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Yes Evolution Gaming is Rigged

Without any doubt EVG is rigged and a scam Casino.

I love hearing all youy affiliates or whatever protecting Your employer saying they are not rigged etc. You need to proove it...

First of all how do you proove it? The only answer you will get is it was random, it will even out....

But I say EVG should proove they are not rigged instead. They do not hold any Casino LIcence... Ther main studio for broadcasting is in Riga, where no local authorities will bother to check what goes on...
 
Without any doubt EVG is rigged and a scam Casino.

I love hearing all youy affiliates or whatever protecting Your employer saying they are not rigged etc. You need to proove it...

First of all how do you proove it? The only answer you will get is it was random, it will even out....

But I say EVG should proove they are not rigged instead. They do not hold any Casino LIcence... Ther main studio for broadcasting is in Riga, where no local authorities will bother to check what goes on...

WTF? Nice way to join in the conversation. 7 day suspension for being a douche.
 
go play some uk based fixed odds betting terminals

then say fixed

a number not coming in for 380 spins, check
11 losing thirds in a row?check
8 out of 16 losing spins covering 34 numbers out of 38, check
 
you know betting terminals are fixed and you believe Online Casino do not fix games ?

:rolleyes::notworthy
 
I COMPLETELY AGREE with the OP! I have been playing on ladbrks live roulette, and im not just talking a few quid here and there. After watching tens of thousands of spins, the way the ball lands etc, i have seen ALOT of strange landings.

I had been betting on voisins, and as soon as i put a big bet on of around £380, the ball was ready to land around number 3/35 and somehow scattered over the th other side, almost like air was pushing it, or a magnet pulling it away from the voisins section.

This is very strange as the table i was playing on (vesta roulette) uses a very heavy ball, and when it lands it doesnt usually scattered around very much, but ever since i saw that i have stayed away. Dont get me wrong, u win some u lose some but after i seen that, i think its time to stay away. I asked the live chat operator for the company i bet with 'why' the use evolution gamin in malta, and he just said its the companies decision.

Its blatantly rigged, and that video the o.p posted proves it. If only i had recording software and was playing on my laptop!! I should show u some strange ball landings, that are not even possible without the use of magnets!
 
The OP is absolutely right. I know its an older Topic.
But for the future, just look at this:
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First Picture - 27 28 (29) 30 31 32 33 random for sure..
Second Picture - of course exactly only the black numbers of the third column comes up in a row..

These strange couple of numbers happens nearly 50 Times a day. But the interesting thing is HOW the ball lands.. The biggest scamtables are the Autoroulettes. They work with air pressure and thats the way how they manipulate the ball..
I played on Evo Gaming for Years, every Month. Only losses. And i really tried everything to get a piece of the cake from the evo mafia.. Last 3 months i played on another livecasino with same tacticts - nearly winnings only.

STAY AWAY FROM EVO MAFIA GAMING
 
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must see

while watching this video all i was thinking was about Rocknrolla guy, how sometimes the ball bounces so unnatural right at huge bets, how the stream all of sudden lags while ball is landing:rolleyes: and sometime the bets he make are returned and an error is displaying(in other words: the current dealer dont have the vibrating device at hand atm, come back later).



how licensing and regulation is of any use here? when and how they are tested, are a team of experts going to the studio to see how roulette behave, if they come unannounced how hard is to just replace the ball and continue altering the results afterwards. compare netent evolution with immersive roulette, in bouncing aspect i see a big difference. remember the Blackjack dealer cheat, how lucrative he extracted the card. look how simple this vibrating ball is leaving no traces.
 
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There are loads of cheating devices available on the market. There's dealing shoes with cameras in them so you can see the next card before it's dealt, you have marked cards, and of course there are rigged roulette wheels and dice etc etc.

Whether any of these are used in online live casinos I don't know. I'd never say never, but having been to an Evolution Studio and seen the security in operation there, with the dual security camera setup and auditing that goes on I'd be very surprised if someone like them needed to use equipment to cheat.

