Evolution Live Roulette - the most awesome thread of conspiracy theorists

[bradztheman]

The way this strategy came to me is somewhat embarrassing, but it was a valuable lesson learned. Although it should have been obvious to me from the start

I was once awarded a £2500 bonus from a Paddy Power Live Casino prize draw, with a 10x playthrough.

Betting fairly recklessly, I managed to push it up to £4k+, (with about £12k still left to playthrough), after an evening out, I returned and continued the same strategy, and blew the lot.

In hindsight, I should have played the remainder through by betting level £100s on the simple chances, which was allowed in the bonus terms because of the size of the original bonus, and I would have walked away with plus/minus four grand. How could I have been so stupid?

Or you mean just keep betting red £100 each time, until you reached the £12k playthrough and hopefully the reds/blacks would have levelled out?

 

[bradztheman]

The way this strategy came to me is somewhat embarrassing, but it was a valuable lesson learned. Although it should have been obvious to me from the start

I was once awarded a £2500 bonus from a Paddy Power Live Casino prize draw, with a 10x playthrough.

Betting fairly recklessly, I managed to push it up to £4k+, (with about £12k still left to playthrough), after an evening out, I returned and continued the same strategy, and blew the lot.

In hindsight, I should have played the remainder through by betting level £100s on the simple chances, which was allowed in the bonus terms because of the size of the original bonus, and I would have walked away with plus/minus four grand. How could I have been so stupid?

Where are u from btw? Do you still use paddypower? I noticed they removed the vesta and aphrodite roulette tables. Hmmmm

 

[ed skull murphy]

Where are u from btw? Do you still use paddypower? I noticed they removed the vesta and aphrodite roulette tables. Hmmmm

Albion is the ancient name for the island of Great Britain. I'm from Middlesex.

I'd not noticed the removal of the tables you mentioned, but I generally look for the trends and the croupiers rather than any particular table.

Backing opposing simple chances would not count towards bonus playthrough, and would be rather stupid, to boot. I generally look at the trend and back the colour or passe/manque or odd/even which is most prevalent until I get ahead. If I get behind, I'll keep going with the same bet until I get back up, they generally even themselves up.

Obviously, I only do this when there is a bonus in play, otherwise it is a waste of time. Prabably best to play a French table with la partage rules.

You could also back the same particular section of the wheel at level stakes, but I prefer to do it this way. It is uncommon, however, for me to take or receive such large bonuses or large prizes, maybe a dozen times or so.

 

[bradztheman]

Me and everyone else needs to find a non-fraudulent game host.
Preferably not run from Malta, which is notoriously under control of the maffia. Their entire economy is dependent on crime.

Kelepa which table did you see these insane spins on?

Have to say i think its fixed only at certain times. I ‘have’ seen the ball jumping like youve posted in your videos before, but only ‘at certain times’ it seems. Maybe when theyre at a loss...

How can anyone who has watched Kelepa’s roulette videos of how the ball lands, can say it’s not fixed needs their head examined! There is no way the ball can physically do that on its on. Its like its being pulled on a peice of string or magnetic force or air.

 

[bradztheman]

Mate those ball jumps are INSANE!!!!!

I thought ive seen some funny things but this is a different league!! There is no way physics is the cause of this, this is air pressure, suction, or magnets. They should be shut down for this!!

I decided to play last night, but not on my normal 2 or 3 dozens, i did small sections instead, like Orphalins, only several numbers, i seemed to be doing really well, gor upto £200 from £15! I was winning silly amounts, from SMALL amounts. I could tel that it was fixed, from the way the ball was landing (like in your videos) but it was actually fixed in my favour!! Up until when i was at £200, i decided to do reds/blacks, and lost the lot. Just shows if you bet a small amount on small amount of numbers, you got a better chance as it scams the people who cover more of the board (in my opinion).

Tell you something else ove noticed which is VERY UNPROFESSIONAL, the wheel is ALWAYS going clockwise. Usually the cropier after every spin changes the direction of the wheel after every spin, and also changes the direction the ball is spun.... not on this table...

She also never adjusts the speed of the wheel. Most croupiers change it up, like ive said.

 

[ed skull murphy]

How can anyone who has watched Kelepa’s roulette videos of how the ball lands, can say it’s not fixed needs their head examined! There is no way the ball can physically do that on its on. Its like its being pulled on a peice of string or magnetic force or air.

We can think it, without outright saying it. Unless I have seen irrefutable, documented evidence, I am not going to accuse anyone of anything.

