Extra Chilli Should Be Banned

dogshead1

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Sick of this slot,

Absolutely no way is the gamble feature fair game nor is the slots RNG. The Algorithm is so obvoiulsy skewed in such a way the higher your buy in the more you lose the gamble feature and find it harder to get past 12 spins when playing above £50 buy. When you eventually get the 20 or 16 spins like 1 in every 20 your return is there or thereabouts 100x. 1 in every 30-40 pays 300-500x so how is the RTP running correctly?

How is it you risk so much to get a better chance of higher rewards but never see them?

I'm sick of the slot. The only slot that tilts and rips my bankroll and huge profits from other slots.

Again another £1500 up the swan pipe whist getting shafted by extra chilli and its bullshit gamble feature.

Oh yeah and to really fist me good and proper my last £10 I gambled up to 24 spins won 250x so of course my next buy was £50 gambled and lost. That was a guaranteed lose too as all first gambles in my experience above £30 always lose, 1 in every 3 above £50 always lose. How the fuck is that random? Let alone 50/50
 
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Its now BTG slots in general. Yesterday i lost lots on Bonanzo and Extra chilli on 4 different casinos. Bonanza didnt gave me one Gold or some decent gameplay Extra Chilli dito..
 

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I am not playing the game except I have a really big win and cashed out a part. Then I try it at lowest stake a few times (max. 3 tries), but as I am not a big risk taker I always collect 12 spins and let it go. Trying to force 20 or 24 spins will make you really unhappy. Saw enough people who came often to 20 spins but were greedy for 4 extra spins and at the end they played always with 12 spins.

I am playing really carefully when it comes to Buy Features in general, I can see that it can be really fast "good money" but it can bust you out so fast that you want to kill yourself immediately after realizing how much money gone without having a decent playtime.
 

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Learned my lesson on Shite Crap Pit, so hard to get a retrigger had 1 decent bonus that paid just over £1000 from loads and loads of £100 buys, not worth chasing the 5 reel setup.
last year I bought more than 60 over the course of a week, a few each day without hitting a single 12 reel cupcake trigger or any decent win and got well and truly fisted.

Played Extra Silly when it first came out, the design is done purposely so that 8 spins feels inadequate, so you gamble for more and invariably lose it over and over, then when you finally hit 24 spins enjoy the dead spins, I hit £500 when it first went live off a £50
buy and took the 8 spins, and I have not played it since, an evil slot imho just stick to normal slots and don't bother with buying features, because it does the job for the casinos, i.e makes you lose your balance faster and your bollocks, mind and shirt which is why I haven't bothered buying a bonus in longer than a year.
 

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With extra chilli you basically lose the feature gambling 70-75% of the time, right? So $50 feature gambles are more like $200 feature gambles. I'm sure you guys have had a bad run of luck (maybe even very bad), but make sure you aren't underestimating just how volatile these slots can be. $1500 disappearing on $50 feature buys wouldn't surprise me - you could lose half of that without surviving the first 2 gambles.
 

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@dogshead1
If this particular slot makes you feel so strongly... particularly the buy a feature aspect, then perhaps find your next favourite casino that doesn’t offer BTG software. Hopefully you will get more enjoyment/entertainment value from playing.

My better wins on chilli have come from natural triggers without gamble/just 1 gamble if I’m feeling brave.
Thing is... if I toss a coin 2 or three times in a row, I wouldn’t expect to hit the same face three times (although I appreciate that the wheel is split in the players favour after 12 spins).

Somethimes we just need to live, learn and move on.

I hope you have a better session today x
 

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Easily the most tilting slot ever My advice stay clear with a good BR as it can easily clean it out within minutes. Might be OK for a feature buy if you are close to busting from playing other (probably BGT) slots
 

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At a rough guess 85% of the features I have had on Chilli paid less than x50 and I would say roughly half of those paid less than x15. Just because you buy the feature it doesn’t entitle you to think it should pay any different. Therefore statistically I know if I buy a feature I am taking a huge risk. The odds are obviously not in my favour. This is just my assumption based on my play and how I personally address this slot.
 

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Thread title calmed me down straight away :oops:

Its my main played these days and I can't even tell you why.

Biggest pile of dog shit ever to grace my PC screen. In fact I told myself "One more decent hit and never again!" - Thing is this horse manure can read minds :rolleyes:

So many dead features, that's even if the 'T' is seen that day, gamble - Never these days, won't make it easier than it already is to pay you fuck all!

