Evolution Live Roulette - the most awesome thread of conspiracy theorists

[alexking12k]

Hang on.... you're saying that you have the camera on that you keep winning? Why not have it on permanently - you be super rich in no time!

My thoughts exactly!

 

[kelapa]

I must say, I think I understand why you keep playing there. That girl looks mighty fine!

Ick, she's actually the one girl there I find particularly unattractive. But whatever floats your boat.

Anyway, I won't bother with the videos anymore until someone has a serious peek at the ones I've posted. You've asked for evidence. There it is.

I did have another nine spins today. Exact same stuff. Each spin had a 64% - 82% chance to win. Nothing.
Don't just blah it away. I'm an experienced programmer, I know my numbers. Please do me and yourself a favour: do the math.

 

[kelapa]

Oh, man!! Why didn't you cash out at some point before hitting the 5,000 in winnings?

In his case, I too would definitely have cashed out at least 4500 and used the remaining 500 for roulette.
But on the other hand, who expects to be cheated?

 

[alexking12k]

Ick, she's actually the one girl there I find particularly unattractive. But whatever floats your boat.

Anyway, I won't bother with the videos anymore until someone has a serious peek at the ones I've posted. You've asked for evidence. There it is.

I did have another nine spins today. Exact same stuff. Each spin had a 64% - 82% chance to win. Nothing.
Don't just blah it away. I'm an experienced programmer, I know my numbers. Please do me and yourself a favour: do the math.[/QUOTE

I hear you, man! And I'm not disputing your claims. If they are able to hook a roulette table to a computer, like they do at a land based casino, I can only imagine what kind of stuff they can pull when everything is done online and in a virtual room. Heck, who's to say that the whole thing is not just computer generated images? I've seen weirder things!

 

[alexking12k]

Ick, she's actually the one girl there I find particularly unattractive. But whatever floats your boat.

Anyway, I won't bother with the videos anymore until someone has a serious peek at the ones I've posted. You've asked for evidence. There it is.

I did have another nine spins today. Exact same stuff. Each spin had a 64% - 82% chance to win. Nothing.
Don't just blah it away. I'm an experienced programmer, I know my numbers. Please do me and yourself a favour: do the math.

I hear you, man! And I'm not disputing your claims. If they are able to hook a roulette table to a computer, like they do at a land based casino, I can only imagine what kind of stuff they can pull when everything is done online and in a virtual room. Heck, who's to say that the whole thing is not just computer generated images? I've seen weirder things!

 

[alexking12k]

In his case, I too would definitely have cashed out at least 4500 and used the remaining 500 for roulette.
But on the other hand, who expects to be cheated?

I've been through similar situations myself and it's probably the worst feeling in the world! The worst thing that's happened to me was, I deposited about $300, worked it up to about $50,000 in abt. 10 days, cashed out $7,500 and lost the rest in 2 sessions over less than 24 hours. The good thing is, this experience effectively killed my addiction and I've been gambling free for over 1.5 years now. As much as it sucked losing all that money, I think I'm kinda happy that I did because it seems to have flipped some switch in my brain and set me straight. I've never gone on for so long without gambling. My previous record was 5 months once and about 5 weeks on a few occasions.

 

[kelapa]

Ick, she's actually the one girl there I find particularly unattractive. But whatever floats your boat.

Anyway, I won't bother with the videos anymore until someone has a serious peek at the ones I've posted. You've asked for evidence. There it is.

I did have another nine spins today. Exact same stuff. Each spin had a 64% - 82% chance to win. Nothing.
Don't just blah it away. I'm an experienced programmer, I know my numbers. Please do me and yourself a favour: do the math.

I hear you, man! And I'm not disputing your claims. If they are able to hook a roulette table to a computer, like they do at a land based casino, I can only imagine what kind of stuff they can pull when everything is done online and in a virtual room. Heck, who's to say that the whole thing is not just computer generated images? I've seen weirder things!

Part of the images are computer generated. Probably not the wheel though.
And who knows what goes on underneath the wheel? You can speculate about the specific ways to jerk the ball around, but fact is that there are ways.

Evolution would probably still make profit without it. But why not do it? They can always shrug and hide behind the fact that even the most ridiculously rigged-looking outcome could theoretically still happen. Ten 5's in a row? "Sure." Twenty reds? "Why not." Twenty reds EXACTLY at the only ever time I place twenty bets on black? "Gosh, how unlucky, but hey the 0.000000000000000002% odds of that happening are still odds."

Their only defence is the licenses that they keep waving in your face.
So I'm busy contacting eCOGRA right now. I'd like to know what they actually inspect.

