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I think it would stop when players talk with their wallet - if players didnt continue to play them, they wouldnt be profitable for the casino and wouldnt be licensed from the providers, who wouldnt commission the designers.
What I'm saying is, there must be an equal number, or more, players who enjoy certain games we see players complain about, or said games wouldnt be produced. I imagine they have a good feel what the players what, not merely influence what players play.
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ps you need to tag Trancemonkey thusly - @trancemonkey in order for him to be alerted to your post
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I blame Barcrap and their super crap spin crap, Buy a feature has been been around for a while.
BGT are just enhancing things a bit.
BGT are just enhancing things a bit.
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Think about it logically.BTG have a massive money spinner in Bonanza do you really think they thought hang on a minute let's be kind to our punters and bring out extra chilli that pays out a lot more so they never have to play that wretched Bonanza ever again.Quite the opposite me thinks.Its just another wolf in sheeps clothing.
I have a thread asking people what extra rules or different regulations people want from UKGC or MGA.
Not many answers there. So what do we want?
Do we want a max loss limit... we already got that. Do we want UKGC to set that limit for us? I don't want that.
Do we want a max bet limit set by UKGC for us at (probably) 5.00? I don't want that.
Do we want a max win set by UKGC at (probably) 5.000? I don't want that.
Do we want only LV games with 100x max win? I don't want that.
I want freedom to choose. And I want information and I want casinos to pay winnings immediately and without limitations.
Not many answers there. So what do we want?
Do we want a max loss limit... we already got that. Do we want UKGC to set that limit for us? I don't want that.
Do we want a max bet limit set by UKGC for us at (probably) 5.00? I don't want that.
Do we want a max win set by UKGC at (probably) 5.000? I don't want that.
Do we want only LV games with 100x max win? I don't want that.
I want freedom to choose. And I want information and I want casinos to pay winnings immediately and without limitations.
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This is exactly my point... players are not forced to gamble. Nor are they forced to play any particular game.
The most likely scenario is that the UKGC end up limiting the maximum stake like they will in the bookmakers.
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As you say we are not forced to gamble So with that in mind you will just chuck out any thing?. or do you have a limit to what you think is wrong?.
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Well I'd suspect, legitimate operators, within the confines of allowability, what is fun and profitable and has broad appeal.
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Of course we have limits to what we think is wrong... but what I think is wrong isnt necessarily what BTG think is wrong, or Playtech, or whoever.
And players can speak with their wallets as was mentioned... don't like it, don't play it. Simples.
We all work within the framework of the law as it's written. We have a responsibility to make good games, fair games, and at the same time we have to make money. Which means we need to make games people want to play...
@ trancemonkey just btw
can you please do ur job and put some Trance or Techno Beatz in the Bonusgame its Horror.
THX
(i know you are not working at BTG but may be you can do some magic ;D) ^^
and now back to topic enjoy the discussion guys
can you please do ur job and put some Trance or Techno Beatz in the Bonusgame its Horror.
THX
(i know you are not working at BTG but may be you can do some magic ;D) ^^
and now back to topic enjoy the discussion guys
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ps you need to place the ampersand directly at the beginning of the name ex @trancemonkey - youll see it highlight the member (pop-up) along with a link in the post (or a quote triggers an alert as well.
Moot, likely, as trance is currently in the thread, but for future reference.
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So in other words yep we will keep throwing out slots no matter what.
Ill put money on the UKGC slapping a fine on a slot provider in the next few years
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I'm pretty sure that's preceisely the opposite of what he just said.
[QUOTE = "dionysus, post: 905632, member: 16800"]] ps müssen Sie das kaufmännische Und direkt an den Anfang des Namens [USER = 31691] @trenconemonkey [/ USER] - Sie werden sehen, dass das Mitglied hervorgehoben wird (Pop-up) zusammen mit einem Link im Beitrag (oder einem Zitat ist auch eine Warnung aus).
Moot, wahrlich, als Trance ist im Thread, aber für zukünftige Referenz.[/ ZITAT]
Tut mir leid, aber ich verstehe nicht viel, vielleicht was schlecht ist ......... nicht doch mal mit versteh ich es aber nicht schlimm xD
und wegen dem Übersetzer is nun der QUOTE kaputt xD
Moot, wahrlich, als Trance ist im Thread, aber für zukünftige Referenz.
[/ ZITAT]Tut mir leid, aber ich verstehe nicht viel, vielleicht was schlecht ist ......... nicht doch mal mit versteh ich es aber nicht schlimm xD
und wegen dem Übersetzer is nun der QUOTE kaputt xD
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[QUOTE = "dionysus, post: 905632, member: 16800"]] ps müssen Sie das kaufmännische Und direkt an den Anfang des Namens absetzen [USER = 31691] @trenconemonkey [/ USER] - Sie werden sehen, dass das Mitglied hervorgehoben wird (Pop-up) zusammen mit einem Link im Beitrag (oder einem Zitat ist auch eine Warnung aus).