But I do know which tables and providers I have the most luck on, and that particular table or provider is not one of them. I never play at that table - it just doesn't feel right - and like you said, they don't reverse the spin direction, and the croupier is sitting down, which is ludicrous.

Regarding the behaviour of the ball, I have seen plenty of strange landings in my time, on perfectly straight tables in bricks and mortar casinos, I'm guessing that the croupier can cause this to happen by applying some side spin upon releasing the ball, or it can be caused by hitting a diamond, or the edge of a pocket.

 

[bradztheman]

We can think it, without outright saying it. Unless I have seen irrefutable, documented evidence, I am not going to accuse anyone of anything.

But I do know which tables and providers I have the most luck on, and that particular table or provider is not one of them. I never play at that table - it just doesn't feel right - and like you said, they don't reverse the spin direction, and the croupier is sitting down, which is ludicrous.

Regarding the behaviour of the ball, I have seen plenty of strange landings in my time, on perfectly straight tables in bricks and mortar casinos, I'm guessing that the croupier can cause this to happen by applying some side spin upon releasing the ball, or it can be caused by hitting a diamond, or the edge of a pocket.

Anyone know what that table is called?
Is it mayfair roulette or just ‘roulette’?

On william hill ‘most of their croupiers on the roulette tables are sat down silly aint it!!

Just saying, there’s no way in the world that ball can land perfectly in number 33 and then literally get suck out into number 31 which is 4 numbers over

 

[ed skull murphy]

Anyone know what that table is called?
Is it mayfair roulette or just ‘roulette’?

On william hill ‘most of their croupiers on the roulette tables are sat down silly aint it!!

Just saying, there’s no way in the world that ball can land perfectly in number 33 and then literally get suck out into number 31 which is 4 numbers over

I believe that that table is called Evolution Live Roulette, it's one of the mainstays across most of the casinos who host Evolution, unfortunately.

 

[kelapa]

Kelepa which table did you see these insane spins on?

Have to say i think its fixed only at certain times. I ‘have’ seen the ball jumping like youve posted in your videos before, but only ‘at certain times’ it seems. Maybe when theyre at a loss...

How can anyone who has watched Kelepa’s roulette videos of how the ball lands, can say it’s not fixed needs their head examined! There is no way the ball can physically do that on its on. Its like its being pulled on a peice of string or magnetic force or air.

It's called Evolution Live Roulette. They get hosted everywhere, but I usually only play at Unibet.

And it's true that you see those jumps more often at certain times than others. They definitely get worse at night, when there are fewer players (and fewer witnesses).

Anyway, I'm glad that this is starting to get the attention it deserves. I've noticed that this thread shows up pretty high in Google results if you search for Evolution roulette. Hope this is the start of.. something?
Chances are that Evo will simply cover it up and get away with it. But this simply is a massive scandal waiting to have the roof blown off it. :nod:

 

[kelapa]

Regarding the behaviour of the ball, I have seen plenty of strange landings in my time, on perfectly straight tables in bricks and mortar casinos, I'm guessing that the croupier can cause this to happen by applying some side spin upon releasing the ball, or it can be caused by hitting a diamond, or the edge of a pocket.

Nah. It's 100% rigged in this case.

The ball does a lot more than just make weird loops and ricochets.

- It radically changes speed and direction without touching anything.
- It jumps back out of numbers after having sat in them for a full second.
- None of these crazy physics-defying tricks EVER turn out in your favour.
- It always (ALWAYS) finds the nearest losing number, even if it's surrounded by twelve winning numbers on both sides.
- It's not a freak occurrence. This happens non-stop, day after day, week after week, month after month.

Add to that the absolutely ridiculous statistics. Evolution is a scam company.

 

[goatwack]

So....the OP has a point and the arguments against Evolution are valid, it appears.

I don't play online Roulette much but I'll take a wide berth with this company after reading some of these shenanigans

 

[kelapa]

So....the OP has a point and the arguments against Evolution are valid, it appears.

I don't play online Roulette much but I'll take a wide berth with this company after reading some of these shenanigans

Yeah, I feel a bit sorry for the OP. He definitely got it right, but failed to provide evidence.

If you Google around a bit, you'll see other threads on other sites, all saying the exact same thing about Evolution. Same on Facebook, where there is a pretty creepy mutual backpatting going on among employees of Evolution, all of them rating their own company 5 stars and ganging up on duped clients, mocking them. It's almost like a cult.

