Evolution Live Roulette - the most awesome thread of conspiracy theorists

[interlog]

Why continue playing there?

 

[kelapa]

Why continue playing there?

Unfortunately, there's not many other ways of gathering evidence, is there?

Ready for a few more rounds of magnet-ball?

Note how the ball always lands right next to the winning areas, usually just one spot off. Watch in slow-motion if you must.

Spin 1: The ball lands around the 0. "Can't have that", says Evolution. So the ball suddenly starts moving again, accelerates and doesn't stop until it reaches 23, on the opposite end of the wheel. If it had stopped one spot earlier (on the 10), I would've won. Four spots further (on the 36) would've been fine too, for that matter.

Spin 2: Ball is about to land on 16... then swings back in the opposite direction before magically slotting into one of only TWO losing numbers on that entire side of the wheel (31 and 9).

Spin 3: Ball lands on 26. "No way", says Evolution and executes a perfect backflip away from all the winning numbers. I was lucky to have at least half-chipped 2.

Spin 4: Ball touches down around 9, but it has too much momentum to stop dead this time. So it rolls and rolls until the nearest loser is found, exactly where the chipped area ends, as usual.

 

[goatwack]

This doesn't instil my faith in live games

Here's me thinking they were as fair as you can get, but of course there's always room to scam players in this industry.

Who'd have thought they'd be so blatant about it though

 

[TheAddict]

The "perfect backflip" ceartinly raised a brow when witnessed from over here

 

[neilw]

There is nothing predictable about roulette or the way a ball should behave in a spinning wheel when it's running in the opposite direction of the wheel.

If you've played any ball sport you'll understand the effect that spin can have on the behavior on a ball and how that spin is generated, i.e being hit by something, like a golf club, bat, racket or in the case of roulette the diamonds and pocket sides and ridges.

I can come up with as many arguments to explain away what you're seeing, which I happen to think is normal, as others can say that it's cheating.

I've seen nothing in the videos that give certain proof that Evolution is cheating. I would wager that if you recorded 10 spins from each of the live casino providers you'd see exactly the same sort of ball behaviors across them all.

As for the losing spins, it's the same with most gambling games, be it slots or Blackjack or Baccarat, you go through periods when when have loosing streaks and then you get winning streaks. You just need to ensure that your bankroll will last with the bet values you're staking.

If you truly believe they are cheating, stop playing. Just showing videos of losing spins isn't evidence. How about you record 1000 spins, keep the numbers you bet on the same and see what the outcome is.

The roulette from Evolution shows you the stats for up to the last 500 spins, anyone can look. Pick any table and you'll see fairly normal looking dispersion of results across all numbers and sectors. Now do the same for 50 spins and notice the difference. It's much more volatile.

Now go to another provider and do the same, you'll see something similar.

I am truly interested in this subject and have visited the studios and spoken with the compliance people to see for myself. I've seen no evidence to suggest anything dodgy going on.

If someone can produce real evidence then I'm happy to help move things forward.

 

[aceking123]

There is nothing predictable about roulette or the way a ball should behave in a spinning wheel when it's running in the opposite direction of the wheel.

If you've played any ball sport you'll understand the effect that spin can have on the behavior on a ball and how that spin is generated, i.e being hit by something, like a golf club, bat, racket or in the case of roulette the diamonds and pocket sides and ridges.

I can come up with as many arguments to explain away what you're seeing, which I happen to think is normal, as others can say that it's cheating.

I've seen nothing in the videos that give certain proof that Evolution is cheating. I would wager that if you recorded 10 spins from each of the live casino providers you'd see exactly the same sort of ball behaviors across them all.

As for the losing spins, it's the same with most gambling games, be it slots or Blackjack or Baccarat, you go through periods when when have loosing streaks and then you get winning streaks. You just need to ensure that your bankroll will last with the bet values you're staking.