Moot, wahrlich, als Trance ist im Thread, aber für zukünftige Referenz.
Tut mir leid, aber ich verstehe nicht viel, vielleicht wegen schlechten Englisch ....noch nicht mal mit übersetzer versteh ich es aber nicht schlimm xD
youre diong better than me - i dont understand a lick of the above.
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[QUOTE = "dionysus, post: 905632, member: 16800"]] ps müssen Sie das kaufmännische Und direkt an den Anfang des Namens [USER = 31691] @trenconemonkey [/ USER] - Sie werden sehen, dass das Mitglied hervorgehoben wird (Pop-up) zusammen mit einem Link im Beitrag (oder einem Zitat ist auch eine Warnung aus).
Moot, wahrlich, als Trance ist im Thread, aber für zukünftige Referenz.
Tut mir leid, aber ich verstehe nicht viel, vielleicht was schlecht ist ......... nicht doch mal mit versteh ich es aber nicht schlimm xD
und wegen dem Übersetzer is nun der QUOTE kaputt xD
My German isn't up to the required level to understand this yet...
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A fine for doing what exactly? Unless we break the law / regulations, there is nothing the UKGC can do. They set the rules we have to work within... and all ethical companies will work within them.
Personally I think offering stakes above £20 to be unecessary. But until the UKGC does something about it, then the casinos will allow stakes higher than that.
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Mine starts and ends with Ja, Nein, and a few words Nightcrawler said (unglaublich)
in the X-Men comics when I was a kid.
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Have a look at the UKGC over the last few years could your really say they wont turn on slot providers?. BTG are Taking slots in a Different way now and other providers will do same one will eventually push the limits to far ( to me i think BTG are doing that now). I think you has a slot provider think you aint doing any thing wrong and you can throw out any old crap it you think is alright.
Forgot ask what provider do you work with any way?.
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I think the UKGC has made some appropraite - and inappropriate nannying - decisions.
As to any old crap, there's guidelines must be followed. If the game mechanics arent to ones liking, well, there's other games. If mechanics are circumspect, thankfully there's savvy members to pick up on it.
But I dont think style not to ones liking is grounds to bar games. I dont enjoy BTG. Therefore, I dont play them.
As to any old crap, there's guidelines must be followed. If the game mechanics arent to ones liking, well, there's other games. If mechanics are circumspect, thankfully there's savvy members to pick up on it.
But I dont think style not to ones liking is grounds to bar games. I dont enjoy BTG. Therefore, I dont play them.
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Well done No Problem i will do it next time
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I don't like a few things that the UKGC does and a lot are nannying. But gambling should have certain limits and i really don't think the slot providers are doing enough there side.
To me looks like slot provider's are just after a quick buck now
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I agree....ish.
However, if they only produced games solely to line their pockets, savvy players would quickly move to new haunting grounds, therefore making sole money-making attempts fruitless/counter-productive.
Like I mentioned, I dont particularly like BTG but theyre monstrously famous here in the forum.
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Just out of interest, what kind of things would you like to see the UKGC ban or at least get involved with?
And I work for IGT - land-based, not online.
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Any old crap? Do You think we can honestly throw out "any old crap" and people will just play it?
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You played any netent lately?
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I'm Canadian; we havent been able to play Netent for...2...3 years?
edit - apologies, i didnt see that was directed toward trance
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Not sure on the UKGC Nothing shocks me with them, but for them to just stand by and see players buy x amount of features and spend x amount of money with no return in a short amount of time after all that song and dance about UK betting shop FOBT's. I really cant see them not doing something
Now you could turn around and say hey the casino should be keeping an eye on players spending under these new UKGC laws ( do they have enough to spend that amount). but then that passes the blame to every other person apart for the slot providers
I do think you as slot providers should do a lot more.
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just about the same time same they started bring out shit games. any netent game you miss playing?
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From what I've seen in the forum, I'm not missing much
Though I had hoped to finally get a DOA retrigger and wild line
But all in all, seems fortuitous they dont allow us to play
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So what you're saying is that the players have no responsibility for their actions and that we shouldn't offer fun and exciting gambling opportunities in case some people fail to control themselves?
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shut your mouth. Imagine if I couldnt buy liquor because some drunkard couldnt say no
Kidding aside, I'm glad theyre clamping down on problem gambling (to a degree - not the new ridiculous nanny state of affairs) but I'd hate someone to determine I cant play because some arse pissed away his home while I play a strict allowance AFTER all other financial needs are tended to.
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Well there's a world of difference between a rubbish game and a game that is designed to mislead, or force you to gamble...
