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WARNING Del Oro is confiscating player balances without justification

maxd

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We’ve had a tough time with Del Oro Casino since they joined Casinomeister late last year. Their rep at the time — later disavowed as someone who didn’t know what they were doing — ignored the Forum Rules, solicited players from restricted countries, handed out bonuses without any reference to the applicable Terms or Conditions, ignored the Casinomeister staff, pretended to not understand “this forum” when it suited them and sucked up more of our time and attention than any rep or casino in living memory. That’s not even mentioning their use of shills within hours of joining the forums and their repeated false denials of having done so until they finally saw they had little choice and admitted it.

In the middle of December we received a PAB wherein a player’s balance — including winnings of £12k+ — was confiscated on accusations of “fraud”. We tried to investigate, including gathering supporting evidence from the casino, which kicked off an exhausting month of chasing them time and time again for the necessary evidence to prove their accusations. Three or four times we had to go back to them asking for the same thing, and over and over they give something else, made excuses for “not understanding”, later claiming they thought it was “a discussion not a complaint investigation” — whatever that was supposed to mean — and so forth. Same old same ‘o with those guys: a million excuses for never following the rules and constantly trying to misdirect or hide from a straight question.

Later in the process the original rep was replaced by some unnamed person at the casino who obviously knew better what they were talking about … sort of. After repeating their claims against the player several times it turned out the charges of “fraud” were bogus too: the player had incorrectly received a double bonus deposit at a sister casino to Del Oro and after some game play withdrew it. The withdrawal proceeded without event and somehow that was the “fraud" the player had committed: the casino confiscated the £12000+ winnings instead of simply reclaiming a £250 over-payment on the bonus.

Warning: Del Oro is managed by staff that are truth-challenged and very creative with their excuses for doing what benefits themselves. In the end this amounts to a massive time suck of trying to deal honestly with people who will do anything but. Players are advised to take their casino action elsewhere.

UPDATE:
It has been suggested that perhaps Del Oro wasn’t given an opportunity to resolve the player’s issue once we had become involved. From the 17th of December until the 25th of January we worked on gathering evidence and input from the relevant parties. At that point it was clear that there was nothing more forthcoming and I proposed a settlement of 50/50: the player looses 50% of their winnings for taking money from the casino that wasn’t theirs to receive, and the casino pays the player 50% of the winnings because much of the problem created was their responsibility AND their justification for confiscation was unsupportable.

The player agreed to the 50% proposal, reluctantly, but the casino chose to not respond until about 40 minutes ago — long after the deadline to respond expired — when they proposed that the player was like a hacker who broke into their company and stole their money. “Is the hacker deserving of 50% of their stealings because the hack shouldn't have happened?” they asked. As ever they are somehow the innocent victim of dark forces at work against them. Utter nonsense, and if we felt we needed any further verification of our actions against Del Oro this would remove any such doubts.
 
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If something seems to good too be true then it usually is too good to be true,although a few members did benefit.

This may be an indication of the possible pitfalls Casinomeister could go down with the new model that the new owners envisage.
Opening itself up to dodgy casinos taking advantage of both the site and its members. Not to mention the endless hard work and headaches for the staff of the site.
I will stick to my limited casino's until any new site proves themselves
 
I could go on a rant, but ill narrow it down:

"avoid at all costs"
 
This may be an indication of the possible pitfalls Casinomeister could go down with the new model that the new owners envisage.
see it positive mate, the fun comes back from back in the days. With operators who have zero clue what they are doing. Operators who hate any player that wins and try to find a term to make it applicable to confiscate funds. Operators who are in it for "the money" - not with the aim to provide entertainment, proper service and fair terms.
 
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Photos taken seconds before disaster
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They were certainly time burglars and thought CM was some kind of personal fiefdom once on board. It was like herding cats for us!