If you truly believe they are cheating, stop playing. Just showing videos of losing spins isn't evidence. How about you record 1000 spins, keep the numbers you bet on the same and see what the outcome is.

The roulette from Evolution shows you the stats for up to the last 500 spins, anyone can look. Pick any table and you'll see fairly normal looking dispersion of results across all numbers and sectors. Now do the same for 50 spins and notice the difference. It's much more volatile.

Now go to another provider and do the same, you'll see something similar.

I am truly interested in this subject and have visited the studios and spoken with the compliance people to see for myself. I've seen no evidence to suggest anything dodgy going on.

If someone can produce real evidence then I'm happy to help move things forward.

No reason for tin foil hat or proof as such , this happens far too often & have been saying it for years , the other thing which is not displaying here via these videos is connection error & bets not being taken at higher stakes & yes you've guessed it you hit a good number, the obvious one is when the screen goes black i've seen this countless times & everytime i never hit a number , optimising a screen or whatever it says & the worst live game for doing this & where all the heavy losses have been are indeed run via netent immersive roulette has a very very good knack of producing these results time after time even with 20+ numbers covered , it is not my connection there is something going on. ive tested this out at a live casino bricks & mortar & never seen such results in fact ive now played the same numbers & have 9 out of 11 sessions to where i've won , not hundreds but clearly still not the point you dont get this with online it's almost like its a video being played out & not live at all.


i shall be getting some recording software to show this & record 3 months of live games , it isnt the first time as you know Neil i have said about these common things showing up far too often , ive stated the same thing on your live games thread , if anyone can point me to some great recording software i would be greatful )

 

[interlog]

No reason for tin foil hat or proof as such , this happens far too often & have been saying it for years , the other thing which is not displaying here via these videos is connection error & bets not being taken at higher stakes & yes you've guessed it you hit a good number, the obvious one is when the screen goes black i've seen this countless times & everytime i never hit a number , optimising a screen or whatever it says & the worst live game for doing this & where all the heavy losses have been are indeed run via netent immersive roulette has a very very good knack of producing these results time after time even with 20+ numbers covered , it is not my connection there is something going on. ive tested this out at a live casino bricks & mortar & never seen such results in fact ive now played the same numbers & have 9 out of 11 sessions to where i've won , not hundreds but clearly still not the point you dont get this with online it's almost like its a video being played out & not live at all.


i shall be getting some recording software to show this & record 3 months of live games , it isnt the first time as you know Neil i have said about these common things showing up far too often , ive stated the same thing on your live games thread , if anyone can point me to some great recording software i would be greatful )

Bandicam is great but the free version only records 10 minutes at a time.

An another alternative is OBS - totally free and unlimited recording time.

 

[aceking123]

Bandicam is great but the free version only records 10 minutes at a time.

An another alternative is OBS - totally free and unlimited recording time.

Hi inter is this good recording app via pc ?? im wet behind the ears in tech department to be honest .

 

[interlog]

Hi inter is this good recording app via pc ?? im wet behind the ears in tech department to be honest .

I use both on my Windows 8 PC and they do the job adequately. Pretty easy to use, even for an old fart like me.

 

[kelapa]

There is nothing predictable about roulette or the way a ball should behave in a spinning wheel when it's running in the opposite direction of the wheel.

If you've played any ball sport you'll understand the effect that spin can have on the behavior on a ball and how that spin is generated, i.e being hit by something, like a golf club, bat, racket or in the case of roulette the diamonds and pocket sides and ridges.\

It actually seems awfully predictable..

If you place a bet like this*, making sure that there's one lone losing number among masses of winning ones (the 10, in this case)... then the ball will automatically fall on that one losing number.

* side note: that bet in the picture is obviously a stupid one, I just played it in order to provoke the triple bizarro..

That's the golden rule: leave one number unchipped, but surrounded on all sides by chips... it will fall on that one again and again. Three times in a row. Maybe more, but I always give up after the third try. This has happened four times this week.