 

[kelapa]

I've been through similar situations myself and it's probably the worst feeling in the world! The worst thing that's happened to me was, I deposited about $300, worked it up to about $50,000 in abt. 10 days, cashed out $7,500 and lost the rest in 2 sessions over less than 24 hours. The good thing is, this experience effectively killed my addiction and I've been gambling free for over 1.5 years now. As much as it sucked losing all that money, I think I'm kinda happy that I did because it seems to have flipped some switch in my brain and set me straight. I've never gone on for so long without gambling. My previous record was 5 months once and about 5 weeks on a few occasions.

Oh my god. That is a horror story.

Do you remember at what table you lost that money?
Or what company it was?

 

[alexking12k]

Oh my god. That is a horror story.

Do you remember at what table you lost that money?
Or what company it was?

Sure, I played at 5dimes at their Grand casino (not the live dealer one). I remember, I put about $935 on 19 and hit it and I nearly jumped through the ceiling! At that time my balance was about $32,000+. Over next 10 days or so I was at $42,500+ with a $7,500 payout in the mail and then it all went to hell! LOL!

 

[kelapa]

Sure, I played at 5dimes at their Grand casino (not the live dealer one). I remember, I put about $935 on 19 and hit it and I nearly jumped through the ceiling! At that time my balance was about $32,000+. Over next 10 days or so I was at $42,500+ with a $7,500 payout in the mail and then it all went to hell! LOL!

Holy crap. Did you put your full bet on 19 that round? Or did you have a few other areas covered too?

I hate gambling. I don't play if the odds are less than 50/50. I have never in my life bet on a single number. In fact, I've never ever placed more than € 50 on the table in one round, and even that amount I have only placed one time (lost at Evolution, of course).

But yeah, I might as well have been betting on one number only this whole time. Chances to win a round are nihil anyway!

And btw, I hope you kept the 7500 at least...

 

[alexking12k]

Holy crap. Did you put your full bet on 19 that round? Or did you have a few other areas covered too?

I hate gambling. I don't play if the odds are less than 50/50. I have never in my life bet on a single number. In fact, I've never ever placed more than € 50 on the table in one round, and even that amount I have only placed one time (lost at Evolution, of course).

But yeah, I might as well have been betting on one number only this whole time. Chances to win a round are nihil anyway!

And btw, I hope you kept the 7500 at least...

I had been playing all day, on and off, by that point. I was in a state of trance and I bet the $935 on one number (19) only. I know, the odds were as low as it could get but I guess that the stars aligned just right at that moment. During my gambling "career" I knew that I was sick and addicted but, fortunately, I was able to control myself just enough to avoid losing to the point that I got into debt. This is not to say that I didn't lose some serious money (abt. $75,000 over about 6 years). When I became seriously addicted, I lost about $30,000 in two weeks. Fortunately for me, the online casinos started having serious problems with Credit Card deposits at that time and I wasn't able to deposit so much and over time I was able to slow down and lose about $1,000 per month, on average.
Of the $7,500, I lost about $1,000 over the next 1.5 years and most of that was on sports. Roulette was about $300-400 of that. To be honest, I'm not even mad at myself for losing all that money. I understand that gambling is a serious sickness and we don't really have 100% control of our minds when we are addicted to it. I'm just glad that I was able to kick the darn habit, lol!

 

[kelapa]

I had been playing all day, on and off, by that point. I was in a state of trance and I bet the $935 on one number (19) only. I know, the odds were as low as it could get but I guess that the stars aligned just right at that moment. During my gambling "career" I knew that I was sick and addicted but, fortunately, I was able to control myself just enough to avoid losing to the point that I got into debt. This is not to say that I didn't lose some serious money (abt. $75,000 over about 6 years). When I became seriously addicted, I lost about $30,000 in two weeks. Fortunately for me, the online casinos started having serious problems with Credit Card deposits at that time and I wasn't able to deposit so much and over time I was able to slow down and lose about $1,000 per month, on average.
Of the $7,500, I lost about $1,000 over the next 1.5 years and most of that was on sports. Roulette was about $300-400 of that. To be honest, I'm not even mad at myself for losing all that money. I understand that gambling is a serious sickness and we don't really have 100% control of our minds when we are addicted to it. I'm just glad that I was able to kick the darn habit, lol!

That's some scary stuff. I do understand the addiction thing.

Myself, I just kept on trying way too long, because I refused to believe it was rigged. I've lost a few thousands in total because of it. Could've been worse still, but I feel pretty awful.

