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Recent issues that may be discriminatory. Each country or region will have its own regulations and peoples will have their opinions. How do you weigh in on these:

  • Sportsbetting: Sportsbook reduces limit of one player to 1% of countryman. $1000:$10 Hungarian playing UK Sportsbook bet365
  • Bonus restrictions by region/residency
  • Bingo site allegedly closing accounts because of players belonging to advocate forum
 
I used to run an online record store taking orders for CDs. We had a high amount of fraud from a number of Asian and African countries, so we stopped taking orders from any country in Asia and Africa and our problems stopped overnight and the effect on sales revenue was minimal.

My point is, if I was running a business dealing with consumers, I would want to be, expect to be, allowed to discriminate against who I like. It's my business and I should be allowed to pick and choose who I sell to. And if people don't like it, then go somewhere else.
 
I agree. Others don't (per source threads)

But can a buffet offer 'all you can eat' to a skinny person and 'limit one plate' to a large person? i.e. sportsbook limits and casino bonus offers?

Would we expect other rogue behavior from a casino (or bingo site) that closed accounts or refused to pay due to forum activity? (alledged closed accounts atcyberbingo... known refused to pay @Virtual)
 
100% of buffet places are "'all you can eat' :lolup:
They are great for The Fat one's and they love them skinny people to come they don't eat as much.


Should casinos and sportsbooks be the same? I can't send out coupons to only skinny people... should everyone be treated equally?

Of course there is market choice... I can shop where 'my kind' is welcome and not frequent 'discriminators'.
 
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The important thing IMHO in my opinion is if there is a valid reason for discriminating. If a business, like in Simmo's case, have big problems with fraud from certain countries then that is clearly a sufficent reason to not accept customers from those countries. If, for example, a restaurant doesn't accept people of certain race because the owner's prejudice then that reason is not valid.

Sportsbetting: Sportsbook reduces limit of one player to 1% of countryman. $1000:$10 Hungarian playing UK Sportsbook bet365

OK

Bonus restrictions by region/residency

OK

Bingo site allegedly closing accounts because of players belonging to advocate forum

Not OK if the reason is to try to silence criticism. Could be OK if there is the forum is linked to some sort of fraudulent activity. Of course all legitimate players must be payed.
 
I used to run an online record store taking orders for CDs. We had a high amount of fraud from a number of Asian and African countries, so we stopped taking orders from any country in Asia and Africa and our problems stopped overnight and the effect on sales revenue was minimal.

My point is, if I was running a business dealing with consumers, I would want to be, expect to be, allowed to discriminate against who I like. It's my business and I should be allowed to pick and choose who I sell to. And if people don't like it, then go somewhere else.

Totally correct. The casino/sportsbook may choose the limits for any of its customers. In return, they can decide whether they want to bet there. Before any outcome, no one knows whether its a winning bet or not so why is it unfair. There must be a balance against so-called discrimination and the right to protect a business through exposure to high bets.
 
If this is the one from the other thread...

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This isn't descrimination, he's had a large bet, and instead or cutting the price to a lot shorter, they have just limited the further amount he can have on it. Happens day in day out at bookmakers
 
Should everyone be treated equally?
Now that is a crazy thing to ask.
We all now this is a Yes.
But this is what life is you have many discriminators out in the World today.
And it's sucks too.
And it's like my Bus Trips to the casinos I do.
I was told by someone in the State if I know someone on Welfair and they come with me I should report them.But you know what I can't I can't lower myself to do this to someone.But if I know if this person is very much in debt and they have a family and the family don't have food on the table or a good living quarters this is something different for me to take.
 
This isn't descrimination, he's had a large bet, and instead or cutting the price to a lot shorter, they have just limited the further amount he can have on it. Happens day in day out at bookmakers

I gather that he feels it is discrimination because of the laws or standards of his country of origin.

Is Hungary EU? Does the EU have such laws? Is UK not yet EU?