Their true colours shone through in the end. :rolleyes:
 
see it positive mate, the fun comes back from back in the days. With operators who have zero clue what they are doing. Operators who hate any player that wins and try to find a term to make it applicable to confiscate funds. Operators who are in it for "the money" - not with the aim to provide entertainment, proper service and fair terms.
Yours was a voice from the start trying to warn about the man from delmio and you seemed quite restrained.
I'm off to hammer one of your casinos so I will come back to ask you to flush my huge win later :P
 
bonjour a tous, je suis meme au début des poursuites contre ce casino pour escroquerie et abus de faiblesse.une seule chose a vous dire d'eviter ce casino et heats casino c'est la meme chose.
 
bonjour a tous, je suis meme au début des poursuites contre ce casino pour escroquerie et abus de faiblesse.une seule chose a vous dire d'eviter ce casino et heats casino c'est la meme chose.
I would suggest that you contact your french version of the UKGC. Good luck
 
a lot of mystery around this fraudulent casino... Unfortunately, there will always be victims as long as this casino operates. the address mentioned corresponds to a hotel in Costa Rica🙈
 

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beaucoup de mystère autour de ce casino frauduleux...
Malheureusement, il y aura toujours des victimes tant que ce casino fonctionnera.
the address mentioned corresponds to a hotel in Costa Rica 🙈
It is expected that you post in this forum in English. Thanks for your rely and I hope that you get something back Damien
 
I would suggest that you contact your french version of the UKGC. Good luck

Funny sidenote: let's say I was scammed by one of these casinos and complained about that to the Belgian GC they would simply put that casino on the blacklist and they have the option to give me a fine for playing at a casino without Belgian license.

I don't know how the French GC works tho.
 
It is our pleasure to defend ourselves to the public so people can make the decision on who is actually right. Seems there might be a personal vendetta since the accidental early mistake on the forum.

To start off, someone made a comment about being “too good to be true”. Let’s discuss this.

*snip* [pointless self-aggrandisement removed]

Now let’s discuss this baseless defamation:

*snip* [ranting against Casinomeister staff removed]

[maxd says: If you want to defend yourself stick to facts, make it brief and defend yourself. Don’t make it an advertising opportunity for your casino and a shameless attempt to defame Casinomeister staff on our own site. Perhaps like your employees you’ve forgotten to read the Forum Rules.

Also, that “accidental earlier mistake” was an endless exercise in chasing one of your employees around our site as they broke every rule in the book — repeatedly — lied through their teeth whenever it suited them and wasted a ginormous amount of the Casinomeister’s staff time and effort. We’re all relieved to see you tossed to the curb so don’t try and make this into some “Max the bad guy with a vendetta” nonsense.]
 
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So the player deposited a certain amount lets say $250 was supposed to get a $250 bonus but instead got a $500 bonus? Something like that?

Since the casino is a parchute casino. The only reason for confiscation would be if they dipped into the 2nd set of bonus funds that werent supposed to be issued.

Im going to assume thats not the case.... which means this is pretty scummy.

if a casino has an issue paying out a measily 12k...that casino should not be operating.
 
Funny sidenote: let's say I was scammed by one of these casinos and complained about that to the Belgian GC they would simply put that casino on the blacklist and they have the option to give me a fine for playing at a casino without Belgian license.

I don't know how the French GC works tho.
hello, I am also from Belgium and I have never heard that you could get a fine from the CJH.
So which casino are you playing at now? 🤔
 
Funny sidenote: let's say I was scammed by one of these casinos and complained about that to the Belgian GC they would simply put that casino on the blacklist and they have the option to give me a fine for playing at a casino without Belgian license.

