Live Roulette rigged at high stakes?

bradztheman

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I know there have been many many threads on live roulette and how many of us think it is rigged, or is rigged at times to make you win, and lose. I am still very skeptical about it and i have to say, in my opinion i think its genuine, but at certain times they rig the wheel.

I usually bet big and small, i like to put big amounts on like £100 or £200 or £250 on a colour, particularly if i have the money there, strangely most of the time i dont win on big bets :(

Im a member of paddypower, where i own a ppcashcardplus. It's a mastercard and i can make purchases in shops and also buy things online with it.

On the PP main website theres a link where it shows all your gaming transactions, like most sites.

A friend of mine remembered a time last year when i was at his house and i won a couple grand, we were trying to figure out the date to see how long it had been since i last saw him and when it was and i couldn't remember the exact amount but i said 'i'll just log into my account and have a look.' (Knowing it was around OCT/NOV time.)

After logging in and looking at the statements of playing live roulette, i see where ive won a few bets, and got upto a nice amount, then ive done a £250 bet and a £150, and 2 seperate occasions and it's automatically made me lose! I'm not sure if paddypower are aware if this but this has shown up on my statement as 'CARD BLOCK UPDATE' and the amount and transaction next to it! And its taken it from my balance! This is all while playing live roulette!!

We are getting closer and closer to seeing that live roulette really is rigged and you should stay away!! Ive seen hundreds of live spins on youtube where it just doesn't look right, i know the ball is capable of all kinds of acrobatics, but ive seen some really really strange ball moves and landings.

Anyway ive uploaded 2 different statements for you to see...
 

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What does "Card Block Update" mean? I assume you raised this with PP - what was their explanation?
 

bradztheman

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What does "Card Block Update" mean? I assume you raised this with PP - what was their explanation?

They couldn't explain it. The live char rep basically said it was because large stakes were placed, but this hasn't happened in the past when large stakes have been placed as you can see in the attachment of another statement. I have uploaded a screen of the live chat convo too.
 

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trancemonkey

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What does "Card Block Update" mean? I assume you raised this with PP - what was their explanation?

Paddy power don't run their live roulette... it's a 3rd party company. Someone like Evolution I imagine. They would have, and can not legally, have access to you wallet on paddypower. Let alone your card.

Even if it were rigged, which I very much doubt, they wouldn't leave a trail of evidence like this would they.

And also, as per all the other threads... if they rig AGAINST you, then they are of course rigging FOR other players if you are not the only one playing.
 

bradztheman

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Like i say, I believe that at times its rigged to make you win and also lose at times. Can i take this further? They have no explanation!
 

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That doesnt sound to dissimilar to a theif robbing peoples hand bags and leaving an invoice in behind
 

trancemonkey

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Like i say, I believe that at times its rigged to make you win and also lose at times. Can i take this further? They have no explanation!

In terms of taking it further... you would need evidence of wrong doing. "I lose sometimes and win other times" is the exact outcome of gambling. Almost like it's random?
 

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Btw.. as for your original post. My guess is that for large bets Paddypower may block your card automatically and then unblock it automatically if the bets are within tolerance. It's just a guess.

All your other bets are coming straight off your card right? So it stands to reason that for the bigger bets they have some extra security.

Also you say they "automatically made you lose"... where is the proof other than a feeling? How many numbers did you cover on both bets? One? Twenty? Makes a big difference to the odds. But even if it's 24, you would still have a 1 in 3 chance of losing.
 

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Paddy power don't run their live roulette... it's a 3rd party company. Someone like Evolution I imagine. They would have, and can not legally, have access to you wallet on paddypower. Let alone your card.

Paddy Power use a Playtech Live Casino, the studio is in Riga, Latvia.
 

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That said, I'm not sure I understand what's going on here.
Have PP blocked certain bets that would've gone on to be winners?
 

Jonny j

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I 100% guaranteed these wheels are rigged to a degree that means if you're placing large bets It always falls some where other than your area of cover...I also find that sometimes these so-called live feeds can be manipulated even having pre-recorded spins put in theIr place...I've repeatedly asked the person spinning to wave their hands above the wheel when it pans to an areal view of the spin in progress and they will never ever do this...the conclusion of all this is these guys are nothing more than fraudulent criminals that get away with it because they simply pay these so called governing bodies off with back handers and it's the most fraudulent industry in the world and it needs to be stopped FAST!!!!
 

Jhonson90

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Let's stay on what really happens.
All providers (Evolution, Playtech, Netent) use the following roulette model with different layouts of course:

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pity that on the official website of the cammegh they have removed a sentence stating that thanks to the RRS
the casino earned up to 15% compared to the standard 2.7%.
They justify that the use of RRS protects the casino in cases where some players use post-launch tracking systems
and in any case the RRS works randomly, the latter statement
it is quite funny as then it is not clear how they can guarantee the percentage of return mentioned above.
This excuse could be good for land based casinos, all online providers close their bets shortly after launch,
I honestly don't see how spins can be tracked.
Clearly the croupier matters little or nothing and however much the RRS may be for or against the player
in any case it is not a roulette comparable to that of a real casino,
as long as they do not use the same model of course in real casinos.
If you want to play roulette where the dealer's throw has its importance,
I mean players who are passionate about ballistics, look elsewhere.
In my opinion it was a mistake to use such technology since standard roulette, like all other games,
guarantees a constant profit to the casino.
 
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