I think VWM asserted in a bonus 'discrimination' discussion that it is not 'cricket' to offer one person a retail offer or coupon without giving the same opportunity to everyone. iirc.
 
Not OK if the reason is to try to silence criticism. Could be OK if there is the forum is linked to some sort of fraudulent activity. Of course all legitimate players must be payed.

I agree with your post Tencard except the above bit. I still think it is ok for the Bingo program to stop taking players who frequent a forum. They can choose to a) listen to the critics or b) turn their back on them. If they choose the latter, that should be their choice IMO and that includes shutting them out. If the critics dont like it they can play elsewhere but they are still free to criticise openly.

It's not dissimilar to a forum. If I ran a forum and people came along and started pissing me off, I'd ban them way quicker than CM ever would. And I should be allowed to - they can go whine elsewhere about how victimised they are but at least life goes on without any hassle on my forum.
 
Now that is a crazy thing to ask.
We all now this is a Yes.
But this is what life is you have many discriminators out in the World today.
And it's sucks too.
And it's like my Bus Trips to the casinos I do.
I was told by someone in the State if I know someone on Welfair and they come with me I should report them.But you know what I can't I can't lower myself to do this to someone.But if I know if this person is very much in debt and they have a family and the family don't have food on the table or a good living quarters this is something different for me to take.

Well, I guess if the state underwrites the transit service, they have the ability to 'discriminate'... it's their money going into the casino? If they don't subsidize the bus service, that was a gestapo action on their part, imo.
 
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This isn't descrimination, he's had a large bet, and instead or cutting the price to a lot shorter, they have just limited the further amount he can have on it. Happens day in day out at bookmakers

I don't think you understand him. His issue is not that he placed $4,000 on one outcome, then tried to place some more on the same outcome.

He was limited to placing 1% of the previous maximum on all events. In other words, they were limiting his account because he was winning.

It would be akin to fortune lounge limiting Juliack to $5 maximum bets on Video Poker :)
 
... It's not dissimilar to a forum. If I ran a forum and people came along and started pissing me off, I'd ban them way quicker than CM ever would. And I should be allowed to - they can go whine elsewhere about how victimised they are but at least life goes on without any hassle on my forum.

Wouldn't that smack of censorship? Certainly it's the forum owner/moderator's right to control access - but fairness dictates that opposing opinions, respectfully rendered should be tolerated if not encouraged.... Or else we have virtual danny's forum:eek2:
 
Well, I guess if the state underwrites the transit service, they have the ability to 'discriminate'... it's their money going into the casino? If they don't subsidize the bus service, that was a gestapo action on their part, imo.
The State don't fund this.It's money out of the customers pocket.
You do have to see it in the States eyes.It's really tax payers money here.
And I don't look into everyone's life to see what they have.It's really non of my business.But in this business you do hear some good one's.and it can be all hear say too.
 
I don't think you understand him. His issue is not that he placed $4,000 on one outcome, then tried to place some more on the same outcome.

He was limited to placing 1% of the previous maximum on all events. In other words, they were limiting his account because he was winning.

It would be akin to fortune lounge limiting Juliack to $5 maximum bets on Video Poker :)

In the 'real world' odds are always changing. Bet limits are unfair, the odds determine the limits. A large bet would affect the next odds, wouldn't it? I don't use online sportsbooks, so don't know how they work.
 
In the 'real world' odds are always changing. Bet limits are unfair, the odds determine the limits. A large bet would affect the next odds, wouldn't it? I don't use online sportsbooks, so don't know how they work.

i understand what you mean. but if there are 99 10 bettors and 1 20,000 bettor, and he/she puts 20,000 on a horse at 10/1, and the bookmaker cuts the price to 6/1, is it fair that all the 10 punters have to take this price? if you limit the big staking bettor, then he has 20,000 at 10/1 and the 10 bettors can get their money on at 10/1 so everyone is happy.
 