I don't know how the French GC works tho.
As far as France is concerned, the Casino del Oro has been added to the black list. Online casinos banned in France The table below shows you the list of illegal gaming sites that do not have ANJ (National Online Gaming Authority) approval. These gaming sites are prohibited in France and you will therefore not be able to have any recourse to the ANJ in the event of a problem such as cheating, theft of personal and banking data, and non-payment of winnings. Furthermore, on illegal sites players do not benefit from the protections and voluntary ban mechanism provided by law.
The Casino del Oro continues to welcome
French people using a VPN, unfortunately in the event of a problem they will not be able to do anything 🤷‍♂️
 

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hello, I am also from Belgium and I have never heard that you could get a fine from the CJH.
So which casino are you playing at now? 🤔
Check Article 4 §2. All the legal stuff starts from Article 15.

I only play at Belgian licensed casinos, mainly Ladbrokes and Starcasino these days. But since most of the casinos started dropping RTP I've mostly been playing Evolution's (live) Videopoker and Ultimate Texas Hold'em.
 
hello, I am also from Belgium and I have never heard that you could get a fine from the CJH.
So which casino are you playing at now? 🤔

Yes, it's a punishable practice. They have strict player rules with a fine of up to €25K if you knowingly gamble on illegal sites.

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Just want to thank the CM staff for seeing this out for me and although the casino aren't co-operating, at least other members are now aware of the practises of DelOro and HeatsCasino.

I must point out they are both sister sites, despite, their own rep claiming they have nothing to do with each other. (Blatant lie)

So, in my view, a warning for one, is actually a warning for both.

Unfortunately, DelOro were unable to admit any responsibility for their failings throughout the case, but we move on.

UK players - My advice, stick to UKGC casinos. You'll always get your winnings.
 
Yes, it's a punishable practice. They have strict player rules with a fine of up to €25K if you knowingly gamble on illegal sites.

More info:
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It has to be said I've never heard of a player being fined for playing on an "illegal" site.

This is some interesting research about gambling in Belgium:

The Belgian Gaming Commission is quite useless. I've raised some complaints with them in the past and they have either never gotten back to me or would "investigate" but there has never been a resolution.
 
UK players - My advice, stick to UKGC casinos. You'll always get your winnings.
you mean like All British, where even with a 94% RTP you can still be in profit with thousands of spins? If so, yeah you are right :)
 
Just want to thank the CM staff for seeing this out for me and although the casino aren't co-operating, at least other members are now aware of the practises of DelOro and HeatsCasino.

I must point out they are both sister sites, despite, their own rep claiming they have nothing to do with each other. (Blatant lie)

So, in my view, a warning for one, is actually a warning for both.

Unfortunately, DelOro were unable to admit any responsibility for their failings throughout the case, but we move on.

UK players - My advice, stick to UKGC casinos. You'll always get your winnings.
Just to add:

On top of this, I requested that the casino provided me with a transactional list of all my deposits and withdrawals. Over a month has passed, I still have not received It.

Apparently, I am not entitled to this information about my account.
 
Just to add:

On top of this, I requested that the casino provided me with a transactional list of all my deposits and withdrawals. Over a month has passed, I still have not received It.

Apparently, I am not entitled to this information about my account.
you can check your self every transaction, not play much on Del some small deposit I made, but I did cashout more then I deposit,
P.S. you can also check all transaction you bet
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Please allow this last message to go through and this will be our final message to the public

It is our pleasure to defend ourselves to the public so people can make the decision on who is actually right. Seems there might be a personal vendetta since the accidental early mistake on the forum.


Let’s start off with a very closely related hypothetical to the public:

When casinos give bonuses to enhance user experience and 99% of players redeem the bonus properly and have fun - but- 1% of players abuse the bonus and goes against their terms and conditions and wins money.

Is the casino at fault for giving the player the bonus when the player abuses the bonus?

Or is the person at fault for abusing the bonus?

Should the casino allow the player to withdraw the funds after they abused the bonus?

*snip* [unfounded speculation about how Casinomeister’s process is out of step with the rest of the industry]

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Now we can discuss some details of the case:

The user had a bank delay in a deposit which can happen throughout Europe depending on the time of day and bank - it is random.

