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Faultless Blackjack Strategy!

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by KasinoKing, Sep 16, 2004.

    Sep 16, 2004
  1. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Faultless or Faulty? Can any Blackjack wizards help me?

    Ive played Blackjack hundreds of times online & in B&M casinos but theres still one thing I can not understand thats really bugging me (apart from why do I always lose!);
    Assuming a completely fair game with truly random cards, if the player plays to the exact same rules as the dealer (i.e. regardless of what the dealers showing, the player draws to 17+, doesnt split or double), then surely logic says the chances of winning a hand MUST be precisely 50/50.
    Question 1 Do you agree?

    On the assumption that the above is correct; when dealer hits BJ, player loses 1 x stake, but when player hits BJ he wins 1.5 x stake. Therefore, logically, playing this strategy must mean the player will always win in the long run!
    Obviously there must be a hole in my logic somewhere (big enough to drive a bus through), or everyone would be doing it (including me!). But I cant see it.
    So question 2 is: Which part of the above logic is incorrect? (i.e. What exactly is it that gives the house the edge???).

    By the way, I havent actually trailed this yet so theres a million to 1 chance I have just unlocked the secret of the universe! (Or at least, the secret of Blackjack!)
     
  2. Sep 16, 2004
  3. nafanny29

    nafanny29 Dormant account

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    The catch is when you bust and the dealer also busts!!

    You lose your bet even though you technically drew with both busting.

    This happens about 5% of the time hence playing like that will cost you $5 for every hundred. :D
     
  4. Sep 16, 2004
  5. Macgyver

    Macgyver Dormant account PABnononaccred

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    From Wizard of Odds' site:

    Maybe you can email him and ask for a more detailed explanation of how he came by that dealer's edge.
     
  6. Sep 16, 2004
  7. bethug

    bethug Banned User - Winner of the "<a href="http://www.c

    If the game is fair and you know how to play and have good money management skills you can win. and if you not winnng you need to sign up for my class
     
  8. Sep 16, 2004
  9. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Thanks Nafanny - I knew I must be missing something bleedin obvious! D'oh! :p

    Anyone got a bus..... ?
     
  10. Sep 17, 2004
  11. sw2003

    sw2003 Dormant account

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    Where do I sign up?
     
  12. Sep 17, 2004
  13. sw2003

    sw2003 Dormant account

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    Yup Nafanny is right on the money!
     
  14. Sep 20, 2004
  15. df21084

    df21084 Dormant account

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    The house edge probably results from something as simple as the player has to go first. Because you potentially can bust first, the casino wins.
     
  16. Sep 20, 2004
  17. eek

    eek Dormant account

    "The house edge probably results from something as simple as the player has to go first"

    Thats it in a nutshell.

    If you took it in turns to go first, dealer/player/dealer/player, then you would get a 50/50 game by mimicing the dealer.

    But the player always takes the first risk.
     
  18. Sep 20, 2004
  19. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    That's a very interesting idea!
    It's a shame it's utter rubbish!!! :lolup:

    If the dealer went first & bust, would you, the player, carry on trying to draw cards to 17+ ??? :)
    I can't see many casino's taking your idea up!
     
    Last edited: Sep 20, 2004
  20. Sep 20, 2004
  21. GrandMaster

    GrandMaster Ueber Meister CAG

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    If the player were forced to follow the same strategy as the dealer when going second, then it would be a fair game, and totally boring, too. With 0 house edge it still would not be of interest to the casinos.
     
  22. Sep 22, 2004
  23. sw2003

    sw2003 Dormant account

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    Let's change the thread to Faulty Blackjack strategy !
     
  24. Sep 22, 2004
  25. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    No - lets change the tread to 'Faulty Blackjack Player!'

    I asked a stupid question & got a great answer.
    Now let's just forget about it.... please? :D
     
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2004
  26. Sep 22, 2004
  27. nafanny29

    nafanny29 Dormant account

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    If its any comfort I remember my first casino blackjack experiance 15 years ago. I played exactly how you described and boy did it pi$$ everyone on my table off!!

    At that time my logic was exactly the same as yours in the first post :D :D
     

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