New Slot Announcement Extra Chilli, BTG

[torors]

Okay, to put the discussion to rest I'll whip out a bot that does nothing but gamble bought features in demo play.

What metrics do you find interesting?

 

[goatwack]

Time to have a laugh at my expense but this post is based on personal findings with this slot and not just one or two either.

Not read every post fully, nor re-read but has anyone differentiated between brought features (or triggered by the final coin) against natural triggers?

I have noticed since release, the gamble wheel is FAR MORE forthcoming (in terms of winning!) when the feature triggers of its own accord and NOT purchased/triggered by final coin.

This in the main is from the 8-12 gamble where from natural triggers I have won many more times than I have lost.

Purchased features on the other hand have lost most of the gambles, plus the ones which actually do go to the 12 block the wins by continually placing 2x high symbol stacks on reels 1 and 2 - TOO often to be random outcomes.

Still play it though

A few weeks ago I remember losing about £25, getting the bonus organically and receiving most of it back. Almost to the penny actually.....

Haven't played it at great length but the bonuses have mostly been reimbursing me my losses. When buying the feature though (three/ four times) the results have stuck out like a sore thumb. That is, terrible. Bought one for £15 or so, won about 60p and shit like that.

So hardly spreadsheet material but I see how the game's natural 'flow' is almost in cahoots with one's balance!

Now where's my meds

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Okay, to put the discussion to rest I'll whip out a bot that does nothing but gamble bought features in demo play.

What metrics do you find interesting?

Thanks torors that's a a great suggestion

I would say that it's the 8 to 12 free spins gamble from the basic feature buy/feature drop in that's of interest. (The one from the H-O-T trigger.)

Basically, it's is this gamble 50/50 as presented by the wheel, or more like 60/40 or 65/35 or even 70/30.

 

[Balthazar]

If BTG explicitly confirmed that it was 50-50, and it turns out not to be true, I'll get my pitchfork ready.

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

We would like to confirm that the make up of the wheel does indeed reflect the true value RTP.
This would be a compliance issue (if we were not to display this) in Canada where we license games to the British Columbian Lottery and Lotto Quebec.

Another compliance ruling in Extra Chilli is The Danish Gambling Authority along with other jurisdictional authorities, stipulated that we state the best strategy in the help, which in this case is to Gamble with the wheel. However, you need to remember that the difference is as small increase in RTP and if you collect 8 consistently the RTP is 96.15% it's just less volatile. Whether you lose or win on the wheel the RTP remains the same, long term.

The Wheel

The first spin is 50/50 and all proceeding gambles are 60/40 odds on.
However on subsequent gambles the odds diminish to roughly a 1 in 10 chance of getting to 24 from 8.

0.5 x 0.6 x 0.6 x 0.6 = 0.108 or 1 in 10

With a natural scatter +4 it's 1 in 5 etc...
You can work out the others by adding/removing the wheel progressions.

The principle of the gamble is for players to push up the games volatility or not. A great deal of criticism in the Bonanza thread, was more often than not to do with the free spin frequency, where individuals stated they would like to see the feature more and wouldn't mind if it paid less (I'll have a look for the exact quote later). We have delivered the latter but we have also offered players something new, an option to raise the stakes and play a higher volatility bonus game or not.

With Extra Chilli you have a great deal more options and comparing it to Bonanza is a little bit like comparing apples and oranges. It's like comparing Rainbow Riches to Dead or Alive because that are both 3x5.

Just for the sake of argument, this morning, I donned my tin foil hat, flipped a coin ten times over 20 sessions to see how many it took to get a result of 5 heads/5 tails... after 20 groups of 10 I gave up trying realising that the coin was indeed rigged!

My last 4 results...

17) 1121211111 - 80% Heads
18) 1121212222 - 60% Heads (closest)
19) 1222222222 - 10% Heads
20) 1111211122 - 70% Heads - gave up!

However if you look at the bold section between 19 and 20 - I achieved 50/50 - just not during my set sessions.