I think some casino discrimination rules are unreasonable because they don't seem to be related to fraud. If the problem is fraud, they should be fighting that, rather than blocking whole countries.

Discrimination used to be the norm, and was acceptable only 50 or so years ago, but the groups discriminated against fought back and have won rights to equal treatment. The rules now require a good reason to be made for discrimination, it is not good enough just to discriminate and not say why.

Grand Prive were a case in point. They decided to stop giving bonuses to players who used the British Pound, as it gave such players an unfair advantage. In order to receive their promotions, players had to use the US Dollar. This wasn't discrimatory, as all players had the choice to use the dollar and receive promotions, or use the pound and not receive them.

They then added a rule that UK players had to use the pound, and this became discrimination, as the players could not take part on an equal footing by having the same options as all the rest.

The argument about businesses discriminating on grounds of place of origin is not that clear cut, and here in the UK would be illegal if the discrimination were solely on grounds of things like race, gender, religion etc. Discrimination would be allowed on the basis of an individuals circumstances, and if an individual repeatedly commits fraud they can be banned from the places they have targeted, or may target in the future.

Discrimination on the internet is hard to police, as the question of juristiction arises, and it would be up to the person discriminated against to make a complaint. Where the country is outside the EU, and the complainant is not on EU soil at the time of discrimination, the business will most likely not be challenged.

My suspicion with casinos is that they are NOT discriminating due to fraud in many cases, as they would have us believe that US players are above such things, but the Fins are all thieves, along with the Danes. It seems the discrimination is against small countries, but with the US they will swallow the cost of the fraud (naturally, UIGEA has changed everything since).

It would really take a test case in the courts to see if certain types of discrimination are allowable or not, and it would depend on the reasons given.
Current arguments exist about discrimination against MEN with car insurance. The insurers are currently allowed to do this, because the discrimination is based on risk assessment, and not purely gender. This, however, may change, as the EU want to outlaw this kind of risk profiling, and require insurers to asess drivers as individuals.

Casinos can get away with such discrimination because it would be the law in their licencing juristiction that counts, so those moving to Malta had better realise that some of their terms might be subject to challenge, and they may be required to make changes. Because all EU countries are considered equal, it will not be allowable simply to day that one EU country is a hotbed of fraud and another is fine. The EU courts will take the view that if they met the criteria for admittance in the first place, they are no less "safe" than any other for business.
If anything, the EU rules against discrimination are so extreme that it is the business to prove their innocence, not the complainant to prove guilt, which is the opposite of most other court matters. This is because those that seek to discriminate because of personal prejudice have found ways to frustrate the law, and use "indirect" methods to get rid of those they don't like.

In the case of the African countries, it would be down to the business to PROVE that the rate of fraud is so high they had no other choice (should the courts decide to accept the matter, that is). There are one or two countries that are deemed so "evil" they sit on official blacklists, and in these cases it IS legal to discriminate against it's citizens, and in some cases it is compulsory.

What particuarly raises my blood pressure are those casinos that call ME a "fraud" or "fraud risk" just because I live here in England:mad:
 
Does a restaurant have the right to tell a guest without any reason, you cannot enter and eat here?
Does a shop have the right to tell a customer without any reason, you cannot enter and buy here?
Does a casino have the right to tell the player without any reason, you cannot play here?
 
In the US it's actually legal for an auto insurance company to use your credit score (fico) to determine your insurance rates. As liability insurance is compulsory in most if not all states, this has the de facto effect of discriminating against the poor, because somehow a study must have shown that all risk is bad risk. (study probably funded by insurance industry if one was actually done at all)

Market force should be the way to deal with the issues, but as we can see from Rogue casinos continuing to operate, boycotts can't work without dissemination of information and solidarity of 'consumers'.

I wonder if there is a personality trait more common in gamblers than others that says, 'I got mine, you're on your own', or if apathy or ignorance of the issues is what is at the heart of it all.