 

[BleiFry]

If you still play there, i just can give you the advise to stop it immediatly. In a long term you will lose ONLY!
Evolution Gaming DO NOT provides fair (Roulette) Games. After years i finally stopped. The last three months i played there was just to test and see, if there really exist a manipulation. I prefered autoroulette and now after hundreds If Screenshots and videos i can clearly say, it definitly is!
After deposit - 70% winnings - 100% profit - nothing becomes strange.
After withdraw you can be sure that sooner or later you will lose everything of your cash, even if you play with 0.10€ only. There will come the most ridicolous streaks and spins, which doesnt even existed before payout.
Just have a look for 30 minutes at the spins of any of their automatic roulette tables. You will see ALOT of very strange spins which proofes, that it is possible to control the ball. And i think the autoroulette aint work random. Its a computer
If you play there for longer you will See one thing nearly every time. After a zero it comes to a streak of anything, Dozent, columns vor whatever ( watch the screens )

 

[BleiFry]

If you still play there, i just can give you the serious advice to stop immediatly.
I played there for years after i finally checked, its some thing really wrong there. And serious, posting 10 times a day doesnt make you looking good.

But now just have a look for 30 minutes at their autoroulette and you will clearly see that there really happens very strange things.
Another thing that i watched is, that after nearly every time the zero comes up, a streak of anything (Got alot of screenshots), dozens, colums, high/low, 12345 straights, whatever will come.
And in the long term you will see that their autoroulettes handles like a programmed software and sometimes maniputes the way of the ball from time to time.
In 2016 i also saw at the "La Partage Autoroulette", that after a spin starts, they slowed down the ball manually after a few rounds. Which proofs, that it is possible to get control of the ball while spinning.
Evolutions Gaming aint as honest as they act like.

 

[Rigged]

Evolution Gaming Company is 100% Scam . auto roulette are rigged too .stay away from them . don't play your money on EVl. even 1 dollar ! you always will lose and lose .

 

[Rigged]

Immersive Roulette (Evolution Gaming) Scam .

look at the first photo I got before entering game from main board .

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29 is gone !!!

it's fun cheat .

 

[kelapa]

I'm no longer playing there, but I had some free credit.
Had a few spins... and shocker: Evolution is still 100% rigged.

Every single ball got conveniently pushed out of the winning numbers and into the nearest losing one.
Btw, I have a limit on roulette now. As soon as I reached that limit and my bet got blocked, it landed exactly on what would have been THE winning number.

So yes, to sum it up: Every time you stop playing, the ball lands perfectly and exactly where you predicted. When you start playing again, the magic tricks begin and you can kiss all your money goodbye.

tl;dr: Evolution is run by the Maltese maffia. Avoid at all cost. Please do spread the word.

 

[dunover]

These casinos should have a TV in the background with say BBC news 24 on the screen. Then you can check the events are occurring in real time if you don't believe them. The number 'coincidences' I've read above are reminiscent of some YT videos I've seen of people doing the same on FOBTs whereby they bet in such a way only one number can result in a loss, and it comes in far more than *ahem* could be randomly expected. I've never trusted the algorithm used for online roulette or BJ and never will, it acts as though there is financial compensation and profit-loss balancing going on constantly in the background, relating to totals bet and casino risk. As for 'live' games I cannot comment but it's clear there are strange occurrences happening in them almost daily.

 

[ed skull murphy]

These casinos should have a TV in the background with say BBC news 24 on the screen. Then you can check the events are occurring in real time if you don't believe them. The number 'coincidences' I've read above are reminiscent of some YT videos I've seen of people doing the same on FOBTs whereby they bet in such a way only one number can result in a loss, and it comes in far more than *ahem* could be randomly expected. I've never trusted the algorithm used for online roulette or BJ and never will, it acts as though there is financial compensation and profit-loss balancing going on constantly in the background, relating to totals bet and casino risk. As for 'live' games I cannot comment but it's clear there are strange occurrences happening in them almost daily.

I agree with all of that, but would just like to add that covering such a large portion of the table is doomed to fail wherever you are playing. Apart from the extra pocket, there is no other mathematical explanation for it, it just happens that way.

If you want to try it out, just pull up the live spins from Wiesbaden and do a dry run.

For example, try covering 5 of the 6 line-bets, for a hundred spins, and see where it gets you.

 

[kelapa]

I agree with all of that, but would just like to add that covering such a large portion of the table is doomed to fail wherever you are playing. Apart from the extra pocket, there is no other mathematical explanation for it, it just happens that way.