Today alone I've had this shit shown below, can see my NY resolution not even lasting a day :mad:

BULLSHIT at its very finest, Geez I am finding it VERY hard not to use the "R" word right now :oops:

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Oh yeah, Getting the 'T' from a cascade makes Bonanza's 'D' look like it drops every time :mad:
 

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Thread title calmed me down straight away :oops:

Its my main played these days and I can't even tell you why.

Biggest pile of dog shit ever to grace my PC screen. In fact I told myself "One more decent hit and never again!" - Thing is this horse manure can read minds :rolleyes:

So many dead features, that's even if the 'T' is seen that day, gamble - Never these days, won't make it easier than it already is to pay you fuck all!

Today alone I've had this shit shown below, can see my NY resolution not even lasting a day :mad:

BULLSHIT at its very finest, Geez I am finding it VERY hard not to use the "R" word right now :oops:

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Oh yeah, Getting the 'T' from a cascade makes Bonanza's 'D' look like it drops every time :mad:
OUCH! £40 if that green chilli had got to the left there underneath.... or multiplied if you had a multiplier in play there which it didn't look like you had.
 

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OUCH! £40 if that green chilli had got to the left there underneath.... or multiplied if you had a multiplier in play there which it didn't look like you had.

Yup! :(

No mate, no multiplier but £40 to a low roller is like 50% of my weeks budget and can stretch a long way.

Had similar not long after with 8 x 5OAK purples with a 4x multi - Could almost finally touch the Cash out button :(
 

dogshead1

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please ease up on the potty-mouthed language
The slot is utter bullshit!

Yet again I build a nice BR from a small deposit only to bust on Extra Chilli. So decided just to take 4 in every 5, 8 spin feature and guess what less than 25x everytime. Luckily got 20 spins two times running after the first was utter shit and oh yes dead spins and managed to scrap my buy in back with a little on top. These results are day in day out. Tens of Thousands through this slot in 2018 and just over 15% return, but its not just me I see streamers running the same results, threads with the same story.

Only one megaways slot out there that makes the gamble feature and risk for reward worth while is Vikings Unleashed and of course not a BTG game!! To me across the board my general feeling is all the BTG slots have become a complete dumping ground for anyone who plays since the two recent mamouth hits that hit youtube at high stakes. Leading me to believe if your not a high stakes player your building that bank pot with your low rolling balances to compensate. If that's true then the slots should be banned as my belief is that a chosen bet size should have not affect on the overal RTP or performance for the slot. However we see and eperience it everytime you drop stake the bonus triggers easier and almost instantly!!! Compensated?? Well no because you've dropped stake so your not gonna get the return from your losses unless a miracle happens. How often do you see a raise or a raise beyond your BR limits risking that bonus come in at a higher stake come in and pay fuck all. 99.99999% of the time right!!! Compensated?????? To that end certainly feels so.

What is tempting for all slots with buy features is that option to go, yes balls to it. I've had a shit run at bonanza, micro gaming are crap no bonuses anywhere today so lets buy a feature. Wohooo some action or be it tilting action. For example We all know its so hard to get to 16-20 spins on Extra Chilli these days let alone 24 spins and yes every time they pay fuck all so why or how can this be? My rants and hundreds of others, you tube evidence of opious buyins one after the other taking that gamble to quote BTG 'change the slots volatility' would that not be risking 50x stake on what is clearly not a 50/50 gamble on the first gamble let alone a 60/40 on the second already be bloating that pot for a good rewarded return when you finally get those extra spins? Guaranteed your not expected to hit the jackpot for the given stake or 500x plus wins but a reward that was worth the risk??????

So for example:
1st feature buy gamble lose
2nd feature buy gamble lose
3rd feature buy gamble lose
4th gamble win (general philosophy here is i;m down 200x already so I need to go for more spins up the volatility of the game) probably lose as we all know 12 spins does not reward enough.
5th gamble, 6th, 7th, 8th and so on there has been nearly 400x dumped into the slot with absolutely no return.

I know for arguments sake some lucky player same time elsewhere will win that money you just dumped but should this be said for 20-24 spins when your have risked so much to get there. Its hard enough and takes long enough and costs enough as it is. For me and my experience the whole gamble feature on all the slots that have that option is a complete farce!!!! Nothing but easy entrapment!!!


