.I have alot of Canadian traffic so the rivals that take usa are not good for Canada which is why i tried out a few new RTG.I based my decision to try them on the fact they have treated me well as a player.
I am not a regular poster at this forum so do not plan to post anything else on this matter. Most of you know where to find me if there is anything else.
Judy

I know that Rival doesn't take Canadians, and glad of it. Another poorly run operation.

Just out of curiousity though CGB..I see you DO promote the ClubWorld Group...that's cool IMO. But what about Inetbet? Or Casino Titan, Jackpot Capital or Lock Casino...as RTG alternatives? All of these "seem" to be very player friendly. So I guess I just don't understand the reasoning of going with a known rogue/crook, when there are better alternatives out there for players.

I understand you not wanting to get embroiled in any heated discussion, and I'll respect that. But these are things I wonder about. I'm not an affiliate, just a player...so I often wonder if one of the considerations that affiliates take into account is the benefits of the affy program itself..as opposed to putting what's best for the player first? Not meaning to be confrontational...it's just a question. Would an affiliate choose to promote GW because they get a better deal (CPA or RevShare), as opposed to say Casino Titan...where maybe it's a lower percentage for them? I don't know what the programs offer, and that's why I'm asking.
 
Of course its all about $$$$.

Thats the standard excuse by affiliates who promotes known rogues. -> They treat me well, my players havent had any problems etc. :puke:

Hope it will backfire.
 
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I know that Rival doesn't take Canadians, and glad of it. Another poorly run operation.

Just out of curiousity though CGB..I see you DO promote the ClubWorld Group...that's cool IMO. But what about Inetbet? Or Casino Titan, Jackpot Capital or Lock Casino...as RTG alternatives? All of these "seem" to be very player friendly. So I guess I just don't understand the reasoning of going with a known rogue/crook, when there are better alternatives out there for players.

I understand you not wanting to get embroiled in any heated discussion, and I'll respect that. But these are things I wonder about. I'm not an affiliate, just a player...so I often wonder if one of the considerations that affiliates take into account is the benefits of the affy program itself..as opposed to putting what's best for the player first? Not meaning to be confrontational...it's just a question. Would an affiliate choose to promote GW because they get a better deal (CPA or RevShare), as opposed to say Casino Titan...where maybe it's a lower percentage for them? I don't know what the programs offer, and that's why I'm asking.

An excellent post Pina with some very good questions. From my own experience I will say that you can make a living out of this industry being an affiliate by only promoting renowned player friendly operations.

Also bear in mind many affiliates have also been hit by Gambling Wages with late payments, non payments and very large manager credits coming off their commissions at the end of each month.
 
Of course its all about $$$$.

Thats the standard excuse by affiliates who promotes known rogues. They treat me well, my players havent had any problems etc. :puke:

Hope it will backfire.
or current non-rogues that affect an affiliate's pocketbook. It is the hypocrisy although that exists everywhere so beware the rhetoric of those that claim it's not all about $$$$ and those that support such.
 
I posted that I am a PLAYER and i played there and won so i decided to promote them .There are Many good casino groups I do not promote ,I am not promoting them for $$$$. I have many casinos i earn more with than ace revenue .I am sorry that i had a GOOD experience playing there and My experience do not fit in with the other posts about them ,I am not replacing them and fully capable to decide who to promote and who not to promote.

If you check my winning screen shots you see I play quite a bit on Fortune Casinos and yeah I am a high roller .When i find a casino I win at and no issues to get paid I stick around there.I play at 888.com too and I am sure if i look here there is many negative posts about them too.When it comes to where I play and My business I use my head and my EXPERIENCE to guide me.
No I will not get into a heated debate here because I have not done anything wrong.Now I will leave this thread you guys can email me if you feel anything of value is said.My income for march with ace revenue is $203.11 so you can judge yourself if it is about money.My players have withdrawn $4685.00 in March and I have not received any complaints about then on my website.
Now I am going back to my video poker and next time i post here hopefully will be a winning screen shot.
 