Oh, it's completely useless as a serious strategy. But it definitely is useful for proving that a game is rigged.

 

[kelapa]

Little update:

They have just installed a new version of the software (new interface and graphics).

Their main winning strategy has also been updated: They're now back to simply rejecting every winning bid. Every bid that does get accepted, you will lose (usually by the narrowest margin).

Evolution don't care how obvious their scam is. They're untouchable. Do yourself a favour (if you haven't already) and blacklist them.

 

[ed skull murphy]

I can't say this with any certainty, but I think your issue lies either with your casino platform (Uni), or with your own mental attitude, or perhaps even your compromised position of living abroad without the necessary documentation to pass kyc and have a choice of where to play.

I dare say this because I have won several hundred this week on the evolution platform, at various casinos, I have had no glitches, no rejected bets and could detect no discernable signs of cheating. Other than that, I am not an apologist for Evolution, I'm just passing along my experiences. The downside is, I'm living in sub-zero England, when I would rather be living in Spain.

But I think it's fair to add, that in my opinion, the bad publicity that has been directed towards Evolution in the last few months, seems to have had an effect in shaking them up a bit, because my experiences on there lately have improved dramatically, and the platform has improved dramatically. So your efforts have not been in vain.

 

[kelapa]

I can't say this with any certainty, but I think your issue lies either with your casino platform (Uni), or with your own mental attitude, or perhaps even your compromised position of living abroad without the necessary documentation to pass kyc and have a choice of where to play.

I dare say this because I have won several hundred this week on the evolution platform, at various casinos, I have had no glitches, no rejected bets and could detect no discernable signs of cheating. Other than that, I am not an apologist for Evolution, I'm just passing along my experiences. The downside is, I'm living in sub-zero England, when I would rather be living in Spain.

But I think it's fair to add, that in my opinion, the bad publicity that has been directed towards Evolution in the last few months, seems to have had an effect in shaking them up a bit, because my experiences on there lately have improved dramatically, and the platform has improved dramatically. So your efforts have not been in vain.

You're welcome.

I don't really play with them anymore (for obvious reasons), but the twelve spins I played resulted in this:

1: BET ACCEPTED: lost
2: BET ACCEPTED: lost
3: BET ACCEPTED: lost (ball got bumped out of the winning number and into the nearest losing spot)
4: BET ACCEPTED: lost
5: BET ACCEPTED: lost (ball got bumped out of the winning number and into the nearest losing spot)
6: BET REJECTED: winning number
7: BET REJECTED: winning number
8: BET ACCEPTED: lost (ball got bumped out of the winning number and into the nearest losing spot)
9: BET REJECTED: winning number
10: BET REJECTED: winning number
11: BET ACCEPTED: lost (ball got bumped out of the winning number and into the nearest losing spot)
12: BET REJECTED: winning number

Those are all the spins I've played this entire month, and I'm pretty sure there won't be any more.

I've already had a go at Evolution's roulette from another (non-Unibet) provider, but the exact same things happened there.
The only thing I can blame Unibet for is being passive about Evolution's dodgy behaviour.

My attitude doesn't make the ball jump out of every winning number either. I genuinely wish I was telekinetic, but no such luck!
And anyway, I've gone in with a blank, optimistic slate with each new attempt. "It's a new day, maybe I've just had 200 days straight of pure bad luck and now this ball stop jumping out of winning numbers." (5 minutes later) "Nope."

 

[ed skull murphy]

I can't direct you to any links, but university studies have been carried out, to test for extra sensory effects where gambling is involved. They are very real.

Could it be that you are expecting to lose, and self-fulfilling that prophecy?

And the bets rejected are most likely down to slow internet connection, or else Unibet are pulling a fast one.

 

[kelapa]

I can't direct you to any links, but university studies have been carried out, to test for extra sensory effects where gambling is involved. They are very real.

Could it be that you are expecting to lose, and self-fulfilling that prophecy?

Not at all. I'm not sabotaging myself or anything. How could I possibly do that anyway?

The ball really, REALLY does jump out of the winning numbers. Nothing I can do about that. :/

 

[ed skull murphy]

"By Players, for players"

Yeah, right!

Psychopaths often trot out BS like that to con their victims.

 

[kelapa]

And the bets rejected are most likely down to slow internet connection, or else Unibet are pulling a fast one.