I'm not sure if this is really getting through: I can easily place 100 bets in a row with that amount of numbers covered, and the ball will fall on the unchipped ones every time, very occasionally on a half-chipped one.

The ball will do absolutely anything to land on the wrong number, no matter how physically impossible.
I've played ball sports, now that you mention it. I was pretty much king of the curve. Could curl a ball around a corner if I wanted to. One thing I never managed was to make a ball accelerate up to twice its starting speed when it was halfway. How does Evolution pull that one off exactly?

Not to mention: when a ball has settled on a number (and I mean sitting perfectly still for a solid second), how does it jump out of that slot and then RACE all the way to the other end of the wheel, not stopping until it conveniently finds exactly the closest losing number? Twenty times in a row?

Winning is impossible. Go try for yourself if you think otherwise.

 

[kelapa]

Right now, I have played this bet 10 times in a row:

I lost every single spin.

The second I took my chips off, the ball landed on one of the countless winning numbers every single time.

The moment I tried three more times: again, three times nothing.

 

[kelapa]

One more thing I've noticed: a few specific dealers are literally impossible to beat.
The one in the picture above is Elizabete Kudina. She's one of the absolute mainstays of Evolution. Been around forever.

Whenever she sits down, every player can forget about winning anything for the next half hour or hour (however long her shift is).
It's like a switch gets pulled. You can go ahead and bombard the whole board with chips for fifty rounds; you won't win a single cent.

The second she leaves and another dealer sits down, everything turns back to normal immediately.

I already noticed this long before all the other weird stuff started happening.
So I started wondering how this could possibly be, what made her throws so different from the other dealers'?

Did a bit of detectiving on Facebook and LinkedIn, and turns out her boyfriend is a programmer at a company called Dyninno.
And there seems to be an awful lot of to-ing and fro-ing between Evolution Gaming and Dyninno.

I'll leave my tinfoil hat here.

 

[ed skull murphy]

Immersive is from Evolution, not Netent

No reason for tin foil hat or proof as such , this happens far too often & have been saying it for years , the other thing which is not displaying here via these videos is connection error & bets not being taken at higher stakes & yes you've guessed it you hit a good number, the obvious one is when the screen goes black i've seen this countless times & everytime i never hit a number , optimising a screen or whatever it says & the worst live game for doing this & where all the heavy losses have been are indeed run via netent immersive roulette has a very very good knack of producing these results time after time even with 20+ numbers covered , it is not my connection there is something going on. ive tested this out at a live casino bricks & mortar & never seen such results in fact ive now played the same numbers & have 9 out of 11 sessions to where i've won , not hundreds but clearly still not the point you dont get this with online it's almost like its a video being played out & not live at all.


i shall be getting some recording software to show this & record 3 months of live games , it isnt the first time as you know Neil i have said about these common things showing up far too often , ive stated the same thing on your live games thread , if anyone can point me to some great recording software i would be greatful )

 

[ed skull murphy]

The only table I enjoy playing from Evolution is the live stream from Dragonara Casino on Malta.

 

[kelapa]

The only table I enjoy playing from Evolution is the live stream from Dragonara Casino on Malta.

So that's the one that's not set in some studio, but actually in a real casino?

 

[ed skull murphy]

So that's the one that's not set in some studio, but actually in a real casino?

Yes indeed, the squillionaires park their yachts in the bay and go to Dragonara to play. But this is the table I feel most comfortable at.

 

[kelapa]

It's night. Here's what happens.

My first bet. Looks like a safe one, as far as bets go, right?
Wrong. 19.

Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. All lost.

Every single time, the ball landed MILES away from any of the losing numbers. Then it made the trademark crazy jump and - poof - another magical win for Evolution Scamming.

 

[kelapa]

Yes indeed, the squillionaires park their yachts in the bay and go to Dragonara to play. But this is the table I feel most comfortable at.