My opinions so far:

Bookmaking: Granted, I don't fully understand bookmaking... but when I played the football cards decades ago, a new set of odds came out at least twice per day, sometimes more often, based on the last period's betting. There were no wagering limits that I knew of; the bookie was good for any bet made and I don't even want to know where the money went or came from:eek2: It may be different for a regulated online shop and if their book can only handle $x, then it should certainly be in their right to limit bets... but they should limit them across the board, not handicap a sharp punter... that is fixing the odds and not fair in my opinion.

Bonus restrictions: It is, imo, any businesses right to offer any or no incentives to any or no customers. But it isn't 'fair'. All customers should receive the same offer as a baseline. Special offers for individuals would be acceptable, but not regions or nations. Nor should regions or nations be precluded from 'baseline' offers. If Nigerians represent a significant percentage of frauds, the 'application' process should take this into consideration (with all applicants treated equally) and the administrative costs absorbed or spread out.

Closing accounts due to criticism or simply membership of a forum: This was documented at a cyberbingo.com site - the Corporate spokesperson denied it, chat was later posted that 'proved' the allegation. It isn't known if it is policy, or mid-management brainfart, or CS mistake as they have stopped responding. There were also issues of non-payment so the BPU admin has filed a complaint with the licensing authority in Antigua... but I digress.
I'm of the opinion that any site can serve or not serve whomever they please. But it should also be common knowledge so that players who disagree can vote with their dollars and expose what they consider an unfair practice wherever and however they choose to.

Being banned from a forum for opposing opinions, rendered respectfully, would indicate a rogue forum to me. Of course it is the moderator's right to control access, but such a forum would be practically useless except as a propoganda tool, or cult setting.
 
Does a restaurant have the right to tell a guest without any reason, you cannot enter and eat here?
Does a shop have the right to tell a customer without any reason, you cannot enter and buy here?
Does a casino have the right to tell the player without any reason, you cannot play here?

Yes, in the US any business can do these things. If they discriminate based on race, creed, religion, or disability there are civil rights laws to remedy it. But in general, as a business owner, I may reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.
 
And how can they decide on which base they discriminated the customer?
What is the difference if you discrimate somebody on race and what if you do it on his face which you do not like?

In Hungary it is different. If you run a business you cannot reject anybody without reason.
 
And how can they decide on which base they discriminated the customer?
What is the difference if you discrimate somebody on race and what if you do it on his face which you do not like?

In Hungary it is different. If you run a business you cannot reject anybody without reason.


If I felt you had discriminated against me because I was disabled there would be one process (americans with disabilities act) if I thought it was because I was white I would contact a lawyer, the american civil liberties union, or the federal civil rights commission and make a complaint... it may or may not go to arbitration or court, but if a judge found merit in my claim, I would sue civilly for damages and a jury would decide based on the evidence. In an extreme case it may be possible that of criminal charges could be filed. And if they recieve any federal funding they could lose that funding. Complicated, but those who may be discriminated against here have access to legal remedies.

Please note I agree with your assertion: Limits should be across the board, not bettor by bettor. But your only remedy may be to place your bets at one of the places Ugaboga suggested that don't limit individuals just because they are sharp or lucky.
 
And how can they decide on which base they discriminated the customer?
What is the difference if you discrimate somebody on race and what if you do it on his face which you do not like?

In Hungary it is different. If you run a business you cannot reject anybody without reason.
You have stated this once before without backing it up with any references. Would you please respond to my questions at https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...ed-my-betting-imit.21115/?highlight=insurance
 
i understand what you mean. but if there are 99 10 bettors and 1 20,000 bettor, and he/she puts 20,000 on a horse at 10/1, and the bookmaker cuts the price to 6/1, is it fair that all the 10 punters have to take this price? if you limit the big staking bettor, then he has 20,000 at 10/1 and the 10 bettors can get their money on at 10/1 so everyone is happy.

Again this is totally different. They are limiting the punter on ALL markets. Not on one specific event. They are simplying doing this because he is winning. This is far from honourable bookmaking.