I posted that I am a PLAYER and i played there and won so i decided to promote them .There are Many good casino groups I do not promote ,I am not promoting them for $$$$. I have many casinos i earn more with than ace revenue .I am sorry that i had a GOOD experience playing there and My experience do not fit in with the other posts about them ,I am not replacing them and fully capable to decide who to promote and who not to promote.

If you check my winning screen shots you see I play quite a bit on Fortune Casinos and yeah I am a high roller .When i find a casino I win at and no issues to get paid I stick around there.I play at 888.com too and I am sure if i look here there is many negative posts about them too.When it comes to where I play and My business I use my head and my EXPERIENCE to guide me.
No I will not get into a heated debate here because I have not done anything wrong.Now I will leave this thread you guys can email me if you feel anything of value is said.My income for march with ace revenue is $203.11 so you can judge yourself if it is about money.My players have withdrawn $4685.00 in March and I have not received any complaints about then on my website.
Now I am going back to my video poker and next time i post here hopefully will be a winning screen shot.

I'm really sorry you feel that way CBG. I was hoping that we could convince you (not dictate to you) to maybe change your mind.

The issue doesn't lie just with affiliates either, although that is the topic of this thread. I get just as peeved with players who INSIST on playing at these places. They say pretty much what you've said above....that personally, they've had no problems at XYZ Casino....with little regard to the multitude of other players who do. Well, until they get screwed over too..then they scream to high heaven, like they were never warned. Many players play satisfactorily for extended periods at these clip shot joints, and get paid no problems. Until they hit that one big win..then the problems start.

In any event, not much sense beating a dead horse, as you've stated your position quite clearly. Message received. :p
 
An excellent post Pina with some very good questions. From my own experience I will say that you can make a living out of this industry being an affiliate by only promoting renowned player friendly operations.

Also bear in mind many affiliates have also been hit by Gambling Wages with late payments, non payments and very large manager credits coming off their commissions at the end of each month.

That's exactly the point I was trying to make Dave in re: the good places. There are so many more options available nowadays as far as RTG goes, relative to two, three or four years ago. There are quite a few reputable establishments, so why pick the worst of the bunch to promote?

And in regards to the second paragraph....yes, and sadly that's about the time they realize what a mistake they've made.

EDIT: Had to add this in..clicked on the main page, and voila!! Another new Virtual thread:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/virtual-casino-never-ever-ever.36771/

It took them from January 3rd until today to tell the guy he had redeemed more than one free chip in a row, after previously telling him he hadn't, making him send his documents no less than 15 times, and promising him payment of a lousy $100. Nine weeks to deny payment, and now they have his personal info...probably his passport and/or driver's licence and more than likely his CC info. Wonderful places these are. Everyone should sign up and throw up some banners. Gawd!!
 
Also bear in mind many affiliates have also been hit by Gambling Wages with late payments, non payments and very large manager credits coming off their commissions at the end of each month.

I think we all should get together here and pass the collection plate around and take up a donation for all of those poor, pitiful, wittle ole affiliates that have been put out and stiffed by Gambling Wages. I'm sure that that was no fault at all on the part of the affiliate that was promoting such a fine an upstanding group of casinos that we all know as the Virtual Group!...:p

A little humor there Dave..;)
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The issue doesn't lie just with affiliates either, although that is the topic of this thread. I get just as peeved with players who INSIST on playing at these places. They say pretty much what you've said above....that personally, they've had no problems at XYZ Casino....

Virtual group:

Its almost only up to the affiliates. Most new players dont know shit before they deposit. New players usually dont see huge warning signs either, I mean, the chips are FREE.:rolleyes:

I started with free chips and managed to withdraw winnings. Then I was hooked. The casinos had my docs and it was easy to continue my playing.
I am not playing there any more.

My own pain limit with Virtual Group was recently when it took over 6 weeks ( :eek: ) before the money was in my NETeller account. And they had my docs already since all withdrawals I made before.

Before I started do be active here I thought that within 5 days payment was super quick. Yes, its true.
When Ladbrokes paid me a couple of hours after I made the withdrawal I was truly shocked.