The connection is fine.
I've seen this done before many times by Evolution.

Some months ago, I was betting on the zero area for an hour and a half straight. Absolutely NOTHING fell there.

Then, finally, the ball falls on the zero area SEVEN TIMES IN A ROW. Each of these bets got REJECTED.

I'm already seething with anger at that point, but I persist and keep betting on zero area.
The next three spins were accepted again. No wins though.

Then, the ball hits the zero area ANOTHER SIX TIMES IN A ROW. Each of these bets - again - got rejected.

Absolutely no other spin got rejected that entire day. Only those thirteen winning spins.

 

[ed skull murphy]

Let's put it another way. I just won £210 at Castlejackpot on Evolution, on Sunday I won £224 at Dragonara on Evolution, and I won £1000 at Mr Smith, some of it on Evolution and some on Extreme. No glitches, no rejected bets, perfect quality HD video. But I expected to win, like you do...

 

[kelapa]

Let's put it another way. I just won £210 at Castlejackpot on Evolution, on Sunday I won £224 at Dragonara on Evolution, and I won £1000 at Mr Smith, some of it on Evolution and some on Extreme. No glitches, no rejected bets, perfect quality HD video. But I expected to win, like you do...

I feel a little better knowing that my money went to you.

 

[bradztheman]

I feel a little better knowing that my money went to you.

I have some very interesting news. I decided to sign up to netbet, as i can deposit using boku, as i was broke i decided to do this and deposited £30 using my mobile phone bill through boku. Upon registering i rejected all bonuses as they have playthrough and wagering requirements.

I went stright to live roulette, before you know it, im up to around £200 in 15 minutes, and after around an hour i managed to get up to £995 before blowing the lot within 15minutes!!

I witnessed something ive never seen before, i was betting on voisins second of the weel (18 numbers around the zero) and also orphalins section (only 8 numbers) and occasionally but not often i would bet on tiers sections.

It was UNREAL, i must have won around the first 27 spins out of 30!! I couldn’t believe my luck, my special numbers were coming in constantly, 0,3,2 (you get more if it lands on those numbers when betting on voisins) and also had a good amount of number 1 and 17’s coming in for the orphalins section.

Like i say, i got upto £995 from £30, what are the odds!?!? I decided to have half an hour break, and try to win more...

I started off with doing the same kind of bets, but things wernt going my way this time, i also started to bet on 2 dozens at a time ie 1st and 2nd or 2nd and 3rd. Lost most of them.

To me, to some it up, it recognised me as a new user, and gave me a winning streak to maybe entice me in?

I definately think its programmed and goes by the amount that people deposit and lose, you could end up winning, and vice versa.

Strange ay?

Anyway i was gutted to say the least. Should have just pulled away.

I was saying to my gf who was say next to me... ‘ this is so unbelievably fixed, not complaining as im winning pretty much every spin, but this has GOT TO BE FIXED!’ Even she couldnt beleive it.

This actually happened while i kept switching tables, going from one to another.

Whats your opinions?

I usually use paddypower, and i never seem to have much luck on their live roulette to be honest, most of the time i’ll lose 5 in a row and win 1 spin, and thats on 50/50 bets. I struggle at paddy power and starting to think that their platform is rigged too. Maybe the longer your a player the more they take advantage, maybe they look at your win to lose ratio and maybe work out your a compulsive gambler, and swindle you out of your money that way, cus in your head you know your gonna lose anyway.. i dunno....

 

[kelapa]

To me, to some it up, it recognised me as a new user, and gave me a winning streak to maybe entice me in?

I definately think its programmed and goes by the amount that people deposit and lose, you could end up winning, and vice versa.

That sounds about right. The system definitely appears to keep tabs on individual players (I guess I'm marked as "never allow a single win ever again").

Notice any weird jumps?

 

[liberec]

today you can try out with 5 free bonus at williamhill. the number 24 came 3 times within 8 rounds. lost my 5 of course. no chance

 

[ed skull murphy]

I went stright to live roulette, before you know it, im up to around £200 in 15 minutes, and after around an hour i managed to get up to £995 before blowing the lot within 15minutes!!

I'm not trying to be controversial here, but given the above information, I'm not surprised that you are broke. Were you trying to get your thirty quid up to a million?

I guess what I'm trying to say is, you have to know when to quit, especially when you are broke. Personally, I would have been happy when I hit a hundred, under those circumstances.

 

[bradztheman]

That sounds about right. The system definitely appears to keep tabs on individual players (I guess I'm marked as "never allow a single win ever again").