Bet365 is known for these cheap tactics, please read player reviews here:
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Let's look at some examples from the above link:

After losing over $4,000 to them, they cut my limits from $750 down to a maximum of $37.50 (95% decrease in limits) depriving me of any chance of winning my money back. I have read several reviews that Bet365 cuts limits if you are winning too much but I have NEVER heard of any sportsbook TAKING YOUR MONEY and then cutting your limits by 95%. There is no justification for what Bet365 did and when I emailed them about it, I got a response back 3 days later saying the trading manager thought my business wasn't going to be profitable in the future.

If you did the above in any Australian licensed jurisdiction, you'd be in big problems with the gaming commission.... It's simply not right. I don't know how anyone can argue for the bookmaker.

These guys do whatever they want. You lose to them and they are happy - you win a couple of times and they close your account. I expect a lot more than that from an A+ site like Bet365. They in fact do not close your account they simply reduce you bet limit to $5 which has the same effect.

Anyway, please read the link above as you will find many similar reviews of their activities.

Kaszino is not the first person. (Btw, I had also experienced the same at Bet365 in 2003 before moving elsewhere)

Now I have been involved in traditional bookmaking in Australia, legislated in NSW. The same limit on all events applies to everyone. You cannot selectively target one person, because he is winning. You would find the same regulation when dealing with all Australian bookmakers. I think all jurisdictions should have similar regulation. If someone is able to beat the book, good on him, he shouldn't be punished because of this and have eventually have nowhere to play.
 
Concerning online bingo, I have always wondered how the sites can offer such huge sign on bonuses for "first time depositors", accept their deposits without question and then in the event of this winner requesting a cashout, their accounts are frozen and sometimes closed due to "bonus abuse/duplicate accounts" sometimes falling under a "risk management " reasoning.

The sites accept very little information for membership. Few, if any, require any of the information you use to fund with as "conditions of acceptance for membership". This information is all taken AFTER you obtain membership as you attempt to or do deposit. Then , in the case of a win leading to a withdrawal request the sites are requesting even MORE information such as copies of elec. bills, passports, bank account numbers etc. (according to solid documentation I have read).

In my opinion only , it seems the sites are using the "risk management & bonus abuse" rules to their advantage. If they were to screen new players , take their funding information and check their ip's FIRST, there would not be any reason to close accounts with monies being owed or to close accounts they deem "duplicate". There are many who never heard a word about duplicate accounts the entire time they were depositing, but ONLY after they request a withdrawal.

I believe what it all boils down to is that online players are getting more educated about how the game is run and why. This in turn, brings these players to ask questions and the industry does not like being questioned. I cannot help but look at this online gambling as a choice thing. If one decides they have no problem with the rules, by all means PLAY... but if you do have a problem with the rules, you should not be punished by speaking out about it.

I also feel the actions of closing an account because a player posted on a public forum is using that player as an example to other players who may be considering posting their thoughts or issues. Yes they can do it, but I just do not agree with it. (with due respect to everyone's opinions). I also believe that any issues concerning complaints at ANY online gambling site would never hit the public forums, if the management of said sites would strive or at least attempt to accomodate the players questions and/or issues.
 
Wouldn't that smack of censorship? Certainly it's the forum owner/moderator's right to control access - but fairness dictates that opposing opinions, respectfully rendered should be tolerated if not encouraged.... Or else we have virtual danny's forum:eek2:

LOL. Well, you are stopping someone from posting their opinion in one specific place. But it doesn't stop them from posting it somewhere else on the web, just not on your property.

You can't go writing what you think on someone else's shop window in town - so is that censorship?

It makes me laugh when people go off to other forums squealing that they are being "censored" when they are kicked off a message board. Ninety nine times out of a hundred they were kicked for the way they presented their opinion, flaming or general disrespect for someone else. That's not censorship, thats sense-or-ship! I wouldn't kick someone off my own forum (I dont actually have one by the way) for stating an opinion (unless it was really offensive), providing it was presented in a respectful way to me as the owner of said forum and to it's other posters and readers.

