Does your rtp change depending on what country you are playing

[clogs]

I use a VPN for duelbits. Is it true if I use germany I will get a lower rtp then a country that gets better rtp?

 

[satchnz]

I use a VPN for duelbits. Is it true if I use germany I will get a lower rtp then a country that gets better rtp?

No. RTP is set at the casino’s end (by the slot provider). The location the customer logs in from has no bearing on RTP.

 

[Jono777]

Not so sure here guys.

If the casino thinks you're playing from Germany which DOES have lower RTP than some others then surely you will get this lower RTP?

 

[itsme123]

I think the RTP in Germany is directly due to gambling tax, equates to around 6% each spin unless I’m talking poo again

 

[Guntis]

I think bad RTPs are in their regulated casinos like Lowen Play, Merkur, etc. Other casinos like Duelbits have nothing to do with Germany's GGL regulations.

 

[slot_zombie]

Unless the casino is paying the German gaming tax (unlikely as offshore) then they should still offer full RTP.

 

[orion]

afaik TRTPs on SOME regulated markets are different from full.

 

[jasonuk]

No. RTP is set at the casino’s end (by the slot provider). The location the customer logs in from has no bearing on RTP.

I'm not so sure here, it'll depend on how the casino deploys their website.

For example:

• casino one is an old timer who has dot-uk, dot-eu and dot-com sites and each one has a different RTP model
• casino two is a modern upstart and does the same thing using modern technology - so one domain with internal geolocation tools

In the first case, you can see different RTPs by visiting different sites; however in the second case those different RTPs exist but you may not be aware of it. It's certainly a thing as some UK-facing sites have had the same slot on two math models (e.g. 94% and 96%) depending on which tab you visited.

The RTP for the deployment is set on the provider end - but that doesn't stop the casino having more than one deployment of it.

Which inevitably asks a question will a rogue operator switch the deployments on the fly? Historically I would have said no because one casino has one deployment (for that very reason, in the few cases where multiple models existed), but now it's technically possible and I fear only a matter of time.

 

[orion]

a question will a rogue operator switch the deployments on the fly?

 

[The Reel Story]

It's certainly possible, but it's probably unlikely to be done according to VPN geolocation. It would instead be done by the accounts registered country. So if you signed up and did KYC as Slovakia, your account would always use Slovakian settings regardless of where you VPN from.

If you're using Crypto with no KYC, then I imagine they will just offer one RTP as you're effectively anonymous at that point so there's really not much need to modify RTP based on any regulation or anything, regardless off your VPN location.

 

[satchnz]

I'm not so sure here, it'll depend on how the casino deploys their website.

For example:

• casino one is an old timer who has dot-uk, dot-eu and dot-com sites and each one has a different RTP model
• casino two is a modern upstart and does the same thing using modern technology - so one domain with internal geolocation tools

In the first case, you can see different RTPs by visiting different sites; however in the second case those different RTPs exist but you may not be aware of it. It's certainly a thing as some UK-facing sites have had the same slot on two math models (e.g. 94% and 96%) depending on which tab you visited.

The RTP for the deployment is set on the provider end - but that doesn't stop the casino having more than one deployment of it.

Which inevitably asks a question will a rogue operator switch the deployments on the fly? Historically I would have said no because one casino has one deployment (for that very reason, in the few cases where multiple models existed), but now it's technically possible and I fear only a matter of time.

I think we’re over complicating the question here. I took it to mean same casino (same domain) but different VPN locations. Not different domains for the same casino or choosing the same game which is in two different locations (tabs) within the same casino.

I don’t see any benefits of offering different RTP settings based on log in location, unless the casino is rogue, and that’s a different discussion. Rogue casinos will do what they can to deceive players.

I thought someone might pick up on my comment about where the RTP is set, but I think you know what I meant .

At the end of the day all of this is technically possible, and this is just my opinion based on my own (albeit limited) experiences.

 

[Mr Wild]

I believe many sites have different RTP depending on countries. Can be about risk or tax.

 

[jasonuk]

I think we’re over complicating the question here. I took it to mean same casino (same domain) but different VPN locations. Not different domains for the same casino or choosing the same game which is in two different locations (tabs) within the same casino.

I don’t see any benefits of offering different RTP settings based on log in location, unless the casino is rogue, and that’s a different discussion. Rogue casinos will do what they can to deceive players.

