Extra Chilli Should Be Banned

[dogshead1]

@mack341

Thanks for the post, honest and straight forward highlight some good points that do need to be raised. I certainly feel that the industry could easily spiral away from sensible to ridiculous with slots being developed to become more volatile. That being said could be a downfall too. Cos let’s face it even though we gamble for for fun or chance our spare income to hit the big time. There comes a point where people will realise it’s not worth all the hype and become sick of dead session, egg timer deposits, 50/50 this £50 quid and lose again etc

 

[Tirilej]

..taking btg's advice to always gamble the feature..

I must have missed something. Where have they stated that you always should gamble your feature?

 

[dionysus]

I must have missed something. Where have they stated that you always should gamble your feature?

probably a misinterpretation; as I understood it, they more said, it was true odds and that should one gamble, the odds refect the likelihood of being correct...allowing for the fact there's still the percentage of being wrong.

BTW, not a comment directed toward you, but between the 2 commments

 

[Tirilej]

probably a misinterpration; as I understood it, they more said, it was true odds and that should one gamble, the odds refect the likelihood of being correct...allowing for the fact there's still the percentage of being wrong.

BTW, not a comment directed toward you, but between the 2 commments

That sounds more likely to me, but I still want Mack's reply in case he have read something somewhere else that the rest of us have missed

 

[interlog]

I must have missed something. Where have they stated that you always should gamble your feature?

They say so in the help file:

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[Tirilej]

They say so in the help file:

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Thank you! That is absolutely horrible!

Now I can understand why so many get caught gambling the feature, and get upset.

@Big Time Gaming I saw you read the thread last night. Do you really feel that is written in a responsible way?

 

[brianmon]

@brianmon Where as testing in demo is a cheaper option. I don't think it will be a fair test. I've always and will never change my mind on this after never seeing proof otherwise that demo mode runs the same algorithms or behavior than real money play. Same RTP yes but behavior will be different in real money due to amount of users, size of BR invested in any given session size of bets etc. This will show up different results in the fluctuation of RTP. Or a simplified meaning of this is in demo mode what difference does it make to company profits by its behavior. None whatsoever. When the test was conducted like you said and showed poor results it was claimed the sample size was not big enough. That again just argument to suppress public opinion and debate that something is not right. So I think my suggestion if fair game. They have nothing to lose its their money going back into their slot at real money play to settle what is now a large public debate about this slot with many of opinion, albeit a dedicated or willing casino to allow this test to be run.
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The difference is, that if BTG deposited £10k into a casino account for someone to 'test' the game. They wouldn't get £10k back.
The game providers only get a small percentage of the profits from any game.

Also, if you want to get really 'tin foil hat'. The 'tester' would no longer be anonymous, to BTG so the game for that player could be manipulated by BTG (assuming that can be done, which it most likely can't be).

Maybe you could approach one of the CM reps and ask for £10k to be placed in a test account?
Either way, the 'tester' wouldn't be allowed to cash anything out.
But they'd be playing the game in real mode, without BTG knowing anything about it

 

[Jackstar]

Hi guys,
I'm new here, but been reading for a while. Feel I have to add to this thread that I feel your frustrations, I play this feature buy a lot at £10 and recently had 16 Losses in a row (I always collect 16 never gamble for more) before the 16 losses it was 12 in a row, never thought it could get worse than that. Iv decided to call it a day with extra chilli now.

 

[zreb]

It's disappointing so many people are encouraging OP's behavior here.

Making a public post demanding that a game be banned, listing multiple ways you think it's rigged against you, then immediately returning to play it is not psychologically healthy behavior. That is not the same as being annoyed and frustrated at a slot during a losing session and then returning to it later.

Nor is OP's response to even the smallest amount of criticism and approach to the forums healthy:

Demanding that others not be allowed to criticize them while asserting they themselves are allowed to criticize both casinos and individual people openly is not a good approach to the forum, accusations of multiple people targetting and trolling them when I think I'm the only person who said anything could even be remotely considered critical at the time, and bizarre statements out of the blue about people being banned (?). Most posters here have been empathetic, and even I who may be considered most critical began by encouraging OP to be careful not to underestimate the volatility of the slots.