Notice any weird jumps?

No, none as insane as yours!! A few strange ones yes but none like yours!!

I think theres a table which even gives you an instant replay showing the ball landing, cant remember what table that is though...

 

[bradztheman]

I'm not trying to be controversial here, but given the above information, I'm not surprised that you are broke. Were you trying to get your thirty quid up to a million?

I guess what I'm trying to say is, you have to know when to quit, especially when you are broke. Personally, I would have been happy when I hit a hundred, under those circumstances.

You know what, i had a few drinks, and i was bored and just wanted to keep playing to be honest, i did stop for a while at £995 but like i say, when i went back to it, i think i had around 15 losses out of 18 spins. Strange.

 

[ed skull murphy]

You know what, i had a few drinks, and i was bored and just wanted to keep playing to be honest, i did stop for a while at £995 but like i say, when i went back to it, i think i had around 15 losses out of 18 spins. Strange.

But that is what happens in roulette. It's a cycle of ups and downs, like a sinewave. For a time you can do no wrong, ten minutes later, you can do no right, which is why you have to learn when to quit. It has nothing to do with bent roulette wheels, it is the same wherever you play... that, my friend is roulette, and gambling in general, actually.

 

[John ioannou]

The connection is fine.
I've seen this done before many times by Evolution.

Some months ago, I was betting on the zero area for an hour and a half straight. Absolutely NOTHING fell there.

Then, finally, the ball falls on the zero area SEVEN TIMES IN A ROW. Each of these bets got REJECTED.

I'm already seething with anger at that point, but I persist and keep betting on zero area.
The next three spins were accepted again. No wins though.

Then, the ball hits the zero area ANOTHER SIX TIMES IN A ROW. Each of these bets - again - got rejected.

Absolutely no other spin got rejected that entire day. Only those thirteen winning spins.

I have had the exact same experiences, I played black after 8 reds I left out 2 4 and 6 and played all other blacks, it landed in 6 then another seven reds then another 6 and 5 more reds all the while I'm losing, then a 2 and more reds, don't play and then blacks start appearing,

These patterns are totally illogical, especially to appear at the exact same time you decide to play, I play pretty heavy and decided to go for it, numbers from the 15 round to 31, apart from zero or 3 and it didn't land there once in over 30 spins,

That's almost impossible or at the very least illogical, Unusal ball spins where you sure the momentum of the ball has died when it just about to land in your section but somehow gathers pace to travel some 20 slots away, change bets change sections and bam it never goes there either, especially not in the patterns your hoping, that's all happening on the uncovered section now,


I think they use artificial intelligent software, it's the only possible explanation, it predicts the balls likely area to land and then determine where the chips are down it will attempt to alter the balls trajectory to land in the most preferred and profitable area for the casino,

It's not rocket science that this technology is possible, there is a video on YouTube I watched today where a device predicts within close prominity of 5 slots maximum where a ball will land, all it takes them is to upset or even guide the ball to land somewhere else, either way, it's a full on scam.

 

[Gaz237]

You know what, i had a few drinks, and i was bored and just wanted to keep playing to be honest, i did stop for a while at £995 but like i say, when i went back to it, i think i had around 15 losses out of 18 spins. Strange.

As Ed said £30 start and you got to £995. With your partner sat beside you the left it for 30 mins. FFS press the collect and enjoy the night. Take her out, treat her, You could of had £995 going into your account the next day. But I'm guessing you had nothing in your account. At what stage would you of collected?

Your partner is either a gambler herself, or scared to voice her opnion to let you destroy that kind of profit, so you can YET AGAIN, Play the blame game. (nothing is your fault) or she's scared to voice her opinion against your addiction.

 

[ed skull murphy]

As Ed said £30 start and you got to £995. With your partner sat beside you the left it for 30 mins. FFS press the collect and enjoy the night. Take her out, treat her, You could of had £995 going into your account the next day. But I'm guessing you had nothing in your account. At what stage would you of collected?

Your partner is either a gambler herself, or scared to voice her opnion to let you destroy that kind of profit, so you can YET AGAIN, Play the blame game. (nothing is your fault) or she's scared to voice her opinion against your addiction.

Well said, Gaz, if I get a bad beat, I take it on the chin and move on, but I won't come on this forum and start whingeing about how bent the wheels are. If I thought the wheels were rigged, I would simply stop playing, end of story.