Remember they are a third party provider. 100's of casinos will used the stream from one of the tables. The dealers do not have information on what numbers are being bet on. They can see what players are at the table and which ones are placing bets.

Evolution make their money from licensing the game, they charge a monthly fee and in some instances may take a revenue share from the casino. The dealers work for Evolution, not for the casinos and this is true even with the private and dedicated tables.

The Auto Roulette is indeed powered using compressed air. It's used to get the wheel spinning and also to fire the ball into the wheel. These wheels are also used extensively in Land Based Casinos, so they are not something new for the online world.

NetEnt and Evolution use wheels from different manufacturers so there is bound to be a difference between the two when you compare them.

Regarding the Betonline dealer and the cheating. We all saw the video of what he was doing. What we don't know is why and who benefitted from it. Nothing has been proved one way or another. It's quite possible the dealer was paid to do it, to create an uproar for viral marketing, or the software provider GGL was cheating the casinos using their service (how'd they benefit from that I've no idea). There's lots of explanations, but nothing has come to light.

I do know that GGL doesn't have a particularly good reputation. They are one of a few Live Casino providers to take US players. They are based in Costa Rica, where we know there isn't any form of Licensing. I'm actually going there this month to check out the other Live Casino providers to see how they operate as there are some good ones based their and I need to satisfy myself that I'm recommending a good product.

If you and the OP truly believe that what you're playing is rigged, stop playing.

To convince me that there is systematic rigging going on I would need to hear from a dealer who was involved, a pit boss who was responsible for the tables and a technical person responsible for setting these things up. If there is widespread cheating then it won't be difficult to find some people to spill the beans. Up to now we've heard nothing expect from disgruntled players that have lost money.

I think that is called "Gambling".
 
To convince me that there is systematic rigging going on I would need to hear from a dealer who was involved, a pit boss who was responsible for the tables and a technical person responsible for setting these things up. If there is widespread cheating then it won't be difficult to find some people to spill the beans. Up to now we've heard nothing expect from disgruntled players that have lost money.

i agree. though depends what contracts they sign and if the salary is oversatisfactory. to come ahead and reveal insider infos one has to reveal his name and say bye to gambling pie, an industry that keeps on growing. to believe that is not necessary to cheat because the house edge is at works, lets not forget the Absolutepoker and Ultimate bet where they made sure money from rake and banking fees for just providing a space to play poker yet they felt the need to aim for more. they've been caught because were reckless. not an official regulator or LEA put the operation to its knees but the players blatant video proof from which the actions followed. there are lots of roulette strange bouncing captured on video, unfortunately a better proof cannot be obtained from the gameplay. even if the studio is not directly earning anything from the scheme, in case of huge bets they can divert the ball from the hotzone where the ball almost landed like in the video above, protecting the casino funds or limiting the exposure for oversized payouts. im very skeptical that evolution roulette is all about providing a space to play roulette. may be at low stake tables. higher limits and strange things are happening.
 
I am very convinced Evolution Gaming use magnets

There are loads of cheating devices available on the market. There's dealing shoes with cameras in them so you can see the next card before it's dealt, you have marked cards, and of course there are rigged roulette wheels and dice etc etc.

Whether any of these are used in online live casinos I don't know. I'd never say never, but having been to an Evolution Studio and seen the security in operation there, with the dual security camera setup and auditing that goes on I'd be very surprised if someone like them needed to use equipment to cheat.

I am very curious what you did at a EVG studio?

Everybody cheats. Its all about the money. If you think for 10 seconds, how many of the most successfull companies in the world have been involved in a scam? More then you can count to.

Remember they are a third party provider. 100's of casinos will used the stream from one of the tables. The dealers do not have information on what numbers are being bet on. They can see what players are at the table and which ones are placing bets.