I don't believe OP or anyone else in the thread should be banned of course, and I don't even believe that OP has negative intentions - a benefit of the doubt they are very much unwilling to extend to others.

Like I said, I'm mainly just disappointed this has been met with encouragement, and aside from avoiding difficult conversations, I don't think anyone (including OP) benefits from it.

 

[mack341]

I've seen and read plenty of outbursts and rants on the forum about a slot or bad experience, I can't really see the difference here, we can't really go around discouraging everyone who needs to express a passionate opinion, what's the point of a forum and open speech if we go in that direction. Obviously excessive swearing and foul language isn't good for the reader but occasionally in a gambling forum its normal to get a bit, that's why we have swear words to express extremes.

[edit : If zreb you feel you have been unfairly attacked I certainly wouldn't be encouraging that, I just feel wires got crossed and words escalated.]

With the OP calling for the game to be banned, or maybe just the gamble wheel part of the game, you could look at it that his intention is to help prevent others from having the same brutal experience, is that such a bad thing ? It's not in his power to ban the game himself but I don't thinks its unacceptable per se to voice his opinion that it should be banned, even though I disagree with bans and would prefer the casinos to remove or get btg to alter the chilli game themselves.

I doubt many, other than BTG, would actually lose sleep if it was pulled overnight. Jack and the beanstalk seemed to get pulled from a lot of places after ukgc made a statement about childish themes in games won't be tolerated but I would say chilli's done more real damage than Jack ever could.

I don't know why some people [ not including Trance who is a professional slot designer ] get so irked about people accusing games of being rigged as if its a personal affront to them, to me its just part of gambling talk it goes with the territory, on the whole I don't think games are rigged but as the ukgc and other organisations have put all these checks and balances in place through regulation they obviously believe without it there would potentially be dishonesty otherwise why bother they should just leave it all to trust

It makes sense to keep an open mind in life and to do that you've got to hear people out, and everyone's free to give their opinion and disagree whenever they wish. On another day and new topic we might all agree

 

[Reelsoffun]

Thank you! That is absolutely horrible!

Now I can understand why so many get caught gambling the feature, and get upset.

@Big Time Gaming I saw you read the thread last night. Do you really feel that is written in a responsible way?

I gamble the feature wheel all the time as it states optimal strategy, and here is my stats, make of that what you will, ok quite a small sample size but its not hurting me playing that way.


There are loads of slots where optimal strategy is to play it a certain way, higher stake etc ( some SG games for example) its nothing new, but it IS player choice still if they want to play for a slightly better edge on RTP % Just the same as choosing not to play a game that's 94 - 95% instead of 96%+ ones

 

[Reelsoffun]

Also i'm 100% confident these numbers are incorrect as Bonanza shows as playing 42,178 spins and £46.955 in lol not a chance!!! I don't even earn that much a year unless I have been hugely profitable and played the slot in my sleep and my heavy work schedule which includes travel in countries that don't allow online gaming. So erm no that's not correct either. Not that I even use slot tracker anymore I cant be assed chasing them up to query it.
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Remember it will be counting all the funds played not just your deposits, so all your wins you play through as well. For example you deposit £20 and play bonanza till you bust out after 1hr using a mixture of 20p / 40p / 60p bets etc, you could of actually played a total of hundreds, even 1k+ through not just £20!

 

[Tirilej]

I've seen and read plenty of outbursts and rants on the forum about a slot or bad experience, I can't really see the difference here, we can't really go around discouraging everyone who needs to express a passionate opinion, what's the point of a forum and open speech if we go in that direction. Obviously excessive swearing and foul language isn't good for the reader but occasionally in a gambling forum its normal to get a bit, that's why we have swear words to express extremes.

[edit : If zreb you feel you have been unfairly attacked I certainly wouldn't be encouraging that, I just feel wires got crossed and words escalated.]

With the OP calling for the game to be banned, or maybe just the gamble wheel part of the game, you could look at it that his intention is to help prevent others from having the same brutal experience, is that such a bad thing ? It's not in his power to ban the game himself but I don't thinks its unacceptable per se to voice his opinion that it should be banned, even though I disagree with bans and would prefer the casinos to remove or get btg to alter the chilli game themselves.

