Extra Chilli Should Be Banned

[dogshead1]

@mack341

Thanks for the post, honest and straight forward highlight some good points that do need to be raised. I certainly feel that the industry could easily spiral away from sensible to ridiculous with slots being developed to become more volatile. That being said could be a downfall too. Cos let’s face it even though we gamble for for fun or chance our spare income to hit the big time. There comes a point where people will realise it’s not worth all the hype and become sick of dead session, egg timer deposits, 50/50 this £50 quid and lose again etc

 

[Tirilej]

..taking btg's advice to always gamble the feature..

I must have missed something. Where have they stated that you always should gamble your feature?

 

[dionysus]

I must have missed something. Where have they stated that you always should gamble your feature?

probably a misinterpretation; as I understood it, they more said, it was true odds and that should one gamble, the odds refect the likelihood of being correct...allowing for the fact there's still the percentage of being wrong.

BTW, not a comment directed toward you, but between the 2 commments

 

[Tirilej]

probably a misinterpration; as I understood it, they more said, it was true odds and that should one gamble, the odds refect the likelihood of being correct...allowing for the fact there's still the percentage of being wrong.

BTW, not a comment directed toward you, but between the 2 commments

That sounds more likely to me, but I still want Mack's reply in case he have read something somewhere else that the rest of us have missed

 

[interlog]

I must have missed something. Where have they stated that you always should gamble your feature?

They say so in the help file:

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[Tirilej]

They say so in the help file:

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Thank you! That is absolutely horrible!

Now I can understand why so many get caught gambling the feature, and get upset.

@Big Time Gaming I saw you read the thread last night. Do you really feel that is written in a responsible way?

 

[brianmon]

@brianmon Where as testing in demo is a cheaper option. I don't think it will be a fair test. I've always and will never change my mind on this after never seeing proof otherwise that demo mode runs the same algorithms or behavior than real money play. Same RTP yes but behavior will be different in real money due to amount of users, size of BR invested in any given session size of bets etc. This will show up different results in the fluctuation of RTP. Or a simplified meaning of this is in demo mode what difference does it make to company profits by its behavior. None whatsoever. When the test was conducted like you said and showed poor results it was claimed the sample size was not big enough. That again just argument to suppress public opinion and debate that something is not right. So I think my suggestion if fair game. They have nothing to lose its their money going back into their slot at real money play to settle what is now a large public debate about this slot with many of opinion, albeit a dedicated or willing casino to allow this test to be run.
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The difference is, that if BTG deposited £10k into a casino account for someone to 'test' the game. They wouldn't get £10k back.
The game providers only get a small percentage of the profits from any game.

Also, if you want to get really 'tin foil hat'. The 'tester' would no longer be anonymous, to BTG so the game for that player could be manipulated by BTG (assuming that can be done, which it most likely can't be).

Maybe you could approach one of the CM reps and ask for £10k to be placed in a test account?
Either way, the 'tester' wouldn't be allowed to cash anything out.
But they'd be playing the game in real mode, without BTG knowing anything about it

 

[Jackstar]

Hi guys,
I'm new here, but been reading for a while. Feel I have to add to this thread that I feel your frustrations, I play this feature buy a lot at £10 and recently had 16 Losses in a row (I always collect 16 never gamble for more) before the 16 losses it was 12 in a row, never thought it could get worse than that. Iv decided to call it a day with extra chilli now.

 

[zreb]

It's disappointing so many people are encouraging OP's behavior here.

Making a public post demanding that a game be banned, listing multiple ways you think it's rigged against you, then immediately returning to play it is not psychologically healthy behavior. That is not the same as being annoyed and frustrated at a slot during a losing session and then returning to it later.

Nor is OP's response to even the smallest amount of criticism and approach to the forums healthy:

Demanding that others not be allowed to criticize them while asserting they themselves are allowed to criticize both casinos and individual people openly is not a good approach to the forum, accusations of multiple people targetting and trolling them when I think I'm the only person who said anything could even be remotely considered critical at the time, and bizarre statements out of the blue about people being banned (?). Most posters here have been empathetic, and even I who may be considered most critical began by encouraging OP to be careful not to underestimate the volatility of the slots.