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Does that work with problem gamblers?. or you just normal players. yes we can say no and not play, but you can also say thats a bit to far.
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Does what work with problem gamblers?
There are already a lot of tools the UKGC has introduced to help problem gamblers. Casinos are having to do source of wealth checks more and more for those betting high stakes or betting a lot. There is also GamStop coming out soon.
I'm not really sure what you are suggesting... how would you legislate against what BTG have done, except for limiting the maximum stake.
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No but i do think you slot providers should have limits. gamblers do have the option to say no but providers should be limited, you can make plenty of good games that dont take the piss which are pure entertainment with good pay tables. yet so many slot providers are going the greed way saying like you its entertainment.
Look at the older games mg, netent plenty of entertainment and not taking the piss, Immortal romance one of my fav games good slot good pay table and a very good game. so many to choose from, now all you provider's put the word entertainment by any old crap as you think your right
And when it come to the UKGC there clearly making a fuss about problem gamblers and soon there eyes going to turn to you lot
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so as a slot provider you don't take in to account the effects off problems gamblers or that to much for you
just looks like to me you clearly think its every other ones job but yours as slot providers to help problem gamblers
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Have to admit skimmed through most of the thread quickly, but i just wanted to say that this looks like a great game! Can't wait to play it for real, just had a little bash on it in playmoney, and i like the twist on Bonanza..not yet quite sure if i will be buying features, but i'll certainly gamble for some extra spins...
Assuming if it gives you the same option for a double +4 trigger, in terms of gamble choices: if you have 16, you can gamle for 20 and get 8 guaranteed, which would be the best pre-set scenario to try a gamble..Hopefully i'll see a few of those whilst lowrolling, so i can go for the 24 spins then, and use regular triggers as they come. Or isn't that the safest way to try? I suck at math, but i would think that's the most advantageous: anyone already tried this?
Assuming if it gives you the same option for a double +4 trigger, in terms of gamble choices: if you have 16, you can gamle for 20 and get 8 guaranteed, which would be the best pre-set scenario to try a gamble..Hopefully i'll see a few of those whilst lowrolling, so i can go for the 24 spins then, and use regular triggers as they come. Or isn't that the safest way to try? I suck at math, but i would think that's the most advantageous: anyone already tried this?
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im sure slot developers are loving this one because effectively btg found a way around theoretical RTP while still having rtp of 96%. cant wait for this one to arrive at VS to see its true rtp in play.
Speaking of which how does this one work, does it compensate for lost rounds with 0% rtp like fobts ?? If not this slot could easily achieve lifetime rtp of 66% if people keep on gambling their features. And mind you, gambling your features until 24 spins is something btg themselves suggested upon slot release. something like optimal strategy of sorts?
seriously id expect better responses from you instead of getting odd quirky remarks like "you are not forced to gamble" or "OMG GAMBLERS ARE GAMBLING", but i cant say im surprised to see you defending this one and novelty it brought to online slots alltogether.
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I wonder if this akin to say Goblin's Cave, where the rtp will differ depending on whether you choose to play optimum strategy..or even any slot that has a gamble feature.
I'm asking, not to be a wiseass, but because as anyone knows, maths are my krypotnite
Perhaps @trancemonkey can best talk about parellels.
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Not at all... and not entirely sure how you get the feeling i think that from anything i've said.
The industry (as a whole) AND the players themselves have a duty of care. We have some very strict guidelines we have to adhere to.
Personally, if i was buying a feature for $1000, i wouldn't be stupid enough to gamble at the risk of getting nothing.
If the initial feature costs £1000, then if you DO NOT gamble, and always take the feature, the average feature prize will be 96% of £1000.
If you choose to gamble (and the gamble will have to be true odds, and run at 100% RTP) then 50% of the time you'll lose, and 50% of the time you'll win.
Is that immoral? I'm not sure BUT i think it IS possibly encouraging people to play at a much higher relative stake than they would normally - and therefore you could argue that buy-a-feature should be outlawed - but you can't really do that and not also pass a "maximum stake" law.
On a personal level, I would like to see the buy-a-feature capped at £100.
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Goblin's Cave is no different to Blackjack really - if you play like an idiot, you'll get a much lower RTP.
As long as the best strategy is detailed, i don't see what the issue is.
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tbh I never, ever gamble my win- i take it and run
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I would respect the role of the UKGC a lot more if they did the one thing that is really needed.
Ban bloody reversals
Cannot understand why this was not a priority when they started getting seriously involved
with the industry.All it needed was a simple directive and would do more for player protection
than all autoplay limit,loss limit,time limit crap put together.
Ban bloody reversals
Cannot understand why this was not a priority when they started getting seriously involved
with the industry.All it needed was a simple directive and would do more for player protection
than all autoplay limit,loss limit,time limit crap put together.
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Yes.
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