I doubt many, other than BTG, would actually lose sleep if it was pulled overnight. Jack and the beanstalk seemed to get pulled from a lot of places after ukgc made a statement about childish themes in games won't be tolerated but I would say chilli's done more real damage than Jack ever could.

I don't know why some people [ not including Trance who is a professional slot designer ] get so irked about people accusing games of being rigged as if its a personal affront to them, to me its just part of gambling talk it goes with the territory, on the whole I don't think games are rigged but as the ukgc and other organisations have put all these checks and balances in place through regulation they obviously believe without it there would potentially be dishonesty otherwise why bother they should just leave it all to trust

It makes sense to keep an open mind in life and to do that you've got to hear people out, and everyone's free to give their opinion and disagree whenever they wish. On another day and new topic we might all agree

I don't agree with you on that statement. For me it's not fine that people accuse games of being rigged.
I also know that no one that works in any casino likes it. Not anyone who creates the games either.

To me it will never be part of the gambling talk. If I don't believe anything is rigged I wouldn't say it if I couldn't prove it. I hope people will stop thinking it's okay.

I also believe the OP have had bad luck with this game, like many others. It's mostly those that have bad luck that are screaming the loudest.

 

[mack341]

I gamble the feature wheel all the time as it states optimal strategy, and here is my stats, make of that what you will, ok quite a small sample size but its not hurting me playing that way.


There are loads of slots where optimal strategy is to play it a certain way, higher stake etc ( some SG games for example) its nothing new, but it IS player choice still if they want to play for a slightly better edge on RTP % Just the same as choosing not to play a game that's 94 - 95% instead of 96%+ ones

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Reels I see you have done 8305 spins, do you ever buy at full price and then gamble the features or wait for enough coins to lower the
cost ? What is your stake size in general? At 20p stake the game isn't as dangerous as £2 in terms of the gamble wheel.

 

[mack341]

I don't agree with you on that statement. For me it's not fine that people accuse games of being rigged.
I also know that no one that works in any casino likes it. Not anyone who creates the games either.

To me it will never be part of the gambling talk. If I don't believe anything is rigged I wouldn't say it if I couldn't prove it. I hope people will stop thinking it's okay.

I also believe the OP have had bad luck with this game, like many others. It's mostly those that have bad luck that are screaming the loudest.

I did exclude Trance I can understand it if he finds it irksome, if you read what I said in my other post; the odds, weighting and maths of a slot etc.. can on occasion give a player such a bad an experience, similar to being on the wrong end of a compensated slot, that he will exclaim its rigged! And then next month he plays it again and has a totally different experience and wins, then it was rigged in his favour and not somebody else's

Everyone will have bad luck at some time, some more than others, calling a game rigged after a bad experience is as much a safety valve as anything, it does you good to vent anger sometimes. You can ban the specific word 'rigged' but players will just come up with other ways to phrase and imply it.

 

[Tirilej]

I did exclude Trance I can understand it if he finds it irksome, if you read what I said in my other post; the odds, weighting and maths of a slot etc.. can on occasion give a player such a bad an experience, similar to being on the wrong end of a compensated slot, that he will exclaim its rigged! And then next month he plays it again and has a totally different experience and wins, then it was rigged in his favour and not somebody else's

Everyone will have bad luck at some time, some more than others, calling a game rigged after a bad experience is as much a safety valve as anything, it does you good to vent anger sometimes. You can ban the specific word 'rigged' but players will just come up with other ways to phrase and imply it.

You can defend and explain how much you like. I am of the old school who doesn't like that kind of talk.
I can hit a wall or scream. I would feel embarrassed telling everyone on the net in that kind of way though, but that is me. I hope I've taught my kid to not behave that way either but to get angry for the right reasons.

 

[Reelsoffun]

Reels I see you have done 8305 spins, do you ever buy at full price and then gamble the features or wait for enough coins to lower the
cost ? What is your stake size in general? At 20p stake the game isn't as dangerous as £2 in terms of the gamble wheel.

Oh trust me its just as tilting losing features at 20p/40p trigger after ages of waiting or buying in at the £10/20/30

Its a mixture, used to play 20p 40p normal base spins but most of the latest is £10, £20 and £30 feature buys.

I track each gamble wheel separate as well, not each feature as a whole, this is because you can go through scenarios of losing the first green wheel 2 times to then get to the blue wheel and lose making it feel like 3 losses in a row but actually its not, its 2 losses and one win on green and 1 loss on blue.