Bye the way, I have not been "fooled" by the Virtual Group. I have chosen to let them go because of late payments and all old threads I have read here and there about their behaviour. I have read a lot of old articles the last months. Not just about Virtual Group.

Its a hard financial decision for me to let them go, their 300% bonus with no max cashout and no playthrough(its true, what are they thinking? ) has given me a couple of thousands dollar the last 8 months.:thumbsup:

But my winnings is from some poor player they denied withdrawal because of some stupid asshole rule or just because they dont want to pay him. :mad:

Its not morally ok to promote them. Most affiliates know this, but promoting them gives money.:rolleyes:
I will still visit affiliate sites that promotes them, I read a lot of interesting stories here and there.

The rule here about not linking to websites with known rogues is perfect. Its an important signal.
 
I think we all should get together here and pass the collection plate around and take up a donation for all of those poor, pitiful, wittle ole affiliates that have been put out and stiffed by Gambling Wages. I'm sure that that was no fault at all on the part of the affiliate that was promoting such a fine an upstanding group of casinos that we all know as the Virtual Group!...:p

A little humor there Dave..;)
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We think alike Rob :)

Absolutely no sympathy whatsoever with anyone who promotes these clip joints and then gets shafted - and in time they all do.
 
do any add a disclaimer to each promo they run for these rogues, warning non South African players, of course not. Why? Because it would be bad for business.

And there lays the BIG issue.

Knowing that non South African players are getting shafted on a daily basis by these clip joints, and NOT taking responsibility to ensure site visitors are made aware of this fact, is nothing short of irresponsible.

If it's 100% true that all South African players who play at these rogue casinos get paid without drama, then only promote these places to South African players. Use geo ip targeting, that would only serve promotional ads to South African players.

Although this technology has been used for many years, I can not find a single affiliate who promotes these places using it.

Any argument put forward as to why it's OK to promote these places to non South African players, is a moot point and a cope out!

Cheers

:)

Dave
 
Hi All,

Some how or other I seem to have totally screwed up the post above.

Not only destroying my original nominated post, but also wrongly quoting webzcas, when in fact I was directly quoting myself.

Can a MOD please remove the nomination, find my original post if possible, and apply the nomination back to that, thanks.


Cheers

:)

Dave
 
Hi All,

Some how or other I seem to have totally screwed up the post above.

Not only destroying my original nominated post, but also wrongly quoting webzcas, when in fact I was directly quoting myself.

Can a MOD please remove the nomination, find my original post if possible, and apply the nomination back to that, thanks.


Cheers

:)

Dave

Dave, Dave, Dave....rough day? :laugh:

I'm not even gonna ask how you managed to do that...I'm guessing cutting, copying and pasting? I've done it before, but I was lucky enough to catch it before I posted it, lol. I had sentences completely backwards, and words looked like anagrams. :D
 
I posted that I am a PLAYER and i played there and won so i decided to promote them .There are Many good casino groups I do not promote ,I am not promoting them for $$$$. I have many casinos i earn more with than ace revenue .I am sorry that i had a GOOD experience playing there and My experience do not fit in with the other posts about them ,I am not replacing them and fully capable to decide who to promote and who not to promote.

If you check my winning screen shots you see I play quite a bit on Fortune Casinos and yeah I am a high roller .When i find a casino I win at and no issues to get paid I stick around there.I play at 888.com too and I am sure if i look here there is many negative posts about them too.When it comes to where I play and My business I use my head and my EXPERIENCE to guide me.
No I will not get into a heated debate here because I have not done anything wrong.Now I will leave this thread you guys can email me if you feel anything of value is said.My income for march with ace revenue is $203.11 so you can judge yourself if it is about money.My players have withdrawn $4685.00 in March and I have not received any complaints about then on my website.
Now I am going back to my video poker and next time i post here hopefully will be a winning screen shot.


What sticks out to me about this post is it's all about I and ME as in casinobonus guy.