So no it's not censorship IMO.

Regarding the OP, yes it is discriminatory, no it's not censorship, and IMO, yes they are quite within their rights to do that - and they should be allowed to discriminate because there are viable alternatives available for the unwanted customers.
 
I see Sissy's point that closing an account for speaking out could seem like a fear tactic, 'look what we did here, keep your mouth shut or else..' I also think it is an indication of rogue behavior, or at least it makes my ears stand up and my eyes open. It is with in a businesses right to close an account for any or no reason; but they should be forthright about it after the fact.

That's not censorship, thats sense-or-ship!
Excellent, I love it!

And I agree, Simmo, it is a forum owners complete right to ban or limit or restrict access; it's their forum. But were I to be banned from here simply for not agreeing with some of Bryan's positions, it would be a matter of good riddance both ways. I've never seen him do any such thing - but if he chose to it would certainly be well within his rights. And I wouldn't harbor any ill will :) We both know he could, in all good conscience, ban me at any time for some of my past behaviors and no one would slight him for it. I sure wouldn't.

One reason I enjoy and respect this forum so much is that healthy, respectful debate is not quashed, but encouraged, and there are no signs up saying, 'just don't disagree with a moderator' or someone whoes been around longer than you:)
 
i don't agree with discrimination.

but i do recognize businesses' rights to protect themselves by refusing certain customers.

i think it should be black and white. either they let you play with all the rights of any player, or they ban you outright. none of this "not allowed to collect bonus" or "wagering increased for a,b,c countries" or "players from a must play in the currency of a".

imagine the prices for an all-you-can-eat buffet were proportional to the diner's weight. not fair at all.

or if you were allowed to enter the theatre, but you had to sit in the negro section and pay twice as much to get in. just not fair.

i think businesses should be allowed to exclude anyone because they are a real or perceived threat, either to the business itself or to the people on the premises.

what's not right is if the arbiter of the business would exclude a person or view them as threatening due to some biological or regional characteristic, or to inflict any special penalties on such people.

hope i said that clearly. i don't want to start rambling. :thumbsup:
 
What I'd like to know is, what have the Israelites and Danes figured out that the rest of the world hasn't? Have they cracked the roulette RNG and are cashing in with multiple accounts by printing up fake ID's and utility bills?

Or is the problem that there are not enough IP addresses to go around, thus making it look like multiple players are coming from the same IP address?

The fewer gray areas to a gambling site's rules and actions, the better. I respect the right of any business to refuse customers as long as it follows documented procedures... but reducing someone's betting limits to prevent them from breaking even would be a big no-no.
 
What I'd like to know is, what have the Israelites and Danes figured out that the rest of the world hasn't? Have they cracked the roulette RNG and are cashing in with multiple accounts by printing up fake ID's and utility bills?
During the golden age of bonus hunting there was a programme on Danish TV that explained how to make money off the online casinos, and the casinos were hit pretty badly.

If you search for Israel and fraud here, you will find some examples, a lot more than you would expect just based on the population of the country.
 
program airs on tv, then all danes are earmarked and banned.

website goes up promoting whoring, and the casino actually pays the host for the advertising.

they want players from whoreywhorewhore.com and will pay the site to get them traffic. but they don't want players who watch danish public tv, players that the casino doesn't have to pay any affiliate for getting.

the tv show gave free advertising when it aired, but only to those watching and thus inspired a low relative number of people. the whoring sites give step-by-step instructions to anyone visiting the site anytime, and the casinos need to pay out every time people are referred there from the whoring site. yet the casino approves of whoring sites but won't let anyone from the country airing the tv show partake. unfair and dumb.

:thumbsup:
 
Very interesting thread.

Regarding limits in casinos or sportsbooks, I think that it is unfair to severely limit some players and not others. (I cant understand why they would want to do this as any wager has a built in profit for the casino???)