Bonanza for example another slot that eats through my BR everytime. Last 6 sessions its taken over 1100 spins to hit a bonus, one absolute dead round with no win and the rest 30-50x
 

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Easily the most tilting slot ever My advice stay clear with a good BR as it can easily clean it out within minutes. Might be OK for a feature buy if you are close to busting from playing other (probably BGT) slots

BTG must be doing something right, if people are moving from one of their games to another.

Some of the comments on here saying it's all BTG's fault, you have a choice to play or not.

Dogshead1's comment in the post above is even claiming "entrapment":eek2:.

Sometimes you need to take responsibility for your own actions.
 

dogshead1

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@Gaz237

You ever though the providers have moved to Megaways because its such a good money earner for them as a business. Especially with the buy feature. Why do you think organisations want to ban the buy feature. It's not because its doing things right for the player. Yes players have requested more volatile slots because we are gamblers and gamblers rev at the chance to win big. Unfortunately this dream mega win is very rare and the odds of hitting it is insane. The providers know this my gripe is the buy feature and yes it's entrapment. You need research the meaning of entrapment me thinks. Just because a person takes such actions does not mean there weren't enticed to take take that action. That is entrapment. That buy and gamble feature is entrapment. More so the gamble feature on Chilli. 8 spins is not enough takes too long to hit in normal play for its poor return and loses the so said 50/50 gamble all too often. Lets move on to Millionaire. They removed the buy feature but entrapped you on the feature. 8 spins again not enough neither 10 TBH. But how often are people given 80-90% plus to win the first gamble and lose? How often do you see a 50/50 on the first gamble? Players are being entrapped to change the volatility of the slot. The slots have been designed for this.
 

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Yup! :(

No mate, no multiplier but £40 to a low roller is like 50% of my weeks budget and can stretch a long way.

Had similar not long after with 8 x 5OAK purples with a 4x multi - Could almost finally touch the Cash out button :(

Feel free to user the "R" word :p:eek::laugh:
 

zreb

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The slot is utter bullshit!

Yet again I build a nice BR from a small deposit only to bust on Extra Chilli...

If you are calling for a slot to be banned and then back to playing it 12 hours later... it may be time to admit you have a problem.

The only way for you to get revenge on extra chilli is to consider hitting that self exclusion button - at least take a few days to cool off.
 

dogshead1

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Wow again, someone makes fair verdict and feedback on a slot and they are labled as having problems. I think your missing the point of the whole thread here!

I find it amusing that comments such as your like are accepted in the forum. Everyone is entitled to freely criticise the slots, casinos and Or reps for that matter without being attacked, ridiculed or labled in anyway or form.

So I make some valid points to which I’m sure many here would agree and just because I say that similar slots should be banned because of reasons I’ve raised above the defence is....I have a problem because I went back to it 12 hours later. It’s so easy to fault the gambler and defend the slot that is designed to win in the long term no matter what. Oh dear!!! What is the world coming too!

In fact people like you who judge I’m sure you claim to be experts in such field of assumption. You make a point that you feel I have a problem so why not do something more productive and useful and study the reasons why myself and others may keep taking repeated attempts at such slots and the slate they at then same time? I can assure you the problem and blame equal. The gambler keeps telling himself it sure can’t keep screwing me over so returns whilst the whole design concept and habit of the slot is designed in such a way to play and prey on that exact thought!

#constructivecritismnotacceptedinthecasinoindustry!
 
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zreb

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Saying you might have a problem was related to you calling for the slot to be banned and then playing it half a day later, not your opinion on the slot. Based on your posts, you either have a gambling problem, emotional issues, or possibly both.

Again, it had nothing to do with your opinion on the slot.

You also apparently desire censorship of others so that your own opinions can go unchallenged. No need to play the victim. You were not attacked or ridiculed. I do believe my advice that you should take a few days off, at the very minimum, was good advice. Now, I will criticize your opinion, as surely that should be allowed if you are allowed to criticize everyone and everything, as you state.

Regarding your opinion on the slot itself, it reads like hundreds of the other rigged conspiracy threads. Badly organized, inconsistent, poorly collected exaggerated data, barely coherent. You argue at one point that you only win when you lower your stake. You argue at another that it's taking your money to compensate the high rollers. "Tens of Thousands through this slot in 2018 and just over 15% return" - yeah, I'm not gonna believe that happened on $50 feature buys. Everyone has a right to their own opinions and skepticism, but rigged conspiracy threads like this one are why it's so hard to get a casino's attention when there really is something wrong with the games.