I don't believe OP or anyone else in the thread should be banned of course, and I don't even believe that OP has negative intentions - a benefit of the doubt they are very much unwilling to extend to others.

Like I said, I'm mainly just disappointed this has been met with encouragement, and aside from avoiding difficult conversations, I don't think anyone (including OP) benefits from it.

 

[mack341]

I've seen and read plenty of outbursts and rants on the forum about a slot or bad experience, I can't really see the difference here, we can't really go around discouraging everyone who needs to express a passionate opinion, what's the point of a forum and open speech if we go in that direction. Obviously excessive swearing and foul language isn't good for the reader but occasionally in a gambling forum its normal to get a bit, that's why we have swear words to express extremes.

[edit : If zreb you feel you have been unfairly attacked I certainly wouldn't be encouraging that, I just feel wires got crossed and words escalated.]

With the OP calling for the game to be banned, or maybe just the gamble wheel part of the game, you could look at it that his intention is to help prevent others from having the same brutal experience, is that such a bad thing ? It's not in his power to ban the game himself but I don't thinks its unacceptable per se to voice his opinion that it should be banned, even though I disagree with bans and would prefer the casinos to remove or get btg to alter the chilli game themselves.

I doubt many, other than BTG, would actually lose sleep if it was pulled overnight. Jack and the beanstalk seemed to get pulled from a lot of places after ukgc made a statement about childish themes in games won't be tolerated but I would say chilli's done more real damage than Jack ever could.

I don't know why some people [ not including Trance who is a professional slot designer ] get so irked about people accusing games of being rigged as if its a personal affront to them, to me its just part of gambling talk it goes with the territory, on the whole I don't think games are rigged but as the ukgc and other organisations have put all these checks and balances in place through regulation they obviously believe without it there would potentially be dishonesty otherwise why bother they should just leave it all to trust

It makes sense to keep an open mind in life and to do that you've got to hear people out, and everyone's free to give their opinion and disagree whenever they wish. On another day and new topic we might all agree

 

[Reelsoffun]

Thank you! That is absolutely horrible!

Now I can understand why so many get caught gambling the feature, and get upset.

@Big Time Gaming I saw you read the thread last night. Do you really feel that is written in a responsible way?

I gamble the feature wheel all the time as it states optimal strategy, and here is my stats, make of that what you will, ok quite a small sample size but its not hurting me playing that way.


There are loads of slots where optimal strategy is to play it a certain way, higher stake etc ( some SG games for example) its nothing new, but it IS player choice still if they want to play for a slightly better edge on RTP % Just the same as choosing not to play a game that's 94 - 95% instead of 96%+ ones

 

[Reelsoffun]

Also i'm 100% confident these numbers are incorrect as Bonanza shows as playing 42,178 spins and £46.955 in lol not a chance!!! I don't even earn that much a year unless I have been hugely profitable and played the slot in my sleep and my heavy work schedule which includes travel in countries that don't allow online gaming. So erm no that's not correct either. Not that I even use slot tracker anymore I cant be assed chasing them up to query it.
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Remember it will be counting all the funds played not just your deposits, so all your wins you play through as well. For example you deposit £20 and play bonanza till you bust out after 1hr using a mixture of 20p / 40p / 60p bets etc, you could of actually played a total of hundreds, even 1k+ through not just £20!

 

[Tirilej]

I've seen and read plenty of outbursts and rants on the forum about a slot or bad experience, I can't really see the difference here, we can't really go around discouraging everyone who needs to express a passionate opinion, what's the point of a forum and open speech if we go in that direction. Obviously excessive swearing and foul language isn't good for the reader but occasionally in a gambling forum its normal to get a bit, that's why we have swear words to express extremes.

[edit : If zreb you feel you have been unfairly attacked I certainly wouldn't be encouraging that, I just feel wires got crossed and words escalated.]

With the OP calling for the game to be banned, or maybe just the gamble wheel part of the game, you could look at it that his intention is to help prevent others from having the same brutal experience, is that such a bad thing ? It's not in his power to ban the game himself but I don't thinks its unacceptable per se to voice his opinion that it should be banned, even though I disagree with bans and would prefer the casinos to remove or get btg to alter the chilli game themselves.