Yes its random, but probability is still at play here so my next features in theory i can still lose blue next time, so if i was to get past the green on the next that is now 2L2W and if loss the blue is 2L0W so again in theory chance of losing blue again is lower but now green is on expected and can now lose just as easy again etc etc

This makes it brutal when the wheels are out of "sync" where your winning on one constantly and losing on the other. When it syncs the other way and green and blue wheels are winning at the same time is where the good times happen and you recover big losses, its a game of patience, luck and grind after all its a HV slot your dealing with.

As i said above feature buys are NOT a quick way to big wins, they are merely a short cut to a feature entry, eg cutting out the potential spins required to get one, even at 20p you can lose £20 - £30 sometimes before triggering one if you even trigger one at all! yet you can trigger one instantly for £10, its all maths, every short cut has to be paid for.

I agree its a dangerous game, but in many ways all HV slots are, chasing games like IR and DOA are just as dangerous of potentially putting thousands in without ever hitting a big feature.

Back to chilli a mate of mine that has a bigger bankroll and budget to me plays it on feature buys ALL the time and recently had 4 features in a row 24, 24, 20, 20 spins he chicken out the last two purely because he was convinced they couldnt win again even though mathematically he had a 60/40 chance! im not sure what his stats are currently but the last time i asked it was 4,200 plays and way over 300% due to many of the 24's and 20's giving big wins

 

[mack341]

You can defend and explain how much you like. I am of the old school who doesn't like that kind of talk.
I can hit a wall or scream. I would feel embarrassed telling everyone on the net in that kind of way though, but that is me. I hope I've taught my kid to not behave that way either but to get angry for the right reasons.

Each to his own I guess, and as we're feeling free to be honest the above in bold isn't exactly how I would phrase something, to me that comes across as a bit blunt and rude and the rest also leaves something up in the air regarding morally superior behaviour as it were, which is ridiculous over the use of the word 'rigged' if you don't mind me saying... when you say you're of the old school that doesn't like that kind of talk, that's fine. Maybe in sweden to call something rigged is a stronger, more hurtful accusation than in the UK [ more akin to calling someone a monocled nonce ] you should hear how we speak about politicians

 

[goatwack]

Each to his own I guess, and as we're feeling free to be honest the above in bold isn't exactly how I would phrase something, to me that comes across as a bit blunt and rude and the rest also leaves something up in the air regarding morally superior behaviour as it were, which is ridiculous over the use of the word 'rigged' if you don't mind me saying... when you say you're of the old school that doesn't like that kind of talk, that's fine. Maybe in sweden to call something rigged is a stronger, more hurtful accusation than in the UK [ more akin to calling someone a monocled nonce ] you should hear how we speak about politicians

Hey listen pal, if Sara says you can't use certain words or phrases just don't do it, yeah?

 

[Tirilej]

Each to his own I guess, and as we're feeling free to be honest the above in bold isn't exactly how I would phrase something, to me that comes across as a bit blunt and rude and the rest also leaves something up in the air regarding morally superior behaviour as it were, which is ridiculous over the use of the word 'rigged' if you don't mind me saying... when you say you're of the old school that doesn't like that kind of talk, that's fine. Maybe in sweden to call something rigged is a stronger, more hurtful accusation than in the UK [ more akin to calling someone a monocled nonce ] you should hear how we speak about politicians

If any of dunovers talk in his videos is how any of you talk for normal or write, then I believe you.

No, what I mean is more that I wish people would get upset a bit more instead over companies that are producing rigged/fake games. That they would scream a bit higher at real big problems instead of accusing those that have licensed and controlled games.
When the thread about Affpower/GameTech went on there was not many players that said anything. It's like most only care when they lose their own money but don't care at all about that kind of problems.

 

[robby811]

Hey listen pal, if Sara says you can't use certain words or phrases just don't do it, yeah?

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[goatwack]

What, 'Rugged'?

You're rugged? What a stud!

 

[robby811]

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[robby811]

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[goatwack]

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[mack341]

If any of dunovers talk in his videos is how any of you talk for normal or write, then I believe you.