 

[John ioannou]

Well said, Gaz, if I get a bad beat, I take it on the chin and move on, but I won't come on this forum and start whingeing about how bent the wheels are. If I thought the wheels were rigged, I would simply stop playing, end of story.

No but it seems that you like to come on here in various threads and proclaim that the whelks are not fixed because miraculously you keep winning, which I find odd . It's as what a shill would do, end of story.

 

[ed skull murphy]

No but it seems that you like to come on here in various threads and proclaim that the whelks are not fixed because miraculously you keep winning, which I find odd . It's as what a shill would do, end of story.

If it is so rigged, why do you continue to play? Find a new game, FFS.

I've seen blokes at the b&m casinos who start bitching about how rigged it all is, after they've done their money, and they are usually shown the door. But you can almost guarantee that they will be back as soon as they have got some more scratch together. It's a kind of sickness with them.

And I don't like whelks.

 

[John ioannou]

If it is so rigged, why do you continue to play? Find a new game, FFS.

I've seen blokes at the b&m casinos who start bitching about how rigged it all is, after they've done their money, and they are usually shown the door. But you can almost guarantee that they will be back as soon as they have got some more scratch together. It's a kind of sickness with them.

And I don't like whelks.

I've actually shut down all my accounts just recently and handed over my card to a friend as to avoid being taken in again, I then scoured the intertenet for people who might have the same experiences, and the internet is littered with people, so I've come to share my experience which is pretty much the same, high bets go down, illogical patterns that seem to appear exactly when you decide to play, it really is astonishing, I've persisted with a section for over 30 spins and it went absent but as soon as the chips finished it goes there, that's completely illogical, maybe not once but to happen so often in the favour of the casino is suspicious, also I'm aware that technology exists that can determine where a ball is likely to land and all it then takes is to upset or divert the ball away from the covered areas, strange spins are witnessed, I don't buy the idea that they have no reason to cheat and I don't live in daffodil land, society is full of the cheaters and the cheated, where there is money there is corruption at every level,

I've been burnt to many times to remain optimistic, each time I persist the illogical patterns appear, its not simply whining because of bad luck but a strong feeling that something quite isn't right.

 

[neilw]

The problem with a thread like this is it's mostly populated by players who have played and lost at Roulette.

The thread is going to be negative, not balanced. It's the same in the slot threads where players have lost.

Evolution are an easy target for the nay sayers, they are the biggest and most successful of all the live casino providers. They are not going to come into a forum to defend themselves, they have no reason to, just as I've never seen a Microgaming or Playtech do it for slots.

It's gambling, you win sometimes and you lose sometimes. before even starting you should realise that you'll lose more than you'll win, unless you're really lucky. And even then most people play the wins back and lose. It's no secret, the RTP is written on the side of the box.

I've seen nothing in this thread that has made me sit up and think the game is fixed. When I've studied the data supplied by some of the posters, they are actually getting winning spins, but not winning as much as they would like. It's all BS i'm afraid.

I've been to the studios, seen the setup and wheels and what they do to monitor the games. I didn't see anything fishy or under handed going on. I play roulette and win and lose as I do on all live casino games. It's gambling.

Could someone please tell me what "normal" ball behavior in a wheel looks like? and how that can be guaranteed at all times. Surely that must exist if people are comparing the videos we see of the ball behaving oddly and claiming that as fixed.

 

[ed skull murphy]

It's gambling, you win sometimes and you lose sometimes. before even starting you should realise that you'll lose more than you'll win, unless you're really lucky.

I win more than I lose, and I put that down to a combination of discipline, gut feeling and karma, rather than just blind luck, although, of course, there is always an element of luck involved.

Discipline in not playing for too long, not playing when I am tired, or otherwise out of sorts. Taking long breaks between sessions. Taking power naps at various times of the day and night. Taking walks, or doing some physical work between sessions (nothing too strenuous, though )

Gut feeling in detecting when a downturn is approaching.

Karma from sharing the wealth. Donating to just causes, and helping my fellow man whenever I can.

Hey, but I'm giving away all my secrets, lol.