All I want now is to see this thing seriously investigated. And my money back, haha. But I'm not optimistic about either.

 

[interlog]

I don't understand the maths of roulette properly to make an informed decision on the odds of what keeps happening.

But, and that is what I don't understand, if the OP has found a sure way of winning (with the camera on) then why shout it out and not take advantage of it. Keep that wheel spinning and get the riches.

 

[neilw]

So I'm busy contacting eCOGRA right now. I'd like to know what they actually inspect.

I'm not sure Evolution Gaming use eCOGRA, they don't list them on their website and eCOGRA don't have them listed as a supplier.

If they did, then Evolution would need to adhere to section 10 of

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According to eCOGRA, they would audit against the standard once a year.

Each of the licensing jurisdictions Evolution is registered with will have something similar and will also perform Audits on regular basis.

I don't know whether eCOGRA will help you if Evolution are not one of their customers, but I guess it's worth trying.

I visited two of Evolution's largest studios, Riga and Malta and I've also spoken with their Head of Game Risk and Integrity about the controls they have in place for monitoring the games. I've been impressed with what I've seen and would find it difficult to believe that there was systematic cheating going on right across the organisation.

I can't dispute the results you've had, but that's not enough to call out a cheat, you'll need to provide firm physical evidence if you hope to get any where.

My advice, leave Evo Roulette and probably all gambling alone, at least for a while.

The RTP for roulette is 97.3%, so it's already written in the stars you will lose over the long term.

 

[kelapa]

I don't understand the maths of roulette properly to make an informed decision on the odds of what keeps happening.

But, and that is what I don't understand, if the OP has found a sure way of winning (with the camera on) then why shout it out and not take advantage of it. Keep that wheel spinning and get the riches.

Heh, if only. With the camera on, I got normal results: a bunch of wins, a few losses.
The second I switched it off, there were only losses, no matter how many rounds I persisted.
I'm still weirded out by it.

 

[kelapa]

I'm not sure Evolution Gaming use eCOGRA, they don't list them on their website and eCOGRA don't have them listed as a supplier.

If they did, then Evolution would need to adhere to section 10 of

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According to eCOGRA, they would audit against the standard once a year.

Each of the licensing jurisdictions Evolution is registered with will have something similar and will also perform Audits on regular basis.

I don't know whether eCOGRA will help you if Evolution are not one of their customers, but I guess it's worth trying.

You're right: Evolution aren't licensed by eCOGRA. Looks like the Unibet representative misinformed me.

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I have to harass Alderney or MGA about it instead.

I visited two of Evolution's largest studios, Riga and Malta and I've also spoken with their Head of Game Risk and Integrity about the controls they have in place for monitoring the games. I've been impressed with what I've seen and would find it difficult to believe that there was systematic cheating going on right across the organisation.

I can't dispute the results you've had, but that's not enough to call out a cheat, you'll need to provide firm physical evidence if you hope to get any where.

My advice, leave Evo Roulette and probably all gambling alone, at least for a while.

The RTP for roulette is 97.3%, so it's already written in the stars you will lose over the long term.

I know about the RTP, but that doesn't really explain this. The RTP, if I recall correctly, is an average based on a longer period of time, with wins and losses, ups and downs.
I only get downs. Even if I bombard the table with chips and cover 30 of the 37 numbers, I can never win. That is a fact. I can 100% guarantee you that if I go to their table right now and place a bet with 90% win chance, I will absolutely lose.

Physical evidence...
Of course Evolution are aware that I am over here and they are at a safe distance in Malta/Latvia/wherever, so they know I can never get my hands on any physical evidence. Short of taking a plane and breaking into their studio, I don't see anything I can do about that.

So what to do?

 

[alexking12k]

You're right: Evolution aren't licensed by eCOGRA. Looks like the Unibet representative misinformed me.

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I have to harass Alderney or MGA about it instead.



I know about the RTP, but that doesn't really explain this. The RTP, if I recall correctly, is an average based on a longer period of time, with wins and losses, ups and downs.
I only get downs. Even if I bombard the table with chips and cover 30 of the 37 numbers, I can never win. That is a fact. I can 100% guarantee you that if I go to their table right now and place a bet with 90% win chance, I will absolutely lose.

Physical evidence...
Of course Evolution are aware that I am over here and they are at a safe distance in Malta/Latvia/wherever, so they know I can never get my hands on any physical evidence. Short of taking a plane and breaking into their studio, I don't see anything I can do about that.

So what to do?