No, what I mean is more that I wish people would get upset a bit more instead over companies that are producing rigged/fake games. That they would scream a bit higher at real big problems instead of accusing those that have licensed and controlled games.
When the thread about Affpower/GameTech went on there was not many players that said anything. It's like most only care when they lose their own money but don't care at all about that kind of problems.

Ah no believe me I hate those B's much more, but they're kind of fly by night merchants so a lengthy discussion doesn't always arise, I think I missed the AFFpower thread, I don't think I can comment in that section of the forum.

I haven't started many threads of my own but I don't think you'll ever see one by me about the subject of rigged games, if I lose I might pm someone and have a moan but I would have to have concrete evidence personally to start a thread along those lines, that said I'm a low roller so a bad night for me is £200 lost, when thousands of pounds in one night are involved the emotions will naturally run much higher [of course also depending on the persons income level].

I think in the long run you're probably right and it would be better if everyone is realistic about the situation, the honest risks involved in gambling etc.. and if we call everything rigged when we lose then there's no point and we should give up, but I always sympathise with the player who has lost as I know how bad it feels, and maybe if some gamblers constantly believe games are rigged and claim it aloud that's the road they need to go down before quitting.

 

[Borgie]

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[pinnit2014]

Only lifting Robby does is beer kegs.

Not to deliver them, but to drink.

 

[robby811]

Only lifting Robby does is beer kegs.

Not to deliver them, but to drink.

 

[colinsunderland]

Thank you! That is absolutely horrible!

Now I can understand why so many get caught gambling the feature, and get upset.

@Big Time Gaming I saw you read the thread last night. Do you really feel that is written in a responsible way?

Don't worry, they will be posting again next time they want to do some promotion for a new game.
Don't forget the boss said before, the reason they will never offer quickspins or allow you to skip the win count up, is because of their commitment to responsible gaming. Obviously being able to lose £100's in a few seconds on a feature gamble is less dangerous than, god forbid, clicking to speed up a win animation

 

[robby811]

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[mack341]

Oh trust me its just as tilting losing features at 20p/40p trigger after ages of waiting or buying in at the £10/20/30

Its a mixture, used to play 20p 40p normal base spins but most of the latest is £10, £20 and £30 feature buys.

I track each gamble wheel separate as well, not each feature as a whole, this is because you can go through scenarios of losing the first green wheel 2 times to then get to the blue wheel and lose making it feel like 3 losses in a row but actually its not, its 2 losses and one win on green and 1 loss on blue.

Yes its random, but probability is still at play here so my next features in theory i can still lose blue next time, so if i was to get past the green on the next that is now 2L2W and if loss the blue is 2L0W so again in theory chance of losing blue again is lower but now green is on expected and can now lose just as easy again etc etc

This makes it brutal when the wheels are out of "sync" where your winning on one constantly and losing on the other. When it syncs the other way and green and blue wheels are winning at the same time is where the good times happen and you recover big losses, its a game of patience, luck and grind after all its a HV slot your dealing with.

As i said above feature buys are NOT a quick way to big wins, they are merely a short cut to a feature entry, eg cutting out the potential spins required to get one, even at 20p you can lose £20 - £30 sometimes before triggering one if you even trigger one at all! yet you can trigger one instantly for £10, its all maths, every short cut has to be paid for.

I agree its a dangerous game, but in many ways all HV slots are, chasing games like IR and DOA are just as dangerous of potentially putting thousands in without ever hitting a big feature.

Back to chilli a mate of mine that has a bigger bankroll and budget to me plays it on feature buys ALL the time and recently had 4 features in a row 24, 24, 20, 20 spins he chicken out the last two purely because he was convinced they couldnt win again even though mathematically he had a 60/40 chance! im not sure what his stats are currently but the last time i asked it was 4,200 plays and way over 300% due to many of the 24's and 20's giving big wins

I agree it must still sting to lose the low stake buy ins especially on the second gamble, its obvious you've got a handle on this game's odds with the gamble mechanic and a higher degree of familiarity with this slot than most so you know the potential gains from gambling to 20/24 and have a feel for the gamble wheel and how its behaving. I accept the point about the cost of trying to achieve a big win on DOA or IR but the player will have had at least more playtime and enjoyment to go with it.