 

[dicky wink]

Hi Guys ... i have been following this thread and have found it interesting if not sometimes amusing .... i think sometimes players forget that when you are playing these live roulette wheels ... its not just 1 person per wheel ... its 100s if not 1000s of people all playing the same wheel at the same time ... so when i read ... the ball jumped out of my winning number into a losing one ... i find that difficult to understand as many other players have bet totally different numbers to the numbers that you are betting, including the number that the ball finally jumped into ... and they have won when you have not ...
i do like these theory's but im afraid that in reality it very unlikely that they can manipulate the wheel, against 1000 people also playing the same wheel

all the best .... dicky

 

[ed skull murphy]

Hi Guys ... i have been following this thread and have found it interesting if not sometimes amusing .... i think sometimes players forget that when you are playing these live roulette wheels ... its not just 1 person per wheel ... its 100s if not 1000s of people all playing the same wheel at the same time ... so when i read ... the ball jumped out of my winning number into a losing one ... i find that difficult to understand as many other players have bet totally different numbers to the numbers that you are betting, including the number that the ball finally jumped into ... and they have won when you have not ...
i do like these theory's but im afraid that in reality it very unlikely that they can manipulate the wheel, against 1000 people also playing the same wheel

all the best .... dicky

Precisely!

Listen up kids, a man of experience has spoken, and he is spot on!

 

[liberec]

all Live Casino cheat especailly with the card shuffle machines. its not just Evolution. also
Netent , Playtech, Ezugi etc.

the best thing you can do is avoid all this "LIVE" Tables.

start the new year 2018 without them & forever and soon you´ll be a little more happier in your life.

cheers

 

[neilw]

all Live Casino cheat especailly with the card shuffle machines. its not just Evolution. also
Netent , Playtech, Ezugi etc.

Prove it.

Don't just chuck out acquisitions, any one can do that. If you have something meaningful to add to the thread then I'm sure we'd be happy to hear it.

I for one would love to see your evidence.

 

[ed skull murphy]

Only made one deposit yesterday, £500 at Betat. In the evening I commenced playing NetEnt live roulette and withdrew £860 in the early hours of this morning. You won't hear any complaints from me.

 

[ed skull murphy]

So I was at a bit of loss with how to occupy my busy mind, what with having to wait for a pile of pending withdrawals, and it being the weekend, and a bank holiday weekend at that, and having nothing in the bank, and then I think of Mr Smith, where I had made a request for a £815 withdrawal on a £500 deposit, two and a half days ago, with only a 24 hour lockdown.

In the meantime, to boost the old karma, and to help keep these warriors of freedom in internet bandwidth, I had sent paypal donations, to John O’Sullivan from

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So I log in to Mr Smith, and under normal circumstances, I would have been a tiny bit pissed off to see my withdrawal still pending, but now I am overjoyed, so I promptly reverse, and I am on my way.

Mr Smith casino is a dream for fans of live roulette, I’ve never seen such a choice. Evolution, Extreme, NetEnt and Portomaso, and no less than four live streams from actual casino tables, with punters, and noise and so forth.

Now, for most of the evening, I was navigating choppy seas on the oceans of live roulette, the trends were not sitting kindly for me, but somehow I managed to scrape through, and when I hit £1200, around 1 a.m., I considered that I had been rather fortunate to get this far, and had better give it a rest.

I decided to take a shower, put on the glad rags, and walk into town; if there was nothing open, I could always just take a stroll along the beach, it would be better than blowing the lot in a degenerate spree of craziness.

Imagine my delight then, when I discovered a night club open at 1:30 on a Sunday morning that was still admitting punters. So in I go, thoroughly enjoying watching the carefree youngsters having a good time, whilst quietly supping my ale in the corner.

After they kicked us out at 3 a.m, I’m walking home through the old High St., and some poor homeless guy, who is living in a shop doorway with his compadre, (who is asleep in his sleeping bag) asks if I’ve got any change, I check my pockets and realise that I have given my change away in tips at the night club, so he asks, “have you got any notes then?” But then adds “only kidding’”

That gets my attention, and I walk over to him and peel off a tenner, he shakes my hand warmly, and introduces himself to me as Sean. I ask him to share it with his mate, and he tries to wake his mate up. I say no, let him be, he’s trying to sleep. So then I peel off another tenner and ask if he will give one to his mate. He says he will, and I believe him. We then shake hands again and I express my wish that his situation improves, I really do.

There but for the grace of God, go I.

So I get home, log in to Mr Smith, and I’ve won my twenty quid back in two spins of the roulette wheel.

Now, that wasn’t so hard, was it?

Got my balance up to £1500, got greedy, and blew the lot. Took a stroll down to the One Stop Shop and made a cash deposit of £500, played like a demon possessed, and recouped the lot, well, almost.

Requested a withdrawal of £1636, and then locked it down for a week. Quite a night.