I doubt many, other than BTG, would actually lose sleep if it was pulled overnight. Jack and the beanstalk seemed to get pulled from a lot of places after ukgc made a statement about childish themes in games won't be tolerated but I would say chilli's done more real damage than Jack ever could.

I don't know why some people [ not including Trance who is a professional slot designer ] get so irked about people accusing games of being rigged as if its a personal affront to them, to me its just part of gambling talk it goes with the territory, on the whole I don't think games are rigged but as the ukgc and other organisations have put all these checks and balances in place through regulation they obviously believe without it there would potentially be dishonesty otherwise why bother they should just leave it all to trust

It makes sense to keep an open mind in life and to do that you've got to hear people out, and everyone's free to give their opinion and disagree whenever they wish. On another day and new topic we might all agree

I don't agree with you on that statement. For me it's not fine that people accuse games of being rigged.
I also know that no one that works in any casino likes it. Not anyone who creates the games either.

To me it will never be part of the gambling talk. If I don't believe anything is rigged I wouldn't say it if I couldn't prove it. I hope people will stop thinking it's okay.

I also believe the OP have had bad luck with this game, like many others. It's mostly those that have bad luck that are screaming the loudest.

 

[mack341]

I gamble the feature wheel all the time as it states optimal strategy, and here is my stats, make of that what you will, ok quite a small sample size but its not hurting me playing that way.


There are loads of slots where optimal strategy is to play it a certain way, higher stake etc ( some SG games for example) its nothing new, but it IS player choice still if they want to play for a slightly better edge on RTP % Just the same as choosing not to play a game that's 94 - 95% instead of 96%+ ones

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Reels I see you have done 8305 spins, do you ever buy at full price and then gamble the features or wait for enough coins to lower the
cost ? What is your stake size in general? At 20p stake the game isn't as dangerous as £2 in terms of the gamble wheel.

 

[mack341]

I don't agree with you on that statement. For me it's not fine that people accuse games of being rigged.
I also know that no one that works in any casino likes it. Not anyone who creates the games either.

To me it will never be part of the gambling talk. If I don't believe anything is rigged I wouldn't say it if I couldn't prove it. I hope people will stop thinking it's okay.

I also believe the OP have had bad luck with this game, like many others. It's mostly those that have bad luck that are screaming the loudest.

I did exclude Trance I can understand it if he finds it irksome, if you read what I said in my other post; the odds, weighting and maths of a slot etc.. can on occasion give a player such a bad an experience, similar to being on the wrong end of a compensated slot, that he will exclaim its rigged! And then next month he plays it again and has a totally different experience and wins, then it was rigged in his favour and not somebody else's

Everyone will have bad luck at some time, some more than others, calling a game rigged after a bad experience is as much a safety valve as anything, it does you good to vent anger sometimes. You can ban the specific word 'rigged' but players will just come up with other ways to phrase and imply it.

 

[Tirilej]

I did exclude Trance I can understand it if he finds it irksome, if you read what I said in my other post; the odds, weighting and maths of a slot etc.. can on occasion give a player such a bad an experience, similar to being on the wrong end of a compensated slot, that he will exclaim its rigged! And then next month he plays it again and has a totally different experience and wins, then it was rigged in his favour and not somebody else's

Everyone will have bad luck at some time, some more than others, calling a game rigged after a bad experience is as much a safety valve as anything, it does you good to vent anger sometimes. You can ban the specific word 'rigged' but players will just come up with other ways to phrase and imply it.

You can defend and explain how much you like. I am of the old school who doesn't like that kind of talk.
I can hit a wall or scream. I would feel embarrassed telling everyone on the net in that kind of way though, but that is me. I hope I've taught my kid to not behave that way either but to get angry for the right reasons.

 

[Reelsoffun]

Reels I see you have done 8305 spins, do you ever buy at full price and then gamble the features or wait for enough coins to lower the
cost ? What is your stake size in general? At 20p stake the game isn't as dangerous as £2 in terms of the gamble wheel.

Oh trust me its just as tilting losing features at 20p/40p trigger after ages of waiting or buying in at the £10/20/30

Its a mixture, used to play 20p 40p normal base spins but most of the latest is £10, £20 and £30 feature buys.