This is not all correct. EVG has confirmed to me that tehy can see all bets before ball lands. So they know what numbers will give the highest payout and als lowes. As a player you can also see highest winners from each round, and then see f your bet/ winnings would have been more or less then the "pennygamlers" combined.

Evolution make their money from licensing the game, they charge a monthly fee and in some instances may take a revenue share from the casino. The dealers work for Evolution, not for the casinos and this is true even with the private and dedicated tables.

This is kind of true. However, read a little on their webpage on how tehy generate revenue. They recieve a percentege of each rounds losses.


The Auto Roulette is indeed powered using compressed air. It's used to get the wheel spinning and also to fire the ball into the wheel. These wheels are also used extensively in Land Based Casinos, so they are not something new for the online world.

They only have to change the ball if they want to. There are plenty of "downhours" where cameras are shut of.

NetEnt and Evolution use wheels from different manufacturers so there is bound to be a difference between the two when you compare them.

Regarding the Betonline dealer and the cheating. We all saw the video of what he was doing. What we don't know is why and who benefitted from it. Nothing has been proved one way or another. It's quite possible the dealer was paid to do it, to create an uproar for viral marketing, or the software provider GGL was cheating the casinos using their service (how'd they benefit from that I've no idea). There's lots of explanations, but nothing has come to light.

I do know that GGL doesn't have a particularly good reputation. They are one of a few Live Casino providers to take US players. They are based in Costa Rica, where we know there isn't any form of Licensing. I'm actually going there this month to check out the other Live Casino providers to see how they operate as there are some good ones based their and I need to satisfy myself that I'm recommending a good product.

If you and the OP truly believe that what you're playing is rigged, stop playing.

OMG, so t\you still think they should continue cheating? No, someone needs to take action and bring this scam down.

To convince me that there is systematic rigging going on I would need to hear from a dealer who was involved, a pit boss who was responsible for the tables and a technical person responsible for setting these things up. If there is widespread cheating then it won't be difficult to find some people to spill the beans. Up to now we've heard nothing expect from disgruntled players that have lost money.

EVG in RIGA is run by mafia. You dont out them if you live there. Then they come after you. Have you seen the cleaners at Roulette? Who needs Bodyguards to clean a Roulette Table... And also, do you really think the dealers care? They make a decent living, and to be honest they are probably not even in on it.

I think that is called "Gambling".

If its rigged its not called gambling, but a scam and illigal. I have chased EVG and operators for some kind of proof there are performed controlls etc of this studio, but this is so impossible to come up with. If all was so legit, why not just proove me and others wrong?


I finally now managed MGA to take me seriously and look into my complaint. Two months ago they reached out to EVG, do you think they have answered?
 
I am very curious what you did at a EVG studio?

I spent a day at the Studio in Malta. I met with the Head of Live Casino, had a tour of the facilities, spent time with a number of the dealers and one of the technicians from Riga, who was there setting up the new Double Ball Roulette facility. I got to see behind the scenes, the training facilities and the control monitoring rooms.

Everybody cheats. Its all about the money. If you think for 10 seconds, how many of the most successfull companies in the world have been involved in a scam? More then you can count to.

I disagree that everyone cheats. Undoubtedly there are cheats out there and at the highest levels of commerce. Just look at the Banking system in the UK. I'd never say never, but I need to see concrete proof.
There are plenty of dealers and staff that don't work at the live casino operators anymore, so it should be relatively easy to find someone with the information to substantiate cheating claims. The dealers are mainly students, so the turnover is high.

This is not all correct. EVG has confirmed to me that tehy can see all bets before ball lands. So they know what numbers will give the highest payout and als lowes. As a player you can also see highest winners from each round, and then see f your bet/ winnings would have been more or less then the "pennygamlers" combined.

My information may be of out date as there have been lots of changes to the backend at Evolution. It was certainly the case when I visited but that may now have changed.

OMG, so t\you still think they should continue cheating? No, someone needs to take action and bring this scam down.