As always, happy to answer any other questions.

Big Time Gaming official

Quoted for posterity.

 

[snorky510238]

About a week ago I posted the outcome of my first experience of the buy the feature option. Stating I would never do it again as the total win was zero. There I am low rolling 20p at VS and I had 5 natural features. They paid x90 x50 (both retriggered) x20 x2 x2. I had quite a bit of gameplay but ultimately had lost most of my bankroll so with the feature buy at £2.60 I figure I haven’t much to lose. WRONG I had £2.60 to lose because my second attempt at buying the feature again resulted in zero. I wasn’t to bothered as I am only playing 20p but if I had this sort of outcome buying for £40 or something I wouldn’t be happy. The bottom line is irrespective of the amount of money lost this buy the feature in my opinion is very immoral.

 

[slotmaster]

I don’t believe for 1 second that any slot can be random in the true sense of the word. If you think about it logically there are many facts to back this up. I don’t believe that all possible combinations/ outcomes are programmed in to start with. If I am wrong on this excuse me but I have never heard of anyone hitting 6 diamonds on “Rhino” yet they are on every reel. Never heard of 5 scatters let alone 6 on DHV. With the millions of spins being done on these slots it would come up sometime. Like I said if it has I haven’t heard of it. As for the gamble wheel on “chilli”. No I could never believe it’s random. Just like any other spinning wheel. The result is generally not in the players favour even when it’s depicted as 50/50. Take the bonus wheel at Rizk there are equal sized segments with various goodies up for grabs. 90% of the time you hit the lowest 5 spins. It’s not a coincidence.

I got 5 scatters not long ago, like 2 weeks ago maybe on DHV but yes it surprised the heck out of me and I did wonder the same if 5 or 6 has ever been hit before this event than I hit 5,lol.

 

[mcgameboy]

I got 5 scatters not long ago, like 2 weeks ago maybe on DHV but yes it surprised the heck out of me and I did wonder the same if 5 or 6 has ever been hit before this event than I hit 5,lol.

I'm 99% certain that 1 person on this forum has posted 6 scatters for DHV. I'm also fairly sure that the person isn't a CM "regular".

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Gambled to 20 spins on this last week.

13 opening dead spins.

Ended up with 4X.

Another monitor and mouse ruined thanks to BTG.

 

[mcgameboy]

Gambled to 20 spins on this last week.

13 opening dead spins.

Ended up with 4X.

Another monitor and mouse ruined thanks to BTG.

That is truly disgusting. So much for BTG's claim that gambling the wheel is ALWAYS the best strategy.
Just a load of BS spiel that was made up with one objective in mind. To swell their coffers at a faster rate.

 

[snorky510238]

Gambled to 20 spins on this last week.

13 opening dead spins.

Ended up with 4X.

Another monitor and mouse ruined thanks to BTG.

It seems wrong to like your post. I wondered about this. If the feature win is predetermined how does the win amount change with the gamble. By a percentage, randomly (hate that word). I would like to know because if they claim it’s random then there is no guarantee you will win more it’s just law of averages saying more spins more wins but as you found out having 12 extra spins yielded very little.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

I actually have it on video but the language is far to vile to post!!!

 

[snorky510238]

I actually have it on video but the language is far to vile to post!!!

I can imagine. Definitely x rated.

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

I've has similar bonuses on all btg slots.
But I can still understand that gambling the wheel would produce the best results in the long run, it's essentially increasing the volatility greatly to gain a small overall rtp.

 

[goatwack]

A company urging players to gamble on a bonkled wheel tells you everything you need to know

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

A company urging players to gamble on a bonkled wheel tells you everything you need to know

You mean they don't have our best interests at heart??