Seeing people lose £1000+ doing £2 buy ins and losing on consecutive gambles just doesn't feel right or fair to me, its like playing russian roulette with your life savings at risk. If someone has access to funds either from a big win like dogface did or can redeposit, they will find it so difficult to move on after losing their money so quickly for nothing in return and then not try to gamble again to win it back.

I don't like the idea of somebody like yourself losing a game you enjoy so it is a tricky dilemma, maybe the buyins could be limited to £250 a day or something, which could reduce the potential for massive harm, still a lot to lose and potentially not even get to see a bonus round play out.

My rtp on the game must still be about 3000% due to my big win last year on the basic 8 spins [£721 on 20p stake ], so out of anyone I should probably be extolling its virtues but I just can't because of that damned wheel.

 

[dogshead1]

The difference is, that if BTG deposited £10k into a casino account for someone to 'test' the game. They wouldn't get £10k back.
The game providers only get a small percentage of the profits from any game.

Also, if you want to get really 'tin foil hat'. The 'tester' would no longer be anonymous, to BTG so the game for that player could be manipulated by BTG (assuming that can be done, which it most likely can't be).

Maybe you could approach one of the CM reps and ask for £10k to be placed in a test account?
Either way, the 'tester' wouldn't be allowed to cash anything out.
But they'd be playing the game in real mode, without BTG knowing anything about it

Totally agree with you there. Wasn't too sure on how much the share both casino or developer would take but you get my drift. Certainly would have to be an anonymous test. Your suggestion of approaching a CM rep for the funds and test account. How would this work and be regulated? Secondly rules in place and agreed before hand with input on the forum of how the test should run. Casino/Casino's all anonymous but a collective decision on single or multiple casino test?

Who conducts the test and how will the tester be nominated. Still has to be kept anonymous until test is complete of course.

Certainly a legal agreement in place restricting the withdrawal of funds from the account.

Feature buy in levels, number of buys at certain levels or stick to one. Rules for the gamble feature or strategy as there are 4 levels of gamble? All this would need input from the forum from everyone who thinks the slot and all its mechanics may or may not be fair game.

Thoughts everyone?

 

[dogshead1]

Remember it will be counting all the funds played not just your deposits, so all your wins you play through as well. For example you deposit £20 and play bonanza till you bust out after 1hr using a mixture of 20p / 40p / 60p bets etc, you could of actually played a total of hundreds, even 1k+ through not just £20!

This sprung to me after the post but I can assure you I don't play bonanza that often to accumulate such figure and still baffled as to why on a non registered account I have access to apparent lifetime data and analysis when was not so long ago only 24 hours worth of limited data.

 

[Reelsoffun]

Totally agree with you there. Wasn't too sure oh how much the share both casino or developer would take but you get my drift. Certainly would have to be an anonymous test. Your suggestion of approaching a CM rep for the funds and test account. How would this work and be regulated? Secondly rules in place and agreed before hand with input on the forum of how the test should run. Casino/Casino's all anonymous but a collective decision on single or multiple casino test?

Who conducts the test and how will the tester be nominated. Still has to be kept anonymous until test is complete of course.

Certainly a legal agreement in place restricting the withdrawal of funds from the account.

Feature buy in levels, number of buys at certain levels or stick to one. Rules for the gamble feature or strategy as there are 4 levels of gamble? All this would need input from the forum from everyone who thinks the slot and all its mechanics may or may not be fair game.

Thoughts everyone?

The fairest way for the test would be the min £10 buys so that more can be done and all gambles taken to the max possible as per stated in games rules for optimum strategy.

 

[dogshead1]

Sigh,

Still seeing certain posts insisting the original post claimed the slot to be rigged.. Shame because not once in this thread have I claimed it to be. I state reasons why my subject header was that extra chilli should be banned. Then the thread built momentum but still with no mention from me claiming the game to be rigged. Further to this some siding with only assumptions of why I possibly vented anger towards a losing streak/bad run what ever it's been called.

People having pops at others for Quote 'encouraging OP behavior' what behavior is that simply not feedback on my own views?

Sigh again:
Claims my behavior is a personal attack against casino's, developers and forum members.... Since how is my quote Chilli Should be banned a personal attack? Since how is my sharing of experience statistically a direct attack on the developer. Its feedback and constructive criticism. Some you view it as a rant to a bad run. Yes such poor performance from the game over an extensive amount of game play with profits from winnings as stated before, but it's not a rant of a bad loser with a gambling addiction as have been quoted. Again saddens me as those posts are the disrespectful posts that should be banned!