Anyway, it's your life, you're free to do whatever you'd like with it. All I can do is point out that you may have a problem, and if you're not receptive to the possibility, there's no point in trying to help. I wish you the best with starting threads about how games are rigged and should be banned and then immediately returning to play them again. I guess this is exactly what I should expect to happen when commenting in a rigged conspiracy thread.

Edit: If you are curious what I mean when I call this a "rigged conspiracy" thread and say it reads like hundreds of others, here is a thread on a poker forum that's managed to reach 85,000 posts by aggregating them:

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Not sure if anyone has aggregated a rigged thread collection quite as extensive for casinos, but it's basically the same thing.
 
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Interesting thread and I can see both sides of the "argument" here.

Although I have no doubt Extra Chilli does meet it's stated RTP, Dogshead does have a valid point in that the way it gets there encourages "irresponsible gambling".
The feature buy & free-spins gamble give players the illusion if you like, that they can take a short-cut to bigger wins - but in reality these big wins are extremely rare.

When I first started playing Chilli I too was convinced that the feature gamble was NOT a true 50/50 on the 8/12 spins, having experienced EIGHT losing gambles in a row. But in later sessions I was getting 50/50, or even slightly better results, so I gave them the benefit of the doubt and accepted that I COULD have just been very unlucky.

I made the choice to stop playing it - along with other similar slots. But I would be happy if these "buy features" were banned by the industry as I do think they are slightly evil.

And as for "having a problem"; yes I agree that the player should just stop. But by that measure I have a "problem" too - because I keep playing slots which I know are utter shite and that I will never recover my losses from, for e.g. Fynn & the Swirly Spin, Sweet Alchemy, Wolf Hunters, Snowmania, Viking Runecraft, and many more :oops:
These are all low variance games, but something about they way they work has me hooked and drags me back again & again :(

KK
 

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The question on slot games between what counts as "deception" and what counts as "providing players with a fun, appealing experience" is a tricky question, and perhaps an important one. While I personally disagree with banning feature buys, I can sympathize with some of the arguments.

Slots can be deceptive in some ways - sometimes intentionally, something unintentionally, and sometimes it's just because it's hard to intuitively grasp some probabilities. For example, "near misses" happen naturally as a function of probability, but they can also be manipulatively done by giving one reel a much lower chance of hitting a symbol than the others. Now is that deception or is it just an attempt to meet the slot's desired RTP? Are near misses (near hits?) fun or are they deceptive? Tough to say.

Post from the RTP thread I thought was interesting:

[QUOTE="trancemonkey, post: 973698, member: 31691"...over a long period you might notice, but I would bet you 50 quid you couldn't tell the difference between a 93 or 89% slot over 500 games. Why? Because good designers design them that way....[/QUOTE]

So if "good design" means that you can't tell the true odds of a slot, is that engaging gameplay or is it deception? Like I said above, while I object usually to just banning things, I'll admit that these are tricky questions and perhaps some progress could be made in protecting players.
 

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The question on slot games between what counts as "deception" and what counts as "providing players with a fun, appealing experience" is a tricky question, and perhaps an important one. While I personally disagree with banning feature buys, I can sympathize with some of the arguments.

Slots can be deceptive in some ways - sometimes intentionally, something unintentionally, and sometimes it's just because it's hard to intuitively grasp some probabilities. For example, "near misses" happen naturally as a function of probability, but they can also be manipulatively done by giving one reel a much lower chance of hitting a symbol than the others. Now is that deception or is it just an attempt to meet the slot's desired RTP? Are near misses (near hits?) fun or are they deceptive? Tough to say.

Post from the RTP thread I thought was interesting:

...over a long period you might notice, but I would bet you 50 quid you couldn't tell the difference between a 93 or 89% slot over 500 games. Why? Because good designers design them that way....

So if "good design" means that you can't tell the true odds of a slot, is that engaging gameplay or is it deception? Like I said above, while I object usually to just banning things, I'll admit that these are tricky questions and perhaps some progress could be made in protecting players.

So now you're saying that good maths design is deception?! And also, i never said i was hiding the RTP of the game - it's on display for a start. But even in markets where the RTP is NOT on display, are you seriously telling me that making a game play well at all the RTP settings is deception?!

Jeez... lol
 

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Sigh.

I said neither of those things. Your own post says that the reason it would be hard to tell between an 89% slot and a 93% slot is because "good designers design them that way."

Unless that's not what you meant to say, the obvious implication of that is that the probabilities of a well designed slot can be deceptive - whether intentionally or simply as a consequence of making a good game.