No I'm not saying that. I'm saying come up with some concrete proof and evidence if you think people are cheating.

I'm trying to become more informed about how these companies operate. I am visiting their studios, meeting with the people that run them and asking them questions about their operations. Seeing it first hand. I'm doing as much as I can to reduce the risk to players that come to me for recommendations. I don't see anyone else doing this level of due diligence.

EVG in RIGA is run by mafia. You dont out them if you live there. Then they come after you. Have you seen the cleaners at Roulette? Who needs Bodyguards to clean a Roulette Table... And also, do you really think the dealers care? They make a decent living, and to be honest they are probably not even in on it.

Hearsay or fact about the Mafia? can you expand and tell me / us more?

If its rigged its not called gambling, but a scam and illigal. I have chased EVG and operators for some kind of proof there are performed controlls etc of this studio, but this is so impossible to come up with. If all was so legit, why not just proove me and others wrong?


I finally now managed MGA to take me seriously and look into my complaint. Two months ago they reached out to EVG, do you think they have answered?

I'm sorry that you have had an issue and have an ongoing complaint with the MGA. I'm interested to know who the other operators are that you refer to. I may be able to get information about the controls if I know which operators to ask.
 
Thanks for swift response to my feedback.

To continue this could I please ask how you get access to EVG studio in Riga? Are you an affiliate or do you represent a magazine or something? Just curious since they chose to ignore an email from me:)

Everybody does of course not cheat, but like you say far to many do. But there is without a doubt cheating in all businesses, and unfortunately gambling does not have a very good reputation.
yes people loose at gambling, the odds are set up like that. However when there are so many complaints regarding this one studio in Riga, does it not say something?

And also there is not much good in gambling. Its all about making money, and this can only be done by others loosing in gambling.

And when VW cheats to make money, or your local bank or your food store at the corner, why should not a Casino with absolutely no transparancy regarding controlsl etc not cheat. Or let me rephrase, all these threads around different online forums, why dont EVG proove once and for all they are not rigged. Ask us how we would be satisfied. Instead they chose to ignore us.

I have sent a complaint regarding EVG that MGA actually are chasing an answer from, but they chose to ignore MGA. Does it not say something?
If their books where clean, why not just answer us?
 
Thanks for swift response to my feedback.

To continue this could I please ask how you get access to EVG studio in Riga? Are you an affiliate or do you represent a magazine or something? Just curious since they chose to ignore an email from me:)

I am an affiliate and have spent some time developing relationships with Live Casino operators. This takes some time, they need to trust me as much as I need to trust them.

I'm independant and I'm just as interested to see a clean industry. I'm not going to recommend casinos/software solutions to people if they are bent. The house edge is sufficient for casinos and me to make money. It's what i do for my living and i approach it professionally as I would any other business venture.

Evolution are a publically listed company, so their accounts and books are freely available. You can find them on their website.

The whole area of transparency is an interesting one and something I had already planned to pursue when I'm in Costa Rica later this month.

I'm also due also to meet with Evolution, Playtech and others when I visit Riga hopefully next month, and is also something I'll be discussing with them.
 
I am an affiliate and have spent some time developing relationships with Live Casino operators. This takes some time, they need to trust me as much as I need to trust them.

I'm independant and I'm just as interested to see a clean industry. I'm not going to recommend casinos/software solutions to people if they are bent. The house edge is sufficient for casinos and me to make money. It's what i do for my living and i approach it professionally as I would any other business venture.

Evolution are a publically listed company, so their accounts and books are freely available. You can find them on their website.

The whole area of transparency is an interesting one and something I had already planned to pursue when I'm in Costa Rica later this month.

I'm also due also to meet with Evolution, Playtech and others when I visit Riga hopefully next month, and is also something I'll be discussing with them.

Well some affiliates have responded in this forum that they actually loose money on EVG in RiGA because payout is so good there for players. And that just pisses me off... It makes the entire affiliate business look stupid just because of this one comment.
However, you do not look stupid like that...