And as for banning people because they are members of a forum, well thats justs just a sign of a rogue operator IMO.
 
Does a restaurant have the right to tell a guest without any reason, you cannot enter and eat here?
Does a shop have the right to tell a customer without any reason, you cannot enter and buy here?
Does a casino have the right to tell the player without any reason, you cannot play here?

They CAN do this, but customers have the right to challenge this later. Because of abuse of this system, which was to allow businesses to control problems on their premises, the remedies can be quite severe and the burden of proof is on the BUSINESS to prove that there were valid grounds related to protection of the premesis, public order, etc.
The abuses were that some places had a secret "no blacks" type of policy, and they would turn away black people, or indeed any minority group they didn't like, but didn't have to say why at the time. Eventually, groups discriminated against figured out the bans were based merely on race, religion, etc rather than valid criteria, and took action through the courts and parliament. Because of this, anti-discrimination laws were considerably strengthened, and rather than the complainant having to prove they were discriminated against because of race, religion, gender, etc, it is now up to the business to PROVE the grounds for discrimination were OTHER than this, and were reasonable at the time they were applied.
Online casinos have it easy, they can discriminate on ANY grounds, and can even allow someone access and "mug them" when the leave. Because of the nature of online businesses, it is far harder to take legal action and sue for damages.
If online casinos were subject to the same anti-discrimination laws as land establishments they would tighten up entry procedures, and ensure they had enough information at the outset to decide whether an individual was a risk to the business, they would certainly not just ban whole races or regions.
The law also covers indirect discrimination, this means it is not allowed to create criteria which are far harder for one ethnic group to comply with than another without VERY good reason.

If a Nigerian walked into a London casino, and was told he coudn't play simply for being Nigerian, there would be hell to pay for the casino operators, but online casinos do this all the time for various regions.

As for that Danish TV program, this looks like a bogus reason. It was quite some time ago, and bonus rules have been changed such that the methods would not work now. There are far better bonus abuse methods on the internet, and this is available to the whole world, but we don't see the whole world being banned because of this.
There are clever players the world over, not just the Danes or the Fins. casinos already have methods to deal with this on an individual basis, and so don't need to ban whole countries.
Playtech have gone a step further, by banning certain ethnic groups at the software level, this would be ripped to shreds by a European court (not that Playtech would want to be in that juristiction - share listing does not count), as such customers DON'T have the option to get a better deal at a different Playtech outlet. In the US this would come under anti-trust laws, and the same applies in the EU, just the legal procedures are different. Microsoft sought to prevent PC users being able to access competing software, and were told that because they had a near monopoly with the OS, they had to allow proper access to "secrets" such that competing brands of browsers, media players, office software, etc could design their products with the same ability to work seamlessly with Windows as their own products do (This is a LEGAL definition, but we all know this means that competing companies must have the same access to the ability to screw up your PC as Microsoft does with it's own products).

Casinos that register for EU regulation may find their policies in this regard face legal challenges once online gambling is seen as more mainstream. There are a few pressure groups that make pre-emptive complaints even before consumers realise they are facing illegal discrimination.
 
Great discussion! In my own experience, I have not had a problem with being banned for any reason from an online bingo. They will ban you from a site for chat that puts down the site. I dont blame them. If you are runnig an online bingo and someone has a problem with you, it should be handled through support. When a player goes into the players chat and rants about how they have been done wrong, I think the site has every reason to ban them. Personally when I am trying to enjoy a bingo game, the last thing I want to read in chat is a person going on and on about the sites shortcomings. I really do not believe they ban for posting in a forum, but they do ban for going on in their own chatroom. I watch the forums for what people think of a site, and take the information and decide for myself. Once they post in a sites chat, I dismiss them as a disgruntled player who has probably abused the rules and regs of the site and need a lot more offering of proof that the site is in the wrong. Just my opinion, but I have played online bingo since 1995 or so, and I have been around the block more than once.
 

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