My entire post was about the potential ambiguity between these two factors, that it can be difficult to tell between a slot that excites a player with possibilities and one that deceives. Yet you somehow interpreted my post as saying "good slot design is deceptive" - almost the opposite thing I was saying. I was even saying I generally disagree with those who wish to ban such things as feature guarantees, but simply acknowledging that there are some merits to their position, that slots which try to tempt players with the possibility of big wins could sometimes be straddling the line of deception.

As I said in my previous post, many things which could be interpreted as deceptive - the obvious example being "near misses" - can happen simply as a result of probability with no trickery intended at all. There are far more ways you can "almost hit" something than you can actually hit it. But we also can't take it for granted that their are no slot designers out there that would try to amplify such things to take advantage of players psychology. Hence the difficulty - is enticing players with a near miss or an improbable jackpot good, engaging slot design or is it deceptive? As I said, that was the entire point of my post, acknowledging the difficulty of that question, even though my own opinion is usually "players should take responsibility for themselves, since no one else can do it for them."
 
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Wow again, someone makes fair verdict and feedback on a slot and they are labled as having problems. I think your missing the point of the whole thread here!

I find it amusing that comments such as your like are accepted in the forum. Everyone is entitled to freely criticise the slots, casinos and Or reps for that matter without being attacked, ridiculed or labled in anyway or form.

So I make some valid points to which I’m sure many here would agree and just because I say that similar slots should be banned because of reasons I’ve raised above the defence is....I have a problem because I went back to it 12 hours later. It’s so easy to fault the gambler and defend the slot that is designed to win in the long term no matter what. Oh dear!!! What is the world coming too!

In fact people like you who judge I’m sure you claim to be experts in such field of assumption. You make a point that you feel I have a problem so why not do something more productive and useful and study the reasons why myself and others may keep taking repeated attempts at such slots and the slate they at then same time? I can assure you the problem and blame equal. The gambler keeps telling himself it sure can’t keep screwing me over so returns whilst the whole design concept and habit of the slot is designed in such a way to play and prey on that exact thought!

#constructivecritismnotacceptedinthecasinoindustry!
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Of course the slot is designed to win long term, no matter what. Why would a provider design a slot, that loses money?

The simple fact is. It is your fault. Your the one pumping the money in and then trying to blame BTG for your lack of self control.

You can easily set your bet limit, so you could not buy the features, But I guess that's far to easy and you will continue Blaming BTG for your downfall.

Calling for it to be banned, would be like you calling for alcohol to be banned, because you keep getting pissed
 

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I did buy a feature once that I even gambled on to get more spins. When I lost it was such an awful feeling that i will never do that again.
If I can stay away from buying them or at least gamble with them then you all should be able to also. If not, then there is absolutely no one else to blame for your own actions, ever. No matter what design.
 

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It saddens me, that when a thread like this is started by myself or other and gathers momentum the same names pop up and target certain individuals and label them as conspiracy theorists or have a gambling problem for returning to the same slot. Without acctually understanding or wanting to understand the fundamentals of the posts. Like this post now being labled as a conspiracy thread for example. Targeting myself for making such post and looking for a rise and reaction in attempt to get a ban from said initial poster or individual who too has valid argument.

This is trolling which gets overlooked unfortunately. I’ll probably face a ban or warning for that comment alone but it’s fact.

Just because I call for the buy in feature to be band and return with another example 12 hours later of why I supposedly have a gambling problem. So im guessing so does Dunnover who publically blasts bonanza when on a bad day but always returns to it or most of not all streamers??? Why not ridicule these guys!!!

Maybe their channels are well moderated. The point here is public opinion does matter and valid public argument for why players don’t like such things about slots and their design should be accepted. Maybe are argument can be labelled as conspiracy however we’ve all provided multiple counts of evidence that number are off and nothing is done about it but ridicule the player as having a problem by choosing to play the games or not. The player is always going to play the game and responsibility lies with both the developers, casinos and the players.

With so much criticism of extra chilli publicly why does BTG not offer a stake to an individual to consolidate the results of the buy feature over a huge sample size to put these arguments to bed.

£5000

Should be suffice to cover a good sample size on the micro buy ins.

Heck it’s their money going back into their pockets £10000-£15000
To cover the £50 buy ins.

A YouTube video or videos depicting the testing and a moderator collating and posting the statistical data.

@BTG any thoughts?
 
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