I know Evolution is listed on Stockholm Nasdaq, and through their Investor Relations pages I found a lot of information. Like the fact that they recieve a percentege of each spin, depending on winnings, in addition to licence fee.
This means that low winnings gives higher earingns for EVG. EVG not being a Casino, and not having a casino licence and having this payoutdeal where there is no actual control, at least not documented or that they are willing to share makes me more irritated and convinced they are a scam.

But when you visit EVG I hope you can find some answers to;

1. Why they do not respond to MGA regarding a complaint of fraud.
2. Why they do not have a 3 party control all devices and make reports public?
3. I honestly also think they should google themselves and see what people write about them, and have them look at videos of dodgy strange spins. Its not only me...
 
Did you find some answers when meeting with EVG etc?

I am an affiliate and have spent some time developing relationships with Live Casino operators. This takes some time, they need to trust me as much as I need to trust them.

I'm independant and I'm just as interested to see a clean industry. I'm not going to recommend casinos/software solutions to people if they are bent. The house edge is sufficient for casinos and me to make money. It's what i do for my living and i approach it professionally as I would any other business venture.

Evolution are a publically listed company, so their accounts and books are freely available. You can find them on their website.

The whole area of transparency is an interesting one and something I had already planned to pursue when I'm in Costa Rica later this month.

I'm also due also to meet with Evolution, Playtech and others when I visit Riga hopefully next month, and is also something I'll be discussing with them.

Hello again,

Did you get some usefull information from meetings with MGA etc?

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Hello again,

Did you get some usefull information from meetings with MGA etc?

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I'm of to meet with Evolution in Latvia next week, so will ask them then.

I also went to Costa Rica to meet with Vivo, Ezugi & Visionary iGaming. I've written a couple of trip reports
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Hi again..well..in the last sessions i made a few videos at the autoroulette table because i fckin know they are absolutely rigged..
They are way more easy to manipulate because of the air pressure in the wheel..
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Now where you saw a.spin like this, would you still say Evolution Gaming tables aint rigged?
Spins like this happens feeled 1000 times a day..if i see shit like this i just think Whatthefuuuuck, how can this be legal? Why just everybody give a fuck?
 
Hi again..well..in the last sessions i made a few videos at the autoroulette table because i fckin know they are absolutely rigged..
They are way more easy to manipulate because of the air pressure in the wheel..
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Now where you saw a.spin like this, would you still say Evolution Gaming tables aint rigged?
Spins like this happens feeled 1000 times a day..if i see shit like this i just think Whatthefuuuuck, how can this be legal? Why just everybody give a fuck?

How old are you, 15? :what: Do not use this sort of language when making posts. If you want anyone to take you or this forum seriously, don't do it. Posts like this will get you either ignored or banned.
 
Well, sorry..i am.serious, pretty serious..but atm i'm very angry too and not without reason because its not only evolution gaming IF they are a company with illegal methods..but i am pretty sure there MUST be something wrong with that autoroulettes..
The whole world is full of lies, manipulations and Criminal companys..and it just makes me sad, that the people just lives with and accept it without trying to fight it..
 
Hi again..well..in the last sessions i made a few videos at the autoroulette table because i fckin know they are absolutely rigged..
They are way more easy to manipulate because of the air pressure in the wheel..
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Now where you saw a.spin like this, would you still say Evolution Gaming tables aint rigged?
Spins like this happens feeled 1000 times a day..if i see shit like this i just think Whatthefuuuuck, how can this be legal? Why just everybody give a fuck?

Ok BleiFry, I'm going to take the bait, let's examine what you've said and observed.

They are way more easy to manipulate because of the air pressure in the wheel..

Can you explain why the wheels are more easy to manipulate because of the air pressure?. How do the wheels operate normally? How is Air used to operate the wheel? How is the "Air Pressure" then manipulated? Do you have hard evidence or are you just guessing?