We process a lot of money throughout the world in both deposits and withdrawals - our finance team has knowledge of every bank and knows when funding an account is a viable option.

Our finance team took the liberty to enhance the player’s experience and instead of him waiting for the bank delay - we would credit his account and remove the funds when the funds were processed so the user didn’t have to wait.

We have done this to many players and just like in the bonus example, 99% of people love and appreciate it and 1% are bad apples.

This user received the funds we gave him and then shortly after, he received his deposit that was delayed.

This user placed a few (much smaller than usual) bets and then closed a large bonus so he can withdraw both his deposit and the one we funded him.

He never came into the casino after that and we marked his name down on a blacklist.

Then this player deposited on Del Oro Casino and won money and because he was on a blacklist we closed his account.

*snip* [more speculation about how Casinomeister’s process is out of step with the rest of the industry]
 
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Not once have Del Oro they admitted an error.

YOU put more money in the player’s account than he was entitled to.
YOU allowed him to withdraw that money.
YOU allowed him into another of your casinos.
YOU allowed him to play and win there.

You are therefore responsible at least 50%, for the series of errors and mistakes. Truth is a bit of a problem for DelOro. Hence, the reason CasinoMeister's decision.

At least now, everyone can see how you run your casino.
 
So they let you have the deposit that you deposited even though it didn't "clear" straightway. So they added the deposit manually so you could play with it.

Then the actual deposit came through and you withdrew it (with whatever funds you had from the manual added deposit?)

Well, to be fair to them. You should have probably realised that's kind of unfair to them.

Now to confiscate the rest of the winnings at the other casino because of it? Seems very harsh, but a % might have been in order. IMO.
 
So they let you have the deposit that you deposited even though it didn't "clear" straightway. So they added the deposit manually so you could play with it.

Then the actual deposit came through and you withdrew it (with whatever funds you had from the manual added deposit?)

Well, to be fair to them. You should have probably realised that's kind of unfair to them.

Now to confiscate the rest of the winnings at the other casino because of it? Seems very harsh, but a % might have been in order. IMO.
Kind of. However, I was unaware of the double deposit until the investigation. Only now am I aware of the casinos operations.

There were multiple failings by Del Oro, but they like to pass the blame onto someone else.

The rep has also contradicted themselves in their post and they say they would deposit manually and then remove the funds. So, why didn't the remove the funds? They had ample opportunity. All I did was withdraw my available balance at the time.

CM ruled in my favour and the casino was trying to accuse me of fraud, which is also incorrect.
 
… Now to confiscate the rest of the winnings at the other casino because of it? Seems very harsh, but a % might have been in order. IMO.
As mentioned earlier, our settlement proposal was 50/50. DelOro had several days and never bothered to reply to that until after the time limit had run out and the Warning was posted. Somehow that got their attention.

- Max
 
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I've heard of several people having issues one of which the balance vanished and history said withdrawn by admin! Farce this casino avoid at all costs........del oro no moro. Alot more safer sites out there where your treated as a valued customer for you to win and lose and not have to worry about getting your money. I am swayed more to none u.k because of the sow nonsense and letting you do 1k-2k then asking for documents which I don't agree with. None u.k never had this. Yet to find a concrete safe none u.k site. Don't be fooled by del oros made up wagering competition if you do have a balance because it's fake and they don't pay your prize. Just a plause to get you to do your brains and if you win you don't get paid and if you lose you don't get paid. Steer clear. You would think for the sake of literally destroying his own brand little jon at del oro would have paid this out
 
I've heard of several people having issues one of which the balance vanished and history said withdrawn by admin! Farce this casino avoid at all costs........del oro no moro. Alot more safer sites out there where your treated as a valued customer for you to win and lose and not have to worry about getting your money. I am swayed more to none u.k because of the sow nonsense and letting you do 1k-2k then asking for documents which I don't agree with. None u.k never had this. Yet to find a concrete safe none u.k site. Don't be fooled by del oros made up wagering competition if you do have a balance because it's fake and they don't pay your prize. Just a plause to get you to do your brains and if you win you don't get paid and if you lose you don't get paid. Steer clear. You would think for the sake of literally destroying his own brand little jon at del oro would have paid this out
Just to shoot in here, I did win on their wagering competition, and did withdraw it after.
 