My advice would be to try a different casino. 5dimes has the Live Casino option too. A couple of years ago, I played there periodically and would cover 34 out of the 37 numbers ($10 on each number). I played this way a bunch of times and the ball landed on the uncovered numbers only twice out of about 30-40 spins. The shitty thing is when it does land on one of those because you lose everything that you put on the table in that one round.

 

[kelapa]

My advice would be to try a different casino. 5dimes has the Live Casino option too. A couple of years ago, I played there periodically and would cover 34 out of the 37 numbers ($10 on each number). I played this way a bunch of times and the ball landed on the uncovered numbers only twice out of about 30-40 spins. The shitty thing is when it does land on one of those because you lose everything that you put on the table in that one round.

Yeah, I know. I mostly used that "strategy" to prove that the Evolution table is a scam.

What I normally do is put €0.5 on about 18 numbers and €1 on 6 other numbers. That usually works fine.
Chance to win: 65%.
If I win, I win either €3 or €21.
If I lose, I lose €15.

Add to that the fact that I keep an eye on patterns. Some dealers throw with a very steady hand (I guess they're bored and going through the job mechanically) and the ball then often ends up in somewhat predictable places (for example: fourteen spots further up the wheel with every spin).
That's why, with the right dealer, I often put a few extra chips around 20 after they just spun a number around the 0. Works.

But now it really feels as if Evolution have built in a safeguard on their end, to sabotage this type of "safe" bet.
I really noticed a radical change in results around April of this year. As if they had updated the firmware of the wheel.

Anyway, I'd be happy to try a different casino (maybe later, when I don't feel as creeped out). But I'm not so much interested in gambling right now as I am in getting answers from Evolution. I really do want justice of some kind.

 

[kelapa]

Go on, have a look:

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Absolutely everyone in the chat is complaining. Nobody is winning. Everyone is calling it a scam. The ball just endlessly hits whatever areas are not being chipped... until people get sick of it and move their chips, which is of course when the ball starts avoiding that area instead.

The only big winners are a bunch of users who never say a single word. They don't respond to questions either. It's often speculated that these are bot accounts, to make it look as if people are earning thousands every spin.

Fun times.

 

[kelapa]

I just tried out two of the other Evolution roulette tables (the "Unibet" table and the "Immersive" table).
These two also are exactly the same.

The Immersive is especially evil.
I had five spins there, chipping absolutely EVERY NUMBER except 23 17 34 35 and 0.
Each spin landed on one of those five numbers.

 

[ed skull murphy]

I just tried out two of the other Evolution roulette tables (the "Unibet" table and the "Immersive" table).
These two also are exactly the same.

The Immersive is especially evil.
I had five spins there, chipping absolutely EVERY NUMBER except 23 17 34 35 and 0.
Each spin landed on one of those five numbers.

I know that technology exists and is available to on-line casino operators to control the wheel and get the ball to land on a sector which has the least money on it. I suspect that the auto-wheels from Evolution could be something like that.

I don't have a lot of luck on Evolution, and the software can be glitchy too, which throws you off you concentration.

I much prefer Netent and Playtech Live Casinos, they have a much better feel.

 

[alexking12k]

I just tried out two of the other Evolution roulette tables (the "Unibet" table and the "Immersive" table).
These two also are exactly the same.

The Immersive is especially evil.
I had five spins there, chipping absolutely EVERY NUMBER except 23 17 34 35 and 0.
Each spin landed on one of those five numbers.

Ugh! I would've probably thrown my computer out the window right there and then!

 

[kelapa]

I know that technology exists and is available to on-line casino operators to control the wheel and get the ball to land on a sector which has the least money on it. I suspect that the auto-wheels from Evolution could be something like that.

Yeah, but these tables are all live. That clearly doesn't stop them from pulling this shit though..

 

[kelapa]

Ugh! I would've probably thrown my computer out the window right there and then!

There have been so many times...

I'm very familiar by now with that creepy, numb feeling when you see the ball tip-toeing towards that one losing number. Now that it's certain that it's been rigged all along, I at least don't feel like I'm cursed or something.

 

[kelapa]

STILL exactly the same shit.

The ball makes the most insane leaps to avoid massive amounts of winning numbers, just to find ONE lone losing number. Easily ten rounds in a row. Often more, when I don't give up immediately.
It literally speeds up entirely by itself. Or stops dead in its tracks. It will make absolutely any bizarre, unnatural movement required to land where Evolution wants it to land, for maximum player loss.

Imagine flipping a coin twenty times and it landing on its side each time. That is exactly what this is.

Evolution are absolutely without shame. Don't bet with them, unless you're curious what a scam looks like.