Mack321 made an interesting assumption and a very very valid one that maybe my excursion of my views and experiences can be seen as a warning to others , precisely can very well be. Others have posted how tilting and damaging that gamble feature can be. I totally agree it can and the fact you can buy the feature for ridiculous amounts certainly encourages irresponsible gambling. I could go further and start a whole new thread on how degenerated feature gamble sessions by certain streamers certainly encourages irresponsible gambling but I'm not going there!!

All I wish is for healthy discussion but seems a small few here like to turn these subjects sour and look to blame the OP for it.

 

[nutnut]

Whilst I have said it myself the buy a feature should be banned, it is at the end of the day down to us to control our own lives. When I lose hundreds it's down to me not the fact BGT created such vile slots. So deep down they shouldn't be banned just boycotted.

 

[dogshead1]

The fairest way for the test would be the min £10 buys so that more can be done and all gambles taken to the max possible as per stated in games rules for optimum strategy.

Seem fair enough as would surely would be for a fair and reflective sample size?

 

[shadow123]

Its not Chilli thats rogue, Millionare wants seriously in investigating

 

[snorky510238]

Its not Chilli thats rogue, Millionare wants seriously in investigating

As I posted a bit back millionaire is Chilli 2.

 

[Reelsoffun]

Seem fair enough as would surely would be for a fair and reflective sample size?

Few thousand features as a minimum I would say.

 

[Nate]

When money is involved emotions are stronger and more explicit.

You will never rid the slot world of the 'Rigged' term. If everybody were to go about as sheep believing everything anyone who ever designed a slot said - then I would question our sanity. Even some of the most celebrated scientists in the world make discoveries, which are accepted and then later disproved is evidence enough that what everyone says or claims is not written in stone.

The human nature is simply to question everything, whether they are losing or not. I've seen people lose and say a slot is rigged. On the other hand, people also win and say its 'Broken'.

A lot of the comments on 'Rigged' / 'Compensated' type can also be down to crude humour or just the fact that people want to express their disdain at what they are seeing in the strongest possible manner.

I have used the words 'compenrigsated' amongst others. People are entitled to voice their opinions on matters and are also entitled to free speech. If their actions transgress any rules the forum has, then they can be dealt with accordingly. We should never stop the banter / debates and arguments as long as they are kept civilized and respectful.

Dragging someone through the mud, calling them problem gamblers and asserting your own judgement because a person questions the integrity or behavior of a game is a low blow. We all have opinions, whether correct or not. A fair example is a Donald Trump debate - you are on either one side or the other. No matter what the opposite camp says, your opinion or stance will never change. But... there is no need to try to sling mud at one another, question sanity, question addictions and make assumptions over other people.

That being said, games that BTG churn out are 100% aimed at the tilting individual. The mechanics of the game are intended to appeal to slot players who love a bit of a chase (often with disastrous results). They haven't created games for the good of mankind and to make you win... they're in the game to make money.. and lots of it. Every provider is in the same game - just none of them try to claim they are responsible gaming advocates and then release games contrary to their original statements.

Should Extra Chilli be banned? No, I dont think so. I do believe that some sort of control needs to be put in place so that players don't lose their houses buying features at 2000 Eur a pop. If the UKGC is serious about protecting their players, then this is something they should look into with urgency. Feature buys / Feature
Gambles and the like are not doing the industry any favors. They are solely aimed at increasing your spend in the shortest possible time. People who were spinning at 0.20p are now buying features at 10 pound a time - technically spinning for a single outcome at 50x the bet size they would normally.

The mere psychology of entering the bonus round is enough to entice this type of behavior and the 100 pounds the player would usually use over a course of 3 days is now gone in under 10 mins. This is enough to make any individual tilt or chase and this is largely what BTG is exploiting.

Who wants to be a millionaire (or homeless) continues with using a brand name (where you can actually win a million) to further tilt players with the feature gambles. Has anyone even considered complaining to the ASA about this? Technically its false advertising as you can't win a million.