She states I play there, I decide to promote them, it's my buisness, I, I, I, and me, me, me.

Never mind the countless threads here and other places about all the times that this group of shithouses screw people over. As long as it doesn't personally affect you, you aren't concerned about it and you will go right on defending it.

It's all about selfishness and greed and not caring about the people you are sending there. I've said it before and I'll say it again, newbies and a lot of not so new players, don't have a clue what an affiliate is, so of course no one is going to hear from those players that have had a bad experience.

It's nothing personal against you Judy, it's just the prevailing attitude of selfishness of me, me, me that affiliates that promote these place have that pisses me off.
 
Hey BB,

I hear you, girl! I do not know how these affiliates can actually keep a straight face when they say, I have no complaints from any of my players, so I will keep promoting them.

One more time!!!

You affiliates do not have a clue who "your players" are. You only know the numbers, not the individuals by name. You must think we (the players) are complete and stupid fools, when you post that garbage over and over again. The new gamblers see your site, the outrageous bonuses, free money and off they go. And you affiliates just lean back, sip your drink and rake in the cash.

Now, don't go jumping in the middle of me, you affys know who you are, what you are, what you do. Your choice, but come the end of the day, someday, there will be payback to all of you with your tunnel vision.

We will become regulated and the rogues will go, and the rogue alliliates with them.

Until that day, I am afraid you will keep making money off of others that have been screwed. I have a hard time understanding people like you, no empathy for fellow casino players. Right?
 
Some how or other I seem to have totally screwed up the post above. ... Can a MOD please remove the nomination, find my original post if possible, and apply the nomination back to that, thanks.

My guess is 'no, we can't' but in any case Bryan would be your guy. We mods don't have access to the database and I'm pretty sure that's where you'd have to go to dig this stuff up and tweak things as you've described.
 
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Can a MOD please remove the nomination, find my original post if possible, and apply the nomination back to that, thanks...
You'll have to point out which post for Robwin to nominate. I can take away nominations but cannot giveth.
 
Hi,

I'm glad I noticed this post, as Ace Revenue I did not know was considered rouge. they are recommended at GPWA so I thought they were ok to promote. they have now been removed from my site. I do not knowley promote rouge casinos, I do care about my players, and I would of appreciated a pm from you Roanan and I would of responded, before you put judgement on me! :eek2:

Casinomeister forum rules:

4.4 - Linked Websites The linked pages must not advertise casinos listed in the rogue pit. If Casinomeister subsequently rogues a casino, a webmaster is not obligated to remove that casino but will seriously consider its positioning.


The discussion regarding webmasters promoting rogue casinos has come up a few times, most recently started by my 'attack' on Gamtrak. Our history, plus her personality, pretty much guaranteed the kind of hostility that was shown.


I do NOT wish this thread to be in that particular tone.


I wish this thread to be a polite reminder to members and webmasters that these casinos are in the rogue pit for a reason. Affiliates DO have a responsibility to ensure that their patrons are aware of a casino's credibility and must not advertise those that are known to be crooked.


Of the 'green' members who have logged in during the previous week, the following promote rogues:

casinobonusguy
Acerevenue: Silver Oak, Planet 7, Royal Ace

livefree247
Acerevenue: Silver Oak, Royal Ace[/B]

Pam7122

Acerevenue: Silver Oak, Planet 7, Royal Ace
Virtual Group: VIP Lounge

metaxa
Joyland

Chipeez
Joyland

zuga
Virtual Group/Netsurf: 123BingoOnline, BingoKnights
(although these bingo rooms are not listed in the rogue pit yet, I have proven that Netsurf is part of Virtual here)


Webmasters, please remove the offending casinos from your sites.

Thank you
 
Do not use the GPWA as a vetting service. They will allow all and any programs ( bar one or two exceptions ) to sponsor their forums. There are several programs of which I would not send my worst enemy to go play at, which are represented on the GPWA.

If you want to use a site as a good reference, use Affiliate Guard Dog in conjunction with Casinomeister. That way you have both player and affiliate issues covered. :)
 
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