I've watch the video you posted and to me it looks like how all Roulette wheels behave. The balls bounce around in a random fashion and land where they land. They settle once all momentum has gone.

Surely if the ball behaved in exactly the same way for each spin then that would not be random?. What I believe you're seeing is the ball behaving in an random way.

Spins like this happens feeled 1000 times a day..

So if this behaviour is happening a 1000 times a day, could it be that's how the wheel operates normally. What's an alternative operation look like?

if i see shit like this i just think Whatthefuuuuck, how can this be legal? Why just everybody give a fuck?

Perhaps because most people have a different view from you!

I'm not here defending Evolution or any of the live games providers, but to make accusations you really need hard physical evidence to back up your claims or no-one is going to take you seriously.

Unless you have, any Cheating / Scam thread is just a waste of time. The ones that provide evidence, and there have been some recently about Fake Games are both informative and add real value to the forum and other players.

If you've lost money, then I'm sorry. At the moment you just sound like a sore loser who is looking to blame someone else. Provide the evidence and we'll support your claims to the hilt.
 
Can you explain why the wheels are more easy to manipulate because of the air pressure?. How do the wheels operate normally?

How is Air used to operate the wheel? How is the "Air Pressure" then manipulated? Do you have hard evidence or are you just guessing?

Wheels normaly operate by a spin of a human dealer. At the autoroulette there is a computersystem inside the wheel which controls everything.

And Because of that they could use air pressure exactly at the places of the numbers to blow up the ball into any number which brings the most possible profit.

if you watch the video you can specially see that normaly there was no reason for the ball to get out of the 18 again. There was no more spin energy left, if you look exactly you can see that this move wasnt build on normal "bump" physics.

I've watch the video you posted and to me it looks like how all Roulette wheels behave. The balls bounce around in a random fashion and land where they land. They settle once all momentum has gone.

Surely if the ball behaved in exactly the same way for each spin then that would not be random?. What I believe you're seeing is the ball behaving in an random way.

Did you ever played REAL live roulette to surely can say that all roulettewheels behave like this? Bumping around is one thing..ofc this is pretty normal but the move from the 18 into the 7 had nothing to do with bumping around, that was a really smooth suckout. And you cant tell me that you ever saw something like this at a wheel with a human dealer. I often play roulette in Czech and there never happens ghostmoves like this.


So if this behaviour is happening a 1000 times a day, could it be that's how the wheel operates normally. What's an alternative operation look like?

Perhaps because most people have a different view from you!

Maybe 1000 was said too much..
but if strange things happens very often to us they automaticly geting a normal status in our lives.. thats absolutly wrong to live that way

Of course most people have a differnt view, because they dont want to solve problems, they just want to live a easy life.
For the most people its of course easier to ignore or to live with the problems they surround them instead to solve, or to do something against them. Thats always the job of other people.

I'm not here defending Evolution or any of the live games providers, but to make accusations you really need hard physical evidence to back up your claims or no-one is going to take you seriously.

I am about to get the best evidence i can..thats the reason i wont post any single strange spin, i will just publish the most important spins where you can clearly see that there is something wrong at these roulette tables. So people cant blame me saying "well, thats the way physics go" or "you are just a bad loser".


Btw. Evolution Gaming had a autoroulette table called "Slingshot". At this table you could clearly see that the ball was slowed down MANUALLY after a few spins, why ever,how ever.
Probably no videos of it because it happened a year ago, where i didnt started to make any videos..

So, if they, or the computersystem inside of the wheel can manually control the speed of the ball, it shouldnt be a problem to control the ball at the end of a spin?!

Another question is why their bases are exactly at places like Latvia or Malta where you ever cant harm them...even if the half world would have evidence againts them they would be more safe than mother Mary in the arms of Jesus..if they would be really sincere, they wouldnt need to still hide there after all the money they made.


I hope my english wasnt too bad at all, its not my motherlanguage..
 
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