Nate

 

[snorky510238]

When money is involved emotions are stronger and more explicit.

You will never rid the slot world of the 'Rigged' term. If everybody were to go about as sheep believing everything anyone who ever designed a slot said - then I would question our sanity. Even some of the most celebrated scientists in the world make discoveries, which are accepted and then later disproved is evidence enough that what everyone says or claims is not written in stone.

The human nature is simply to question everything, whether they are losing or not. I've seen people lose and say a slot is rigged. On the other hand, people also win and say its 'Broken'.

A lot of the comments on 'Rigged' / 'Compensated' type can also be down to crude humour or just the fact that people want to express their disdain at what they are seeing in the strongest possible manner.

I have used the words 'compenrigsated' amongst others. People are entitled to voice their opinions on matters and are also entitled to free speech. If their actions transgress any rules the forum has, then they can be dealt with accordingly. We should never stop the banter / debates and arguments as long as they are kept civilized and respectful.

Dragging someone through the mud, calling them problem gamblers and asserting your own judgement because a person questions the integrity or behavior of a game is a low blow. We all have opinions, whether correct or not. A fair example is a Donald Trump debate - you are on either one side or the other. No matter what the opposite camp says, your opinion or stance will never change. But... there is no need to try to sling mud at one another, question sanity, question addictions and make assumptions over other people.

That being said, games that BTG churn out are 100% aimed at the tilting individual. The mechanics of the game are intended to appeal to slot players who love a bit of a chase (often with disastrous results). They haven't created games for the good of mankind and to make you win... they're in the game to make money.. and lots of it. Every provider is in the same game - just none of them try to claim they are responsible gaming advocates and then release games contrary to their original statements.

Should Extra Chilli be banned? No, I dont think so. I do believe that some sort of control needs to be put in place so that players don't lose their houses buying features at 2000 Eur a pop. If the UKGC is serious about protecting their players, then this is something they should look into with urgency. Feature buys / Feature
Gambles and the like are not doing the industry any favors. They are solely aimed at increasing your spend in the shortest possible time. People who were spinning at 0.20p are now buying features at 10 pound a time - technically spinning for a single outcome at 50x the bet size they would normally.

The mere psychology of entering the bonus round is enough to entice this type of behavior and the 100 pounds the player would usually use over a course of 3 days is now gone in under 10 mins. This is enough to make any individual tilt or chase and this is largely what BTG is exploiting.

Who wants to be a millionaire (or homeless) continues with using a brand name (where you can actually win a million) to further tilt players with the feature gambles. Has anyone even considered complaining to the ASA about this? Technically its false advertising as you can't win a million.

Nate

Well said Nate. I think that post is spot on.

 

[Tengil]

BTW has anyone contacted any regulator about the 50/50 gamble? As in the other thread it was said that someone had a 2000 buy sample with only 712 wins which would prove its not a 50/50 gamble.

 

[mac72]

I don't agree with you on that statement. For me it's not fine that people accuse games of being rigged.
I also know that no one that works in any casino likes it. Not anyone who creates the games either.

To me it will never be part of the gambling talk. If I don't believe anything is rigged I wouldn't say it if I couldn't prove it. I hope people will stop thinking it's okay.

I also believe the OP have had bad luck with this game, like many others. It's mostly those that have bad luck that are screaming the loudest.

Are you sure you wouldn't say it "if i couldn't prove it" ? It would be nice to see that logic applied elsewhere! (sorry sarah couldn't resist that one )

 

[Nicola]

According to the trolls on YouTube I work for Big Time Gaming because of my profile pic

Still love Extra Chilli and these days that's mostly due to the buy feature so I don't have to wait 2 hours for a bonus like Bonanza.

 

[Gaz237]

According to the trolls on YouTube I work for Big Time Gaming because of my profile pic

Still love Extra Chilli and these days that's mostly due to the buy feature so I don't have to wait 2 hours for a bonus like Bonanza.

2 hours?

How are getting the bonus so quickly?

 

[paul7388]

2 hours?

How are getting the bonus so quickly?

Lol because she works for Big Time Gaming

 

[ferror]

Big time gaming scumbags should be locked up.

 

[dunover]

Big time gaming scumbags should be locked up.

@ferror This aggressive and insulting post is not necessary. Don't do it again please.