 

[steveh35]

When I load Chilli or Bonanza on Videoslots it says it is an SG Digital game now not Big Time Gaming

 

[snorky510238]

When I load Chilli or Bonanza on Videoslots it says it is an SG Digital game now not Big Time GamingView attachment 93182

Yes pretty much all sites now. Although I played somewhere last night where some were SG and some were still Btg strange one. The thing that hasn’t changed is the difficulty in loading btg on a mobile. Dhv is nigh on impossible on most sites you have to reload at least once play a couple of spins and get disconnected. At Thrills I can’t even load extra chilli it just says error ending game. I do wish Btg would sort it out it’s been like this for months now. Is it the same for those who play on laptops?

 

[goatwack]

Yes pretty much all sites now. Although I played somewhere last night where some were SG and some were still Btg strange one. The thing that hasn’t changed is the difficulty in loading btg on a mobile. Dhv is nigh on impossible on most sites you have to reload at least once play a couple of spins and get disconnected. At Thrills I can’t even load extra chilli it just says error ending game. I do wish Btg would sort it out it’s been like this for months now. Is it the same for those who play on laptops?

BTG loads pretty well on laptops, unfortunately

 

[snorky510238]

BTG loads pretty well on laptops, unfortunately

Damn I am fond of my laptop.

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

Okay, to put the discussion to rest I'll whip out a bot that does nothing but gamble bought features in demo play.

What metrics do you find interesting?

Have any luck with this?

 

[torors]

Have any luck with this?

Yes. Holidays and nice weather stalling progress a bit though.

If anyone could provide me with a proper environment to run the bots on, progress would be a lot quicker.

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

Yes. Holidays and nice weather stalling progress a bit though.

If anyone could provide me with a proper environment to run the bots on, progress would be a lot quicker.

Can't help you there...
Think Microsoft's cloud servers give you 48 hours of free server time? Azure?

 

[SteveBr]

If anyone could provide me with a proper environment to run the bots on, progress would be a lot quicker.

What would you need for this? I’ve got some spare capacity going.

 

[torors]

What would you need for this? I’ve got some spare capacity going.

A Node.js environment running on any OS would do.

 

[SteveBr]

A Node.js environment running on any OS would do.

I’ve sent you a pm

 

[steveh35]

I just got a zero bonus on chilli, it feels so deflating lol to watch 8 spins on a btg game produce nothing.

 

[Jono777]

I just got a zero bonus on chilli, it feels so deflating lol to watch 8 spins on a btg game produce nothing.

Managed that a cpl of times. I actually prefer it to the gazillion times it delivers 0.34p, 0.59p... you get the idea

 

[robby811]

Dont play 8Spins Bonuses !!!!

 

[steveh35]

Dont play 8Spins Bonuses !!!!

I had £1 left I wasn't risking it I have had plenty of good wins from 8 spins

 

[Jono777]

Dont play 8Spins Bonuses !!!!

I said that when it first came out, always gamble to at least the 12.

However eaten my words since, some of my best bonuses came from 8FS, You know 8/10 when its going to pay from the 8FS as it will re-trigger in first few spins

 

[paul7388]

I said that when it first came out, always gamble to at least the 12.

However eaten my words since, some of my best bonuses came from 8FS, You know 8/10 when its going to pay from the 8FS as it will re-trigger in first few spins

This is what happens tho as the slots are Randomsated.

I Rarely play that slot but i think the gamble features a joke. If it is going to pay out it will pay with 8 or 24 spins. How often does Bonanza pay the lot in first few spins or last couple of spins. The rest are dead spins.

 

[robby811]

I only play 8spins when i got no money left in my account and no other choice otherwise i gamble at least one time

 

[mcgameboy]

I hardly ever play the game, because it's just a total borefest. Twice as easy to trigger the feature than Bonanza, you say BTG?
Not in my experience. Twice as difficult would be a more accurate assessment. I feel more comfortable betting £1 a spin on Bonanza than I would playing this
piece of garbage at 20p a spin. That's how bad this game is.

And for that reason, I refuse to buy the feature on principle alone. And I also refuse to gamble the feature on principle alone.
Even when I get my "free shot" after the feature drop reaches £0.00, I still refuse to gamble the feature, simply because the features are so scarce as it is.
I refuse to play the game that BTG wants me to play, which is to spunk my entire gambling budget on feature buys, so they can take my money quicker.
No way BTG, you can fucking whistle for it.