That's fair, I was more focusing on dispelling the widely held belief that one casino = one RTP model, which historically would have been true but now demonstrably isn't. The two examples given being clear and obvious RTP differences rather than hidden in technical wizardry.

The main benefit would be regulatory compliance - if a site has multiple licenses, then if the account allows play from another jurisdiction (and most do not - always check the terms and conditions if you're going to consider something like this, and never with a VPN), then I would expect the RTP to be set on where you are playing if that imposes such a restriction. I would imagine that most sites would throw in the towel at this point and just say no instead though.

I do remember when a streamer was "playing with his friend" who was "visiting from Malta", the Maltese account was temporarily bound by UKGC rules. So it's certainly happened before.

In the case of the high seas, they tend to ignore client jurisdiction anyway - which is where the variations will come from (e.g. Germany). It doesn't mean they can't, but there's no need to currently.

 

[The Reel Story]

That's fair, I was more focusing on dispelling the widely held belief that one casino = one RTP model, which historically would have been true but now demonstrably isn't. The two examples given being clear and obvious RTP differences rather than hidden in technical wizardry.

The main benefit would be regulatory compliance - if a site has multiple licenses, then if the account allows play from another jurisdiction (and most do not - always check the terms and conditions if you're going to consider something like this, and never with a VPN), then I would expect the RTP to be set on where you are playing if that imposes such a restriction (e.g. UK, Germany, Netherlands).

I do remember when a streamer was "playing with his friend" who was "visiting from Malta", the Maltese account was temporarily bound by UKGC rules. So it's certainly happened before.

In the case of the high seas, they tend to ignore client jurisdiction anyway - which is where the variations will come from (e.g. Germany). It doesn't mean they can't, but there's no need to currently.

In terms of the Maltese thing, I think the opposite is true? The Bandit had his mate over from Malta and was doing bonus buys on his account. He had checked with the Casino that this was ok.

I think you're pretty much always bound by the rules of your registered KYC.

 

[jasonuk]

In terms of the Maltese thing, I think the opposite is true? The Bandit had his mate over from Malta and was doing bonus buys on his account. He had checked with the Casino that this was ok.

I think you're pretty much always bound by the rules of your registered KYC.

Yes apologies - I've double-checked and I've got it the wrong way around - it was originally a UK-based account that was migrated to Malta (so denominated in GBP, but under Maltese jurisdiction). So confirming what you said before.

Still astounds me that VS "allowed" an affiliate to do that - but that's one for the UKGC if they ever bother to wake up from their years-long slumber.


Thinking back to some of the poker conversations of old, for short-term visits they would either approve it (using the original jurisdiction) or deny it. For longer-term visits they would insist on paperwork and then update the location (and jurisdiction) accordingly. The primary restriction being it had to be the same player pool - so no migration from UK (global) to France (local) for example.

 

[orion]

It would instead be done by the accounts registered country. So if you signed up and did KYC as Slovakia, your account would always use Slovakian settings regardless of where you VPN from.

I think this is the crucial point. At least, it is for me.
Are you 100% sure about it ?

Any casino/provider insider who can confirm or deny this point ?

 

[The Reel Story]

I think this is the crucial point. At least, it is for me.
Are you 100% sure about it ?

Any casino/provider insider who can confirm or deny this point ?

I'm 100% sure that's the way we used to do it. But that was more than 10 years ago on a single platform (multiple Casinos).

I obviously can't speak for the recent market, but I would bet it's still the case.

I'm asking a mate. He's still in the industry. Will let you know what he says.

 

[The Reel Story]

I'm 100% sure that's the way we used to do it. But that was more than 10 years ago on a single platform (multiple Casinos).

I obviously can't speak for the recent market, but I would bet it's still the case.

I'm asking a mate. He's still in the industry. Will let you know what he says.

He said that for providers running their own game servers, these days they just tend to have one RTP for all territories, at least on the platform he works on.

He's not too sure about anything from the Casino side as he doesn't work much on that these days.

Best I can do I'm afraid

 

[mcgameboy]

If the winners list scroller thingy at CR casinos is to be believed, then the answer is probably YES.

Brits = can't win to save their fucking lives.
Canadians = can't lose to save their fucking spawny twatted lives.

Everywhere else = somewhere between the Brits and the Canadians.........

 

[OliverCooper]

I use a VPN for duelbits. Is it true if I use germany I will get a lower rtp then a country that gets better rtp?

If nothing has changed then the RTP depends solely on the casino and not on the location