I track each gamble wheel separate as well, not each feature as a whole, this is because you can go through scenarios of losing the first green wheel 2 times to then get to the blue wheel and lose making it feel like 3 losses in a row but actually its not, its 2 losses and one win on green and 1 loss on blue.

Yes its random, but probability is still at play here so my next features in theory i can still lose blue next time, so if i was to get past the green on the next that is now 2L2W and if loss the blue is 2L0W so again in theory chance of losing blue again is lower but now green is on expected and can now lose just as easy again etc etc

This makes it brutal when the wheels are out of "sync" where your winning on one constantly and losing on the other. When it syncs the other way and green and blue wheels are winning at the same time is where the good times happen and you recover big losses, its a game of patience, luck and grind after all its a HV slot your dealing with.

As i said above feature buys are NOT a quick way to big wins, they are merely a short cut to a feature entry, eg cutting out the potential spins required to get one, even at 20p you can lose £20 - £30 sometimes before triggering one if you even trigger one at all! yet you can trigger one instantly for £10, its all maths, every short cut has to be paid for.

I agree its a dangerous game, but in many ways all HV slots are, chasing games like IR and DOA are just as dangerous of potentially putting thousands in without ever hitting a big feature.

Back to chilli a mate of mine that has a bigger bankroll and budget to me plays it on feature buys ALL the time and recently had 4 features in a row 24, 24, 20, 20 spins he chicken out the last two purely because he was convinced they couldnt win again even though mathematically he had a 60/40 chance! im not sure what his stats are currently but the last time i asked it was 4,200 plays and way over 300% due to many of the 24's and 20's giving big wins

 

[mack341]

You can defend and explain how much you like. I am of the old school who doesn't like that kind of talk.
I can hit a wall or scream. I would feel embarrassed telling everyone on the net in that kind of way though, but that is me. I hope I've taught my kid to not behave that way either but to get angry for the right reasons.

Each to his own I guess, and as we're feeling free to be honest the above in bold isn't exactly how I would phrase something, to me that comes across as a bit blunt and rude and the rest also leaves something up in the air regarding morally superior behaviour as it were, which is ridiculous over the use of the word 'rigged' if you don't mind me saying... when you say you're of the old school that doesn't like that kind of talk, that's fine. Maybe in sweden to call something rigged is a stronger, more hurtful accusation than in the UK [ more akin to calling someone a monocled nonce ] you should hear how we speak about politicians

 

[goatwack]

Each to his own I guess, and as we're feeling free to be honest the above in bold isn't exactly how I would phrase something, to me that comes across as a bit blunt and rude and the rest also leaves something up in the air regarding morally superior behaviour as it were, which is ridiculous over the use of the word 'rigged' if you don't mind me saying... when you say you're of the old school that doesn't like that kind of talk, that's fine. Maybe in sweden to call something rigged is a stronger, more hurtful accusation than in the UK [ more akin to calling someone a monocled nonce ] you should hear how we speak about politicians

Hey listen pal, if Sara says you can't use certain words or phrases just don't do it, yeah?

 

[Tirilej]

Each to his own I guess, and as we're feeling free to be honest the above in bold isn't exactly how I would phrase something, to me that comes across as a bit blunt and rude and the rest also leaves something up in the air regarding morally superior behaviour as it were, which is ridiculous over the use of the word 'rigged' if you don't mind me saying... when you say you're of the old school that doesn't like that kind of talk, that's fine. Maybe in sweden to call something rigged is a stronger, more hurtful accusation than in the UK [ more akin to calling someone a monocled nonce ] you should hear how we speak about politicians

If any of dunovers talk in his videos is how any of you talk for normal or write, then I believe you.

No, what I mean is more that I wish people would get upset a bit more instead over companies that are producing rigged/fake games. That they would scream a bit higher at real big problems instead of accusing those that have licensed and controlled games.
When the thread about Affpower/GameTech went on there was not many players that said anything. It's like most only care when they lose their own money but don't care at all about that kind of problems.

 

[robby811]

Hey listen pal, if Sara says you can't use certain words or phrases just don't do it, yeah?

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[goatwack]

What, 'Rugged'?

You're rugged? What a stud!

 

[robby811]

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[robby811]

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[goatwack]

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Ripped? So you work out?

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