Apart from anything else, I have seen reports of players successfully gambling all the way to 24 spins.
Only to come away from that 24 spin feature with a round total win of.....less than 5x!!

Are you fucking kidding me BTG? Gambling the feature is ALWAYS the best strategy?

Piss off BTG, you lying cunts.

 

[lockinlove]

Exactly. We're all discussing something that may or may not exist (the 3000 spins data). Some forum member suggesting that the slot isn't random and that "he knows 3 guys that are compiling" isn't cutting it. Same forum member who previously said that streamers are "sketchy" and labeled another BTG slot as "the worst slot of all time". I think we need to take a step back until we get a little more details about that.

Keep in mind that BTG have everything to lose by lying about those odds. They are making so much money with their slots, it's going to take a bit more than those allusions to believe that they are dumb enough to compromise all their credibility with such frivolous lies.

If someone really wants to know if it's 50-50 or not, all it takes is a couple of hundred tries. Feel free to do it.

First of all I am a she. Second of all I am not a liar. 3rd of all im not some forum member, I am the forum firecracker. But you suggesting im making it up is childish. Feel free to grow up.

I asked the BTG rep what they though of it. Whats the problem? Im not the one doing it, I dont even really play slots and ive barely even played this slot at all. So feel free to cry about something else about someone else.

 

[robby811]

Lockinlove on Fire

 

[goatwack]

She's a firecracker alright!

 

[robby811]

She's a firecracker alright!

Firecracker on Fire against the N word u know @goatwack with 3 letters

 

[goatwack]

Firecracker on Fire against the N word u know @goatwack with 3 letters

Nit?

 

[robby811]

Nit?

Nice try , Nob ?

 

[maxd]

... Are you fucking kidding me BTG? Gambling the feature is ALWAYS the best strategy?
Piss off BTG, you lying cunts.

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[robby811]

ups Hard Punishment may be a warning Sign would be enough too for the first ?!?

 

[robby811]

Anybody know why the Game is not powered by SG at vera & john casino

The Loading Screen is also different from the others

 

[goatwack]

McGameboy's post was certainly....'florid', but I don't see why a warning didn't suffice? It wasn't aimed at any member and just another in a long line of vents to be found throughout both of BTG's threads......

Would a simple slap on the wrist & snip combo not have been enough on this occasion?

 

[robby811]

McGameboy's post was certainly....'florid', but I don't see why a warning didn't suffice? It wasn't aimed at any member and just another in a long line of vents to be found throughout both of BTG's threads......

Would a simple slap on the wrist & snip combo not have been enough on this occasion?

Agree as I posted above, and i don t understand why this Guy who called me a "nazi" not get a Lifetimeban then (he got only a Warning)

 

[goatwack]

Agree as I posted above, and i don t understand why this Guy who called me a "nazi" not get a Lifetimeban then (he got only a Warning)

Remember, we can't use 'n*b' anymore now Robby. Sorry!

 

[paul7388]

McGameboy's post was certainly....'florid', but I don't see why a warning didn't suffice? It wasn't aimed at any member and just another in a long line of vents to be found throughout both of BTG's threads......

Would a simple slap on the wrist & snip combo not have been enough on this occasion?

Agree with what you say about it not being directed at anyone.

But as there is a BTG rep it could look to Max like he is calling him it.

 

[goatwack]

Agree with what you say about it not being directed at anyone.

But as there is a BTG rep it could look to Max like he is calling him it.

"***** *** ***********"

Yes, I am that predictable!

 

[robby811]

Remember, we can't use 'n*b' anymore now Robby. Sorry!

Its Code Word nobody know what it means nit

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

Are you fucking kidding me BTG? Gambling the feature is ALWAYS the best strategy?

Piss off BTG, you lying cunts.

Yes let's defend this guy...
A weeks probation is fine for such juvenile behaviour.