Well, it figures they wouldn't cheat there. Wouldn't want to piss off the maffia hordes and get your leg broke.

 

[ed skull murphy]

Webcam of St. George's Bay:

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[neilw]

One more thing I've noticed: a few specific dealers are literally impossible to beat.
The one in the picture above is Elizabete Kudina. She's one of the absolute mainstays of Evolution. Been around forever.

Whenever she sits down, every player can forget about winning anything for the next half hour or hour (however long her shift is).
It's like a switch gets pulled. You can go ahead and bombard the whole board with chips for fifty rounds; you won't win a single cent.

The second she leaves and another dealer sits down, everything turns back to normal immediately.

I already noticed this long before all the other weird stuff started happening.
So I started wondering how this could possibly be, what made her throws so different from the other dealers'?

Did a bit of detectiving on Facebook and LinkedIn, and turns out her boyfriend is a programmer at a company called Dyninno.
And there seems to be an awful lot of to-ing and fro-ing between Evolution Gaming and Dyninno.

I'll leave my tinfoil hat here.

Just regarding the dealer spins.

They are all trained to spin the same way. Each spin is initiated from the previous winning number and the spin direction of the wheel is reversed for each new spin.

The wheel has to be spun between a certain RPM range (I can't remember what it was, but the dealer can see this on their screen, to ensure spins are consistent). I had a go in the training academy and found it quite difficult to do. I also had the same problem with the wheels at NetEnt. Guess i'm not cutout to be a dealer lol.

The wheels and the dealer performance is monitored by a separate Risk and Game Integrity Team. I haven't seen the info they get or what they do with it, but suspect the only people who can see it are the Auditors and Evo's own staff.

 

[4048]

It's night. Here's what happens.

/snip

My first bet. Looks like a safe one, as far as bets go, right?
Wrong. 19.

Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. All lost.

Every single time, the ball landed MILES away from any of the losing numbers. Then it made the trademark crazy jump and - poof - another magical win for Evolution Scamming.

Bad luck, but I find it hard to believe your 15ish€ lost makes up for the casinos losses on that table.

 

[alexking12k]

Bad luck, but I find it hard to believe your 15ish€ lost makes up for the casinos losses on that table.

Not from a few spins but it all adds up over time.

 

[kelapa]

Just regarding the dealer spins.

They are all trained to spin the same way. Each spin is initiated from the previous winning number and the spin direction of the wheel is reversed for each new spin.

The wheel has to be spun between a certain RPM range (I can't remember what it was, but the dealer can see this on their screen, to ensure spins are consistent). I had a go in the training academy and found it quite difficult to do. I also had the same problem with the wheels at NetEnt. Guess i'm not cutout to be a dealer lol.

The wheels and the dealer performance is monitored by a separate Risk and Game Integrity Team. I haven't seen the info they get or what they do with it, but suspect the only people who can see it are the Auditors and Evo's own staff.

At Evo, the ball has to go round at least 3 times.

But what I mean to say is that the dealers don't have much to do with the problem. It seems more plausible that the software/hardware behind/under the wheel corrects their spins when necessary. Could be that this Elizabete is particularly in favour with the programmers.

 

[kelapa]

Not from a few spins but it all adds up over time.

Exactly.

Evolution is rigged. Go see for yourselves if you're so sure that it's all clean.

 

[ed skull murphy]

Exactly.

Evolution is rigged. Go see for yourselves if you're so sure that it's all clean.

Hey, Kelapa, you seem like an intelligent guy, you're Dutch right? Which means you're intelligent, generally speaking.

Instead of getting all wound up over this, waarom ga je niet de situatie omdraaien tot je eigen voorsprong? Make small bets on the numbers which trend-wise shouldn't be hitting, in other words, the sort of bets that experienced roulette players would NOT make, based on the trend.

You could have, inadvertently, discovered the 'holy grail' my friend!