Just to shoot in here, I did win on their wagering competition, and did withdraw it after.
Me too, but they kept changing the goalposts on that, bit too much of a faff to include the in the complaint.
VIP manager saying one date.
Live chat saying another.
Have evidence of it all.
No way to track progress on the website.
Sounds like something a decent, reputable casino would do?
 
Hey all, this will be our last statement and then it is out of our control because unfortunately our future here was predetermined:

"Which term in particular was breached in this case?"

This is stated in section 9.3 of our terms and conditions under "Fraudulent Activity"

And Yes, Max did propose the 50/50 split where we should give him 50%.

Our legal team created section 9.3 after we found out that many players from a specific country found an exploit in a popular payment method where they can get a free casino balance. This was caught after we lost a lot of money and time due to this fraudulent activity. This is why we take this case very seriously.

Whether this user wins 10 GBP or 1000 GBP, he should not and will not get a 50% because he broke our terms of use and withdrew funds that were not subjected to him.

This user had a GREAT relationship with our casino before this - depositing around 4463.53 $ and withdrawing 10838.67 $ and there was never an issue. Feel free to ask him.

But we do not take financial fraud lightly whether we funded him 10 GBP, 100 GBP, or 10,000 GBP it all falls in the same category because if a player would scam with 10 GBP they will do it with 1000 GBP.

Since the beginning, our team came into this forum with so much excitement because our only goal was to interact with this great community. We were on the top of the forum for a while and we had incredible engagement from the great members of this community.

[maxd says: letting the rest of this foolishness stand so that everyone can see for themselves how poor St. Del Oro has been abused by Casinomeister’s vulgar hoard.]

We were always welcomed by the members and never by the forum leaders.

Forum leaders telling us that they are hoping that we "Slip up again" so they can defame us.

They posted this warning stating "Del Oro is confiscating player balances without justification"

This is a fallacy - there is justification. Our justification is that if a player commits financial fraud we are subject to closing their account.

This should be retitled as "Del Oro believes that if a player commits financial fraud they can close your account"

We want to thank everyone in the community - both members and leaders. We will stand with our own values that we keep true to ourselves and to our community.

This was fun while it lasted and definitely an emotional rollercoaster. Everyone is human behind these screens - always important to remember <3
 
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Me too, but they kept changing the goalposts on that, bit too much of a faff to include the in the complaint.
VIP manager saying one date.
Live chat saying another.
Have evidence of it all.
No way to track progress on the website.
Sounds like something a decent, reputable casino would do?
I agree with the tracking, I asked the same thing. I had to email them for updates.
That can definitely be better.

There are tons of things they can do better, like increase their RTP (for some claiming they have RTP when they dont), but going by my personal experience apart from all that. They have paid out and they did also increase my withdrawal limit.

But I'm not in your shoes, and I would be upset too.
 
This is stated in section 9.3 of our terms and conditions under "Fraudulent Activity"
Ok thats a very vague term, especially if the customer is marked as fraud because you don't have your payments processing in order.

Fix your payment processing so that customers are not left with a dodgy bankstatement:

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Ok thats a very vague term, especially if the customer is marked as fraud because you don't have your payments processing in order.

Fix your payment processing so that customers are not left with a dodgy bankstatement:

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Kinda the point I was making.
How can the casinos own errors and mistakes constitute fraud for the player?
Their definition of fraud and probably 99% of CM is very, very different.
There was no fraud whatsoever, they made many errors and are punishing players because of it.
 

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